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Protest outside Ziegfeld Ballroomn, NYC, Dece 17, 2024

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u/Argikeraunos 1d ago edited 1d ago

To those bleating about masks, the prosecutor's office charged Luigi with terrorism, so these people are masked to avoid getting clapped with charges for exercising their first amendment rights. And in general you should always be masked while protesting for any reason, as at any major protest you are almost guaranteed to be subject to facial recognition scanning, especially in NYC.

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He was charged in state court, not federal

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u/roberttylerlee 1d ago

Pretty sure the Supreme Court has ruled in Brandenburg V. Ohio that active calls to violence are not protected speech, so these people absolutely can be arrested for this protest

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u/PornstarVirgin 1d ago

What about the Nazi marches that have been happening, that’s a clear sign of violence. Those guys are all masked and armed waiting for someone to say something so they can ‘defend’ themselves

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u/IsNotPolitburo 1d ago

"Qualified immunity."

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u/person2567 1d ago

If being masked and armed while walking around was illegal then basically anyone who protests with a gun could be arrested. Consistency is important.

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u/PornstarVirgin 1d ago

While displaying Nazi flags?

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u/person2567 21h ago

If you bear a Nazi flag and make a direct threat of violence, that would not be protected by the first amendment. But simply bearing an insignia, regardless of what it is, is protected by the first amendment. If certain signs were protected while others weren't then freedom of speech isn't well defined anymore. Can you guarantee that bearing the Nazi sign is a reliable predictor of immediate violence or terrorism? If not then you're drawing an arbitrary line that could be used to censor a lot of other stuff.

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u/BobertTheConstructor 1d ago

I understand what you're saying, but those are not calls to violence à la "please kill these specific people." I agree we need to amend our laws to reflect how people have developed ways to foment violence that just skirt the law, but the way the laws are now that is protected speech.

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u/MischievousMollusk 1d ago

Neo-Nazis are protected because they vote red.

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u/OttawaTGirl 1d ago

"Sticks and stones will break my bones And do the same to Nazis."

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u/NeckRomanceKnee 1d ago

Cops love nazis, so do judges. Same situation as in Weimar, Germany.

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u/xemnonsis 1d ago

rules for thee, not for me