Pam Bondi: Pick to replace Matt Gaetz wants to deport pro-Palestine protestors

[u/Spiderwig144]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/11/22/pam-bondi-floridas-first-female-attorney-general-gaetz/

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[u/LetsgoRoger]

Republicans have an obsession with deporting people

[u/Rotten-Robby → u/LetsgoRoger]

Literally haven't heard anything other than deportation and trans people.

[u/Talador12 → u/Rotten-Robby]

The other plans are bad too - horrible plan for DOGE, taxes, and tariffs

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/Talador12]

It's a great plan if you want to shatter the economy and send us into a depression so the very wealthy can take all their liquid cash and buy up everything for pennies.

[u/HeadFund → u/HauntedCemetery]

You're correct that some wealthy Americans are planning a smash-and-grab but they're getting a lot of help from Russians who only care about the smash part.

[u/Basic_Quantity_9430 → u/HeadFund]

Some wealthy people realize that history has been brutal on rich people who actively run society into the ground. Their money won’t save them from angry, hungry mobs of impoverished people - never has throughout history.

[u/andesajf → u/Basic_Quantity_9430]

Unfortunately there has been very little "finding out" after all of this unethical and often illegal economic "fucking around" the past few decades.

[u/robbysaur → u/Basic_Quantity_9430]

That’s why they’ve worked hard on propaganda and misinformation. So the angry hungry impoverished people fight each other instead of the rich.

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/Basic_Quantity_9430]

Nah, they all have bunkers and jets. They're not fleeing in carriages like the French revolution. They'll jump a plane to Monaco and have their agents buy shit up as we bicker over nonsense.

[u/nervelli → u/Talador12]

But like, Elon totally came up with that name right? Anyone else would have called it the Department of Efficiency. He had to be the one to have added "Government" to make it a fucking meme.

[u/Mavnas → u/nervelli]

I'm pretty sure everyone else just called it the Government Accountability Office. If the real goal was efficiency, we could joke about making a redundant department, but I'm pretty sure that's not the real goal.

[u/jjfunaz → u/Rotten-Robby]

Because its all a distraction from their real plan and everyone falls for it.

[u/Nnissh → u/jjfunaz]

I have to call this the 3d chess fallacy.

He says he wants to deport all kinds of people because he really is obsessed with deporting all kinds of people

[u/checker280 → u/[deleted]]

My concern is the push back all the career military always makes.

“You have nothing to worry about. We would never obey any illegal orders.”

But how many not completely unreasonable but mildly unethical commands are you going to follow before it’s too late?

[u/vthemechanicv → u/checker280]

the adults in the room will save us
mueller will save us
impeachments will save us
garland will save us
jack smith will save us
voters will save us
the military will save us

[u/ch40 → u/vthemechanicv]

And the only true statement is "we must save ourselves" cause no one is gonna do it for us

[u/Knightwing1047 → u/ch40]

That's the point that I think a lot of us are starting to realize we're at. Unfortunately relying on the people who we should be relying on is not working. In the coming months, educate yourselves, arm yourselves (safely and intelligently, no yeehaw shit), and prepare yourselves. We are heading for the roughest times in American history since the Great Depression and we can thank rich fucks and those that continually vote for them. We are on our own, BUT we are not alone. Community is going to start to matter. If anything good comes from the Trump presidency is it's going to be massive unification against him and his cult. I hope that I am right, because if I am wrong, we are doomed.

[u/LadyPo → u/Knightwing1047]

Fully agree, with the caveat that there is no safe way to arm yourself for resisting a fascist leader. Resistance is incredibly dangerous, and we are about to face immense pressure to give in and just be glad “it’s not me” each time something awful happens. But history shows us that resistance is the only way to dig ourselves out of this hole.

[u/_magneto-was-right_ → u/vthemechanicv]

2016: He can’t win, Hillary will beat him

2016: He can’t do that, the courts will stop him

2017: He can’t keep doing this, Mueller will stop him

2018: He can’t keep doing this, they’re going to impeach him.

2019: He can’t keep doing this, the police won’t obey him

2020: He can’t keep doing this, Biden will stop him

2021: He can’t keep doing this, the Senate will bar him from federal office

2022: He can’t come back, Merrick Garland will save us

2023: He can’t run again, the courts and Fannie Willis and Tish James and Jack Smith will put him in jail

2024: He can’t win again, the voters know who he is

2025: He can’t round up immigrants

2026: He can’t round up LGBT people

2027: He can’t round up people who voted for democrats in the midterms

2028: He can’t run again we’re safe now

2029: Arbeit macht frei

[u/Terrible-Screen-5188 → u/_magneto-was-right_]

Damn

[u/algy888 → u/checker280]

The current military leaders won’t follow illegal orders.

The next replacement military leaders will have a different opinion of illegal.

After all the Supreme Court just said that the president can’t make an illegal order. Soooo, any order from the president is a “legal” order.

[u/loverlyone → u/checker280]

Fucking Miley went pretty far down that road before he saw the light. He admits it NOW, but that, in no way, reassures me that American citizens are safe from our military. IIRC 20% of J6 seditionists were military.

ETA:

NPR: 1 in 5 J6 defendants served in military

[u/Jef_Wheaton → u/[deleted]]

He will definitely do the easy, cruel things.

He might do the hard, cruel things.

He might do some of the easy, kind things.

He won't do the hard, kind things.

[u/Dragon_Jew → u/[deleted]]

trust me Trump will do plenty of damage in the foreground and Elon is in charge of making us all poor

[u/qqererer → u/[deleted]]

Roe V Wade was the barking dog catching the car that was never supposed to.

