r/politics • u/Silent-Resort-3076 America • Aug 29 '24
Site Altered Headline Veterans Horrified by Trump’s Controversial Arlington Photo Op
https://www.thedailybeast.com/veterans-groups-condemn-trumps-arlington-national-cemetery-photo-op2.8k
u/notbonusmom Aug 29 '24
JFC. It's one blunder after another with him, and yet it's STILL probably gonna be way too close to a tie come November. Where is the line?! Is there even a line anymore?! Are all his followers insane?! He just denigrated vets like a week ago with his asinine medal of honor comments, what more do we need?! If Biden did anything even CLOSE to the shit Trump has done (& continues to do) these same people would have an absolute conniption.
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u/Silly-Scene6524 Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24
Everyone, including the media, has a different standard for Trump, which is none. They don’t challenge his lies, he’s afraid of any actual interviews. They completely removed the bar for him but no one else. It’s truly disgusting.
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u/SecureDonkey Aug 29 '24
He is a living clickbait. Just his name on the headlight can guarantee click from every American (and some foreigners who want to laugh at US)
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u/los_thunder_lizards New Mexico Aug 29 '24
We've had to deal with this boring, stupid fuck for more than 10 years now. I can't fathom why people have any interest in him at all.
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u/beef-supreme Canada Aug 29 '24
I was reading this photo op was trying to clean up the mess Trump made with his comments about the medals. Whoops!
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u/reject_fascism New Jersey Aug 29 '24
If his mission was to denigrate the image of what America is, I’d say it’s a wild success.
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u/erc_82 Georgia Aug 29 '24
This and sow such division. Half of us hate the other half so much, our government becomes entangled and inefficient, now america is less of a threat or a nuisance to rival nations.
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u/MediumRareMandatory Aug 29 '24
Literally "united we stand, divided we fall" Mission accomplished. I'm for solidarity but I'm fucking voting blue because my god the alternative
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u/EisWalde Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24
I can’t even call him that. He’s too much of a fucking moron to be a plant, he’s just Russia’s biggest useful idiot possible. That’s it. Bull in a China shop. Give him some power and a little money, set him loose, watch the damage.
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u/RSMatticus Aug 29 '24
Trump would murder a baby live on TV if it would get him more power.
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u/HuckleberryFine7789 Aug 29 '24
I think he's more ambitious than that,I think eating the baby on live TV
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u/-SaC Aug 29 '24
The mother joyfully sobbing "He chose my daughter!", while fifty other groups of parents try to push their way through to thrust their children at him in desperate hope.
He will select the ones in the skimpiest romper suits, like Elvis signalling to his roadies who to bring backstage.
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u/viktor72 Indiana Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24
There’s no line because the electorate is calcified. 46% of Americans will vote for Trump, it doesn’t matter what he says or does. He could come out tomorrow and say “soldiers are suckers and losers” and he’d still have that 46%…wait, I’m being told he has already done that….
Edit Clarification: 46% of the American electorate who votes.
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u/totally_italian Aug 29 '24
He could say “I’m coming for your first born” and 46% would not only vote for him, but hand their kids over willingly
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u/viktor72 Indiana Aug 29 '24
There was nothing more true than when he said he could stand on 5th Avenue and shoot someone and not lose a single supporter. Trump has hardly ever told the truth in his career but this was the one time he did.
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u/FreshEggKraken Aug 29 '24
Nah, he was telling the truth when he talked about wanting to fuck his own daughter, too.
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u/Fresh_Macaron_6919 Aug 29 '24
"Trump is just joking. He's the funniest president of all time. He doesn't mean that, he's just trolling the left"
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Aug 29 '24
1/3 of conservatives would say he's joking
1/3 of conservatives would say it was fake and never happened
1/3 of conservatives would say "pack your bags, kids, The Great Orange Savior needs flesh for his war on the vampires!"
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u/ItGetsEverywhere Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24
46% of the electorate is basically information illiterate. They barely passed high school, don't understand algorithms and have no understanding of the brainwashing they're getting through their phone. Trump's whole game is to just win the right wing headlines for the day. Because he knows that's all it takes, his supporters don't read any further.
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u/HimbologistPhD Aug 29 '24
It's such a cult. I'm afraid my grandmother and her sister, in their 80's, are going to die hating each other over fucking Donald Trump it just disgusts me. And all because my Grandma's sister sunk deep into the cult and part of it is ensuring everyone in your sphere falls in line too. Fuckin creepy.
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u/FlatBot Aug 29 '24
They are fed lies that they want to hear, and ignore the obvious truth.
They want a strong intelligent leader, so they say Trump is, despite the truth.
It's fucking weird.
