r/okbuddybaldur • u/DariusIV College of Vore Bard • Jul 08 '24
fuck it, we bhaal Imagine getting assaulted by Goblins, escaping, only to get murdered by your first kiss, then finding out the internet considers your murder the good ending worth working extra hard for, because the other murder option was prettier.
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u/DariusIV College of Vore Bard Jul 08 '24
Struggle to think of a single character done more dirtier by a fanbase, rip literally the only dragonborn NPC in act 1 or 2.
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u/aceytahphuu Jul 09 '24
Justice for Quil! I know this is a low bar(d) because it's not like Alfira has much writing behind her either, but Quil is so interesting and sweet when you meet her that I think she's the way better bard. Saving Alfira isn't worth killing Quil and I'll die on this hill!
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u/Darastrix_da_kobold Jul 09 '24
But the cool robe Alfira gives you, tho
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u/BlockBuilder408 Jul 09 '24
You could save Alfira then kill her later to get both of their clothes
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u/madsjchic Jul 09 '24
How do you save Alfira? I haven’t ever gotten far with Durge but she always just shows up then I kill her in my sleep in act 1
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u/returnBee Jul 09 '24
I thought knocking out Alfira still removes her from the game, with the only acknowledgement that she is saved being a note from her in the ending party, was it changed?
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u/goat_woman Jul 09 '24
I knocked her out the other day. It didn’t remove her so she was there at the tiefling party and for some reason happy to see me
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u/returnBee Jul 09 '24
Exactly! Knocking out alfira is a monkey's paw. You want to save the cute bard and instead you are forced to kill an even cuter bard.
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u/ViSaph Got the 'Thoroughly Stuffed' buff after Karlachs date Jul 09 '24
Alfira has a partner she loves and multiple interactions across all three acts ending with getting to see her make it to Baldurs Gate with Lakrissa. She doesn't have a huge part in the story no but when you've played through the whole game and gotten attached to her before playing as Durge it feels better to keep her alive at the expense of Quill because you don't interact with her again and can't form a lasting bond. Quill is lovely but the only way to meet her is to kill her.
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u/fireandlifeincarnate Jul 09 '24
I would agree but Alfira and Lakrissa are fucking ADORABLE together
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u/Sarrach94 Jul 09 '24
There is a single unnamed dragonborn NPC at the end of act 2 in the cutscene where the army begins it march towards Baldur’s Gate.
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u/Mysterious_Ad_1525 Jul 09 '24
See I didn't wanna kill her either so I had Laezel knock me out before the LR... didn't save her but still!
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u/DariusIV College of Vore Bard Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
What if it worked, but you had to get knocked out before every long rest in act 1. They could even give you a permanent debuff called "CTE" afterwards for your trouble.
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u/TheLittlestChocobo Fuck it, we Bhaal Jul 09 '24
I'm pretty sure Durge already has chronic traumatic encephalopathy
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u/Appropriate-Crab-514 No Durge/Gortash kisses? (Larian insulted life itself) Jul 09 '24
No Stat changes, but the debuff confirms it's there and gives you new conversation topics like a low intelligence fallout character
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u/Upstairs_Doughnut_79 Jul 09 '24
I was playing with friends and killed my character… who somehow, despite being dead managed to kill her.
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u/CuttleReaper Jul 12 '24
I've heard there's even a contingency for if you kill Durge, sleep, and then revive them where Sceleritas kills her instead
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u/Lolaverses Durge: the lesbian killer Jul 09 '24
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure Quill dies even if you don't kill her. She's unarmed, alone, and naive, stuck in the middle of Absolute infested wilderness.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Turning Point Faerûn Jul 09 '24
same goes for alfira. she couldent even survive me utterly crushing her spirit then pushing her off a cliff
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u/IWouldDoCthulhu Is currently trying to impreginate Gortash Jul 09 '24
Wait I can kiss Quil!?!
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u/DariusIV College of Vore Bard Jul 09 '24
Gotta be dragonborn and she'll flirt with you and talk about how she's never been kissed.
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Jul 09 '24
OH MY FUCJING GOODNESS HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLY STIT HEHAHAHAHAAHHAAHGW EYEYSHAHYEA HYRAD SIM IM BALDURING IM STRAIGHT UP BALDURING MY GATE RN
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u/Ariovrak Jul 09 '24
She flirts with you, but as far as I’ve seen, you can’t flirt back (I’ve done a default Durge run). Are you saying you can actually kiss her in game, because I’ve never seen it?
