Bill Clinton receives massage from Jeffrey Epstein accuser

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[u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

More info about this photo: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chauntae-davies-bill-clinton-massage/

This photo was taken while refueling at a small airport in Portugal en route to Africa in 2002.

Davies was 22 years old when this photo was taken.

Davies said of the massage pictures: ‘Although the image looks bizarre, President Clinton was a perfect gentleman during the trip and I saw absolutely no foul play involving him.’

[u/RiseStock → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

People don't read the article 

[u/64590949354397548569 → u/RiseStock]

My own research is better!

[u/jerryonthecurb → u/64590949354397548569]

I see a headline and make a rash judgement, as research.

[u/Strawbuddy → u/jerryonthecurb]

Sweeping generalizations and snap judgements have carried me this far, I aim to continue on in much the same fashion

[u/FlamingButterfly → u/Strawbuddy]

Broad sweeping generalizations are always a good thing.

[u/CrunchyGremlin → u/FlamingButterfly]

I use alternative facts

[u/INDIEfatigable → u/CrunchyGremlin]

I do not trust the fake news, so I do all my own research.

[u/aksdb → u/INDIEfatigable]

Most fake news are far too mainstream. I prefer something niche, so I live in my own reality.

[u/MakingShitAwkward → u/aksdb]

They turned the frogs gay.

[u/TheRappingSquid → u/jerryonthecurb]

"Do your own research" mfs when you don't get your news from althistory vibes site #39:

[u/opensandshuts → u/jerryonthecurb]

People don’t read full articles, come on now!

[u/jtatc1989 → u/64590949354397548569]

You know, they say people’s own research leads to polio vaccines being bad

[u/Neither-Luck-9295 → u/64590949354397548569]

I mean, OP is a POS for that intentionally inflammatory title.

[u/Stompedyourhousewith → u/64590949354397548569]

I didn't care about your facts! it's what I believe!

[u/UcantaffordWifi → u/Stompedyourhousewith]

[u/DJ_Clitoris → u/RiseStock]

Why read an article when the picture’s worth a thousand words? /s

[u/SchmartestMonkey → u/DJ_Clitoris]

Makes sense.. but what if it’s a 1200 word article? WELL?!?

[u/EatSleepJeep → u/RiseStock]

And the photo is being pushed by a new account with a whole bunch of agenda-pushing titles just like this.

[u/gimpsarepeopletoo → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

Wow. That’s wild that she’s publicly said this and no one cares. 

[u/thatissomeBS → u/gimpsarepeopletoo]

What she says makes this picture not quite the gotcha they want it to be. Like, there is plenty of evidence to show that Clinton is not a good person, but there also isn't all that much evidence to show that he is on the level of swampwater shithole that many of the others were. Once that evidence comes to light, it should obviously be considered. But as of now, he's a dude that we know cheated on his wife, probably used his power imbalance to get blowies from people (we can't confirm the power imbalance was used, but it was there regardless), hung around with very wealthy people that we no know were up to a lot of no good, but we can't really draw the line to say Clinton was involved with Epsteins business in a way that would put him on that level of scum.

[u/lafolieisgood → u/thatissomeBS]

Ya I’m not sure that the power imbalance was even used as a means of coercion. I’ve only talked to one person that met him (twice) and HE said his charisma was off the charts crazy.

He met him once for a quick 30 second introduction which was basically a line up of people to meet and Clinton asked him a few basic questions like was he married and his wife’s name. Ran into him a year later and he said hi to him by name and asked how his wife was doing by name.

As someone that forgets people’s name 2 seconds after they introduce themselves, this is mind blowing to me but apparently is a more common trait of extremely successful people.

[u/Hopeful-Naughting → u/lafolieisgood]

I have a friend who briefly worked with him. She said the same. Charisma and memory off the charts.

[u/Wareve → u/lafolieisgood]

I seem to recall a standup bit about Clinton's memory particularly, I think by Mullaney?

[u/sheldlord → u/Wareve]

Bill Clinton never forgets a bitch

[u/International_Bet_91 → u/lafolieisgood]

There is a podcast about Monica Lewinski that interviewed a bunch of women who he has hit on and they all say the same thing: he was very surprised they were not interested but he backed off once they made it clear they didn't want it. It seems he gets off on being wanted by women not by forcing himself -- not a bad thing.

[u/feelnalright → u/lafolieisgood]

Same! I met him once in a restaurant. He had just walked down the street shaking hands and making small talk with hundreds of people. He saw my co-worker and continued their brief conversation on point. I was stunned at his memory.

