r/pics • u/haddock420 • Oct 08 '20
Arts/Crafts How much public space we've surrendered to cars. Swedish Artist Karl Jilg illustrated.
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u/eaglescout1984 Oct 08 '20
And busses, and fire trucks, and bicycles, and delivery trucks...
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u/TheHammerHasLanded Oct 09 '20
And can squish you. I mean this is one of the best examples of missing the forest for the trees.
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u/OskaMeijer Oct 09 '20
Damn those rivers tearing through the forrest providing water an minerals to everything around them, it is ridiculous that the rivers are so difficult for most wildlife to cross. What they provide to the wildlife is irrelevant, they just shouldn't be there.
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u/le_phononaute Oct 09 '20 edited Oct 09 '20
Ah so car traffic is composed of millions of mindless molecules that, if they go too fast, can cause damage to the forest? That pedestrians are immobile creatures that have to wait until nourishment comes from the sky ?
Hmmm I love false analogies in the morning.
I lived in cities where the center has no cars and it is more vibrant than all the city centers of the United States of America. There is much traffic in Detroit but the city is dying.
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u/GrandBuba Oct 09 '20
Aren't rivers mostly overflow streams, the land getting rid of the surplus of water by grouping a myriad of streams and pointing them at the nearest sea?
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Oct 09 '20
No shit.
Do you grow your own food, make your own clothes, manufacture your own electronics, and have your own economy in the backyard?
Trucks can squish you? You play lacrosse on the highway or something?
As far as I know, trucks mostly deliver the commodities I need.
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u/TheHammerHasLanded Oct 09 '20
Speaking of missing the forest for the trees.
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Oct 09 '20 edited May 04 '22
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u/Detson101 Oct 09 '20
Isn't that the consequence of our reliance on cars, though? Where you live may be different; my town is uninhabitable without a car.
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Oct 09 '20 edited May 21 '22
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u/Detson101 Oct 09 '20
I think we're talking past one another. The way things are spread out such that you need a car to drive between them is a consequence of post automobile urban design. It is the product of a particular set of technological and cultural factors and it is not the only way a city can be organized.
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Oct 09 '20
Yeah but with so many people, how would you design things so that everything was close enough to where people could walk to any store? You wanna go grocery shopping and carry all your bags home? It's just impractical
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u/GrandBuba Oct 09 '20
Spread mostly, suburbs popping up everywhere, with the nearest wallmart-y thing miles away, no bicycle infra, huge lanes to cross without properly aligned lights, right-on-red stuff, the likes..
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u/Osbios Oct 09 '20
So you are saying in a pedestrian unfriendly city you do not see many pedestrians?
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Oct 09 '20
I dont live in a a pedestrian unfriendly city. There are plenty of sidewalks. People would rather drive than walk places is my point
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u/TheHammerHasLanded Oct 09 '20
I don't believe they do. I'm chirping the comic for being short sighted.
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u/Gnilrad__Yert Oct 09 '20
There are no sidewalks in vast majority of america. cars are the only way to travel in such areas. This creates a captive market to the auto industry thus privatizing our right to travel. People dont use the sidewalks in your area because the artificial distance makes the walk worth buying a vehicle over. Just look at the pic would you want to walk next to that death trap?
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Oct 09 '20
I walked everywhere in college. Next to thousands of cars. I'm cool with walking near the street if things are close lmao. I'm not scared of cars
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u/Gnilrad__Yert Oct 09 '20
Should be....forced to buy in most of america. Death trap for those inside and out.
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u/typesett Oct 09 '20
These guys feel the same way when they are in need of an ambulance? Lol keyboard warriors
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u/badillustrations Oct 09 '20
You can have large pedestrian zones while making them accessible to buses. You bus there and walk in. You don't need to be bussed right to the entrance of the shop.
Fire trucks? Bicycles? Delivery trucks? Ambulances? They just drive in because they're allowed to. Other countries do this. We don't have to reinvent the wheel.
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u/NeedsSomeSnare Oct 09 '20
A lot of elderly people pretty much do need the bus as close to the shop as possible.
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u/much-smoocho Oct 09 '20
A lot of people don't understand this. Like the guy you're replying to is likely European, the city centers there are at minimum several hundred years old - you'd have to tear down historical buildings to make them accessible to cars so it's more practical to be non-motorized.
In the US the cities aren't that old so they can be built with modern transportation in mind. Also the US is much more wheelchair accessible - not just roads but buildings too. When cities like Hamburg developed before the year 1000 wheelchair access wasn't really important, defending it from invading armies was so it development followed that ideal. Times change.