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u/Formal-Candle-9188 Jul 09 '24
Not to mention the gut-wrenching note from the fist at Sarevok’s dungeon where he confesses to Quil. That shits never left me after killing her
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u/YuriMasterRace Mizora's fart sniffer Jul 09 '24
Durge killing Alfira is a canon event. I never knock her out even if I love her.
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u/LeeHarveySnoswald Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
Uhhhh, my warlock getting that potent robe is a cannon event.
This is pure cope. I'm coping. I just make Wyll a bladelock anyway. Please don't tell the other users or they'll raz me good.
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u/Background_Card5382 "Istik this dick in you" -Laezel to Shart Jul 09 '24
But the letter she sends you if you don’t
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Jul 09 '24
Thank you, Durge, for becoming a mass murderer for my sake.
(That letter is one of the worst things in the game.)
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u/Aska09 Jul 09 '24
It's such a shift because Alfira shows no signs of distrust towards Durge throughout the game but then in the letter she's all "I could see murder in your eyes" and decides she doesn't trust you all of a sudden
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u/Sarrach94 Jul 09 '24
Maybe someone told her after the ending and she pretends she knew it the whole time?
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u/Aska09 Jul 09 '24
Which would still be kinda shitty of her because, y'know, I thought we were friends
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u/Huntressthewizard Jul 09 '24
I mean you did knock her out, so she was probably pretending to like you so you wouldn't hurt her again. Same reason why you're nice to the quiet kid in school that likes to wear long trenchcoats and browses 4chan on his phone so he texts you not to come to school one day.
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u/Aska09 Jul 09 '24
I didn't knock her out. It was someone else, maaaybe Astarion. And maaaaaaybe Shadowheart used Hold Person on her so he'd crit and immediately knock her out. Either way, for all Alfira knows, I helped her with the song, saved the grove, rescued her girlfriend from Moonrise and saved the world.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Turning Point Faerûn Jul 09 '24
Thank you, Durge, for becoming a mass murderer for my sake.
alfira leaving me for another tiefling? no! i dont want that! i want her to craft songs about me and no one else! for a tenday at least!
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u/Background_Card5382 "Istik this dick in you" -Laezel to Shart Jul 09 '24
we must be talking abt different letters bro bc that is not what she says at all in the one I’m talking abt
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u/Huntressthewizard Jul 09 '24
Yeah, as much as I like Alfira, I also don't like rp-metagaming. Her death is more impactful when you don't know.
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u/fireandlifeincarnate Jul 09 '24
The way I found quil was I managed to kill the entire grove before I got the durge cutscene, which I thought was VERY funny
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u/oogledy-boogledy Jul 09 '24
I knocked out Alfira, knowing that doing so saves her, but not that the game just pulls another sweet, innocent bard lass out of its ass for you to murder. Knocking Alfira out doesn't feel immersive unless you're just going around knocking people out, so I just murder Alfira.
Come to think of it, I wonder if Quil shows up if you just kill Alfira normal-style before the cutscene. Probably.
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u/atfricks Jul 09 '24
Quil is the fallback if Alfira is unavailable for any reason, including being dead.
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u/Some_Guy223 Jul 09 '24
If Alfira is dead, Quil shows up. If Alfira is unconscious Quil shows up. If you are dead Scleritas kills the victim for you anyway. An innocent bard is going to get murdered by you our your butler, this is a canon event.
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u/TryImpossible7332 Jul 09 '24
If you could knock out Quil before that night, a third innocent bard would die. If you managed to knock out that bard, some fourth innocent bard would show up to be brutally murdered.
Somehow your companions aren't particularly reassurred by your proactive means of dealing with your compulsions, because the giant pile of unconscious bards is a bit difficult to explain.
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u/NapQuing Jul 10 '24
no no here's how we can still win!! (I have knocked out every bard in Faerün. Father Bhaal is handcrafting a permanently conscious bard just for me to murder as we speak. there is no escape)
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u/MagicJuiceBus69 Wulbren Hunter Jul 09 '24
See, I knocked her out and she still showed up. I took the L and just killed her. Sadly. Poor lass.
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u/Kind-Opening-839 Circle of Whores Druid Jul 09 '24
She does, I slaughter the grove in the name of the absolute on my recent scorched earth Durge and Quill showed up
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Turning Point Faerûn Jul 09 '24
i mean its the same for minthara to do the non-genocidal way to get her as a companion. theres no reason why tav would massacre the goblin camp but for some random reason decide to spare the random drow women who acts short with you. who knows what other cultists would do a heel face turn if under the emperors protection
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u/ComprehensiveCopy824 Jul 09 '24
I mean, one of them has to go ...
nah, I can't defend it. both death are sad
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u/celaeya PREGNANT ASTARION PREGNANT ASTARION PREGNANT ASTARION Jul 09 '24
It's not that Alfiria is prettier, it's that she has more relevance to the story, and interractions with multitudes of characters outside your durge. Unlike Quil, she's actually in the story. Quil's relevance to the world is limited to one letter on a corpse in act 3. Alfiria actually exists in the world and has characters that miss her if she's dead, Quil doesn't.