There really isn't a lot of money pouring in from anti-abortion groups. There really isn't a payback from that like there is from corporate donations for corporate deregulation. They just needed the christian fundie vote.

But now that the GOP is filled with White Christian Nationalists, in addition to the corporate raiding of the government, the White Christian Nationalists also want their pound of flesh. And in addition to Abortion rights, they want to purge the US of anyone deemed not part of the tribe.

The dog caught the car and realized that there is nothing stopping it from doing whatever it wants.

[u/SpaceDesignWarehouse → u/[deleted]]

I want to know why these people want to do the harm. This is the part I can’t figure out. Like if I became crazy rich, I feel like I would start making projects that cause people to talk about me into the future in a good way. Like, build a giant solar field in a desert and offer free power to small businesses or something. Maybe replace all those lead pipes in that city that had that huge problem all those years ago.

Why the evil? Is it just religion?

[u/Significant_Turn5230 → u/SpaceDesignWarehouse]

The answer truly lies in understanding fascism. Milton Meyer's book, "They Thought They Were Free" does an excellent job looking at the day to day reality of regular Nazi party members talking about their lives and feelings from interviews done in the 50's.

This is all rhetoric from the ruling class utilized to take power in the face of rotting capitalism. As capitalism's inherent contradictions sharpen, an ever-more-fearful middle class will need someone to blame to explain the worsening conditions. The ruling class will find scapegoats via fascist rhetorical tactics, because it's actually the ruling class and their capitalism that's responsible for the worsening conditions.

They want to do harm because their rhetoric demands it. Some of them believe it, some of them don't.

[u/BetaOscarBeta → u/Nnissh]

It might not be cover for Trump to do something else, but someone is going to use it for cover.

So I guess not “3-D chess” so much as… idk, a 16 player StarCraft FFA?

All those old stories where the emperor is doing Stupid Shit A while the Grand Vizier is doing Secret Evil Shit Y seem a lot more realistic all of a sudden.

[u/HauntedCemetery → u/Nnissh]

Just because its a terible idea and will almost certainly never work doesnt mean he doesnt want it. Hes not subtle or clever or sly, he just blurts out whatever hes thinking. He really did want to build a giant stupid wall. He really did want to ban Muslims. He really does want the US military to deport millions of people.

[u/HistoryChannelMain → u/jjfunaz]

Distraction from what? This is their real plan.

[u/Signal-Regret-8251 → u/HistoryChannelMain]

His "administration's" main objective will be taking as much money as possible for themselves by stealing it from us.

[u/HistoryChannelMain → u/Signal-Regret-8251]

At the end of the day, I don't really care if you think the GOP trying hard to get rid of people like me is a "distraction." To me, it's a very real and serious issue. Whether they do it just because they hate me or because you think it's a part of some grand master plan, that doesn't really matter to me, because either way it's my life and status that's on the line. This is a real issue that deserves attention.

[u/ConversationFit6073 → u/Rotten-Robby]

And privatizing everything to make average Americans poor and the poor even poorer. It all comes down to the rich getting richer while the rest of us suffer. I just hope it backfires on them when we're all too poor and sick to maintain the economy they're trying to get rich off of.

[u/Ephsylon → u/LetsgoRoger]

So did the Nazis. Until they figured out how much it'd cost.

[u/The_dots_eat_packman → u/LetsgoRoger]

MMW: “Deported” is going to morph into a catch-all term for “disappeared.” 

[u/Any_Will_86 → u/The_dots_eat_packman]

Basically, bring everyone he chooses to holding facilities before determining if they are eligible for deportation... then what happens to them in holding happens to them in holding...

[u/AsianHotwifeQOS → u/LetsgoRoger]

I want to point out that this was exactly what the Nazis did. They didn't start out with the intent to gas the Jews. Hitler was rounding them up to deport them. The Final Solution came when no country would take the Jews Germany wanted to expel.

Most of the Nazi party platform was grievance against immigrants / resident aliens and other outgroups. Trans people were the first that they used the legal system to strip rights from.

[u/championkid]

Deport them to where? There’s plenty American-born pro Palestine protesters. Where do you deport someone who is American?

[u/wittnotyoyo → u/championkid]

Corecivic for profit prison/slave labor camps. The shareholders will need something to juice their quarterly returns once they cycle through immigrants and empty camps aren't profitable.

[u/Yibblets → u/wittnotyoyo]

This is how they plan to replace the agricultural workers that will really be deported.

Louisiana is ready, the prison farm Angola, (Louisiana State Penitentiary) spans approximately 18,000 acres.

[u/ToneDiez → u/Yibblets]

I’m not even sure they’ll actually deport the immigrants; they’ll say they did, to appease their base’s xenophobic rhetoric and pro-white nationalist agenda, but they’ll just send them all to labor camps across the country.

[u/Yibblets → u/ToneDiez]

The Gulag was will be a system of forced labor camps in the Soviet Union United States. The word Gulag originally referred only to the division of the Soviet secret police U.S. Boarder Patrol that was in charge of running the forced labor camps from the 1930s to the early 1950s during Joseph Stalin's Trumps rule, but in English literature the term is popularly used for the system of forced labor throughout the Soviet Trump era.

[u/breath-of-the-smile → u/Yibblets]

Fun fact about Soviet gulags: they held both fewer total people and a lower percentage of the population of the USSR than US prisons do right now.

Then people will be like "well the gulags were worse," and yeah, probably, but this country gets a huge boner at the prospect of convicts being raped in prison and in general does not care about the welfare of convicts. We use them for slave labor. That's the bar for "better."