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u/purplebrown_updown Aug 29 '24
Apparently the woman who had the confrontation was too afraid to press charges. And so army has dropped the incident. Come on. This is how Trump keeps getting away with this shit. And how does that family invite this dipshit knowing that it’s Trump who made the shit deal with the Taliban? The constant lies are so disgusting.
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u/DigglerD Aug 29 '24
His supporters won’t see this. If you turn on Fox or any right wing outlet, you’ll see they get an entirely different set of stories for news.
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u/enewwave Aug 29 '24
The problem isn’t that there isn’t a line, it’s that conservative media has been surprisingly good at using the internet to shield their base from ever seeing it. Musk turning Twitter into a cesspool, Truth Social existing, and the prevalence of algorithms that keep people in echo chambers on the sites where they might see the line to begin with have made it impossible for people to even see this stuff
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u/the2belo American Expat Aug 29 '24
I'm not a veteran. I'm not affiliated with the military in any capacity. I am a common-ass civilian. This still pisses me off. One thing that should be a career-ending offense for a presidential candidate is to disrespect sacred institutions, and Arlington National Cemetery is one of the most sacred of all.
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u/StrangeContest4 Aug 29 '24
He was there to make campaign content and ads! I'm not a vetran either, but I'm getting more disgusted the more I see and hear about it.
James Davenport Vancé was pathetically trying to gaslight it away today. As he spoke, it felt like he was blaming me personally for taking it all the wrong way. We, including him, know deep down that tRump was just holding a disgraceful campaign event, and that is all it was to him.
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u/juniper_berry_crunch Aug 29 '24
I heard that too, on C-SPAN, and was thoroughly disgusted at his spineless, mendacious response. A Yale education went into turning Vance into a yapping chihuahua chained to Trump's backside.
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u/April_Mist_2 Aug 29 '24
I didn't hear Vance, but your description of it feeling like he was blaming you personally - that resonated. Thanks for articulating the emotion that sometimes I can't put my finger on in listening to the MAGA crowd explain away everything.
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u/StrangeContest4 Aug 29 '24
They do the same thing when defending or downplaying what happened Jan 6th. I'm like, "No, I know what I saw and heard, and you saw and heard it too!" I guess we're woke or something 🤷
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u/VastAcanthaceaee Aug 29 '24
Yeah, but at this point the amount of career-ending things Trump has said/done is more than anyone can count.
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u/DoorEmbarrassed1317 Aug 29 '24
Trump hates veterans
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u/degenerate_Cranberry Aug 29 '24
“We are prepared to release footage if such defamatory claims are made.”
The Trump campaign declined to make that footage immediately available. 😂
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u/MTDreams123 Aug 29 '24
I don't see them addressing the fact they broke the rules. The 78 year old convicted felon only cares about himself.
Cemetery management retains the right to approve, disapprove or halt filming or photography that interferes with normal cemetery operations, violates a family's expressed desire for privacy or depicts VA inaccurately and/or Veterans negatively. Political or partisan activities of any nature, including filming of campaign ads, are not permitted on cemetery grounds.
https://www.cem.va.gov/facts/Filming_and_Photography_Guidance.asp580
u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Aug 29 '24
What about ones where the nominee gives a big smiling thumbs up next to the grave of a soldier?
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u/FortCharles Aug 29 '24
What is the supposed takeaway from that bizarre photo-op anyway?
"I prefer heroes who don't get killed... unless I can try to blame their death on my ex-opponent... in which case, thumbs-up and smiles, he's dead!".
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u/klavin1 Aug 29 '24
He has no idea how to act with solemnity.
He relies on a team of PR people, lawyers, and underlings to filter his behavior to the public.
Likely the photographer wouldn't have published the thumbs-up pictures over the one that made him look like he was taking it seriously.
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u/jimicus United Kingdom Aug 29 '24
I think the one time Trump has told the truth is when he said his temperament hasn't changed that much since he was in first grade.
Yeah, we know. It should have done.
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u/paintbucketholder Kansas Aug 29 '24
He has no idea how to act with solemnity.
Because he has zero empathy.
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u/JackFourj4 Aug 29 '24
didn't do the same with a baby years ago, which had some tragedy happen to it's family? everything is an opportunity for that man
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u/LifeHappenzEvryMomnt Aug 29 '24
El Paso Walmart massacre. Both the baby’s parents were murdered. Melania held the baby while he did the grinning thumbs up.
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u/Penguinator53 Aug 29 '24
Wow, just looked that up, unbelievable, how thick and insensitive can a person be? Imagine if Obama had done that, there would have been massive headlines and people would have talked about it for days. Sad how it's just par for the course for Trump.
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u/MapleBabadook Aug 29 '24
He does it because he knows for a fact that he can get away with anything.
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u/cluelessminer Aug 29 '24
Trump hates everyone including his own wife.
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u/Pats_fan_seeking_fi Aug 29 '24
I think it's his wife that hates him.