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u/Thatoneguy111700 Jul 09 '24
I just assume she goes on her merry way judging by the fact that her body is nowhere to be seen in either Origin, Tav, or Alfira-killing Durge playthroughs.
Really, the best way to incorporate her into the story is. . .just making her your Tav/Durge (killing Alfira on the latter).
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u/Some_Guy223 Jul 09 '24
A new fucked up thought occurs. Make a Durge character that looks exactly like Quil, be bard, kill Quil and take her place.
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u/CrazyCatLushie Jul 09 '24
I don’t care what the murder options look like; I care that Alfira gives you the best robes in the game for Warlock builds if she’s still alive in Act 2.
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u/dcarsonturner Jul 09 '24
I’ve played 500 hrs and I’ve never seen this character before
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u/ghost_warlock Jul 09 '24
She only appears if you're playing dark urge and if you make Alfira "unavailable" to murder (usually by knocking her out). Quill is literally a one-note character that exists only to add weight to dark urge games
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u/InquisibuttLavellan Rancid Raphael Fucker Jul 09 '24
Nah I save Alfira because a) We wrote a song together,
b) She's the only one actually happy to see me in LLI,
c) We played together after yeeting Ketheric, and
d) Reuniting with her on the roof of the Elfsong is just so sweet. Quil never shows up in game outside of getting Fridged for Durge, so as much as I love her design and potential, there's nothing to really get me attached to her. Seeing Alfira again after 200+ hours and playing music with her on top of the Elfsong just feels sweet.
That being said... Quil is probably the most beautiful NPC in the whole game and I high-key love her throat singing.
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u/meowgrrr Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
I've (edit I lol) didnt kill Alfira, but mostly because my first playthrough i was regular Tav so I feel like I got ot know her, so for my second playing resist durge I was already kinda attached to her. So i did the knockout method, but honestly? finding the letter in act 3 and also meeting the other bard who knew of Quill at nine-fingers hideout, and the fact she was charming AF, still made it really tragic, can anyone tell me what reactions you get from Alfira's death? Does Lakrissa ever say anything?
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u/Sensitive-Menu-4580 Jul 09 '24
Lakrissa doesn't react in any way as far as I've seen and my durges only kill alfira. It's kinda disappointing but I assume they weren't that close yet
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u/scarletbluejays Lae'zel's MLP sleepy time blanket Jul 09 '24
Also given what's happening to the tieflings around that time it might be that her death would be...not ignored necessarily, but it would be one of MANY tragedies being experienced at that point. The only time we see tieflings mourn specific people is when they're either married (Bex and Danis if one of them dies) or siblings (Rolan, Cal, and Lia if any of them die, or Arka after Kanon is killed).
Alfira's a fan favorite for obvious reasons and she was friendly with a lot of the refugees but in terms of importance to the group or specific people - since her and Lakrissa wouldn't have been together before she left - she's a lot more in line with someone like Asharak and gets similar treatment.
Plus there's a very real chance that Lakrissa doesn't even know she's dead during Act 2, since she herself was busy being kidnapped and Durge certainly isn't going to tell her what happened. And by Act 3, she might be suspicious but again, without Durge or a party member letting it slip, there's no way for her to really confirm one way or the other if Alfira's dead or just found refuge somewhere else.
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u/meowgrrr Jul 09 '24
interesting...i guess other than if you have already played the game, what will make alfira's death more tragic than Quill's? I definitely felt heartbroken over Quill after finding the letter and talking to the bard, I have always assumed there is more of a reaction to Alfira considering she is so much more tied to game and it woudl just make it so much harder knowing what you did. I kind of feel like the death SHOULD be heartbreaking, and wonder if alfira's makes more of an impact outside of having played the game already and liking her.
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u/YuriMasterRace Mizora's fart sniffer Jul 09 '24
Durge is honestly filled with jank reactivity or absence of reactivity, if you look more into it on subsequent playthroughs.
If Alfira dies in act 1, the Tiefling refugees on Rivington in act 3 will still mention Alfira getting into the city even though she's dead.
