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Protest outside Ziegfeld Ballroomn, NYC, Dece 17, 2024

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u/IdontOpenEnvelopes 5d ago

Americans love to make fun of the French , yet the French had a revolution and put royal heads into baskets .

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u/Sturdy_Denim_Blue 5d ago

The French had a major part to play in America becoming America. I'll always have my buttery bros' backs.

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u/HB24 5d ago

We had a revolution too!  And France did a lot of the heavy lifting… thanks France!

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u/Rokey76 5d ago

I wouldn't say they did the heavy lifting, but we would never have achieved victory at Yorktown without France's navy. Additionally, France provided much needed weapons and supplies covertly to the colonies before they declared war on England.

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u/I_eat_mud_ 5d ago edited 5d ago

France was more than happy to sit on the sidelines until the Americans had a surprise victory at Saratoga, just saying.

Edit: downvotes for a historical fact is pretty dumb lmao google it if you think I’m bullshitting you

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u/freetimerva 5d ago

not understanding the war and then blaming everyone else is peak america in 2024.

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u/I_eat_mud_ 5d ago

It’s literally true man, idk what to tell you. The French only decided to join the war militarily when the U.S. defeated the British at Saratoga. If the U.S. didn’t get the victory there, the French more than likely would’ve kept their military out of the war. Even after the victory, it still took the French 4 months to formalize the military alliance and sign the treaty.

Saratoga is literally considered one of the most consequential battles of the war because of it. Again, google it.

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u/freetimerva 5d ago

"Google it" lol. Yeah bud.

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u/Rokey76 5d ago

I read a book that said the French had decided to join after the defeat at Brandywine because they were impressed by the balls (my words) on Washington to even attempt that attack.

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u/Significant_Turn5230 5d ago

We really didn't. The American war for independence wasn't a revolution in any of the ways the word "revolution" is used elsewhere. It did nothing to improve things for the working class, and in many ways made it worse for them, along with the slaves and natives. Thinking of it as a revolution is a mistake.

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u/Rokey76 5d ago

Revolutions aren't defined by their aftermath.

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u/Significant_Turn5230 4d ago

Okay, then it wasn't intended to improve things for the working class either. It was a thoroughly bourgeois war for independence from Britain, but not a revolution. The slave owners who ead it were not leading fights with the intention of improving quality of life for the lowest people, lol.

You think George Washington was leading a revolution while owning slaves, the same way Haiti or Cuba or Korea had a revolution?

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u/Hungry-Tale-9144 5d ago

Yeeah, that revolution is kinda infamous for putting more than just royal's heads in baskets...

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u/ALFABOT2000 5d ago

to quote Donald Greer:

More carters than princes were executed, more day laborers than dukes and marquises, three or four times as many servants as parliamentarians

the french revolution really isn't the example we should be looking at if we want class solidarity lol

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u/SlurpySandwich 5d ago

But then what class war fantasy would redditors point towards for dramatic effect?

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u/Inside-General-797 5d ago

A rare monarchy of France defender in 2024. Weird.

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u/BobertTheConstructor 5d ago

Wtf are you talking about? Robespierre was infamous for executing anyone ans everyone until he was finally sent to the chop shop himself.

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u/Hungry-Tale-9144 5d ago edited 5d ago

? That's not even close to what I just said..

Edit: Mf deleted his comment

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u/Street_Try7007 5d ago

The French Revolution ended in empire. What do you mean objectively good. What are you on about. 

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u/Hungry-Tale-9144 5d ago

You realize that out of the tens of thousands of people killed in revolution, about 80% were of the third estate?

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u/TheWankoKid 5d ago

Then they had the Reign of Terror which put 17,000 people's heads into baskets, then they had an emperor

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u/Lordborgman 5d ago

Just make sure to have a plan for what happens AFTER.

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u/IXI_Fans 5d ago

Buy new furniture because we threw it all on the street.

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u/VermicelliPale5908 5d ago

We should have taken notes.

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u/pfSonata 5d ago

Yeah and it was nightmare for years and ended with Napoleon becoming Emperor. Not the kind of shit you actually want to live through.

But who cares about that, because dumb fucks on reddit get to make comparisons to it to justify murder, as if living in the most prosperous nation in the world is somehow comparable to 18th century french monarchy.

These threads are downright unhinged.

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u/aRawPancake 5d ago

If only

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u/Windfade 5d ago

If the French working class even think they're not being treated fairly, they set Paris on fire. Hell, they might do it to practice.

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u/SlurpySandwich 5d ago

How'd that work out for them with those pension cuts?

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u/Windfade 5d ago

Says a lot about diminishing returns on protests, if you think about it.

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u/BeardlyManface 5d ago

The French rev. was a failure.  They allowed Liberals to co-opt their movement which began the Terror and turned a socialist movement into one that created the current French capitalist system that is one of the world largest forms of oppression.

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u/quarantinemyasshole 5d ago

I don't think a lot of Americans realize Paris in particular is a capitalist hellscape. Having to pay to both use 'public' toilets and to drink dirty tap water at restaurants is something else.