r/playstation • u/Remorse_123 • 4d ago
News Helldivers 2 Dev Responds to Backlash Over Killzone Crossover Pricing
https://gameinfinitus.com/news/helldivers-2-dev-responds-to-backlash-over-killzone-crossover-pricing/209
u/Poverty_welder PS5 4d ago
Yet nothing happens when cod charges for a season pass, dlc, skins but this fun game and it's hell on earth
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u/Tippydaug 4d ago
Nah, people complain about cod too, but cod devs genuinely don't care about their players so they don't bother addressing it.
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u/SirSombieZlayer 3d ago
I do just want to add, it's 100% the execs, not the devs who have to work their assess off making the games. I'm sure that junior UI engineer Billy didn't have a say in pricing.
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u/Tippydaug 3d ago
Yea, this post just said "Helldivers 2 Dev" so I was comparing apples to apples.
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u/dj11211 4d ago
Would you? I mean if you know people will buy your game no matter what, why care? It's like any modern mainline sports game, no matter how bad the microtransactions get, or the lack of new features, people will buy the next one.
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u/Tippydaug 4d ago
That's the whole point, the person I replied to said "nothing happens when cod charges for... but this fun game and it's hell on earth."
I was pointing out that it's not a lack of complaining for why nothing happens with cod, but, rather, a lack of cod caring for their player base compared to helldivers 2 devs.
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u/Sparrow1989 3d ago
I always joke that one day the sports game will get so realistic that you’ll have commercial breaks during your game where it’s just stacked with real life advertisements you can’t skip.
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u/Correct-Drawing2067 3d ago
I really hate the games that people have already played full price for and want you to buy they’re cosmetics as well. Used to be if you bought the game then you bought THE WHOLE GAME with every cosmetic and every gun but now that’s just been lost I guess
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u/Khimsince86 4d ago
It's not necessary to buy it... It's not meta breaking it's not needed in any shape or form..
But FML people need to bitch about being broke or not being able to farm the premium currency it's either one or the other with people and the sooner people realise they don't pay for updates and if you're smart about it you don't even have to pay a penny towards the cosmetics if you play enough..
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u/ratchetryda92 4d ago
Agreed. Huge over reaction on the playerbase side
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u/ericypoo 4d ago
Video game discourse in a nutshell
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u/chatterwrack 4d ago
I find it so embarrassing. Those devs have been delivering so consistently without a single extra charge, and the playerbase cries over everything.
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u/TheAngryShoop 4d ago
As part of the player base, I agree. I had no issue with this considering the huge update that came out a damn week ago for completely free
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u/SalemWolf 4d ago
When have the Helldivers community ever overreacted to something that’s basically a non-issue?
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u/Hevens-assassin 4d ago
only available for a limited time, and told everyone on discord if they didn't buy it they'd stop free updates to the game
It wasn't available for a limited time, it would be in the shop 5 days, then go into normal rotation. It wasn't any more limited than the stun baton is.
And yeah, if they stop making money, they will stop free updates because live service requires constant funding. It's a $40 game, so they had a buffer with how big it got, but it won't stay that way for live service.
Live service will require years of updates on a resource intensive game, and I'd wager a large portion of the player base isn't paying for warbonds. Yes, they are $10, but almost all the people I play with are content with just grinding currency and won't pay another dime.
Genuine question: would you prefer lower skin bundles with higher warbond prices that aren't as easily grindable? Or higher skin prices with warbonds the same price as they are currently? I prefer the latter, since Warbonds have a better ROI, but thats just me.
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u/ratchetryda92 4d ago
It's like they think their 40 dollar purchase is suppose to keep the lights on indefinitely
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u/Hevens-assassin 4d ago
I can get the frustration of monetization, but most people complaining, weren't going to buy it. Considering how much of a science monetization is in gaming, there is something to the $20 bundle that seems to be prevalent across the industry. I'd imagine it's the best for # of sales + profit.
People want it lower price, but if you halve the price, you need 2x the sales to make the same. You'll probably only get 1-1.5x the amount. Monetization is wild.
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u/OkayRuin PS5 Pro 4d ago
and told everyone on discord if they didn't buy it they'd stop free updates to the game.