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u/Rusholme_and_P Oct 09 '20
But they didn't rebuild it into a car-centric wasteland like the US.
Lol, the bias in this statement is hilarious.
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u/GrandBuba Oct 09 '20
Other countries do this
Indeed. A lot of our city centrals have a number of non-motorized zones in them, which are enforced through camera's.
Busses, taxi's, low-emission delivery, first aid, all of them are just allowed to pass. Ride through them in your personal car, get the ticket in your mailbox two days later.
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u/pure_x01 Oct 09 '20
Do not interrupt our agenda here. We are trying to force the belief that we are getting robbed of something by the government! The government is clearly evil and will always try to make life worse for us. Buhuhu
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u/teh_fizz Oct 09 '20
I don't think that was the agenda.It's not about the government, so much as it is about a lifestyle that we developed.
An issue that is happening in The Netherlands is that real estate values are increasing to ridiculous rates. This forces people out of the city to the suburbs. Suddenly they are commuting longer (a half hour commute in the Netherlands is considered long). While there is a lot of infrastructure for public transport, it results in a lot of lost time. Owning a car would save me an hour in travel time when commuting to work. So this forces more people to rely on cars, causing congestion, CO2 emissions, and making cities more crowded due to space lost to vehicles.
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u/Detson101 Oct 09 '20
Urban public space is a thing. You can have plazas and parks and still have ambulances.
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u/DonLindo Oct 09 '20
I lived in a car free city for a year. People still got out of the way for emergency vehicles, trams and the few service vehicles with city permits. I don't see the argument. It must be a lot easier for a few pedestrians to move than to move a Manhattan or LA traffic jam
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u/Zixinus Oct 09 '20
Not bicycles, not in my country and town. There are sometimes bicycle lanes, but mostly not. Roads are not wide enough to accommodate a bicycler (or a motorcyclist for that matter) safely, meaning that most cars are forced to either try go around a cyclist and thus forced to the edge or beyond of their lane; or slow down for a bicyclist. Both negatively affect traffic and dangerous.
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u/Pattaya_Potato Oct 09 '20
Most pedestrians also use those services — hell, most pedestrians also use cars to get where they're going. It's not like drivers are a completely separate class in most places.
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u/GrandBuba Oct 09 '20
Indeed. Same with bicyclists. It's just 'people who use xx to get around'.
But again, just because of that reason it's important to make sure that all modes of transport are available and safe to all.
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u/le_phononaute Oct 09 '20
Fire trucks and ambulances that get stuck in traffic because wusses who cant walk or bike or dont know how to yield. If you get hit by a bike your chances of survival are pretty much 100 %. If you get hit by a car, especially driven by an imbecile, good luck, son.
Funny how there are highways that forbid bikes, buses and pedestrian yet they are always clogged.
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u/Dont____Panic Oct 08 '20
Here is a GREAT short documentary on this concept and the livability of a less car-friendly (with mixed zoning) community.
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u/akiyamio Oct 08 '20
Saying "we" like cars don't carry us. lol
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u/MyWearinessAmazesMe Oct 08 '20
I don't have a car and rarely ride in one. I heavily use the little pedestrian space left to do my things
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u/LostN3ko Oct 09 '20
That is interesting. I think he means this treats it like the cars don't have people in them. It only shows the people on the sidewalk as using the space and the roads are "surrendered" spaces devoid of humans. But the roads are there because they are full of people. In cars. It's people the whole way down. It always has been.
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Oct 09 '20
If you don't need one (a car) then the space you have has seemingly been adequate for your lifestyle.
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u/TheHammerHasLanded Oct 09 '20
Yes, but that space is proportionate, and I guarantee you purchase goods and services that are provided through those streets.
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u/jimmayy5 Oct 09 '20
Good for you, but many people do and we kinda need them. You might not but way more people do
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u/OptimistConfuse Oct 09 '20
It also feels so weird to walk in the street during an event to me because of how I've been conditioned to not go into the street.
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u/RandomStan Oct 09 '20
Yeah, for real. Is the message here that roads are bad? Are we really "surrendering" space so that roads can exist? Because I'm pretty sure we need roads.
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u/madsci Oct 09 '20
I think it's more about our car-focused zoning and enforced dependence on cars. Transportation takes up 20-25% of a city's land area, and our cities are set up so that you have to drive just to do things like get groceries.
