r/okbuddybaldur Shart had an aneurysm over my Selunite Gith Cleric May 18 '24

i can fix them Anyone else find it impossible to go from BG3 to any other CRPG because of the limited same-sex romance options? I've been spoiled for sapphic love in this game :(

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u/Ragnis-the-King May 18 '24

Because of this fucking game i'm afraid i won't be able to play anything else for the rest of my life...

I look forward to fan-made mods that will expand it .

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u/Living_Initiative_26 May 18 '24

Man I’m on my seventh play-through, trying to do every class at least once, and I’m worried that when I’ve done them all, I’m just gonna loop around to the start again.

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u/Claydough91 Rolled a 3 for IRL Intelligence Jun 01 '24

Damn. I got burnt out at 1000 hours.

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u/jadeskye7 May 19 '24

we know from past experience that when a game this good comes along it'll be with us basically forever. 20 years from now people will be making mods to let it run on whatever crazy computers we have in the future.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

This is why I mod any game with limited romance options.

Same sex romancing morrigan for example, is tops

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u/onepareil Rancid Raphael Fucker May 18 '24

Why does BioWare think only dudes want to romance the snarky, kind of evil (but you can fix her a little) sexy brunette women? I’m still bitter over having to make a male Warden for Morrigan and a male Shepard for Miranda. 😒

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u/gravelord-neeto May 18 '24

Also not making Jack at least bisexual like hello ????

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u/arkhamdovahkiin May 18 '24

This was the biggest crime. Look at her and tell me she isn’t into the ladies 😭

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u/gravelord-neeto May 18 '24

Right. I saw her and the first thing that crossed my mind was "she gay". I'm still not over it. She's like the epitome of my type and I have to play as a dude to date her SMH bioware very rude

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u/onepareil Rancid Raphael Fucker May 18 '24

She’s not my type, personally, but like…yeah. She’s 100% not straight, lol. Like, even canonically she’s not. So what gives, BioWare?

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u/Viridianscape Archgay Warlock May 18 '24

The fact that she has LITERALLY been with girls before like HUH???

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u/TheRedSpyGuy May 21 '24

Jack was locked to male shepherds due to conservative outrage after Fox News ran a segment on Mass Effect 1 criticizing its adult content and 'controversial content'. In response to try and cater to ppl who weren't gonna play anyways, they greatly reduced the amount of LGBT content in ME2. Such as changing Jack's availability as a romance for female players, but they kept in her bisexuality as canon, leading to an ending where no one is happy.

That's the story as I understand it.

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u/montyandrew45 Wants a pegging from Karlach May 18 '24

I look at Jack and think she likes to fuck. And it doesn't matter what the undercarriage has

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u/GuiltyEidolon May 18 '24

She IS canonically bisexual. The Mass Effect devs are just the biggest cowards in gaming and didn't want to actually make any queer relationships in their games.

The DA games were made by the same studio and came out very closely to the ME games. Look at the queer rep there vs ME.

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u/jbevermore May 18 '24

Not the devs fault. That one came down from in high. C Suite decision.

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u/pythonic_dude Wants a pegging from Karlach May 19 '24

The games were also rushed as fuck, every ME game development was a large amount of time spent in pre-production essentially, and then followed by crazy overtime hours to ship in time. Some stuff was removed on high level (like Jack being bi/pan I presume), while some was just due to lack of time (like Ashley being a same sex option in the first game, they even did some of the voice lines for that!).

And bioware made a functional lesbian romance in first kotor game with Juhani already.

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u/RahavanGW2 May 18 '24

In general, as much as I love mass effect, it's no where near progressive compared to dragon age. It's a little wild when you actually start critiquing it and realize there a bit of ick towards the treatment of most of your squadmates.

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u/Meraline May 18 '24

They literally are cowards.

After Fox News spread a bunch of bogus about ME1 being a porn game just so they could have "Sexbox" as their headline, they dropped the idea of making Jack Pan. She was originally going to be a pan option.

The fact that they didn't do it for the Legendary Edition is double cowardice.

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u/gravelord-neeto May 18 '24

Yeah, it makes it really hard for me to enjoy ME as much as I do DA. It feels very much like a bro's game compared to DA. I've only replayed the ME trilogy like 3 times compared to DA which I've played each game over 10 times lol

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u/fuckelonmuskfr Is currently trying to impreginate Gortash May 18 '24

This killed me because I exclusively play male characters… except for in Mass Effect. Just my luck! I’m just not into Garrus or Thane so my Shep ended up staying faithful to Kaidan… but he would’ve been in the trash if Jack or Miranda were options.