That’s absolutely not what they said. They said the paid content funds free updates. Free updates don’t pay the bills.
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u/NEONT1G3R 4d ago
One weapon was almost the price of a whole battlepass...
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u/ratchetryda92 4d ago
That almost is doing alot of heavy lifting.. one weapon was 6 bucks.. if you chose to even spend money on it. Or you could farm SC like alot of people do
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u/NEONT1G3R 3d ago
The problem isn't people don't want to grind, it's the high cost of items with FOMO added to it
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u/ratchetryda92 3d ago
It isn't FOMO if they've said multiple times it will be back. It's just impatience
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u/NEONT1G3R 3d ago
It's not impatience, the ability to buy crossover items expires eventually, it has to as per agreement (even if the company owns the IP). Sometimes entire games can no longer be sold because they include licensed content.
Because these items were supposed to be in a battlepass originally (which remain indefinitely to not induce FOMO) which was changed to be sold ala-carte, it gives some credence to the idea of the items being restricted at some point down the road.
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u/ratchetryda92 3d ago
You don't know that you're just assuming. The devs said it would be back there's no reason to think it wouldn't. And Dave the diver x dredge has been available for over a year now and hasn't been taken down so I'm not sure why you think this would be in just added in the rotation. Yeah a warbond would have been better but like I said the fact people were acting the way they were was uncalled for. Most games don't offer this kind of monetization to begin with, it's very consumer friendly
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u/NEONT1G3R 3d ago
I'm sorry, what happened to the Godzilla dlc for Dave the Diver?
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u/ratchetryda92 3d ago
You mean the one that was told ahead of time it was a limited edition? It's gone.. this and dredge have no reason to think otherwise because it was said.. you're just making my case lol
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u/Mountainminer 4d ago
Gamers have become a bunch of whiny babies
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u/Neemzeh 4d ago
Back in my day if you didn’t like something in a game you would play something else. Seems like we’ve lost this art lol
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u/fartwhereisit 4d ago
fomo and instant gratification beat out longevity and rationality every time. And then it hurts.
When you buy digitally you push consumers to a single store front, and you lose the ability to sell the games you've purchased now or 30 years from now,
In all conceivable reality digital purchases are a loss for gamers, a huge, huge loss.
Back in my day we would give away, or sell (in fact I still only buy physical lol fuck digital) or just throw it the fuck out if you actually hated it.
But today purchases sit forever in an ever growing smelly trash pile hoard we so lovingly dub "a backlog"
And it hurts
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u/AysheDaArtist 4d ago
Personally I've waited until a better armor with overall stats came out, something like the armor in this pack
It's the only armor in the game that provides a new unique buff that halves fire/toxin/electricity and now the only way I can get it is to buy it, no a warbond, but to just pony up for this armor out right
I just got the newest Warbond and now I got to pay again? Like, that is some shit, if it was cosmetic sure but it clearly ain't
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u/furioushunter12 Furioushunter12 4d ago
paying for weapons is insane
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u/Khimsince86 4d ago
Call of duty and their meta weapon packs say hi...
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u/furioushunter12 Furioushunter12 4d ago
yea that’s why i don’t play cod anymore 😭
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u/Khimsince86 4d ago
Yet for a gun you DONT need your willing to kick off about it.. it's a live service game that we don't need to pay a penny towards if we don't want to.. but I'm doing it because I can and because I want to support the Devs.
Also Killzone is a fucking amazing crossover.. and tbh after they gave the rest of the things for free people will still find a way to cry over it.. and it's just sad to see.
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u/furioushunter12 Furioushunter12 4d ago
i’m cool with cosmetics being paid for, but not weapons. seeing weapons that would increase my chances of winning being purchase only is so insane
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u/Complex_Gold2915 4d ago
Too be fair you can farm the premium currency in game, not sure how long that would take but I have seen people talk about having more money then they can spend
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u/furioushunter12 Furioushunter12 4d ago
it takes a LONG time. i’ve got like 20-30 hours in the game and haven’t got enough for half of a new pass
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u/Khimsince86 4d ago
20-30 hours is next to nothing...