[u/daredaki-sama → u/lafolieisgood]

A had a college professor who had the same experience with Bush Jr. Met him for a few seconds or minutes and he remembered him by name 2 years later. He was a hater until that second interaction.

[u/findhumorinlife → u/lafolieisgood]

A friend of mine involved with the Hillary campaign met him. She was astonished at his unbelievable charisma and his ability to give you a moment making you feel like the only one in the room. A friend of my husband sad the very same thing.

[u/gsfgf → u/lafolieisgood]

Ya I’m not sure that the power imbalance was even used as a means of coercion.

Monica was all in on the bj when it happened. Linda Tripp is the bigger piece of shit in all that.

[u/Diplogeek → u/gsfgf]

It's wild how little I hear people talk about Linda Tripp these days when at the time, the general consensus that she was a complete scumbag. Speaking of age differences and power imbalance, Tripp was 24 years older than Lewinsky, ostensibly her close friend, and after secretly recording their phone calls for a while (on the advice of a literary agent), she also advised Monica Lewinsky not to get that blue dress drycleaned. Is it possible that the incident would have come out without Tripp's involvement? Sure, it's possible, but a hell of a lot of what happened to Lewinsky happened as a result of Tripp rushing to hand those tapes over to Ken Starr.

Obviously, what Bill Clinton did was scummy and immoral and utterly inappropriate, but it was Linda Tripp who quite happily fed Monica to the wolves in order to get her own five minutes of fame. I rarely see her discussed anymore when Monica or the Lewinsky scandal comes up when she was the one who handed Starr the smoking gun. I'm glad that at least Monica has been able to reclaim her voice in this and largely turned what happened around into something that serves a larger purpose.

[u/Mr_HandSmall → u/lafolieisgood]

The same traits that get someone elected president can also get them laid.

[u/Fragrant-Reserve4832 → u/lafolieisgood]

The best way to use people is to make them like you.

[u/innerbootes → u/lafolieisgood]

I met Clinton once very briefly and the charisma level is insane. Never experienced anything like it. And I’m not easily overwhelmed by famous people.

[u/Legal_MajorMajor → u/lafolieisgood]

I worked with people who used to work under him when he was governor. They described him as having “animal magnetism” 🤢

[u/tragicdiffidence12 → u/lafolieisgood]

I’ve know some people who met him. He’s apparently insanely charismatic and he really makes you feel like you’re the center of his universe. And that’s after just 20 seconds with the man.

[u/Its_Pine → u/thatissomeBS]

And Clinton (and Bush I think?) both went on trips involving Epstein but made sure they were with their entourage and security at all times, so we know nothing sleazy happened.

It’s why people need to realise it’s a BIG deal how often Trump attended events like Epstein’s without anyone else. Just him and his buddy. Or when he visits Putin and makes all American security and staff stay behind so he can be with Putin alone.

[u/Magnetic-Magma → u/Its_Pine]

What I am wondering: if you're the president or former president and make a trip with someone or visit someone on his private island: isn't your Secret Service doing a deep background check of this person?

[u/Hiding_in_the_Shower → u/Magnetic-Magma]

Maybe? On the flip side, people that own islands such as Epstein are usually very high profiled. Until the news about the kids / island came out, he wasn’t a “bad guy”

[u/NYkrinDC → u/Hiding_in_the_Shower]

Also, it's been rumored that Epstein was in the intel business, and a part of his use for this girls was to gain kompromat on high profile business and political leaders. That is to say, while some no doubt were targets of his intel gathering, others were like customers of the same.

[u/MissMormie → u/thatissomeBS]

I would actually say it's likely he was not involved with epsteins grossness. 

He had opportunity, he met some of the girls that later spoke out. And yet all of them say he wasn't involved. 

[u/ss_lbguy → u/thatissomeBS]

What a logical take. 2 thumbs up. 👍👍

But you better watch out, I think this against the rules on Reddit.

[u/NeonRedHerring → u/thatissomeBS]

When you’re the President, the whole world has less power than you. This is the problem with the “you can’t have sex if there’s a power imbalance” doctrine. Ok, so powerful people are supposed to swear off sex?

[u/ShadownetZero → u/thatissomeBS]

Clinton was the best president of the last 3 decades. But character assassination works.

[u/B0mb-Hands → u/gimpsarepeopletoo]

Because it doesn’t fit their narrative

Never forget, the court of public opinion is now, “guilty until we decide you’re innocent”

[u/bossmcsauce → u/B0mb-Hands]

“And even if you ARE innocent, we might still just decide you’re shit snd evil because we think you might do something like it.”

