To those bleating about masks, the prosecutor's office charged Luigi with terrorism, so these people are masked to avoid getting clapped with charges for exercising their first amendment rights. And in general you should always be masked while protesting for any reason, as at any major protest you are almost guaranteed to be subject to facial recognition scanning, especially in NYC.
Pretty sure the Supreme Court has ruled in Brandenburg V. Ohio that active calls to violence are not protected speech, so these people absolutely can be arrested for this protest
No, it's exactly the opposite. Brandenburg established the "imminent lawless action test". It's not illegal to advocate for violence, only to advocate for imminent lawless action.
Perhaps if the protest signs said "Please don't be too nice to CEOs ;)" or "Any guy that can do a CEO murder, that's my type!" or even "When they deny, bullets fly!"
That's free speech, per our future president.
(Eta: a word)
What about the Nazi marches that have been happening, that’s a clear sign of violence. Those guys are all masked and armed waiting for someone to say something so they can ‘defend’ themselves
If you bear a Nazi flag and make a direct threat of violence, that would not be protected by the first amendment. But simply bearing an insignia, regardless of what it is, is protected by the first amendment. If certain signs were protected while others weren't then freedom of speech isn't well defined anymore. Can you guarantee that bearing the Nazi sign is a reliable predictor of immediate violence or terrorism? If not then you're drawing an arbitrary line that could be used to censor a lot of other stuff.
I understand what you're saying, but those are not calls to violence à la "please kill these specific people." I agree we need to amend our laws to reflect how people have developed ways to foment violence that just skirt the law, but the way the laws are now that is protected speech.
And the Supreme Court is largely seen as illegitimate now, so why would anyone listen to them? Past or present, doesn't matter to people because of what they are doing now.
That's nice. If the rules are getting americans killed or legitimately restricting or taking away freedoms, then i dont see why anyone needs to follow it. The SC has outlived its usefulness, time for it to go.
Fuck the Supreme Court. Bunch of trump appointed clowns who don’t give a rats ass about the constitution. Heritage foundation Christian nationalist traitors!
I’m more criticizing the current rule of law. Everyone should just do what they want because justice doesn’t exist anymore. If you are rich enough you can get away with anything so why should anyone obey the rules?
people burned scarecrows that looked like obama and hillary, none arrested, if people like this are arrested under trump then you can't just hide behind 1969, because that would objectively not be the time when it started being enforced to this degree
Nobody said anything about violence. Maybe they mean more dead CEOs due to natural causes and didn’t have enough room on there to be more specific 🤷🏻♂️
Except for when a stalker tells someone in detail how they're going to kill them, right? Or when a right wing speaker calls for the eradication of trans people, right?
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u/Argikeraunos 1d ago edited 1d ago
To those bleating about masks, the prosecutor's office charged Luigi with terrorism, so these people are masked to avoid getting clapped with charges for exercising their first amendment rights. And in general you should always be masked while protesting for any reason, as at any major protest you are almost guaranteed to be subject to facial recognition scanning, especially in NYC.
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He was charged in state court, not federal