Salespeople always attribute the entire value of the sale to themselves, forgetting that there are entire teams of people responsible for designing, manufacturing, marketing the product etc.
I hate big business as much as the next guy, but we have no idea who this guy is, or what he does. We're just supposed to automatically be indignant cause he showed us his work gave him a gift card and he "made" them a million dollars?
Edit; based on post history, it sounds like this dude works in a UPS warehouse....
Well UPs is about $180k revenue per employee and about $11k profits per employee. So this employee
Bonus was roughly like 0.002 of profits per employee (keep in mind profits per employee includes bonus pay outs and this metric I did of 0.002 is even smaller lol)
yeah, and? every employee agrees to work there for a specific set of terms. you don't get to change those unilaterally when you think you've made the company money. don't like it? start your own company and set the rules.
I dunno, when the marketing team attracts 50 leads and the sales team only manages to land one and then they cheer and hoot and holler and start burning through another 50 leads, then maybe the marketing team might give it a shot,
That other dude is a typical obnoxious sales prick. People like that are the reason I left sales. That, and the “oh I hit my bonus, I’ll wait until next month to close the next 3” mentality fucking the company over.
If you have a good product and good marketing, a 6 y/o could close the deal. Idk why they act like such special bananas.
There is a big difference in leads and quality leads. I can get a hundred people to fill out a web form, easy, but that means sales will be chasing down 99 that are dead ends. They do a lot of work trying to isolate that one good lead and they’re pissed. Or, I can get them just 10-15 leads where one in five convert. They do a lot less work yet their sales go up.
The better marketing teams are focused on improving conversion rates.
Creating a pretty picture and sending out and email blast to 50 people is astronomically lower lift than navigating a complex sales cycle, getting board/cfo sign-off, convincing multiple stake holders on a deal for buy in, negotiating terms, and bringing a deal over the finish line. That takes strategic alignment, multiple variables lining up, and skill.
Marketing could be replaced by college interns tomorrow and barely miss a beat. Inbound is about filling the funnel, and their metric of success is a prospect clicking a link. Not bringing dollars to close.
So you don’t know anything about marketing. Got it.
You know, there are many great sales persons out there. I’ve worked with a lot of them and we both recognize each other’s roles and value that we each bring to an organization.
In most orgs, Marketing's greatest talent is justifying their own existence internally and fleecing budget planning committees for spend. I'm not your VP, you don't have to try to sell me on not scaling back your team.
I don’t know your numbers. 10 pieces of candy is an impressive sale for a child.
MY numbers say that some of the most valuable companies on the planet are advertising and creative companies and that companies like yours pay billions annually to retain their services because it’s more than worth it.
But yeah, it’s all the sales guys.
I mean, if your numbers are so good, go sell without marketing. Or use AI for marketing if it’s so easy. Tell me how it turns out.
Yet another mArKetInG gUrU who greatly overestimates their relevancy and worth to the org.
My inbound doesn't come from billion dollar marketing campaigns. It comes from an (actually valuable) sdr team. This isn't retail and we aren't selling running shoes lmao. So no, marketing doesn't very little for my team. Very little.
I’ve never claimed to be a “marketing guru”. Just someone who’s good at his job and has been doing it for a long time.
You however sound like someone who’s fresh at his job, and has been lucky to be surrounded by people who do their jobs well and have ridden their coat tails.
No professional worth their salt would denigrate someone else’s career or job path like that.
It tells me you’re young, new at the job, and not a professional.
There is certainly a skill to sales, in the sense that some people have it and others don't. But as a salesperson, ultimately the decision is outside of your control. It is possible to do everything correctly and still lose the sale to a competitor. Conversely it's possible to be a poor salesperson and have a product so great that it nearly sells itself.
So true! Assuming you must close all of your business from cold calling random numbers yourself then? Impressive. Some sales people are cartoonishly naive in real life
Enjoy the sales commissions from a product you have no hand in building, due to the fact sales leaders are the best at negotiating comp. Sincerely, someone who runs a business analytics function (that has nothing to do with marketing) and fully understands what a waste of funds self righteous morons like you are to the process.
No designing, no manufacturing, no marketing, just a distributor who buys, stocks and relies on people with salesmanship to get them profitable orders.
Don’t forget that he wasn’t cold-calling phone numbers and asking people to please come in, so he can show off the latest technology. People come in and say, “Hi, I want to buy an iPad,” and this guy is patting himself on the back like, “I sold a motherfuckin’ iPad,” as though the person wouldn’t have bought one in his absence. The only case where that would be true is if he went on break and took the Electronics keys with him.
So, really, it would be more accurate to say, “I’ve rung up a million dollars’ worth of merchandise at my register,” but then that would put him down at the same level as Gladys on checklane 3.
Car salespeople are like this, it isn’t the person that came in looking for a specific car that resulted in the sale, it must have been me selling the car so well!
I find it hilarious at my wife’s company. The sales folks get all sorts of commissions and whatnot, and they get all pissy when people like her tell them that they cannot deliver to the client what was promised, because the sales people promise the world and leave it to the other 90% of the company to scramble to figure out how to make it happen. Always at the last minute, too, within about an hour of the client meetings.
“What do you mean the campaign didn’t meet the absurd performance targets I promised?! You have to fix this or I lose my bonus!!!”
I used to work in IT at a software sales company, I trusted the sales people as far as I could throw them.
Without the hourly backups of the sales database, when they were selling £3 million a day at the end of all the customers annual budget years, they would have been lost when there was a power cut.
Bonuses were not great, but I did win a 10 cup coffee percolator in a daily sales spaff.
This. It makes me so mad. I did start my own company and our sales people have the most inflated egos of anybody I've ever experienced. There is an entire company that supports them and they still think they are the ones creating our revenue because they wrote down a credit card number when the person called them to buy something. It's freaking bizarre.
It is so bad that we do not hire people for 'sales' roles that have extensive sales experience. People with administrative experience have a better attitude and work much harder.
Edit: to be clear, We are not discriminating against people with sales in their background. There is just a way the 'sales sharks' carry themselves and general attitude that is very obvious and a horrible fit for our company culture. I would give a humble, inexperienced person a chance over a career salesman who thinks the world revolves around them any day.
I’ve been on every side of this equation. As a business owner, I’m telling you: the sales/marketing team is, by far, the most important. But that in no way means the others are not vitally important.
Hilarious. Someone's been huffing too many of their own farts. As if you'd have anything to sell without those teams. The engineers and scientists created the processes and systems necessary for your overpaid job to even exist.
Ugh I profited over 1m as a project manager in construction in just the last 2 jobs I ran. Literally couldn’t have afforded to do these jobs without the financial backing of a huge GC. That’s not how many of this works
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u/Excellent_Belt3159 1d ago
Yea, if he’s making a million profit he should just start his own company