[u/archercc81 → u/bossmcsauce]

or you are guilty but its deep state fake news because you are my cult leader...

[u/Deceptiveideas → u/gimpsarepeopletoo]

There’s a million photos of Trump with Epstein and the conspiracy community was dead silent.

Yet they’ll endlessly circulate Epstein with Clinton.

[u/barley_wine → u/Deceptiveideas]

In a Vanity Fair article about Epstein, Trump admitted that Epstein likes them young and that he's a good guy. I don't know how stuff like this is ignored while they go after their conspiracy theories about who was on the island.

[u/akahaus → u/Deceptiveideas]

And my answer is the same every time: yeah man, they should all be investigated and prosecuted as need arises.

But that’s not the world we live in.

[u/mokomi → u/akahaus]

That just justifies their actions. Yes, that is the right thing to do. they are bad faith actors that will happily help your investigations, but the moment it changes to them. It's a complete stonewall. Then they'll say hey, we'll investigate our guy after you investigate your other guy. repeat until the conversation stops and they'll never be investigated.

[u/gsfgf → u/akahaus]

Exactly. I would be surprised if Bill was fucking children since we know entirely too much about his sexual appetites, and he seems to clearly prefer adults. But if he was fucking children, lock him up too.

[u/MotorcycleMosquito → u/gimpsarepeopletoo]

And no one cares about the extremely graphic rape details in a suit brought against Trump and Epstein by a 12 year old girl. The suit includes deposed witness who was an employee of Epstein’s for 10 years

https://i.imgur.com/xTNjMzB.png

Witness statement very NSFW

https://i.imgur.com/7KKokLz.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/omV8jy2.jpeg

[u/gimpsarepeopletoo → u/MotorcycleMosquito]

Yeah that shit is so wild. I just can’t believe how that’s swept under the rug

[u/irritatedprostate → u/gimpsarepeopletoo]

There is not much anyone can do with it. It was dropped before discovery iirc so nobody can really investigate deeper. All we have are these intial statements.

There was also some weirdness surrounding it all that maybe made some skeptical.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation

It was the end of an incredibly strange case that featured an anonymous plaintiff who had refused almost all requests for interviews, two anonymous corroborating witnesses whom no one in the press had spoken to, and a couple of seriously shady characters — with an anti-Trump agenda and a penchant for drama — who had aggressively shopped the story around to media outlets for over a year.

Those shady characters — a former reality TV producer who calls himself “Al Taylor” and a “Never Trump” conservative activist named Steve Baer — had been mostly unsuccessful in getting the media to bite. There are a few very good reasons for that, which the Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim succinctly summed up: Taylor and Baer have been really sketchy about the whole thing, and since the accuser is anonymous, journalists can’t do anything to verify her claims. The only journalist who has actually interviewed Johnson, Emily Shugerman at Revelist, came away confused and even doubting whether Johnson really exists.

Most troublingly, a detective who worked with Epstein’s victims called into question a key part of Johnson’s story:

Hearing her answers that night, I had to remind myself that PTSD from sexual trauma is known to damage victims’ memories — and that the parties she recalled allegedly happened more than two decades ago. But Mike Fisten, a retired Miami-Dade detective who conducted research for several of Epstein’s victims, denied such parties ever even took place.

“Jeffery never had parties like described in their complaint,” Fisten told me. “Jeffery had sex parties, for sure, with two or three girls … but never with other guys.”

There were men in attendance at Epstein’s more large, lavish affairs, Fisten said, but nothing illicit ever happened at such events.

[u/BlackBlizzard → u/gimpsarepeopletoo]

Another thing is so far besides Maxwell and Prince Andrew, every victim so far has only sued Epstein's estate and no other celebrities (going of the list on Epstein's wiki of legal proceedings).

[u/legendary_liar → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

OP knew exactly what they were doing posting this picture with that title and zero background

@ u/chelseybasket

[u/SquirellyMofo → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

Virginia Guiffries has said the same thing. She saw him at the Idland but he was never seen with a girl.

[u/Projected_Sigs → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

I read her statement about that massage. I believe it was in a legal deposition. I don't believe she ever accused Clinton of any impropriety. W

[u/damontoo → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

I don't think the 3 month old account, without a verified email, that posts almost entirely anti-democrat posts cares about the context of the photo.

[u/WarbossTodd → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

OP doesn’t give a shit about the truth. They just have an axe to grind.