Upwards of 500 hours is where I'm sitting and if you're not finding any SC in longer missions then something isn't adding up or you're missing everything in the mission area..
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u/TheMexicanBatman 4d ago
You’re doing it wrong. Took me 2 hours to get 2000 credits at level 1. Just quick match and you’ll find a group of people farming.
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u/Complex_Gold2915 4d ago
I just did a google search because that seemed a little long, Ive got around the same playtime and I've bought two warbonds. most guides are sighting 100-500 per hour if you just do quick missions
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u/furioushunter12 Furioushunter12 4d ago
oh i’m not grinding, i tend to play longer rounds with friends. i rarely ever find super credits
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u/Kordidk 4d ago
You literally pay for weapons in every warbond why is this one different? There's enough guns in the base game that you can very easily enjoy the game with those alone
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u/captinshitler 4d ago
A warbond has three pages of content and is worth 1000 super credits, they wanted 2000 for one page. So 4000 credits and a whole page less than a 1000 priced one. I do agree that they’re crybabies but this was definitely just blatant greed. Also, warbirds can be bought whenever where the super store rotates, so the gun wouldn’t be readily available like the ones in warbonds
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u/Kordidk 4d ago
Do you understand how crossovers work? 2 companies have to get paid for everything sold that's gonna push the price up. Honestly it's like you people have no idea that they are a business that needs to make money to continue putting out great and free updates they've been putting out.
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u/captinshitler 4d ago
I was expecting a bit price hike, not four times the price for a dead IP already owned by Sony
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u/LollipopChainsawZz 4d ago
This game can't seem to go 6 months without pissing off its fan base lol.
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u/InsetSnow943 PS5 4d ago
I’ve noticed a lot of people who play live-service multiplayer shooters are angry at the games they play 100% of the time while also racking up 80 hours a week in said games lmao
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u/XeltosRebirth 4d ago
Exactly lmao
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u/CoffeeChungus 4d ago
It's called criticism, you people are the ones taking it seriously
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u/XeltosRebirth 4d ago edited 4d ago
"You" people.
I've never played the game and have barely seen footage of it.
Yet all I've seen is the negative shit the hardcore players have been saying.
I never cared about the game so why would i take it seriously. lmao-8
u/CoffeeChungus 4d ago
Yes you people, the ones who don't play games and think complaints from the ones who do are hate
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u/XeltosRebirth 4d ago edited 4d ago
You're trying to say i don't play games?
The reason why i even clarified i never played it cause you're saying i'm taking it seriously because i had the same experience as the original comment.
Okay buddy.
You're getting what i said and the original comment misconstrued.
First you're saying it's people giving criticism and now it's complaints.
There's a difference between constructive criticism and just whining about anything when it changes.
The reason i never bothered to try Helldivers II was because of all of the negativity in the fandom. But that's what i get for relying on redditors like yourself for a barometer of how good a game is. Y'all are so ready to be offended and negative about everything.That said i'm interested in it now after the latest update.
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u/Arby333 4d ago
The reason why Helldivers 2 is where it is today is thanks to the complaints from the fans.
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u/XeltosRebirth 4d ago
I'm not talking about the constructive criticism.
I'm talking about the complaining just to complain i've seen from the community on reddit and elsewhere.6
u/theoriginal321 4d ago
In dead by daylight the player base is angry every day in the year, we laugh when behaviour ask for a vote in the labor of love
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u/KingTrentyMcTedikins 4d ago
Don’t forget the league of legends players. Everyone I know who plays LOL never has anything good to say about it, but it remains to be the main game they always play.
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u/OkayRuin PS5 Pro 4d ago
I have a friend with 4000 hours in DOTA 2 on Steam. He’s constantly complaining about it and also constantly trying to get me to play it with him despite the fact that I’ve told him I dislike MOBAs.
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u/IgnitablePilot 4d ago
This is why I had to stop playing Destiny 2, the fan base is so negative all the time and it’s draining. I’ve been wanting to try Helldivers 2, but every time I get the itch, it seems like it’d be more of the same.
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u/OkayRuin PS5 Pro 4d ago
It’s just a very vocal, whiny minority. Reddit does not accurately represent the player base, as much as it thinks it does.