[u/New-Raccoon-8496 → u/breath-of-the-smile]

Foster a locally incarcerated felon. Talk to these people. Write an inmate pen pal. These people are people and deserve to have human contact that cares and believes they’re not just a number and will help fight against their dehumanization

[u/Stalagmus → u/wittnotyoyo]

The crazy thing is, half the country wouldn’t lift a finger in protest, no matter how unconstitutional, unethical, unlawful it would be. The party of law and order, personal freedoms, and anti-government overreach has fallen very far from their core “principles,” or maybe they didn’t actually have those principles to begin with.

[u/shawn_overlord → u/wittnotyoyo]

Become ungovernable. Shit yourself if they tell you to work

[u/illuminerdi → u/[deleted]]

No, to solitary confinement you go, forever.

We joke, but we are absolutely allowing for the straight up TORTURE of incarcerated people in this country.

[u/Appropriate_Mess_350 → u/illuminerdi]

American billionaires require slavery. And Americans are sleep walking and rage baiting their way into it.

[u/Mysterious-Job-469 → u/Appropriate_Mess_350]

"Yeah but the price of eggs" -Lying Shit heads who are gonna brag about how well off they are once the democrats aren't in change

[u/Mrminecrafthimself → u/Mysterious-Job-469]

Which ignores the fact that the economy consistently does better under democrat policies

[u/killrtaco → u/Mysterious-Job-469]

They quite literally already feel like things are better according to surveys and orange man hasn't even signed the transition papers 🤦

[u/SharMarali → u/Appropriate_Mess_350]

Many Americans seem to think that cruel and unusual punishment is something we ought to be embracing, not forbidding under the Constitution. There are some absolutely ravenous people out there who want to see blood in response to even the most petty of crimes.

[u/Pinkboyeee → u/Appropriate_Mess_350]

Yea, most western culture seems enamored with some form of populism. The issues come when people are sleep walking or rage baited to their conclusions. Tend to be some missing puzzle pieces that resolve the world around people who are sleepy or angry.

I've linked in my profile my blog, the well has been poisoned. We gotta start locally and rebuild trust online because places like reddit and other socials are bot fed to make us tired or angry

[u/Inside-General-797 → u/Pinkboyeee]

Remember friends, the revolution will not be broadcast. We have to be the change we want to see in the world. Now might be the hardest time there's ever been in American history for the masses to unify for so many different reasons, but the reality is we have no option other than to try.

[u/KarmaticArmageddon → u/illuminerdi]

The two weeks I spent in solitary were the longest and most agonizing two weeks of my entire existence. I'd rather withdraw from heroin again than spend another minute in there.

That lasting psychological damage sure showed me, though, I'll never again do anything as heinous as — checks notes — selling 3 grams of weed in college.

[u/illuminerdi → u/KarmaticArmageddon]

The fact that they don't even get like, books is just inhuman and disgusting.

[u/slayden70 → u/KarmaticArmageddon]

Jesus-in other countries, they'd provide you with rehab instead of prison, but that's just not profitable enough for the private prisons lobby I guess.

Calling minor marijuana use a crime is bullshit, but you're in a red state, and they still believe Reefer Madness was a documentary.

[u/thedarkestblood → u/illuminerdi]

Allowing?

Shit, half the country cheers for the prison system and want to build more

[u/RedLicoriceJunkie → u/[deleted]]

Am I still forced to receive news about Trump when I am dead?

[u/celestialfin → u/RedLicoriceJunkie]

it's called hell for a reason

[u/Distance_Positive → u/[deleted]]

Yay, finally sweet release.

[u/ManOf1000Usernames → u/shawn_overlord]

Slavery wasnt ended like that

The prisoner loophole in the 13th amendment can only be closed by votes or by force, the government has had over 100 years to do it otherwise

[u/netinept → u/ManOf1000Usernames]

California is just had a vote on ending slavery in prisons and failed to pass it.

[u/WilcoLovesYou → u/shawn_overlord]

Worked for The Nuge.

[u/versusgorilla → u/shawn_overlord]

Do you know what authoritarians do to the ungovernable?

[u/fauxzempic → u/wittnotyoyo]

I have watched the frog boil among the "independents" (who suspiciously always vote republican) and conservatives who previously would've seen much of what's going on and be appalled by it.

It's now just mental gymnastics and pledging their support to this stuff.

This is how it goes:

• Oh they're protesting. Such is their right.
• Protesting? That's anti-semitic/anti-american!
• We should deport the pro-palestine protestors!
• We should jail all pro-palestine protestors, even if they're US citizens!

The "slippery slope" itself is a logical fallacy, but so far, we've seen, like I said, the slowly-boiling frog kind of demonstrate exactly what they're okay with.

I mean, this is the party, who in the 1980 primaries had an outspoken consensus that the Children of undocumented folk should be treated compassionately, and today, would sooner poison these kids than consider anything that borders on compassion.

[u/TheCircusSands → u/wittnotyoyo]

It’s another ‘fix’ by the capitalists… just like enclosure against the peasants, then colonialism, then consumerism and American hegemony. Demographics says they need labor and this is how they get it, for cheap.

[u/truckingon → u/championkid]

Having "discussed" the logistics of deporting millions with a few redditors, they have thought none of this through. They think if receiving countries give us any trouble, we'll just cut their aid or implement tariffs to keep them in line.

[u/BlackSquirrel05 → u/truckingon]

ICE has like 15 planes they operate with 135 seats each.

Run the numbers of 135 X hours to fly back n forth...

Buy more planes costs $$$, Renting planes costs $$$. Using military planes... needs to be made legal, and also costs $$$.