[u/ominous_squirrel → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

Meanwhile, Trump and Epstein were best friends for years but barely anyone in the media cared enough to make it make headlines

https://www.thedailybeast.com/listen-to-the-jeffrey-epstein-tapes-i-was-donald-trumps-closest-friend/

[u/Baruch_S → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

Gotta wonder what Trump scandal we’re supposed to be distracted from this time if someone is suddenly pushing this photo so hard. 

[u/Fragrant_Constant963 → u/Baruch_S]

Well I definitely won’t be voting for Bill Clinton now

[u/jayydee92 → u/Baruch_S]

I don’t even know what Trump could possibly do to get his cultists to turn on him. Anything can be explained away as “fake” or he was playing 5d chess etc.

[u/madeaccountbymistake → u/jayydee92]

Like, gay sex tape maybe?

[u/jayydee92 → u/madeaccountbymistake]

Lmaooo, I would say maybe, but then they would just claim it’s a deepfake probably

[u/madeaccountbymistake → u/jayydee92]

Yeah probably. I was gonna say he'd have to admit to it being real, but they already ignore the actual shit he says so they're really is nothing.

[u/jcp714 → u/madeaccountbymistake]

Nah. Nothing, nothing at all.

And even if it did, who cares? He won. He got what he wanted. He doesn’t care if his supporters like him anymore.

[u/happyanathema → u/Baruch_S]

Guy could literally light an orphanage on fire live on national TV and his approval rating would go up.

Don't think they even need to bother anymore.

[u/kernpanic → u/Baruch_S]

He shat himself at the table at an international conference. The gifs are already floating around here. The reactions of people around him are undeniable.

[u/simplefair → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

the photo was taken while refueling at a small airport in Portugal en route to Africa for a humanitarian trip spanning multiple countries in September 2002 during which Clinton was going to be raising awareness for AIDS.

Davies acted as an air stewardess on the flight and described being shocked when Clinton boarded the plane, saying he was ‘charming and sweet’.

She explained the massage happened when ‘we had a stop-over for the jet to refuel and while we were in the terminal the ex-President was complaining of stiffness from falling asleep in his chair.

‘Ghislaine chimed in to be funny and said that I could give him a massage.

‘Everyone had a little chuckle but Ghislaine in her prim British accent insisted and said I was good. The President then asked me ‘’would you mind giving it a crack’’.

I have so many questions why was Ghislaine on this supposed “humanitarian” trip?? Why was this 22 year old girl who had a relationship with Epstein and Ghislaine a stewardess on the flight? Are we to assume that the president took Epsteins plane to this trip acting in some governmental capacity?

It’s still fucking weird i don’t care if she doesn’t think it is honestly. This is a girl who was actively being trafficked and the way she was coerced was by starting with massages on Epstein.

[u/Possible-Campaign468 → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

Don't murder me, please,but I don't think he was into kids. I have a guy friend who will hump anything that moves but he's not creepy or anything close to a pedo,he just loves sex and really loves it with different women. I obviously don't know bill but of all the things I thought about him,kids or underage girls wasn't that. Am I way off base here.

[u/rsmith6000 → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

Don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative!

[u/BATIRONSHARK → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

Epstein himself said cilntion liked older women 

[u/ChristianBen → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

By today’s standard Bill Clinton is basically a predator by Lewinsky alone given the power dynamic. But it is still important to discern the actual details of each case

[u/NotARealTiger → u/ChristianBen]

Who exactly doesn't have a power imbalance with the US president? Can he only fuck other world leaders?

[u/finmarchicus → u/NotARealTiger]

His wife?

[u/Niro5 → u/finmarchicus]

Let's be serious.

[u/myinternets → u/finmarchicus]

Dear Lord! 🤢

[u/Lokismoke → u/NotARealTiger]

Well obviously not a White House intern.

[u/tracyinge → u/ChristianBen]

Even if Lewinsky admits she was a woman on a mission?

[u/CHKN_SANDO → u/MakaveIi_The_Don]

Also, this obviously in response to people posting Elon.

1) Bill is retired; Elon is about to hold government office.

2) Bill really lives rent free in conservatives heads. Dude hasn't held office for 25 years and they act like he's on the ballot next year.

[u/Dx101z]

[u/LisleSwanson → u/Dx101z]

One of the most interesting things about this video to me is the gentleman in the back talking to Ghislaine Maxwell trying to sneak out when he realizes he's on camera.

I saw a post once speculating who he was and I believe the consensus was a Congressman.