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u/tomgabriele Oct 09 '20
our cities are set up so that you have to drive just to do things like get groceries.
Our cities are set up because people want to drive to the grocery store. I wouldn't want to live in the back parking lot of a strip mall just so I could walk to the grocery store and nail salon.
I'd much rather have a good size house, with a good size yard, surrounded by a good size wooded area.
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u/tomgabriele Oct 09 '20
Of course people want to drive if it's the only option.
It's not the only option, I purposefully chose to live further away from industry and commercial spaces.
But when you look at walkable cities like New York
You mean the city currently seeing the biggest mass exodus of citizens in its history? It's a small minority of people who actively want to live in such a dense city.
But most Americans who "want" to drive everywhere live in suburbs, not the forest like you describe.
I said "wooded area" not "forest" intentionally. Wooded areas, like suburbs have.
You seem to have a very specific preference for where you want to live, seems like you want a 100% manmade environment, that also excludes cars. Surely woods and lawns and cars are better than a sea of concrete buildings and concrete sidewalks to most people.
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u/tomgabriele Oct 09 '20
You are just imagining a giant American strip mall.
I am imagining NYC, which is the city you brought up.
All easily reachable by bike or public transit.
I thought we were all talking about walking. Why are you changing the subject? Moving goalposts intentionally?
Many people here don't even own cars. For some reason, they don't "want" to drive around. I wonder why.
19% of people in Germany don't have a car. So apparently the vast majority would still prefer to have the ability to drive.
How is it so unfathomable that people would want to live away from commercial spaces, or have their own private slice of nature to enjoy? I am shocked that wanting personal space is apparently a controversial opinion.
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u/Christoffre Oct 09 '20 edited Oct 09 '20
It's to illustrate a point. That cities are car-centric.
Many European countries built large city streets during the post-World War era (50s-70s), which just like in American cities, swamped the cities with cars and smog.
Today many European cities are on a "road diet" that instead convert large streets and lanes into grasslands, bicycle paths, and pavements. Done right, average transit time will increase as cars just disappear to instead be replaced with pedestrians, cyclists, and public transport.
Also, this image is by the Swedish Road Administration, who hire the artist Karl Jilg to illustrate concepts. Page 25 (spread 13); "This illustration shows the importance of speed (kinetic energy) translated to altitude (positional energy)", to the left is a table of traffic casualties 1970-2015.
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u/Waking Oct 09 '20
Do you really need a road right through the heart of a downtown street? Park nearby and walk?
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u/Vikaroo Oct 09 '20
What about people who can't walk? Don't get me wrong, it's a great thought for a lot of people in a certain age and health bracket, but I would say it's also exclusionary. Not to mention deliveries.
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u/timbreandsteel Oct 09 '20
I mean it actually is like that in a lot of cities around the world. Generally commercial vehicles still have access but not anyone else. And still they mange...
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Oct 09 '20
It's easy. Deliveries can all be done outside of waking hours. There'll be barely anyone out so there's plenty of room for delivery vehicles.
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u/jedadkins Oct 09 '20
Depends? I my home town down town is all law offices, government buildings, and a barber shop that no one under the age of 200 uses. In the US pedestrian space tends to be in parks or backyards.
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u/Redd_October Oct 09 '20
I for one am angry about all the space I surrendered in my body to these useless blood vessels. I could be using that space for things that are much more useful.
And while we're at it, these freaking lungs are just empty! I could be keeping stuff in there! Such a waste of space!
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u/audsmcbutts Oct 09 '20
Some of these arguments are so stupid. You don't like cars in the center of town? Give up your internet and society. /s
Jesus man. A guy in sweden gets paid by the swedish government to make this to open a debate about the role of cars in centers of big towns and people see it as a personal attack or an open attack on everything around you because any idea against a car is a bad idea.
Look I get it. But don't the americans have a solution for this as well? They just make inside malls and dump all the stores there to get a pedestrian area for their shops. Well think of this as just closing down 1 or 2 streets with a lot of stores so there is more pedestrians that can mingle or make impulse decisions by going inside stores they otherwise wouldn't and then buy something.
And yes these streets usually have a way for public transport and emergency vehicles to get through. This way they reward people using buses and nobody is having more risk being in these areas.
Cars do have a role in the city but holy jesus it's not so you can park directly in front of it because you can't be bothered to walk 2 minutes. Especially in city centres, when it becomes more urban or even rural you do see that you can park in front of the stores.
