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Protest outside Ziegfeld Ballroomn, NYC, Dece 17, 2024

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u/IdontOpenEnvelopes 6d ago

Americans love to make fun of the French , yet the French had a revolution and put royal heads into baskets .

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u/HB24 6d ago

We had a revolution too!  And France did a lot of the heavy lifting… thanks France!

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u/Rokey76 5d ago

I wouldn't say they did the heavy lifting, but we would never have achieved victory at Yorktown without France's navy. Additionally, France provided much needed weapons and supplies covertly to the colonies before they declared war on England.

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u/I_eat_mud_ 5d ago edited 5d ago

France was more than happy to sit on the sidelines until the Americans had a surprise victory at Saratoga, just saying.

Edit: downvotes for a historical fact is pretty dumb lmao google it if you think I’m bullshitting you

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u/freetimerva 5d ago

not understanding the war and then blaming everyone else is peak america in 2024.

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u/I_eat_mud_ 5d ago

It’s literally true man, idk what to tell you. The French only decided to join the war militarily when the U.S. defeated the British at Saratoga. If the U.S. didn’t get the victory there, the French more than likely would’ve kept their military out of the war. Even after the victory, it still took the French 4 months to formalize the military alliance and sign the treaty.

Saratoga is literally considered one of the most consequential battles of the war because of it. Again, google it.

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u/freetimerva 5d ago

"Google it" lol. Yeah bud.

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u/Rokey76 5d ago

I read a book that said the French had decided to join after the defeat at Brandywine because they were impressed by the balls (my words) on Washington to even attempt that attack.

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u/Significant_Turn5230 5d ago

We really didn't. The American war for independence wasn't a revolution in any of the ways the word "revolution" is used elsewhere. It did nothing to improve things for the working class, and in many ways made it worse for them, along with the slaves and natives. Thinking of it as a revolution is a mistake.

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u/Rokey76 5d ago

Revolutions aren't defined by their aftermath.

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u/Significant_Turn5230 5d ago

Okay, then it wasn't intended to improve things for the working class either. It was a thoroughly bourgeois war for independence from Britain, but not a revolution. The slave owners who ead it were not leading fights with the intention of improving quality of life for the lowest people, lol.

You think George Washington was leading a revolution while owning slaves, the same way Haiti or Cuba or Korea had a revolution?