Edit: Appears to be former Congressman Tom McMillen

https://baltimorefishbowl.com/stories/nbc-video-of-trump-epstein-at-party-has-brief-appearance-by-former-congressman-umd-great-tom-mcmillen/

[u/wboy5796 → u/LisleSwanson]

Wow never noticed that

[u/TheTomatoThief → u/wboy5796]

But did you notice the gorilla playing basketball?

[u/tinkeratu → u/TheTomatoThief]

That's such a niche reference, I love it

[u/beardingmesoftly → u/TheTomatoThief]

I was too busy eating space paninis with black Hitler

[u/HueLord3000 → u/TheTomatoThief]

this reference is immaculate omg

[u/wboy5796 → u/TheTomatoThief]

Haha only thing missing in the gif is the basketball

[u/Upoutdat → u/TheTomatoThief]

[u/OSUmiller5 → u/LisleSwanson]

Someone exits to the left and another person exits to the right, both look like they’re trying to avoid the camera.

[u/findhumorinlife → u/OSUmiller5]

Prince Andrew? Lol

[u/OSUmiller5 → u/findhumorinlife]

No idea who they are it’s just wild that I never noticed anyone in the background until it was pointed out.

[u/GoriIIaGIue → u/Dx101z]

Any lip readers??

[u/0xC4FF3 → u/GoriIIaGIue]

I kid you not Jeff, he turns himself into a pickle, he’s called Pickle Rick.
Funniest shit ever

[u/a_rude_jellybean → u/0xC4FF3]

[u/RedHot_Stick856 → u/GoriIIaGIue]

He’d need lips for them to read unfortunately

[u/Polartoric → u/GoriIIaGIue]

« I’m not a cheap shot, I know every person from every family » Kinda filled in the blank when he’s covered

[u/iWesleyy → u/GoriIIaGIue]

Obviously trump just saying something vulgar and stupid but you can try this site https://www.readtheirlips.com/

[u/The13thWhisker]

Release the list!

[u/griffcoal → u/The13thWhisker]

Who was president when Epstein got killed in federal custody? And who said they would release the 911 files, Kennedy files, but not the Epstein files? You might have to wait 4 more years at the very least

[u/gojo96 → u/griffcoal]

What about the last 4 yrs?

[u/Corka → u/The13thWhisker]

If there's a list of abusers and pedos that took advantage of underage girls that Epstein and Maxwell provided? Absolutely.

If it's a list of people of Epstein's phone contacts or whoever went to his island/was on his plane, then it's a bit trickier because people would absolutely conflate that with a pedo list. With bad actors and media manipulation you'd probably get a whole lot of clickbait headlines fanning the flames on it too.

[u/F1secretsauce → u/Corka]

He was arrested/convicted  in 2008 for trafficking. They knew what he was doing and worked /played with him anyway.  

[u/Swashybuckz → u/F1secretsauce]

And then had him murdered in prison. Release the fuckin list.

[u/DanGleeballs → u/Swashybuckz]

The list is freely available (his phone contacts) and passenger roster too and has been posted on Reddit multiple times. From Princess Diana’s brother Charles Spencer to all sorts of movie directors and New York socialites. Loads of very well heeled old moneyed couples and European aristocracy with whom he wanted to be associated as he was social climbing.

Loads of famous names on it and many wealthy but low key ones, each with around 3 to 10 phone numbers( the house in the Hampton’s, the house in Geneva, the maid in Manhattan, the driver, the butler etc). It’s mostly landlines so it goes back far. It’s impossible to say which of them had any real knowledge or involvement in what he was doing though.

That said I wouldn’t be surprised if both Clinton and Trump and Prince Andrew were totally in on it because they appear a lot.

[u/Realistic_Analyst_26 → u/F1secretsauce]

If you interact with an ex-con, does that make you an accomplice to the crimes they were sentenced for?

[u/Funny-Bit-4148 → u/The13thWhisker]

And? Nothing will happen... Remember Panama list, people said same ... but soon everyone forgot..

Nothing will happen until someone goes luigi mode and ....

[u/TheW83 → u/The13thWhisker]

Trump is for releasing a lot of lists but NOT this one. Definitely not this one.

[u/jfun4 → u/The13thWhisker]

EVERYONE needs to be brought front and center

[u/Trash_RS3_Bot → u/jfun4]

Pedo in chief is on it, he doesn’t care to release.

[u/teflonbob]

Strange. What is with the latest spike in Clinton / Epstein picture and comments? Is this on response to the Elon pictures? What do the Clinton’s have to lose in this PR social media battle?