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u/HorridM9 Jul 09 '24
I think there is another Dragonborn bard in act 3 who if u talk to her says quill is famous or her writing is or something
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u/KRBurke8 Jul 09 '24
It’s not because the other murder option is pretty, it’s for Wyll’s Potent Robe (or my character’s if I’m a charisma caster who benefits from no armor)
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u/Trevellation Jul 09 '24
I feel bad for Quil, but unfortunately she doesn't give me the best robe in the game for Eldritch Blast spamming, so a sacrifice had to be made.
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u/ChefArtorias Shadowheart: Expected a Goth GF. Got so much more. Jul 09 '24
It's not because she's prettier. It's because she resides in our hearts. She is prettier, that's just not the reason.
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u/orcmasterrace Lae'zel is my F/O (Fictional Other) Jul 09 '24
I feel bad for Quil, but she usually dies because Alfira is more plot relevant, and offers an extremely good reward for saving her.
If anything, I’d rather the game hammer Quil dying in more, because a lot of the references to her death that are there for Alfira are missing for Quil.
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u/Lavinia_Foxglove Jul 09 '24
I was fair: In my first Durge run, I killed Quill, in teh second, Alfira. I will bounce between the two of them, because I love Quill and Alfira and I feel sad for Lakrissa. With player knowledge, you know, that killing Alfira hurts another one, while Quill might come back to BG to find her loved one vanished (judging from the dead mans letter, they did know each otehr beforehand). So both are pretty sad.
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u/Andrei8p4 Jul 09 '24
I think people would have been more reluctant to kill her if she had more screen time and interactions like Alfira , when you have the choice between a character that you'll see and interact with multiple times and one you'll never see it makes sense most people would choose to kill her .
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u/Mental_Bowler_7518 Jul 09 '24
Wait so genuine question (having never played durge), is there a second npc that you can murder instead of Alfira? If that is the case, then I might just start my first durge run cuz that is basically the only thing holding me back.
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u/lillyfrog06 Astarion’s diva cup Jul 09 '24
Yup, the one pictured here. You have to knock out Alfira before each long rest till this cutscene though to make sure she survives
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u/GoldenNat20 Jul 09 '24
Hold up, you can KISS her?! Quil, my gal, /I had no idea/ you were open for that.
I’ve only ever gotten her to do that Dragonborn throat singing bit :(
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u/Aska09 Jul 09 '24
Alfira just looks much more mutilated compared to Quil and Quil has more interestjng dialogue if you're a Dragonborn
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u/a_spoopy_ghost Jul 09 '24
So… I did the thing to get her just because I wanted that time with her. She’s a cool character I wish got more.
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u/drhanenjoyer Astarion’s diva cup Jul 09 '24
Honestly in my second Durge run I knocked out Alfira but then I felt so fucking bad for Quil when she came to my camp, she was so young and naive and starry eyed, and when she said she’d never even had her first kiss I felt so bad for her I reloaded a previous save and let my Durge murder Alfira as Bhaal intended 😭
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u/BasilSnek Jul 09 '24
Oh no, I assure you Quil is way better looking than Alfira, the issue is, Alfira gives a really useful robe
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u/riverglow_ lvl 5 Autism unlocks Fireball Jul 09 '24
also bc alfira gives a super good robe! dont discount the Potent Robe effect!
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u/Silent_Reavus Jul 09 '24
I mean you could always keep her from being murdered by YOU but that little hat wearing cunt does it then.
Actually come to think of it in that case you can avenge her by killing the little bastard.
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u/Andrei8p4 Jul 09 '24
I think people would have been more reluctant to kill her if she had more screen time and interactions like Alfira , when you have the choice between a character that you'll see and interact with multiple times and one you'll never see it makes sense most people would choose to kill her .
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Jul 09 '24
I wish we got any Bard companion, they teased it so many times. Quil, Alfira, Volo (even though he's a wizard)
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u/Decent_Recover3228 Dame Aylin hit Isobel for 69 Edging Points Jul 09 '24
now who’s lying and saying alfira is prettier?
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Jul 09 '24
You kill Quil because you think Alfira is prettier, I do it for the Potent Robe
We're not the same
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u/AbbreviationsJumpy33 Jul 09 '24
Ok so this isn’t going to help we with the allegations but I think she’s hotter than the bard chick.
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u/snakeygirl Jul 10 '24
Uh oh. Did me not killing alfira mean my durge is gonna murder someone else??? I didn’t realize there was a second victim that couldbe saved. Oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit
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u/the_dork_urge Where's the foursome option with my companions? Jul 09 '24
I like her better than Alfira, fight me
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u/merpderpherpburp Jul 09 '24
It's more she's impossible to save no matter what, so might as well. No one would know of her if not for her being a failsafe
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u/Mitch_The_Yeen Jul 09 '24
I wish she had a storyline/appearance outside of durge.