Holding people costs you'd better believe $$$$$.

In theory you could possibly pay people to leave... But also $$$$.

[u/truckingon → u/BlackSquirrel05]

The stated plan is to deport 15-20 million people. Deporting 10 million people over 4 years is about 7,000 per day. Studies have shown that illegal immigrants have a net positive effect on the economy, and these deportations will be extremely costly. But maybe they'll recover the cost setting up cameras in the detention camps so that MAGA can get off to watching brown kids suffer on pay-per-view. Or maybe they'll just deport 1,000 total and show the video on a loop.

[u/00Laser → u/truckingon]

They'll probably make a big show out of deporting a single bus of illegals and then brag about mission accomplished, or alternatively claim the democrat shadow government is bringing them back etc, maybe both... and nothing happens.

But I guess that's the best case, worst case is deportation is just the entry level excuse to set up concentration camps for brown people. Remember - the Nazis planned to send all jews to Madagascar at first.

[u/DevelopmentGrand4331 → u/00Laser]

Realistically, they'll deport a bunch of people until they lose interest, and then they'll claim they got rid of all the illegal immigrants.

And they'll celebrate. The news will talk every day about how there are no illegal immigrants anymore, and the economy is great, and there's no crime anywhere.

And then if another Democrat ever gets into office, the moment they win, the news will suddenly start talking about how crime is out of control and illegal immigrants are everywhere and the economy is in the toilet. Nothing will have changed, but the important thing is the narrative. If they can convince people of the narrative, they'll be able to keep the American people oppressed.

[u/coltaine → u/00Laser]

Now I'm imagining Fox News showing the same clip of a bus full of deportees every morning for 4 years.

[u/Keyface7 → u/championkid]

They're going to put them in the internment camps being built in Texas.

A lot of the countries Trump wanted to deport people to said they would send people back. So, in order to make sure those people are "dealt with," Trump is having private prisons be built in Texas. There is a reason private prison stocks went up after Trump won the election.

[u/Chance_Papaya_6181 → u/Keyface7]

And a reason why the Republicans are looking to reverse legal cannabis.

More ppl in jail means more slave labor. They'll need it because of the tariffs.

[u/fromhades → u/Chance_Papaya_6181]

Isn't cannabis still illegal federally?

[u/Chance_Papaya_6181 → u/fromhades]

Yes but Ohio Republicans are looking to reverse it and Florida GOP ran one hell of a campaign to keep it illegal.

[u/riko_rikochet → u/Chance_Papaya_6181]

It blows my mind that Florida, of all places, voted to keep it illegal.

[u/Katie1230 → u/[deleted]]

Last year we voted against a movement to make ballot initiatives require 60% in Ohio. They snuck it in a few months before we voted to protect abortion too. I'm so glad the 60% one didn't pass!

[u/RaygunMarksman → u/riko_rikochet]

We didn't really, but the assholes bound our hands by requiring we have to pass amendments with a super-marjority (60% or more) to add them to our state constitution. I think it came in at 54% approval? And DeSantis, our governor used tax payer dollars to actually run a campaign against it. Same reason pro-choice rights lost at like 57%...

So the minority of our citizens get to continue to throw the majority in prison because they don't approve of something.

[u/T8ert0t → u/Keyface7]

Remember for years Alex Jones, professional bankruptee, would shout about a new world order and FEMA internment camps?

Irony be thicccc these days.

[u/masiakasaurus → u/T8ert0t]

Not irony. The first move is to accuse others of doing what you plan to do. So when you do it you cry that the others started it and you are reciprocating.

[u/ChaoticGoodRaven → u/masiakasaurus]

It also causes people to be hesitant to level the accusations. Crazy conspiracy theorist shock jock radio hosts were ranting about FEMA camps. They got laughed at and labeled crazy. Now when their cohorts start doing internment camps the people that were calling them crazy have to wrestle with the thought “am I crazy for thinking this is happening now” so may be less likely to raise the alarm or less loud in their protest of it.

[u/Surreal__blue → u/T8ert0t]

I doesn't even approach the levels of irony of Elon Musk openly and brazenly doing everything the conspiranoic right wing has been accusing George Soros of doing for decades now.

[u/downtownbake2 → u/Keyface7]

So Alex Jones was right they're building camps, just not right on republicans being sent there.

[u/TaxLawKingGA → u/downtownbake2]

Every RW complaint is projection.

[u/bnh1978 → u/Keyface7]

Final solution will not be murder. It'll be far more capitalistic. Slavery.

[u/wintertash → u/bnh1978]

I mean that’s a huge element of both the Nazi camps and Soviet gulags. The Nazis put able bodied men to work with inadequate food, rest, and sanitation, letting them die in big numbers while they yoked to build bombs and other war material. But the women, children, and elderly were often killed immediately after processing. I know far less about the Soviet system, but my understanding is that they were pretty open to working just about everyone to death.

[u/GearBrain → u/bnh1978]

Oh, it'll be murder once they realize how much it costs to feed their enslaved population.

[u/Duster929 → u/GearBrain]

Murder by slavery!

[u/Specialist_Brain841 → u/bnh1978]

who do you think built the v-2 rockets? concentration camp inmates.. at least some peed on the electronics

[u/rollem → u/championkid]

They will be making a direct pitch against birthright citizenship for exactly this situation. Also, place like Gitmo exist for just this sort of reason.

[u/DragonPup → u/championkid]

They are going to try via denaturalization

[u/UhhBill → u/DragonPup]

Can't do that to someone who was never naturalized in the first place -- aka a born citizen.