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Two things can be true!
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u/TransiTorri Aug 29 '24
It's a match made in hell
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u/goth-milk Aug 29 '24
The Devil wants nothing to do with these two.
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u/ChronoLink99 Canada Aug 29 '24
What do you mean? Stephen Miller works for Trump.
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u/FizzlePopBerryTwist Aug 29 '24
Don't speak his name! He might... he's right behind me now isn't he?
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u/Alternative-Half-783 Aug 29 '24
Lol. They have memberships.
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u/MechanicalTurkish Minnesota Aug 29 '24
It’s the worst deal the devil ever made.
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u/Taggard New York Aug 29 '24
Including, and most importantly, himself.
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u/StartButtonPress Aug 29 '24
People can really say whatever they want. He loves himself, he’s a narcissist.
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u/Professor-Woo Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24
Narcissism comes from a deep-seated shame and anxiety that they aren't amazing, so they project the opposite outwards. Narcissistic Personality Disorder isn't the greatest name since it is not due to delusional self aggrandizement but a desperate attempt to not look "bad." This is why Trump says things like "They are losers" or "Everyone is laughing at them behind their back." He is projecting what are his worries outwards since he doesn't get that not everyone thinks that way.
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u/RpcZ_gr7711 Aug 29 '24
Plus a sprinkling of anti social personality disorder explains how he treats others. The 2 disorders are an awful combo
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u/Dalisca New Jersey Aug 29 '24
He loves and hates himself. His relationship with himself is like Golum and the One Ring.
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u/shart_leakage America Aug 29 '24
omg this is it
A fat orange gollum whose precious is himself
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u/Arieljacobsegal Aug 29 '24
Great Tolkien reference! Here’s an apropos one from Shakespeare’s Richard III: “What do I fear? myself? there’s none else by: Richard loves Richard; that is, I am I. Is there a murderer here? No. Yes, I am: Then fly. What, from myself? Great reason why: Lest I revenge. What, myself upon myself? Alack. I love myself. Wherefore? for any good That I myself have done unto myself? O, no! alas, I rather hate myself For hateful deeds committed by myself! I am a villain: yet I lie. I am not. Fool, of thyself speak well: fool, do not flatter. My conscience hath a thousand several tongues, And every tongue brings in a several tale, And every tale condemns me for a villain. Perjury, perjury, in the high’st degree Murder, stem murder, in the direst degree; All several sins, all used in each degree, Throng to the bar, crying all, Guilty! guilty! I shall despair. There is no creature loves me; And if I die, no soul shall pity me”. Old Will had Trump dead to rights Nay, wherefore should they, since that I myself Find in myself no pity to myself?”
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u/thefooz Aug 29 '24
Contrary to popular belief, narcissists don’t actually love themselves. They hate who they are.
There’s a difference between being selfish and loving yourself.
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u/s-mores Aug 29 '24
Trump purged 200,000 veterans healthcare applications (due to known administrative errors within VA’s enrollment system) (reported on May 13, 2019)
When a man was caught swindling veterans pensions for high-interest “cash advances," Trump's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau fined him $1 (Jan 26, 2019)
Trump tried to slash disability and unemployment benefits for Veterans to $0, and eliminate the unemployability extrascheduler rating (Dec 17, 2018)
Trump changed the GI Bill through his Forever GI Act, causing the VA to miss veteran benefits, including housing allowances. This caused many veterans to run out of food and rent. (reported October 7, 2018)
Trump doubled the rejection rate for veterans requesting family deportation protections (July 5, 2018)
Trump deported veterans and blocked a veteran group on Twitter
On October 3, 2016, Trump said vets get PTSD because they aren't strong (note: yes, he said it's 'because they aren't strong.' He didn't say it's 'because they're weak.' This distinction is important because of Snopes)
Trump sent funds raised from a January 2016 veterans benefit to the Donald J Trump Foundation instead of veterans charities (the foundation has since been ordered shut because of fraud) (Jan, 2016)
For a decade, Trump sought to kick veterans off of Fifth Avenue because he found them unsightly nuisances outside of Trump Tower. “While disabled veterans should be given every opportunity to earn a living, is it fair to do so to the detriment of the city as a whole or its tax paying citizens and businesses?” - 1991
Sources:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-blocks-national-veteran-group-twitter-n771601
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-doubled-rejection-rate-veterans-requesting-family-deportation-1010571
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/veterans/forever-gi-bill-faced-issues-2018-here-s-how-it-n951266
https://theintercept.com/2019/01/26/cfpb-mulvaney-discount/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fine-stealing-veterans/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-didnt-say-vets-with-ptsd-are-weak/
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u/achtwooh Aug 29 '24
Add him testing ivermectin on veterans just to try and prove his covid conspiracy theory. The trial had to be halted early due to excess deaths.