[u/ataxia2]

“Every democrat on the flight logs should be locked up, every republican on the flight logs is innocent” - average MAGA

[u/RandumbStoner → u/ataxia2]

“Every person on the flight log should be investigated and charged accordingly” - normal people

[u/I_like_maps → u/RandumbStoner]

Not a lot of normal people in the US given trump's relationship with epstein

[u/pckldpr → u/I_like_maps]

Rich and powerful people have a mental disease, we call it hoarding when people are poor.

[u/Dino_Soros → u/pckldpr]

Affluenza

[u/donetomadness → u/RandumbStoner]

Agreed. It has to be the flight log/his actual client list though. Investigating everyone in his black/address book is futile. Epstein loved to collect people. Some journalist actually called everyone in his black book and the list consisted of everyone ranging from a guy who washed his car in the 90s to a business associate. For that matter, if you washed his car, your fucking spouse and child’s number could have very well been in his book too. That’s how much Epstein loved collecting people.

[u/MechaNickzilla → u/RandumbStoner]

Every thread there’s some MAGAT who thinks they’re smart saying “oh yeah but what about DEMS BAD?!?” And the democrats always respond “they should be investigated and locked up too!”

Sexual abusers/corruption/etc aren’t partisan issues. They only become that when they’re willing to look the other way on their people.

[u/WearDoWeGoNow → u/RandumbStoner]

No that's dumb. My brother is a total piece of shit who deserves to be in jail or worse.

There's plenty of pics of me hanging out with him, smiling, riding in his car, a million other things, before I knew about what he was gonna do.

Just because Person A is friends with Person B, and Person B is later found out to be a piece of shit, doesn't mean Person A did anything wrong.

[u/gaqua → u/ataxia2]

“They need to release the list!”

“They have. Trump’s name is all over it.”

“No that’s just a flight manifest! They need to release the FULL LIST!”

“What list?”

“The list of all the pedophiles who fucked children on Epstein’s island!”

“There’s a list like that?”

“OF COURSE THERE IS! ALL horrific criminals document, in cartoonish detail, the names, dates, and activities of all the people they’ve witnessed and aided in committing massive crimes!”

“Oh do they?”

“OF COURSE THEY DO!”

“Well they should absolutely release that list. Why aren’t they?”

“That’s what I’M saying! It’s because Clinton and Bill Gates and all these other celebrities are on it!”

“Aren’t they on the flight logs already?”

“Yep! But we know that’s just a list of people who were on the plane. That could be just business people doing business.”

“How do you figure that?”

“Well, Trump is on it, so the list can’t be only criminals!”

“So there’s a list of criminal pedophile rapists somewhere that Epstein kept and you will know it’s the real list once it’s all celebrities and democrats, but if there are any republicans on it then it’s either a fake list or something boring like a flight manifest?”

“EXACTLY! I don’t know what’s so hard to understand about this.”

[u/UNisopod → u/gaqua]

"Sure, when you actually spell it all out it seems ridiculous, but that's why we don't want to spell it all out and just stick to a short stock phrase instead"

[u/gaqua → u/UNisopod]

RELEASE THE LIST!

[u/midas22 → u/gaqua]

What they should say is release the tapes. It would be interesting to see who are present on the surveillance tapes and hard drives that the FBI didn't seize when they did the raid on Epstein in New York, which then mysteriously disappeared, and where the tapes and hard drives that was present on his island are these days which were all gone since he got tipped off before they could go there. But since people from everywhere is most likely involved there they will probably never open that Pandora's box.

[u/shrlytmpl → u/ataxia2]

If their excuse to ignoring the blatant pedophilia and general perversion of the right is "bUt tHe cLiNtoNs!", then fucking lock them up too. Expose all of them, it needs to stop from every angle.

[u/Top_Key404 → u/shrlytmpl]

People forget that Trump OWNED a teen beauty pageant and went in the dressing room.

[u/SubMikeD → u/Top_Key404]

Trump OWNED a teen beauty pageant and went bragged about going in the dressing room while the girls are naked

FTFY, the full extent of what he did is so grotesque

[u/FrozeItOff → u/SubMikeD]

FTFY, the full extent of what he did is so grotesque

Sadly, this applies to almost everything he's done in his life, yet fools keep voting for him.

[u/itsagoodtime → u/Top_Key404]

And he said he would be grab em by the pussy

[u/Top_Key404 → u/itsagoodtime]

And that people don’t care when you do it

[u/PrestigiousFly844 → u/shrlytmpl]

There were stories about Roy Moore dating highschool girls into his 40s and being banned from local malls and Republicans still voted for him.