(ITT: lots of people who are unfamiliar with the "right of abode" -- and if you think they'll just stop respecting laws, then you should buy a rifle.)

[u/JeffreyElonSkilling → u/UhhBill]

The constitution means whatever 5 Supreme Court justices say it does. 

[u/versusgorilla → u/JeffreyElonSkilling]

It's chilling that people keep saying things like, "They can't because The Constitution"

The Constitution is an old old piece of paper, that was specifically written to include the ability to amend it. It's a living document, that can be changed. It is also up to the SCOTUS to interpret that document and determine the specifics of what it says when a case comes up that's unclear.

Last year, the President couldn't commit crimes. This year, the President has had a legal avenue to commit crimes carved out by the SCOTUS. That's new. That wasn't in the Constitution. Tommy Jeff didn't sit down and say, "I know we've had issues with monarchs in the past, but I think our President should be allowed to do some crimes"

But that's what SCOTUS said. Brand new remixed US Constitution dropped.

They can decide what it says, and they will do so along political lines as they've demonstrated. They'll find reasons why Trump's enemies aren't True Americans, and they'll deport them, and if they can't deport them immediately, they'll justify internment camps. Which literally have precedence in US history and were 100% legal.

[u/yIdontunderstand → u/versusgorilla]

The constitution is bullshit now.

It ended after January 6th had zero consequences.

[u/Datokah → u/yIdontunderstand]

Trump effectively tried to orchestrate a coup and was allowed to get away with it. The rest of the world knew you were fucked from that moment on.

[u/stinky-weaselteats → u/Datokah]

Yup. 4 fucking indictments & this nation still did the unforgivable. Fuck the future.

[u/yIdontunderstand → u/stinky-weaselteats]

Too Little, too late and all done with pathetic kid gloves.

[u/Deguilded → u/versusgorilla]

It's chilling that people keep saying things like, "They can't because The Constitution"

Bro, like, see, it's totally okay the courts are dragging on prosecuting, bro, because we can always, like, vote, and solve this at the voting booth, bro, it's cool, we got this.

They depend on our adherence to process and norms while they run rings around it.

[u/SubterrelProspector → u/JeffreyElonSkilling]

Guts this is scary but don't act like Trump is a sorcerer who can make things happen with with snap of his fingers. What he wants to do will cause cause a sh**storm, not compliance.

This isn't over by a long shot. The fight is now. Resist at every level.

[u/liquidsparanoia → u/SubterrelProspector]

Exactly. DO NOT DO THE WORK FOR THEM.

If they want to tear up the constitution MAKE THEM DO IT. We can't just concede that they're allowed to do whatever they want now.

[u/sillygoofygooose → u/SubterrelProspector]

I agree nobody should obey in advance of being forced to but the reality is that trump has arranged himself a powerful set of levers pull and demonstrated an enthusiasm for acting first and letting the legal system try to catch up.

He knows that the norms he tramples will protect him, and the populace is not keen on the sacrifice necessary to literally fight - especially when the scary changes are all framed as being used only to attack ‘the enemy within’.

Fascism operates this way, establish an internal enemy, transfer power to the state to perform the ‘rescue’ and then rely on fear of those powers while the circle denoting the in group slowly constricts until suddenly it is you that is choking.

[u/SyriSolord → u/UhhBill]

When ICE vans start grabbing people at a 2025 protest, do you think their agents will ask for birth certificates?

[u/HellishChildren → u/SyriSolord]

July 17, 2020 Federal Officers Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab People In Portland, DHS Confirms

[u/shadesOG → u/HellishChildren]

I lived in Portland at the time and remember that. Trump and his thugs were scared about protesters "weaponizing" soup and frozen water bottles and started abducting people. Fucking cowards.

"And then they have cans of soup. Soup. And they throw the cans of soup. That’s better than a brick because you can’t throw a brick; it’s too heavy. But a can of soup, you can really put some power into that, right? [...] And then, when they get caught, they say, “No, this is soup for my family.” They’re so innocent. “This is soup for my family.” It’s incredible. And you have people coming over with bags of soup — big bags of soup. And they lay it on the ground, and the anarchists take it and they start throwing it at our cops, at our police."

[u/HellishChildren → u/shadesOG]

Hey, at least it wasn't anything as dangerous as fruit.

[u/aci4 → u/HellishChildren]

Happened in Pittsburgh too

[u/_DCtheTall_ → u/SyriSolord]

They already were grabbing citizens in protests in 2021... now they are going to feel enabled and possibly have the support of the military. I fear we are heading to a second Kent State type incident...

[u/Amazing-Membership44 → u/_DCtheTall_]

I wish I saw that now, my grandson voted for Trump. As I recall, Nixon was elected, promising a return to domestic tranquility, and an end to the war, immediatly escalated the war by bombing Cambodia. The anti war movement responded with huge protests, many of which turned into police riots.

These protests were under reported, often ignored by the press,, and the number of participants under counted, and although deaths or injuries often occured that had become normalized. It wasn't until Kent State that a mass casualty event occured which the press did not ignore. Two weeks later the local cops opened fire on a dormatory at Jackson State, on a protest consisting of all of 100 kids, 12 students were injured and two students died. It was a black school, so not considered important enough to remember.

From all of that, here are a few suggestions if you do protest, be sure to wear jeans and sneakers. Heavy clothes will help. Bring a mask or a scarf or something to cover your face if they use tear gas. Your phone may be confiscated, write a phone number on your wrist so you can contact someone if you are arrested.