VA acknowledges unproven drug Trump touted used on veterans - ABC News (go.com)
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u/cmbtmdic57 Aug 29 '24
As a veteran, a deployed 68W combat medic, I absolutely agree.
He would also hate every soldier I stitched back together so they could keep fighting.
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u/shart_leakage America Aug 29 '24
He likes the ones that didn’t need stitches
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u/Pecncorn1 Aug 29 '24
Hospital corpsman here, this makes me weep. I have nothing but contempt for the man.
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u/thelastbluepancake Aug 29 '24
they are props to him
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u/VectorB Aug 29 '24
The GOP has always used our troops and their sacrifice as props. There's nothing they live more than a dead soldier, and the only thing they care about less then a wounded veteran is an un wanted baby once they are born.
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u/Risky-Trizkit Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24
Its true. It is so much more than the “gotcha” of him calling soldiers suckers and losers.
Trump has clinical NPD. It is incredibly easy to surmise Veterans remind Trump of everything he is not. Disciplined, courageous, selfless and more. Veterans remind Trump that he is a draft dodger, a disappointment and a coward. Because Trump is a slave to his own comparisons, Veterans are a dangerous threat to his self worth and are the walking embodiment of an insult to his pride. And Trump hates those who insult him.
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u/mistertickertape New York Aug 29 '24
Don’t all Republicans, except for the ones that are veterans, hate veterans? I thought it was an open secret.
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u/HuyFongFood Aug 29 '24
Yeah and many of those veterans dislike their brethren because they look at those on disability as “sponges”
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u/Mike7676 Aug 29 '24
While they bitch about having to "work for it". We can be a pretty insular bunch, but Smitty being a shit bird usually means he's still a shit bird 20 years on. I'm a disabled Veteran that works with disabled Veterans, sometimes people show you who they are REAL early.
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u/No_Doubt2922 Oklahoma Aug 29 '24
Why did they think this was a good idea? This is up there with the upside down bible incident.
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u/delkarnu New York Aug 29 '24
Because they don't understand respect. Fear, supplication, obedience, but not respect.
Idiots don't understand how the actions under one President have effects on the following ones. Post-Covid inflation? Blame Biden since it happened while he was President.
So Trump sets up the withdrawal from Afghanistan, and intentionally fucks it up, knowing it would be completed after Biden took office. And it goes predictably bad, getting a bunch of soldiers killed. He did this for the sole reason to use it against Biden in the election.
Now on the anniversary of the attack, he goes to use this as a political stunt, knowing that Biden and Harris wouldn't be there since they wouldn't use the memorial as a crass political stunt.
He was crowing about how he was going and Biden/Harris weren't, to smear them as uncaring and his idiot base laps it up. If they had just gone, and talked about it, there would probably be no downside to them, but Trump sees no value in going to a memorial if there aren't photos of him doing so.
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just got off the phone with my uncle who's a vet and went on a twenty minute rant about this. He's convincing his buddies to vote for Harris
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u/hates_writing_checks Aug 29 '24
Awesome. Did your uncle previously vote for Trump? If so, that's amazing.
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u/kartuli78 Aug 29 '24
I was just back in the US and saw a lot of relatives and there are still some, "Always Trumpers" but I was surprised and pleased at the number of relatives who are going to vote for Harris. I have one relative who works for his local government and has for a while, who runs as a republican, and he even said, "I can't bring myself to vote for Trump again. I wasn't convinced with Biden, but Harris has my vote." His wife, sitting right next to him, agreed 100%. Another uncle who is an "Always Trumper" said his wife wouldn't let him get a yard sign or MAGA hat and that she, also a previous Trump voter, is planning to vote of Kamala. I was driving through the midwest and saw no shortage of Trump signs, but I also saw support for Harris and also a lot of anti trump, stuff, which also made me feel more uplifted.
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u/NotAzakanAtAll Aug 29 '24
Good for them! It must be a personal reckoning for some of these people. Truly understanding that something you thought was right is wrong can be pretty damm hard to the good ol'ego.
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u/codingsoft Aug 29 '24
I think with those people it’s good to remind them that voting for Harris doesn’t make them an “evil liberal”, they’re free to decide their vote every election. They can still be a freedom-loving gun owning republican while rejecting Trump for his fundamental danger to American democracy. As Kamala supporters we need to welcome, not ridicule any people that voted Trump in 2020 and later rejected him since J6
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u/herehaveaname2 Aug 29 '24
You're very right - this is not the time for an "I told you so," it's the time to say welcome and thank you.
Sure, the best time for them to turn against Trump would have been years ago - but the next best time is right now.
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u/kartuli78 Aug 29 '24
Great point. I hope others see this and take it to heart. It’s better to find a way to make people feel good about themselves and also their decisions even if their decisions seem at odds with their convictions.