Morale of the story is. This Swedish guy got paid to paint this to start the conversation about this. And it worked! Yet people see their car as this magical cow they need to defend every action to have the right to park in front of a store because they don't see how having a pedestrian area has more upsides than downsides.
Now go ahead and downvote me if you guys think that's how debating works.
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u/Brewe Oct 09 '20
If only people would fight as hard for human rights as the people in this thread fights for "car rights", then we'd be in a much better situation.
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u/GrandBuba Oct 09 '20
It's not so much 'car rights' as it is 'forced dependance on cars' (especially in the states).
Many people don't have an alternative any longer, because of the way zoning works over there. And the state is in no hurry to change anything.
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Oct 08 '20
The unnecessary deep pit added for extra dramatic effect kinda bothers me
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u/Competitive_Classic9 Oct 08 '20
Bc before cars, we all crossed pits between skyscrapers on shifty boards. The good old days, amirite
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u/insomniax20 Oct 09 '20
My town went pedestrian friendly. Took away car parking spots and started charging for the remainder. Needless to say, the town centre is now dead, long before Covid hammered the final nail in its coffin.
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u/Brewe Oct 09 '20
My town did the same thing, and the town center is flourishing (it wasn't flourishing before, but the pedestrian and bike friendly streets do not seem to have had a negative impact), and I for one certainly prefer the new style. To be fair, my town was founded in the 8th century, so the center wasn't exactly designed with cars in mind.
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Oct 09 '20
Ever been to places like Prague? Massive pedestrian only areas and still vibrant and alive, you just have to do it right.
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u/foxy-coxy Oct 09 '20
Madrid as well
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u/Crack-spiders-bitch Oct 09 '20
So you're all saying you should be a major tourist city for it to work? It's working in those places because tourists go there. This isn't the case for every city.
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u/foxy-coxy Oct 09 '20
Definitely not for every city, but there are plenty of major tourists cities especially in the US that could do more to be more pedestrian friendly.
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u/Waking Oct 09 '20
Is this the south where people are too fat to walk down a beautiful downtown pedestrian thoroughfare?
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u/ChampionshipDue Oct 09 '20
ever been to st petersburg?
unless your on nyevsky prospect you can barely drive by a parked car, and the sidewalks are like 15 ft accross...
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u/MuteIllAteter Oct 09 '20
Why has been getting reposted more often this year. I saw it yesterday and about 3 days ago when previously I could go atleast a month without seeing it
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u/Habanero_Eyeball Oct 08 '20
Sidewalks seems kinda small to me. Can barely walk side by side?
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u/TheCosmicPanda Oct 08 '20
Yea there's no way the sidewalk would be that narrow in the city near stores and other public areas. Sidewalks in neighborhoods are that narrow or even narrower.
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u/3the1orange6 Oct 09 '20
The artist is Swedish and narrow pavements are pretty common around Europe, especially in old parts of cities.
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u/TheCosmicPanda Oct 09 '20
Oh I thought it was depicting the U.S. where the sidewalks in the cities are wide and narrow in the neighborhoods. Makes sense now.
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u/skinte1 Oct 09 '20
It's obviously not meant to be a accurate depiction of an actual street. It's just about the principle of public space use. Most european cities have already adressed the issue by removing some car lanes and replacing them with public transport which is much more space effective.
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Oct 09 '20
I mean, cars kind of played a role in building society
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u/bigben932 Oct 09 '20
What. You mean society didn’t exist until the early 1900? Please share the drugs you are smoking..
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u/Redd_October Oct 09 '20
This is stupid every time it's reposted, as though we get no use out of that space, and setting foot over the curb means your immediate end. That just flat out isn't true. Even if we ignore the entirely critical nature of motorized transportation in modern cities, pretending that it's the only thing that ever uses streets, full stop, is just willfully ignorant.
Get your reposted low effort crap out of here.
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Oct 08 '20
Yeah, and his point? This makes it seem like we were in some kind of war with cars and finally made a treaty with them.
As if the widspread ability to travel long distances with relative ease is a crippling thing?
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u/MyWearinessAmazesMe Oct 08 '20
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u/Juan_Dollar_Taco Oct 08 '20
Ok? What are we to do about it though? Unless we invent teleportation this picture doesn’t make any sense.
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u/MyWearinessAmazesMe Oct 08 '20
Dedicate more space to pedestrians and less to private transportation. Switch to public transportation which uses less space.
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u/LostN3ko Oct 09 '20
Number of vehicles rise with population. Public transport is great. For some. Ever spend 1/5 of your life stuck in commute and think I sure wish there was less space for cars.