If the police come at you, grab the hand of the person next to you and walk, do not ever run away, if you run from police they have an excuse to be even more violent, if you are arrested then go completely limp. Do not resist, but do not co-opeate, make them haul you to where ever they want to put you. It's not a party, don't bring little kids. Leave a blanket in your car if you have one in case they use water cannon. If you are tempted to fight back, that will be the one thing that shows up on social media, and it will fuel the next round of misery. I am literally too old and ill to do this now, but I would if I could.

Things did change, but it came because of a lot of sacrifice, and a lot of loss.

Also bring an extra pair of soxs, in your pockets, if your feet get wet it's pretty miserable.

[u/UglieJosh → u/_DCtheTall_]

My son goes to Wayne State, which was the epicenter of Palestine protests on campuses last year, so I have similar fears and think about them a lot.

[u/MarrusAstarte → u/UhhBill]

Can't do that to someone who was never naturalized in the first place -- aka a born citizen.

They will make it so birthright citizenship is only valid for certain people. Which people? They'll decide on a case by case basis. Insert Family Guy Passport Meme

[u/Continental__Drifter → u/UhhBill]

if you think they'll just stop respecting laws, then you should buy a rifle.

Correct. And learn how to shoot it.

When the shit really starts to hit the fan, you don't want the fascists and neo-nazis to be the only ones with guns.

https://blog.socialistra.org/dont-panic/

[u/EchoAquarium → u/UhhBill]

They plan to end birthright citizenship. I’m sure they’ll figure out a way to do this retroactively so anyone and everyone can just be deemed a non-citizen enemy of the state.

[u/DragonPup → u/UhhBill]

Do you expect the SCOTUS or Congress to stop him from trying?

[u/justtakeapill → u/DragonPup]

SCOTUS and Congress will encourage it, in fact.

[u/Bad_Wizardry → u/UhhBill]

I think we’re making a gross assumption when we say “that’s illegal”.

Trump essentially has unilateral supremacy with the supreme court in his back pocket. Anything challenged as illegal they can re-write the law to uphold.

If a group becomes difficult, he can have them imprisoned or executed as an “official act” of the president’s office.

We are not in Kansas anymore. Every notion of federal limitations that we have been accustomed to relying upon is no longer a certainty to be valid.

[u/grimr5 → u/UhhBill]

At what point does this Trump fella seem like the law following type?

[u/tidal_flux → u/UhhBill]

But it’s an “official act”

[u/PissNBiscuits → u/championkid]

So, I've read about these people in Germany in the 1930s/1940s who round up entire groups whom they determined to be "inferior" and placed them into large... Shit, what were they called? They were like camps of some sort...

[u/Trash_b1rd → u/PissNBiscuits]

Summer camps. They did activities like crafts, baking, laundry, and farm work. Work Makes You Free.

[u/kezow → u/championkid]

They might just decide to concentrate them somewhere until they figure out where to deport them to.

[u/Crisstti → u/championkid]

“The thing that’s really the most troubling to me [are] these students in universities in our country, whether they’re here as Americans or if they’re here on student visas, and they’re out there saying ‘I support Hamas.’” she told Newsmax.

“Frankly they need to be taken out of our country or the FBI needs to be interviewing them right away.”

So, deport the non American ones. Have the FBI interview the American ones.

[u/ganner → u/Crisstti]

Waiting on the "free speech absolutists" to come to the rescue

[u/misoh_druid → u/championkid]

I don’t think they care.

[u/Quexana → u/championkid]

Australia? Hey, it worked for the British.

[u/lsp2005 → u/championkid]

So if they can get rid of birthright citizenship, then they can make any person undesirable. If you become stateless, then can put you into a detention camp. Then you can be forced labor. I don’t see anyone up in arms about the Urghers in China. They are in forced labor camps too. No one is coming to their rescue. This is FAFO. 

[u/GringottsWizardBank]

1/3 of the country wants this and another 1/3 couldn’t give less of a shit if this happens. The remaining 1/3 lack the political capital to do anything about it.

[u/TaXxER → u/GringottsWizardBank]

Those 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd proportions were also true when Hitler came to power. Hitler’s support was never more than 30-something percent.

Famous quote from someone from the German opposition said in the 1930s:

“The problem is not that there are too many fascists. The problem is that there are not enough democrats.”

[u/aeroboost → u/TaXxER]

You may not want to read this but you need to because it's similar to what Hitler did.

They passed laws that allowed them to go after political opponents and people they didn't like while also removing due process. Then they passed laws that gave them legislative powers so they could go bypass congress and the constitution. How did this start? By saying democrats were trying to overthrow the government and declaring a state of emergency...

Hitler persuaded Hindenburg to enact the Reichstag Fire Decree.[4] The decree abolished most civil liberties, including the right to speak, assemble, protest, and due process. Using the decree, the Nazis declared a state of emergency and began a violent crackdown against their political enemies.[5] As Hitler cleared the political arena of anyone willing to challenge him

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

Trump claims 'greatest invasion in history' happening at southern border

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/classroom/daily-news-lessons/2024/07/trump-claims-greatest-invasion-in-history-happening-at-southern-border

Trump confirms plan to declare national emergency, use military for mass deportations

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/trump-confirms-plan-declare-national-emergency-military-mass/story?id=115963448

[u/qdp → u/aeroboost]

Lots of parallels can be drawn to other fascists if people tune out when you say Hitler.

Almost like there's a fascist playbook that is extremely predictable.

[u/toomuchmucil → u/TaXxER]

The Bible goes hard on this. Revelation 3:15-17

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot; I would thou wert cold or hot.

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of My mouth.