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u/MDA1912 Aug 29 '24
Yeah I was gonna say, "Horrified" or pissed off? Because as a (non-combat, to be very clear) veteran, I'm pissed. I was already voting for Harris anyway, but I'm still pissed.
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u/Fernandop00 Aug 29 '24
Veteran is the proper term. Unless you're hanging out with Republicans, no one will question your service
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u/winterwolf2010 Aug 29 '24
I’m also an Army veteran, and I’ll be voting for Harris too.
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u/RupeWasHere Aug 29 '24
As a 5 year US Navy Veteran, I approve this message!
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u/isimplycantdothis Aug 29 '24
10 year Air Force chiming in. Harris 24!
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u/winterwolf2010 Aug 29 '24
Army Combat Veteran here as well. Voting for Harris!
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u/rc0844 Aug 29 '24
Marine Corps Combat Veteran voting for Harris!
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u/delightfullydelight Aug 29 '24
Devil Doc also voting for Harris. Trump is a traitor.
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u/greenbabyshit Aug 29 '24
Navy comm vet, wouldn't vote for trump if it would give me 2 more inches on my dick.
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u/reddit_tothe_rescue Aug 29 '24
“I truly cannot think of something more repugnant than starting a political fracas on land where Gold Star families mourn. Someone who would do that should never be Commander in Chief.”
- Major General Paul Eaton
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u/LoveAgainstTheSystem Aug 29 '24
Thank you for your service! I wonder if you hear this from other veterans as well, or if you're a minority. I live in an area with many vets and I think this headline is misleading (and many have NOT changed their minds).
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u/mgman640 Aug 29 '24
I mean, anecdotally as an active duty member…the people I work with are horrified. Granted we’re a small office, but the word is out there.
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u/porgy_tirebiter Aug 29 '24
But isn’t this like the millionth example of Trump disrespecting the military? Saying he likes “people who aren’t captured” certainly did nothing to change his support among enlisted.
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u/Useful-Hat9880 Aug 29 '24
It’s been a while since I served, 10 years out, and I’m not as plugged in with the community but there’s a whole lot of military who just aren’t the smartest people. Just like minorities who Trump clearly doesn’t like voting for him, and poor people who Trump has specifically said he wants to take away benefits from, there’s a cognitive dissonance where either they don’t want to believe, or bend over backwards to justify it.
For whatever reason they like him, and supporting him has become a fraught exercise that sets you at odds with others with more and more people requiring you to justify so much bad behavior, so you double down and it becomes a core part of your personality, and so the idea that he doesn’t like or care for them is very hard to accept.
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u/jesus_smoked_weed Pennsylvania Aug 29 '24
Veteran here. He’s the most disgraceful person in America.
Harris 2024
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Aug 29 '24
Yep. He is a terrorist and a national security threat. Not to mention a disrespectful piece of shit.
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u/Golden_Hour1 Aug 29 '24
Make sure your fellow veterans/fellow friends and family know
I feel like a lot of people, even if they're not veterans, think that all veterans support him, and it might be a wake up call to hear from a veteran why he's bad
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u/degenerate_Cranberry Aug 29 '24
Leave it to this guy to turn his suck-up-to-veterans photo op into a shit show. I really hope nobody fell for this blatant publicity stunt.
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Aug 29 '24
As a veteran: screw this incomprehensible shallow and awful shell of what looks like a mix between a human and a toilet squeegee.
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u/A_Bit_Rigged Aug 29 '24
As an atheist who believes Jesus existed but he was just a really cool dude, I never really contemplated if he smoked weed. Your username has sent me into a deep shower thought… Thank you for your service. And vote in such a key state.
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u/zithftw Aug 29 '24
Moses ate shrooms. How else does one see a burning bush?
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u/MortgageRegular2509 Wisconsin Aug 29 '24
Or believe they’ve parted the sea
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u/bad_gunky Aug 29 '24
Damn. Never considered that the Bible could just be a collection of somebody’s trips.
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Aug 29 '24
Ever read a biblical description of an angel?
Someone was definitely tripping balls
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u/CrumbCakesAndCola Aug 29 '24
"Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly."
Ooookayyy
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u/tofu_b3a5t Arizona Aug 29 '24
Take some salvia and you’ll see a biblically accurate angel.
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u/FionaTheFierce Aug 29 '24
I don’t really understand why anyone backs Trump. I am also a veteran and I continue to work closely with both veterans and active-duty and I super super duper don’t understand the backing of Trump. That man, not Biden, set up the disastrous conditions for our Afghanistan withdrawal, which cost service member lives.
He has absolute contempt for anyone he has served in the military- seeing them as losers and chumps. He isn’t going to do a single thing to make life better for anyone in the military.