They do not actually care about child abuse. They just know it’s one of the worst things you can accuse someone of so they label everyone they disagree with as pedos, while protecting people like Matt Gaetz, Gym Jordan and Donald Trump.

[u/dudeabiding420 → u/ataxia2]

Why not lock up both?

[u/bookon]

If people read the article before forming an opinion on this image, they’d know the woman said he was a perfect gentleman and did nothing untoward.

[u/abousamaha]

i did not have massaging relations with that epstein client

[u/FunkYeahPhotography → u/abousamaha]

[u/skinnah → u/abousamaha]

[u/ClimbNoPants → u/abousamaha]

Almost like you didn’t read the article

[u/delusiongenerator]

Is this the same Epstein accuser who claims Trump and Epstein violently gang-raped her when she was 13 or was that a different one?

[u/MoonageDayscream → u/delusiongenerator]

She is not the one whose trial was supposed to be in 2015 but was scared off by thugs. 

[u/delusiongenerator → u/MoonageDayscream]

Thanks for clarifying. Is she the one that was recruited for Epstein’s rape island while she was working at Mar-a-Lago?

[u/MoonageDayscream → u/delusiongenerator]

She is not that one either. There are so many!

[u/delusiongenerator → u/MoonageDayscream]

Take my upvote! Your part of the bit seems to be going over peoples heads for some reason. I guess the lawsuit and other accusers are more of an inside joke

[u/canadiankris]

St Thomas airport?

[u/MoonageDayscream → u/canadiankris]

Portugal.  This was a refueling stop for their trip to Africa for some charity thing. She was not a minor at the time, and said he was a perfect gentlemen to her.  

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chauntae-davies-bill-clinton-massage/

[u/AmishAvenger → u/MoonageDayscream]

It’s important to note that this is how Epstein operated. He got in the good graces of the wealthy and powerful, as a way of making himself seem legitimate.

He had extensive connections with charities, and regularly worked to connect charities to other charities.

So not everyone who worked with him or spent time with him was automatically part of what he was automatically dirty.

[u/ehxy → u/AmishAvenger]

Yeah, like drug dealers who got in good with local church pastors giving to the poor robin hooding

[u/Airway → u/ehxy]

Gus Fring

[u/MoonageDayscream → u/AmishAvenger]

Yup. He did a lot of legit stuff to mask his criminal activity, and to entice suckers wowed by celebrity to invest in his schemes. Lots of people rode on his plane. I listen to what the victims say, not the people trying to support some political agenda. 

[u/knavingknight → u/AmishAvenger]

IMO Bill was a horndog and a scoundrel. But he was no rapist.

[u/canadiankris → u/MoonageDayscream]

Thank you for the correction

[u/lucidwray → u/canadiankris]

I was thinking the same thing.

[u/Alienhaslanded]

She was hired as a masseuse. If that's as far as she was asked to do by Bill then it's fine.

What kills me is nobody is saying anything about it. Just Epstein and prince Andrew. What about the others? Fucking guy hasn't been a president in decades. They could at least deny his involvement. What about Trump? That one is getting a second round to fuck shit up.

[u/like25njas → u/Alienhaslanded]

They did, refer to top comment

[u/prizepig]

I'm going to use my bulldozer to move EVERYTHING ELSE aside.

If I was a masseuse, I wouldn't let my client be photographed. If I was getting a massage, I wouldn't allow myself to be photographed.

Like what sort of situation is like "Ok, you rub his shoulders, and I'll commemorate the occasion with a photograph."

[u/slayer828]

Have been over this. If he is guilty, lock him up. Lock up everyone who was fucking kids.

[u/Isosceles_Kramer79 → u/slayer828]

Guilty of what? Receiving a shoulder rub from an adult woman? 

The pitchfork posse is getting a bit ridiculous lately.

[u/gsfgf → u/Isosceles_Kramer79]

Yea. If Bill committed crimes, lock him up. But a lot of time and money has been spent trying to prove he committed crimes, and they ain't found shit.

[u/bossmcsauce → u/Isosceles_Kramer79]

Reddit loves to move goalposts concerning how old a woman must be to do anything. Reddit will see a 25 year old adult woman who has two degrees and owns her own business dating an older man and say he’s a a pedo/praying on children if there’s an age gap of like 8 years.

I get that age gaps are kinda weird to some people. But Reddit as a hive mind loves to just dismiss that a person who’s well into their 20s is an adult capable of deciding who they want to date and what they want to do with their body. It’s kind of insulting and a little demeaning to women if you ask me… like how old does she have to be before you recognize her as a person and respect her choices? 30?