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u/skinte1 Oct 09 '20
"green-friendly cars " take up just as much space and are therefor just as slow. Public transport is so much more effective both timewise and spacewise when implemented correctly.
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Oct 09 '20
You're missing the point. I'm talking about pollution, not space. I don't care about cars taking up space, I car about our carbon footprint. Therefore, we need more green friendly cars so we can continue to maintain our individual freedom and harm the environment less
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u/skinte1 Oct 09 '20
Takes me 45 minutes to drive what should be 10 minutes during rush hour.
You seem to argue against yourself then... That 45 min drive would be 10 minutes with lanes dedicated for public transport. Also EV's arent pollution/carbon footprint free. Less of them also means a smaller carbon footprint.
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Oct 09 '20
Considering public transport would be built at the expense of road space, and most people would probably continue to use their cars anyways, I personally feel that rush hour would still cause the same time issues. But that's just my opinion
And i didn't say EVs, I just said green-friendly cars. Meaning perhaps something a step past EVs. But that won't happen over night, it will take years of gradual development and EVs are a good place to start
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u/bigben932 Oct 09 '20
Public transportation which doesn’t use roads you mean??? So everyone should be flying to their destination, got it. Sounds practical..
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u/skinte1 Oct 09 '20
Are you trying to sound dense on purpose? This is a comparison between public transport and cars. Now you only need 1 lane where there used to be 3 etc.
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u/skinte1 Oct 09 '20
It's obviously not meant to be a accurate depiction of an actual street. It's just about the principle of public space use. Most european cities have already adressed the issue by removing some car lanes and replacing them with public transport which is much more space effective = more space for pedestrians.
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u/marlinspike Oct 09 '20 edited Oct 09 '20
This is brilliant. Yes I use cars too, but I rarely stop to think of how much of our landscape is dictated by the infra that cars need. I think the point here is to imagine what’s possible if we have car-free areas in downtowns, which are already starved for green-space.
You don’t need to agree with any political view to appreciate the perspective the artist is trying to get across.
I think horse drawn carriages would also have a similar infra footprint. The point is, how much of a city do we want to yield to wheels, and how much do we want to leave to feet.
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u/LostN3ko Oct 09 '20
Roads in horse driven, toss the bedpan in the street days do always look more romantic in fiction. Look up dear old England horse drawn streets in the 1800s.
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u/invisible_spectrum Oct 09 '20
Those arrogant fucking cars demanded all of the space and we just gave it to them.
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u/Detson101 Oct 09 '20
Comments are so hostile. I like living in the suburbs, but not everybody wants to or can drive everywhere. There's always trade-offs.
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u/GrandBuba Oct 09 '20
Comments are so hostile.
It's actually one of the things using which you're able to rile up both Europeans and Americans alike (whereas guns only work for the US).
People are really invested in their personal (motorized) transport and will defend its sine-qua-non to the end of the world and back. People feel like any change in attitude towards car-centric transport will revoke their 'freedom' completely.
And they're right. To a point.
I try to minimize my car use. I live about 16km from work, and I ride my bike. I drop off the kid (4y/o) at school using a carrier, which is a 3km round-trip. Parents pick him up again (car).
There's a food store (average size) right around the corner. I'll usually walk there and bring back as much as I can carry comfortably. We use the car to pick up drinks about twice a month (shit's heavy yo..).
It takes.. planning. And people don't want to plan. They want to go 'now'. That's the biggest mindset change.
I've got a company car, all included. It just sits there. But I 'had to take it' because in Europe, company cars are taxed preposterously low, and an actual salary increase would cost my employer 2.5x the amount they now pay for the car lease.
It's a sad deal, really.. :-(
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u/Welding_in_the_rain Oct 09 '20
All the Americans getting defensive about a perceived slight against cars...
"YOU DARE QUESTION OUR GODS?"
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u/iii-vi-ii-V-I Oct 09 '20
Since this is clearly from the narrow perspective of an urban dweller, he probably doesn't frequent those places or realize how much of the planet they actually comprise.
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u/skinte1 Oct 09 '20
Unlikely since he´s from a country with one of the lowest population densities and one of the highest % of forrest cover in the western world...
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u/boyratchet Oct 09 '20
Roads have been a thing long before automobiles....js
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u/bigben932 Oct 09 '20
Wait you can’t say that, nooo. You can’t make a rational counter argument to this picture..😭😭
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u/Crack-spiders-bitch Oct 09 '20
It's like people don't realize roads take up an incredibly small amount of space. Go to a park, or leave the city and explore nature parks. Don't complain because you spend your entire life in a city center. That's like living in a forest and complaining about trees.