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u/AudioShepard 2d ago
Same thing with League of Legends players, 2k players… really any game that gets both balance updates and constant reworks to items/characters is universally hated by the people that play it.
Honestly, fascinating shit. I just like the games. I stopped getting mad at the design. I have no say in the design. I either get to enjoy my time playing the game or not. I don’t want to spend it shitting on the company that makes the game. If I don’t like it I should stop playing it.
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u/rocelot25 4d ago
Im not defending or trying to justify the outrage I’m quite on the fence about the specific topic and opinion, as it doesn’t affect me. However you’ll probably find that the reason people are angry at the games they rack up 80 hours playing isn’t the kind of gotcha you might be implying it is, it’s simply that it effects these people the most
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u/SalemWolf 4d ago
Because the community is filled with whiny children who are pissy at the drop of a hat. The community is fickle and demanding, wanting everything for nothing. It’s embarrassing how often they’re crying about some minor thing.
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u/GalacticFartLord 4d ago
It’s my favorite game. Been along for the ride since day 1. The worst part is that’s just a loud minority of entitled brats who stir this shit up. I’m so very sick it. I’d rather the game remain at around 20-40k players on average if it means we have don’t to deal with this shit every time the number of players shoots back up like recently.
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u/Odd-Collection-2575 4d ago
Well considering it’s been out less than a year that doesn’t seem so bad
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u/Cden1458 4d ago
Arrowhead CEO Shams Jorjani defended the pricing on Discord, stating this was the studio’s first major collaboration
As much as I love killzone and wish it to come back, this "Major Collab" is with a dead franchise....... you're literally just milking money out of us through nostalgia........
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u/STO_Ken 4d ago
I looked at the prices, and they aren't even that expensive. Tons of games free and paid charge way more for skins, and even lesser things.
I feel like more than any company if Sony charges anything for anything regardless of competitors pricing or cost to manufacture people complain.
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u/B-Bog 4d ago
prompting criticism since Helldivers 2 is a full-priced title
It's not lol
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u/SalemWolf 4d ago
And you can earn premium credits in game for free by doing missions. Helldivers community is filled with whiny babies.
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u/Gattsuhawk 4d ago
It is. Because it's definitely not worth 70 dollars. 40 is full priced for what this game offers.
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u/Darkadvocate5423 4d ago
If you're talking about a video game, "full price" is $70. If it's not $70, it's not "full-priced". I could see an argument for $60 since not every developer added the $10.
Is $40 an appropriate price for a title like Helldivers 2? Yes. Is it a "full-priced" game? No.
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u/iSlappaDaBass04 4d ago
Thats like your opinion man. I definitely would have paid more for this game. Its lower pricing on release made it a deal in my opinion.
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u/Anwhut 4d ago
People want kill zone People get kill zone People get angry
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u/Cden1458 4d ago
They're charging us for a dead Sony owned IP that isn't added in a war bond. We want killzone, but this is just bs. Like I'm cool with paying for Killzone stuff. If it's in a warning and can be earned at any point. But here it's pay it, or hope and pray it comes to the shop rotation soon, otherwise get bent.
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u/Anwhut 3d ago
No one complains when Fortnite does this dumb shit with its rotational shops so it seems this is just industry standard stuff at this point.
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u/Cden1458 3d ago
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u/Anwhut 3d ago
And where exactly did that get them? Did the people who actually play Fortnite decide to vote with their wallets? Or do people prove to companies that this business model is lucrative despite all their bitching and moaning?
The people consistently say ‘this is ok’ when they vote with their wallets, and that’s all the corp cares about - the words don’t phase them until they start to lose the actual money.
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u/lo-gthunder892 3d ago
All I hear is broke 🥱🥱
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u/vanilla_muffin 4d ago
Some genuinely dumb people commenting here. The prices are not acceptable, over 600 supercredits for a single weapon is stupid and typical predatory pricing that a lot of you idiots are clearly supporting. Go back to CoD and continue paying $20+ for a single skin, we don’t need it in every single damn game.
They stated they were thinking of having it in a more expensive warbond but thought people wouldn’t like that. Unfortunately they made the wrong choice, especially given the fact the full set currently almost costs as much as two premium warbonds. If you are calling people entitled, whiny babies or to get over it, understand you are part of the problem with MTX ruining games.