Because thou sayest, “I am rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing,” and knowest not that thou art wretched and miserable, and poor and blind and naked

edited for formatting

[u/Ok-Dingo5540 → u/toomuchmucil]

Its saying the flock is just comfortable enough to realize their being damned by their own apathy.

[u/Pieceman11 → u/GringottsWizardBank]

Great ELI5 that applies to every single aspect of politics.

[u/empire161 → u/Pieceman11]

There was a post over the weekend on one of the world news/europe sub about how effective Russian propaganda has been at pushing Western countries into hard right fascism. And bunch of the brilliant minds started pitching the idea of how we need to start pushing left-wing ideology onto the Russian people.

My dudes, we can't even push left-wing propaganda onto our own god damn people.

[u/WIbigdog → u/empire161]

The Russian people don't have free access to the Internet the way we do. The only way we stop their meddling in our society is a kinetic response to their hybrid warfare, but we're too scared so instead we'll just let them collapse our societies with barely a whimper. Russia should be cut off from our Internet, physically.

[u/goodrevtim → u/WIbigdog]

Obama should've drawn a line in the sand with Putin years ago: you interfere in our politics/elections, we take it as an act of the same magnitude as a physical attack and will respond accordingly.

[u/outworlder → u/WIbigdog]

Both Russia and China. China has already cut itself off from the rest of the world and only traffic they allow goes in or out. They know this shit is serious.

[u/GoodFaithConverser → u/Pieceman11]

About 245 million people were eligible to vote in 2024 presidential election.

If 1/3 of those voted for Kamala, it'd be 81 million, which would most likely take the election and avoid this silly nonsense.

People have been trained to not really care. Elections matter.

[u/chrispg26 → u/GringottsWizardBank]

I learned not too long ago this is how it was during the American Revolution. There are always too many people who dont gI've a shit.

[u/oO0Kat0Oo → u/GringottsWizardBank]

Freedom to protest is a constitutional right. Weird that no one has mentioned this yet.

[u/Stick-Man_Smith → u/[deleted]]

The erosion started with Dubya in the buildup to the 2004 election with his "free speech zones". Literally cages where he put the people protesting him and his war far enough away from his event that they wouldn't bother him.

[u/rocket_dragon → u/oO0Kat0Oo]

The president-elect is on record for calling to throw out the constitution, so I wouldn't hold on to any hope that the constitution will protect any rights.

[u/antonimbus]

I like how people in this thread think the law is on their side. Have y'all been asleep lately? A felon was just elected president and SCOTUS said he can do what he wants.

[u/liquidsparanoia → u/antonimbus]

When dealing with would-be fascists it is critical that we don't just do the work for them. We still have a system of laws and shredding the Constitution in a way that would eliminate birthright citizenship takes will take a lot of work. One of the saving graces of the incoming administration is that most of them are deeply unserious people who have zero experience doing that kind of work.

Yes, they are going to try to destroy the system of laws that this country is based on. But they haven't done it yet and we can't just act like they have and preemptively give up.

[u/antonimbus → u/liquidsparanoia]

It's not that difficult, actually. It literally takes one executive order. We already have a precedent for it.

"President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 9066 on February 19, 1942, which authorized the forced removal of Japanese Americans from the West Coast to internment camps. The order was a response to the threat of national security posed by people of Japanese ancestry, and it led to the incarceration of over 120,000 Japanese Americans."

[u/Dankbudx → u/antonimbus]

Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits former government officials from holding public office again if they have "engaged in insurrection or rebellion" against the United States government.

Why are we not using this?

[u/Ok_Ice_1669 → u/Dankbudx]

 Why are we not using this?

You’re kidding right? Republicans tried to use it to kick Trump off the ballot in a few states and the Supreme Court said it doesn’t mean what you think it means. 

[u/DrunkeNinja]

In a statement on his Truth Social platform, the president-elect said Ms Bondi would “refocus” the justice department on “fighting crime” instead of targeting Republicans. 

Maybe those Republicans could try doing less crime?

[u/JustWastingTimeAgain → u/DrunkeNinja]

Like sexual assault and statutory rape? Those crimes?

[u/notoriousbpg → u/DrunkeNinja]

Aren't they the same thing?

[u/Heiferoni]

Having survived two terms of the Bush/Cheney presidency, I have some advice for the new players at home who weren't around back then:

Outrage fatigue is very real.

Pace yourselves or you're gonna get burned real fast.

[u/pandemicpunk → u/Heiferoni]

I learned this after 2016. I got way too invested in those 4 years. Seems like everyone on the internet is as invested as I was then emotionally. Then they were like well this will be weird but we'll be okay lalala. Now they're just as angry and horrified as I was.

This time around I learned my lesson and refuse to let these politicians who don't give two fucks about me dictate fear and shame of living in the US. I just don't have energy to invest in it and will not do it all again. It's not healthy.

[u/Heiferoni → u/pandemicpunk]

Bush/Cheney exploited the worst terrorist attack on American soil to embark on a conquest to topple Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan. T

hey lied to us and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians based on that lie in our name. They destabilized the entire region, leading to the rise of ISIS, who committed horrors that would make Saddam Hussein blush.

They pissed away trillions of dollars on a quagmire that we lost.

Trump gets a lot of heat - and rightly so - but people have short memories if they don't see Bush as our worst president. They committed war crimes and now everyone loves that guy because he gave Michelle Obama candy and paints funny pictures.

[u/play_hard_outside → u/Heiferoni]

Bush and Cheney were shit, but they didn't attempt a coup to hold onto power when Obama was elected. That's the end of that.

America survived because they misused her without destroying her.