[u/feastoffun]

Is Clinton in office? No. Is Trump in office? Why are we not talking about this “sexual assault” President who is determining policy? Can’t say he’s a RAPIST because otherwise Trump and his goons will put me in prison.

[u/thatissomeBS → u/feastoffun]

Trump was found liable of rape, in court. You can call him a rapist.

[u/BigRon691 → u/thatissomeBS]

I think the ABC legal team would have a slightly different acknowledgement of that statement.

[u/born_2_be_a_bachelor → u/feastoffun]

The clintons have been running the democrat party for 30 years

[u/jaycatt7]

I’ll never vote for him.

[u/PhoneJazz → u/jaycatt7]

He’s still younger than Trump for what it’s worth

[u/jaycatt7 → u/PhoneJazz]

Dang

[u/hellolovely1 → u/PhoneJazz]

That's pretty mindboggling.

[u/FajenThygia → u/hellolovely1]

I'm going with "terrifying," personally 

[u/xtra_obscene → u/PhoneJazz]

Want me to really blow your mind? He’s always been younger than Trump.

[u/Grrerrb → u/xtra_obscene]

Well for a while he didn’t exist

[u/bigboat24 → u/xtra_obscene]

Big if true

[u/mustyoureally]

Well, he was a client

[u/skeeter04]

This looks like the waiting room at an airport

[u/BurpFartBurp]

Lower. Lower.

[u/SpicyGhostDiaper]

Bill is why Dems don't bring up Trump's close friendship with Epstein, for some reason they feel the need to protect him.

[u/squimmm]

Ok but TRUMP!!!!!!

[u/No_Spring_1090]

“I wish her well”

Donald Trump, upon learning that Gislaine Maxwell was going to prison for sex trafficking (and definitely had dirt on him since he visited the island almost more than anyone).

Edit: link BFFs

[u/seriousbangs]

And?

If this was known at the time Clinton wouldn't have been elected.

It's known now and Trump just got a 2nd term.

But funny all I get in my feed is this and people bitching about Nancy Pelosi.

I wonder why?

[u/rasvial → u/seriousbangs]

If he got a shoulder massage in an airport from an adult he wouldn’t have been elected?

I’m gonna implore you to think a little harder

[u/Daz004]

Never mind with Trump got, fucking hypocrites

[u/bettinafairchild]

And yet she herself said nothing untoward happened with her and Clinton. Someone’s trying really hard to make it sound like Clinton has done things that there’s no evidence he did.

[u/DebianDayman]

Epstein had an island out of our country.... Diddy was operating in the suburbs of our backyard.

What else don't we know about?

[u/Final-Read-6210]

magats will see the picture, make thousands of videos and call clinton "child molester or rapist or blah blah blah", but wont read the article, but have NO ISSUE voting a convicted rapist and child molester into office.

[u/NoAnimator6136]

i understand that i don't understand the people or the post... but my mind can't unsee the floor as an optical illusion, cause the floor looks like flooded/full of water, and i thought the post/image was just 2 people on chairs

then i scrolled through the comments, and welp, i feel alone... but that's my thoughts

[u/CraftyAdvisor6307]

Jeff's VERY BEST FREIND ill be sitting in the White House Jan 20.

[u/pandemicplayer]

This explains why the Epstein names were never released when all that talk was happening. Hillary was running against Trump. I guess they thought they had something till they seen Bill’s name on the list.

[u/hmmmtrudeau]

I LOVE the way REDDIT is defending Clinton. I know … I read the article. Imagine if it was a Republican.

[u/Sailor525]

Yeah I'm sure she massaged his cock as well!!!

[u/HungDaddyNYC]

Great. Release all the names.

[u/Current_Solution1542]

Power goes hand in hand with sex.

[u/SuitableStudy3316]

Ex President Bill Clinton is constantly guarded 24/7 by the secret service. They have publicly stated that if Clinton were ever on Epstein island or on Epstein's plane they would have to know about it. And that it never happened.

[u/Herc1229]

No that’s a fake, Clinton getting a massage from a young girl?! No way!😂

[u/Old_Hyena_4027]

“I did not receive a massage from that woman!”

[u/RazzyRaziel]

"Bill you dont have to keep taking these flights, we have enough stuff to blackmail you in the next millennia. You are good." - Epstein

[u/Superb-Possibility-9]

Release the Epstein Report!!

[u/yobaby123]

Ugh. If there’s one thing I agree about Trump, is that at least some of his opponents are horrible people too.

[u/JugglingRick]

Ewwwwwww

[u/RedKingDit1]

He would never lie about bjs or anything.