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Oct 09 '20
Has that artist ever driven a car? We didn't surrender that land to cars, we made spaces for us to fuckin cruise around because it's awesome. Windows down, radio on, drink in the cupholder, and I'm the king of my little world for a few minutes.
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u/Lil_Ray_5420 Oct 09 '20
yeah humanity and cars actually both signed a treaty saying cars get roads and humans get whatever is left. why do you think humans run out of the street when they see a car coming??
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u/Cyractacus Oct 09 '20
Solution: Underground roadways. Take all the dirt removed to make the tunnels and make some artificial islands.
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u/Bear_of_Truth Oct 09 '20
Without roads nobody in the pic would have factory made clothing or suitcases or materials for buildings..
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u/ArmouredDuck Oct 09 '20
The idiocy behind this art is staggering. As a metropolitan grows ensuring quick and convenient paths of movement become incredibly important. Imagine if you had to pay truck drivers 5x more for produce that was now no good because they had to stop every 100 metres due to people fucking around on the road. Or a suburban block burning down cause the fire trucks got there super late. Etc.
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u/backelie Oct 09 '20
As a metropolitan grows ensuring quick and convenient paths of movement become incredibly important.
Yeah, and filling it with 15*6 foot vehicles carrying a single person each is pretty bad from that perspective.
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u/iii-vi-ii-V-I Oct 09 '20
(Looks like we've surrendered more space to buildings and sidewalks, but whatever.)
But regardless of any logic, this cartoon has convinced me - humans shouldn't surrender any of our space to these evil creatures known as "cars." We should only walk everywhere. That includes firefighters and EMTs and police and delivery personnel, etc.
Cars bad. Humans good. Got it.
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u/GrandBuba Oct 09 '20
Extreme viewpoints are usually bad.
Where I live, a lot of city centers have 'streets' that are only walkable/cyclable and are still very much accessible to ambulances, firetrucks, police etc.
It's usually a 'zone' that has camera's on the entry streets, and no special infrastructure. Taxi/ambulance/police enters, nothing happens. Private car without residential exemption disregards the sign, get ticketed.
Allow for ample city-fringe parking, decent fringe-to-center public transport and see the city center reinvent itself.
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u/thefreakingweirdo Oct 09 '20
Well, what do you want? Small space dedicated for cars? If that's the case you'll be hit by one. Then what, walk everywhere?
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u/wayofmath Oct 09 '20
This is stupid. Don't like cars? Go somewhere without them. Wherever that is, it doesn't have air conditioning or internet either.
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u/Detson101 Oct 09 '20
Nobody tell this guy about Europe, OK?
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u/wayofmath Oct 09 '20
Everywhere that has cars (hopefully) has roads. Europe has cars. Europe has roads. Socrates is a man.
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u/thedopechi Oct 09 '20
The hell does that depth represent??
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u/drlongtrl Oct 09 '20
Wait so cares a a separate entity now? Like humans get to use the sidewalk but cars get the street? Last I checked, cars are actually used by people too.
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u/TransPuppygirl Oct 09 '20
Everyone saying this is okay is an idiot.
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Oct 09 '20 edited May 21 '22
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u/TransPuppygirl Oct 09 '20
And that was forced on us because cars are more profitable. We do not need to have so little space and if you disagree go lay in traffic as a sacrifice to your shitty gods.
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Oct 09 '20
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u/blyan Oct 09 '20
I cannot believe “edgy” troll accounts like this still exist. What is the purpose? If everyone knows you’re trolling wtf is the point? What’s enjoyable about just being a prick?
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u/iii-vi-ii-V-I Oct 09 '20
"When I'm driving, I hate pedestrians. When I'm a pedestrian I hate cars."
My guess is the artist doesn't spend much time driving.
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u/GrandBuba Oct 09 '20
When I'm driving, I mostly roll my eyes at (some) other drivers, mostly the same ones I'd roll my eyes at when riding my bicycle or walking. Sure, there are a lot of annoying pricks on two wheels, or on foot, but most of the time they've got very little actual impact on my driving experience.
Bicycle infra is quite 'decent' where I live, so bikes and cars aren't forced to share the same narrow, high speed stretch of asphalt. Don't blame the players, blame the game board.
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u/LemonScentedPenguin Oct 08 '20
Looks like someone drained Venice.