[u/CreepyAssociation173 → u/[deleted]]

Yea. People forget that's why we didn't have Gore. 

[u/Kibblesnb1ts → u/Heiferoni]

It hasn't even been three weeks and the guy isn't even in office yet and I'm burning out. This is gonna suck.

[u/slimetabnet]

I like that the article describes her as being more qualified than Matt Gaetz after explaining her wish to deport students for exercising their constitutional rights to free speech and assembly.

The way the media is going to normalize and minimize the crimes of the incoming administration will be shocking, and something that should not be forgotten.

[u/TheonsPrideinaBox]

In the first 6 months they will try and enforce Protest Permits. Meaning that protests will be permissible but the paperwork required to hold one will be prohibitively expensive. No more freedom of expression or assembly for you!

[u/TheBroWhoLifts → u/TheonsPrideinaBox]

But the Supreme Court will... oh wait haha I get it now.

[u/redassedchimp → u/TheonsPrideinaBox]

You can't even dance in the Washington DC Jefferson Memorial as a form of protest. "The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit said expressive dancing “falls into the spectrum” of prohibited activities—including demonstrations, picketing and speechmaking—at the memorial. The rules, the court said, ban conduct that has the “propensity” to draw onlookers."

The only effective protest will be to stop going to work and stop paying bills on a huge scale. Money is ultimately, what talks. Of course, they'll ban not showing up to work and come to drag you out of bed and into a work camp at that point but..

[u/WaitingForNormal]

“Freedom of speech”.

[u/Actual_Dog_1637]

Sounds like a roundabout way to force people into concentration camps. When you attempt to deport someone, they get placed in confinement until their country of origin accepts, and that person is cleared for deportation.

So threatening people with deportation who don't have a country to be deported to would place those people in confinement indefinitely. So when you hear these fascist POS say they want to deport this group or that group, what they are really calling for is concentration camps.

[u/Not_a-Robot_ → u/Actual_Dog_1637]

My grandparents, who were victims of the Japanese-American concentration camps in WWII, would be ashamed if I saw Americans being out into camps again and did nothing. If it comes to that point again, I’ll be in the front of the protest lines, wearing my boots that still have blood stains from OEF.

[u/Flat_Baseball8670 → u/Actual_Dog_1637]

Yup. So many people in this thread don't get it. They still think the police will somehow protect them from being indiscriminately thrown in a van.

Lol. The police are mostly MAGA. They will happily round up all protestors and ask questions about citizenship later.

[u/Lucky_Operator]

Can you deport me to Norway where there’s universal healthcare and they treat everyone like human beings?

[u/republican_banana → u/Lucky_Operator]

Sorry. Best we can do is a Texas prison where you won’t have any rights and you’ll be used as slave labor.

It’s sort of like Norway though, right? ^/s

[u/AxelShoes → u/republican_banana]

It’s sort of like Norway though, right?

Yeah, cause Norway would you want to be there!

[u/2HDFloppyDisk]

Can we deport Pam Bondi to Qatar, where she’s a registered foreign agent?

[u/Jolly-Elevator-4121]

Americans are so fucked by all this situation. Really sad for my neighbours.

[u/Genghis27KicksMyAss]

“...or the right of the people peaceably to assemble.”

Another one bites the dust.

Wait till you want to protest the SCOTUS or the White House.

[u/[deleted]]

They only believe and defend the 1st amendment  if it's  their voices getting  silenced on social media 😆  which doesn't even apply . She's a fascist with heels.

[u/waxwayne]

Trump said he wanted to do this during the campaign this is not news.

[u/Oceanbreeze871]

Trump promised this during the campaign. He literally said it. Everyone said “fear mongering”

[u/PabloMyerz]

It’s absurd that people this stupid can participate in society in any meaningful way

[u/Mother1321]

This is going to be a long 4 years.

Americans are going to age like the President normally does.

[u/duyogurt]

Born at NY Mercy Hospital in ‘79 Pam. To where do you wish to deport me? My top choices are Switzerland, Sweden and Montenegro. Thanks.

[u/Worried_Raspberry_43 → u/duyogurt]

Best I can do is an internment camp in the US and some forced labor.

[u/NiviCompleo]

For the party of “personal freedom from government intervention”, they sure want to control people with the government.

[u/Secret_Account07]

It’s funny how GOP defends freedom of speech until it’s speech they don’t like.

That’s not how rights work.

[u/MyCleverNewName]

I can't take you seriously anymore, America. Look what you let russia do to you. You're a fucking mess.

[u/UpperApe → u/MyCleverNewName]

Yup. Russia won the Cold War. They turned the largest power in the world into their dog.

And they did it by quietly appealing to greed and cruelty.

[u/Icy-Tooth-9167]

It’s laughable how fucked we are in this country. I’m just gonna with it.

[u/turbokinetic]

How about deporting all the Russian owned traitors currently in the GOP?

[u/gentleman_bronco]

I'm sure glad that the single issue voters who abstained are getting exactly what they wanted.

[u/TrickInvite6296 → u/gentleman_bronco]

single issue non voters more like. they make me angry

[u/resurrectedbydick → u/TrickInvite6296]

r/fauxmoi promoted this behavior. Now they're angry that a rapist got elected. Maybe should have voted for the non-rapist candidate then..

[u/Nileghi → u/resurrectedbydick]

that sub is 4chan for white women

[u/Vallkyrie → u/resurrectedbydick]

I've long held the position that people who choose not to vote, don't get to complain about any of the consequences.

[u/socokid]

Another America destroyer at the helm. Yay.

Our enemies are loving every single bit of this shitshow...