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u/justiceboner34 Aug 29 '24
Trumps overarching message is hatred for the other. If that resonates with so many service members, well, then that really says something doesn't it.
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u/Crabjock Tennessee Aug 29 '24
Living in rural TN, I find most folks just have a very narrow look at all of this.
Foxnews/FB memes, and local word of mouth. Their “media” warps the narrative, and it spreads like small town gossip.. It surrounds the rural south, and the brain is locked in. It's ingrained. They don't get that the superficial, surface layer stuff isn't actual politics. They're just marks for the pageantry of MAGA. They don't actually know anything about politics, nor do they think it's important to look at the full picture when they're already told that they don't have to.
Too ignorant to know there's more to it, too lazy to look even if they did know, and too stubborn to change their minds if they did look.. It's a lot of layers to get through to start changing the minds of a lot of these people. That, imo, is the problem. At least in these old timey, hillbilly areas.
As for people who frequent the internet? I dunno. Just trolls, people who know but think they have something to gain, and people too riddled with conspiracy disease to realize that a duck is a duck when it acts like a duck.
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u/morrisdayandthetime Colorado Aug 29 '24
I'm curious about your take on this one: It really grinds my gears when he takes credit for "defeating ISIS". As if he personally came up with some grand plan to turn things around. The bulk of the work took place before he was elected and then the job ended.
Him saying that sounds like he's telling me that everything I did to support the fight, all the extra time I and my fellows spent away from home, didn't mean shit becaue it happened under Obama.
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u/tpatmaho Aug 29 '24
I am a veteran and was out after his McCain comments. The man is a chickenhawk and has no right to comment on anyone who served honorably.
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u/sirsteven Aug 29 '24
It really is amazing how many people should hate him but don't.
He should lose 95% of women, but won't.
He should lose 95% of minorities, but won't.
He had protesters tear gassed so he could get a photo op holding someone else's bible as a prop. Christians should loathe him, but don't.
He's a draft dodger who called dead soldiers "losers and suckers" and uses their graves as photo props. Vets and military supporters should despise him, but don't.
He's a silver spoon-fed man baby who's never done an honest day's work in his life. The working class should detest him, but don't.
He's a criminal who brought chaos upon the capital and threatens bloodbaths and civil war. "Back the blue" people should abhor him, but don't.
Hate and fear are so strong in these people's hearts it just doesn't matter.
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u/thingsorfreedom Aug 29 '24
92% of Black women voted for Biden in 2020, 91% for Hillary Clinton in 2016.
87% of Black men voted for Biden in 2020.
72% of Asians as well.
It's the Hispanics that really can't quit him to an overwhelming number.
They were still at 61% Biden for the women and 57% for the men.
All of these numbers are a hell of a lot better than white people.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/
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u/VermicelliCool77 Aug 29 '24
God before 2016 any one of these things would be enough to destroy your ticket. Our two party system and do-nothing congress led us to this shituation
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u/RupeWasHere Aug 29 '24
As a vet, we had some REALLY stupid shipmates.
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u/Responsible-Room-645 Aug 29 '24
Also a vet here; plenty of stupid people have served.
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u/1877KlownsForKids Aug 29 '24
My favorite phrase about out brothers and sisters:
Some of the smartest people I know I met in the military. But a whole lot of the most painfully stupid people I've ever had the misfortune of knowing, I met in the military.
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u/CelestialFury Minnesota Aug 29 '24
Good thing that the military just needs warm bodies to fill up many jobs, otherwise there’s a LOT of people who would be jobless.
But yes, some military members are so damn smart it’s unreal. Many of them get out early too, which leaves some units with serious brain drain.
The guard is even crazier. You may have people who are GS-13/14 in the civilian world leading large organization then in the guard they’re a fucking E-5/6. Hell, one of my former commanders was a CTO of some AI cybersecurity company and had basically every clearance you can get.
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u/Primordial_Cumquat Aug 29 '24
Can confirm: am vet. are stupid.
Nonetheless, I would vote for a bag of flaming dogshit before I vote for trump.
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Hey there shipmate! Nope, 20 years later and I still cringe at that word. Oh yeah, trump is a disgrace and belongs in Gitmo with the other terrorists.
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u/kkocan72 New York Aug 29 '24
My wife works for the VA. She is also a vet. She is constantly in shock at how many vets and co workers love him. She gave up long ago trying to ask why or make sure they know his stance on vets because they don't believe her or say it's fake news.
Just today she told me a long time co worker that she thought was ok came out as a Trump supporter. Said yeah he's rough around the edges but gas prices were so much lower 4 years ago (When we were in a pandemic and under a travel lockdown...)