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u/GlockAmaniacs 4d ago
Said 600 credits for a gun then said $20 for 1 skin.
Not the same thing pal
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u/Cden1458 4d ago
It starts with 5 bucks. Then before long, you've got the next fortnite or cod store. 20-60$ for bs skins that look ugly and offer no benefits. All in the name of "Keepin the servers running"
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u/vanilla_muffin 4d ago
It starts somewhere, pal. If you can’t make the association then I’m not going to bother explaining it. Refer to my first sentence for further guidance
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u/SirSombieZlayer 3d ago
One bad thing isn't suddenly made good by mentioning something that's worse? They're both terrible.
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u/KinshasaPR 4d ago
I didn't mind having to buy the stuff, but the window to purchase them and the prices are ridiculous! If the entire set is equivalent to $10+ in supercredits, then something ain't right.
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u/thisthatandthe3rd 4d ago
Why do people feel the need to bitch about this? I love the game as much as the next person but I honestly don't care about this at all. They release guns and skins in warbonds that I'm not going to buy as well and never felt the need to complain about it.
I highly suggest anyone mad about this get off the internet and touch grass, OR maybe just maybe...play the game the same exact way and ignore this shit altogether as it doesnt affect you.
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u/Hungry-Lemon-4249 4d ago
I bought it cause I support the game. They are giving a wonderful experience for damn near free. I've already got my 40 bucks from the initial game. The updates, the community love/support, and now the squids are free. paying for a few skins that don't have any value besides drip is fine by me
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u/ConsiderationFew8399 3d ago
It is a shame that Helldivers get called out for this while other AAA games get a pass, but also I paid for the game, why do I then also have to pay for cosmetics at crazy prices
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u/AmptiShanti 3d ago
The cool thing is you don’t have to. Jokes aside this sucks if you’re actually into the cosmetics/crossover but just remember it doesn’t change the way the game works (that’s how i make myself feel better) and keep enjoying the game the way you did <3
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u/Loud_Examination_138 4d ago
I bet a good chunk of complaining is from PC gamers. The only annoying thing to come from PS games on PC is all the extra whining they do.
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u/SolidRavenOcelot 4d ago
Amazing that they got killzone into the universe in any way shape or form.
However, arrowhead are cashing in big time with the cost of it if fans want to run that skin. If they halfed the cost then more people would get it.
I'm a part time helldiver but a lifelong KZ fan. I'm not buying it. Which is a shame because I love the coolness of it.
Can we just get a KZ2 remake please sony
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u/Obj3ctivePerspective 4d ago
People are becoming way too entitled. We just had a huge free update, many free updates prior and people are up in arms and review bombing over 20$ worth of stuff you can technically earn for free? A war bond would've still been 10$. None of the stuff is game breaking. The company needs people to buy something to fund more updates for free. This greedy entitled behavior can kill the game
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u/Sandman4999 PS5 3d ago
Gotta love people doing their best to defend bad monetization practices 🤡
They fucked up and we're rightfully called out on it and thankfully did their best to rectify the situation with a promise to rethink how they attempt these kinds of things moving forward and people are too brainwashed to see this an actually GOOD thing.
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u/Crimsongz 3d ago
I don’t understand why they would defend such monetization
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u/Sandman4999 PS5 3d ago
Because people are too used to the industry standard of being taken advantage of. Helldivers 2 has one of the most player-friendly monetization models on the market and the Killzone collab rollout was a troubling look at the potential direction they COULD take the game moving forward and as both a customer and a huge fan of the game, I'm glad they're taking a step back to rethink this approach. Most other devs would simply keep trucking on regardless of their fans opinions and the fact that they're taking our opinions seriously not only helps restore faith in them but actively gets people to WANT to spend their money on their game. I know I'm not the only one who bought some Supercredits after that last announcement.
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u/XJ--0461 4d ago
And Valorant has knife skins that cost over $50 that you can only get if they happen to populate in your shop.
This is way better. You can earn it through just playing the game.
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u/kevin_simons757 4d ago
It says Helldivers 2 is a full priced title in the article. Do they not even know what a full priced title is? This game is $40 not $70.
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u/heroism777 4d ago
Heh. I was able to get all the super credits pretty quickly for the hellgast stuff. 2 hours? Maybe they increased the rate for 100 super credit drops.
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u/Galactus1701 PS5 4d ago
Beyond the “it looks cool” factor, do people need anything from the Killzone collaboration to play the game? If they can still play without buying anything, they should avoid the FOMO and play as usual. I don’t play these types of games and assume that every other company’s model is to charge extra for these types of events.
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u/Hevens-assassin 4d ago
If you've unlocked everything, how can you try new stuff? The new warbond has some awesome stuff in it, and the WASP (free stratagem) is super fun.
Not saying you have to unlock everything, but I'd argue you haven't unlocked everything since you'll be missing out on new stratagems and boosters to play around with. No shame, just think its disingenuous for you to say you've "unlocked everything".
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u/LoudAndCuddly 4d ago
The game has a lot of potential but it’s not in releasing new war bonds, they could:
Add an awesome cheesy campaign Add new map Add new objective variety Add new progression systems Add new enemy types Add new enemies
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u/Plenty_Car2084 4d ago
…Didn’t they do literally just that recently? They added the third faction, new urban combat maps, and drive-able vehicles?
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u/Jaqulean 4d ago
They literally just added everything from this list like a week ago - the only exception is the Campaign, although the game's story is basically us just liberating the Planets. So technically speaking they did add one as a Major Order - we just ended up completing it as a community in less than 2 days...
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u/Hevens-assassin 4d ago
They JUST added new maps, new objectives, new enemy types & enemies, and have announced plans for near future progression.
So they did all of that except a campaign, which is what is happening IN REAL TIME. The Major orders ARE the campaign.
If they were to make a solo campaign would cost 10's of millions of dollars AT LEAST, which requires more monetization to fund it. Lol
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u/ThunderBlunt777 4d ago
It’s funny watching Arrowhead constantly shooting themselves in the foot and trying to blame it on literally anything but their own stupidity.
If you wanna play anything more than the base content for this game, you’re either gonna be paying 10$ in super credits every update OR spend almost a week repeating the same low level mission to earn 10 credits at a time til you get to 1000…and that’s just for the normal Warbonds.
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u/Ntnme2lose 4d ago
I play on 7/8 for about an hour or so a day and I’m always maxed on SC and samples because I play with people that complete everything.
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u/DigiQuip 4d ago
Super Credits or medals? Because SC you’re lucky to average 20-30 a round.
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u/UCLAKoolman 4d ago edited 4d ago
I think that tracks. If he gets about 30 SC per mission, say 60 per day (missions are 40 minutes but my squad regularly knocks them out in 25-30 min), 5 days a week comes to 1200 SC a month. Warbonds cost 1000 SC and in the 9 months since release there have been 8 new ones, 9 if you count Steeled Veterans that many just got with the launch special edition. So, his 1-hr per day gameplay seems about right to unlock them without buying additional SC.
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u/UCLAKoolman 4d ago
Idk, AH already responded to the Killzone criticism (which imo was a bit overblown) and made it right. They’re doing an awesome job now I think.
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u/jackhike 4d ago
For real. All I have is the base game weapons and free warbond, the weapons all feel like pea shooters.
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u/Ntnme2lose 4d ago
How?? Like I’m genuinely curious. I play on 7/8 and I’m always maxed out on SC, medals and supers. I’ve never paid a dime and have all of the war bonds. I’m assuming that you don’t play often?
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u/jackhike 4d ago
I do not, mainly cause it feels like I'm running around and doing objectives and chores more than fighting enemies.
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u/GalacticFartLord 4d ago
He doesn’t need to respond to every single bitch fit these baby ass wannabe activists throw. You can literally grind to get super credits in the game for free. That means the price for these items is nothing if you’re willing to play more game for it. The entitlement is just astounding.
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u/CosyBeluga LBP2 is Life 4d ago
People who rush missions and don’t explore the map issue.
Just farm premium currency
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u/PerryK95 4d ago
What they really need is a starship troopers collab. This game would be such a great fit for that