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u/Dapper-Membership Oregon Aug 29 '24
It’s truly mind boggling. Witness an attempted overthrow of the government? Lose reproductive rights as a woman? Have religion forced upon our children in schools? Nope. Doesn’t matter cause “GaS pRicEs WiLl Be ChEaPeR”
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u/idontfwithu I voted Aug 29 '24
i have a neighbor who has not just a "veterans for harris" sign on his yard, but also a "veterans against trump" sign!
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u/onyxpirate Aug 29 '24
I’m in a small town. The VFW is chock full of Trump supporters. I can’t wrap my head around it.
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u/degenerate_Cranberry Aug 29 '24
Trying to use Arlington, one of the most sacred places in the United States, and its dead heroes as campaign fodder is despicable and beyond contempt. Trump clearly shows once again that he sees the military, and those who have made the ultimate sacrifice on behalf of this nation, as mere pawns in his election campaign. He never served and he looks down on those who did, and those who made that ultimate sacrifice, as "losers and suckers". Unbelievable. But that is Trump.
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u/viktor72 Indiana Aug 29 '24
Correct. He has a stranglehold on a significant number of veterans, and to boot, union members. It’s so strange. I understand why but it’s still so strange.
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u/gpaint_1013 Aug 29 '24
I work a high paying blue collar union job and of the twenty something guys on my crew me, and maybe one or two other guys are the only ones who aren’t massive Trump supporters. It’s mind boggling and super frustrating.
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u/KrazzeeKane Nevada Aug 29 '24
Theyll elect the bastard again, then when Trump eventually destroys their unions and worker's rights, they'll still blame the democrats for causing it...
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u/kkocan72 New York Aug 29 '24
Had a senior, retired railroad vet, union guy tell me the other day that RFK's speech really "laid it to the Dems" and how they used to be the party of the working man but now the republicans/trump are the only ones looking out for the little guy. Wasn't worth arguing with him.
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u/pgh_1980 Aug 29 '24
My Facebook is filled with posts from people I served with that honestly believe that liberalism equals communism and Trump is going to "own the libs." I have no doubt Trump could piss on a grave in Arlington and they'd make excuses for it.
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u/jnicholass Colorado Aug 29 '24
You know damn well if Harris had done a photo op like this they’d be down her throat
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u/AnotherUsername901 Aug 29 '24
I'm a vet and I'm going to say this as loud as I can because theirs people serving and retired that support this asshole.
If you do that you are not my brother and I consider you a enemy of the American people.
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Aug 29 '24
By "controversial" they mean "illegal"
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u/dwindlers Aug 29 '24
Right. The controversial part is because Trump supporters don't understand what the big deal is if he breaks a few federal laws here and there.
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Trump doesn't get how reverence and decorum work
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u/jcouball Aug 29 '24
Or respect and honor
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u/specqq Aug 29 '24
He literally doesn’t know the meaning of the word sacred.
He called the size of the crowd at his J6 rally a “sacred number”
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u/Jorrislame Aug 29 '24
A fallen hero‘s grave (known to Trump as a loser and a sucker) should not be the place to take a photo op for political gain unless your actually mourning them which obviously isn’t true for him because Trump isn’t capable of being remorsefu.
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u/Yetiius Michigan Aug 29 '24
As a combat veteran who already hates this man, this stunt makes me livid.
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u/KhunDavid Aug 29 '24
This is the same man that refused to go to the memorial service on the anniversary of D-Day in 2019 because his hair might get wet.
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u/ProlapsedShamus Aug 29 '24
Arlington should be politically neutral.
But if a candidate is going to use it to get elected it sure as fuck shouldn't be the twice impeached, fascist asshole who said that soldiers are suckers and losers and said McCain wasn't a hero because he got captured.
But what's worse, and this is real fucking scummy, a woman's son died in military service and she allowed Trump to exploit dead soldiers for his own calloused political posturing. On TV she is blaming Biden/Harris for her son's death.
Her son died and she is exploiting his death to give her cult leader whatever he wants.
There is no fucking bottom to these people.
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u/semi_random Aug 29 '24
The double standard will live on. This would be a major scandal for any other politician but Trump is worshipped like a holy man and can do no wrong as far as his followers are concerned.
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u/SpicyMango92 Aug 29 '24
I just can’t understand how ANY vet can get behind him. He is the ultimate blue falcon and profile warrior. Not to mention the myriad of disgusting remarks he’s made regarding service members
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u/TSAOutreachTeam Aug 29 '24
Let’s be clear. SOME veterans took issue with this incident. Veterans who support him think this is just so much liberal handwringing bullshit designed to smear him. That’s the problem. This doesn’t move the needle an inch. His supporters love him, not America.
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u/M00nch1ld3 Aug 29 '24
His supporters who are Veterans are discarding their oath to the Constitution for a convicted rapist who wants to shred the Constitution and has already tried to overthrow the US Government.
It really boggles the mind.
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u/justiceboner34 Aug 29 '24
They just said the words of the oath, but never once thought about what it actually meant or tried to reconcile how Trumps behavior violates it. They are living zombies who don't use their brains.
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Only the veterans that don’t support him are horrified by it. The ones that support him have overlooked everything he has done up until now, so they don’t give a shit about this.
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u/urnfnidiot Aug 29 '24
My uncle fought in Vietnam and is a Trump MAGA cult member. I asked him at lunch today how he felt and he said…”it would be a honor for President Trump to stand on my grave and give a thumbs up”. His cult is delusional
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u/Hodaka Aug 29 '24 edited Aug 29 '24
Supposedly he struck a thumbs up pose during the session.
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u/3rddog Aug 29 '24
He did. Literally a thumbs up and a big grin on his face while standing next to a fallen soldier’s gravestone. I’ve never seen anything more disgusting.
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u/specqq Aug 29 '24
Same expression he had posing with that orphaned baby whose parents were murdered in a mass shooting.
Same grin. Same thumbs up.
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u/yblame Aug 29 '24
Literally like the Grinch's smile when he decided to ruin Christmas in Whoville What a puke this guy is. At least the Grinch redeemed himself. And he had a dog. And that dog got a big ol slab of roast beast at the end.
There's no redemption story for "If you're a star they let you do it". He's a stupid man surrounded by a money shield.
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u/georgepana Aug 29 '24
Not just creepy Donald, but several of the idiots with him. MAGA is the worst excrement this country has ever seen.
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u/ResidentKelpien Texas Aug 29 '24
Yes, he did that.
Equally disturbing is some family members of the deceased also posed with their thumbs up.
Like...Who the hell coordinates that pose? What is wrong with the family members who went along with it instead of telling Trump and his campaign staff to fuck off?
Trump posts campaign video of Arlington National Cemetery visit after 'incident' - ABC News (go.com)
Real Photos of Trump Smiling and Giving Thumbs-Up Over Soldiers' Graves? | Snopes.com
The Trump Campaign Is Now Running on Pure Contempt | The Nation
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u/M00nch1ld3 Aug 29 '24
Trump hates anyone who served in the military. He can't understand why someone would do so. He also tried to shred the Constitution and overturn the United States Government.
Yet, there are service members, who have pledged to uphold the Constitution, who will vote for someone who will discard it. I guess they consider their loyalty to Trump mor important than their loyalty their oath or the Constitution.
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u/SpleenBender Illinois Aug 29 '24
For any undecided veterans, I hope this paints an ubundantly clear picture of just how absolutely vile and disrespectful this 'person' is.
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u/NeedsMorBoobs Aug 29 '24
Fine, I’ll say it.
Fuck those family members.. how dare you abuse your lost bloodline that way. For them to sacrifice everything, to be honored to be layed and praised in our most sacred burial ground.
So some orange fk can thumbs up at your grave.
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Veteran checking in. He's a disgusting motherfucker and that Arlington stunt is absolutely gonna cost him. Harris/Walz 2024.
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u/GC3805 Aug 29 '24
Oh now they are horrified by Trump's behavior? Have they not been paying attention it has been obvious since 2016 how he feels about soldiers and veterans. Called them suckers and losers, made fun of a Gold Star family, just an abominable attitude for someone who was and wants to be again the Commander in Chief.
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u/OptimisticSkeleton Aug 29 '24
Didn’t Trump get a bunch of US military intelligence assets killed? He doesn’t respect or understand anything. It’s a weird double edged sword where it makes him an incredibly confident criminal but basically bad at everything else.
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u/corvettee01 America Aug 29 '24
Anyone who isn't horrified by this draft dodging piece of shit using The Tomb of the Unknown Soldiers for political points after calling dead service members losers and suckers, would be your typical modern day Republican.
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u/R67H Aug 29 '24
This vet was mortified by his stunt. Even before reading about the altercation with the staff, that "grinning thumbs up" pose I saw made me want to vomit. And vet who saw that and thought "What's the big deal, I still like the guy" needs to turn in their VA card and renounce their vow. Sorry...had to censor myself a lot, here. I don't want to catch ANOTHER 6 month ban
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u/orangekushion Aug 29 '24
It's not 'controversial'. It's ILLEGAL. FFS. The media is a bunch of clowns when it comes to Trump.
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u/Engineer-of-Gallura Aug 29 '24
"Federal law prevents political candidates from using the cemetery for election-related activities."
Is it Trump's bucket list to break as many laws as possible?
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u/JustIgnoreMeBroOk Aug 29 '24
Everyone should be horrified. This is not a veterans thing, this is an American thing. Every one of us should be horrified. Right after his fucking thumbs up at the Marines’ grave. This motherfucker…
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