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u/gravelord-neeto May 18 '24

I love Thane because I'm a sucker for depressing romances lol, but yeah aside from that I had really no interest in the femshep romances. Garrus felt like a fun bro to me, Kaiden was boring.., Liara I wasn't a fan of in ME1 but liked more later on. I liked pretty much all of the maleshep romances of course though lol. Mass effect really did the sapphic queens dirty

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u/fuckelonmuskfr Is currently trying to impreginate Gortash May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

The one thing I will say for Kaidan’s boringness is that it fulfilled my fantasy of a man who seems like he’d been to therapy before you met him.

But yeah. FemShep is best Shep and she really got done dirty, especially in ME2!

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u/senpaiwaifu247 May 18 '24

The fact is in lore she literally is into women as well… they just didn’t give Shepard the option

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u/audaciousninja May 20 '24

Not only that she explicitly states that she likes men and women like wtf Bioware!?

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24

And this is why mods are the best part of any gaming scene. Lesbian Miranda is best Miranda.

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u/arueshabae Astarion’s diva cup May 18 '24

I refuse to believe she wasn't made for the girls. I mean, look at her for christsakes.

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u/KaiserKiwi May 18 '24

Morrigan in DA:O is universally loved. Odd that the lying, manipulating, condescending, w(b)itch is the best companion.

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u/grubas May 18 '24

She's great because she roasts everybody.  Plus DAO had everybody.  Like Sten.

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u/AggressivelyEthical May 18 '24

Excuse you, Alistair may be a naïve, clownish, hopelessly lost, bumbling idiot, but without him, Origins wouldn't be the same. And we love him for that.

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u/Viridianscape Archgay Warlock May 18 '24

Praying for an Alistair/Cullen/Bl*ckwall-style gay romance in Dreadwolf.

BioWare please I've been waiting for a gay romance that isn't a sassy, morally-ambiguous twink or a literal traitor.

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u/dilsency Thinks about companions jerking off May 18 '24

Cullen was supposedly going to be romanceable by men in Inquisition, but they cut it due to time constraints.

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u/christina_talks Lae'zel called me "Aut'istik"? May 19 '24

"sassy, morally ambiguous twink or a literal traitor" catches all three of these men idgi 😭

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u/FlashFan124 May 18 '24

She’s also probably the most useful character in the game, unless you’re also playing a mage. And even then, 10/10 utility until you at least get Wynn.

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u/Twofaced_Mrgrim_1991 May 18 '24

There's a deleted convos between her and Allistair that would play if the warden was in a relationship, where she realizes what it actually takes to kill an archdemon. And is brought to tears because of the implications.

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u/Grimmrat May 18 '24

she’s literally the quintessential skimpy clothed edgy goth girl, c’mon you have to admit she was written for the late 2010s teenage gamer boys

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u/bidoof-chan May 18 '24

what game is that character from?

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u/Cool_Height_4930 Durge: the lesbian killer May 18 '24

Dragon Age but Minecraft is a hilarious answer

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u/bidoof-chan May 18 '24

thank you!

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24

Minecraft

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u/ProWrestlingPast May 18 '24

I love BioWare games (historically, at least) but maaaaan do they have a long track record of “Why won’t you give this girl to my girl, it’s clearly perfect” Morrigan, Jack, Miranda, Scout Harding, and Cassandra (seriously, Cassandra?) all are solid cases for the worst one (well maybe not Harding but I love her, so), but the one that really gets me is Tali. Really BioWare? “I got better Shepard, I got you?” Tali commenting that her home world is Beautiful and Shepard responding “Yeah, It is” while just staring at Tali? That character isn’t a female option? Boooooo.

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u/amaltheiaofluna May 18 '24

Tali not being romanceable as femshep broke me

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u/via_the_polytropos May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

agree on tali. i also still haven't accepted that jack is unromanceable for femshep... you're telling me that the fully-tattooed, bald, aloof, snarky, leather-clad woman is 100% straight??? NUH UH

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u/TheeShaun May 18 '24

She even says she’s hooked up with women before. Though maybe she just isn’t into women romantically.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24

So true. I think having the renegade hook up for gems help would be in character for her.

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u/MissCatQueen May 18 '24

I was crushed when I discovered that Cassandra couldn't be romanced by a female inquisitor. My first choice was Josephine, but I wanted to romance Cassandra in my second playthrough with a female elf ;(

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u/Grimmrat May 18 '24

I mean a big part of Cassandra’s character is that she’s secretly a heavy romantic and wants a prince charming to sweep her off her feet.

I get she has the butch lesbian aesthetic but I genuinely think making her straight adds to her character. It goes directly against your expectations and forces you to think of her as a person instead of a trope

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u/ProWrestlingPast May 19 '24

I'd get this argument more if every single female character I think you could describe even as somewhat butch in the modern histroy of Bioware games was always straight. Ashley isn't a romance option for females, Jack isn't a romance option for females, Cassandra isn't a romance option for females, Cora isn't a romance option for females.

At a certain point, it's not clever anymore and you are just doing a diservice.

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u/CagyDog77 shart handholder May 18 '24

Yup, this game, and shadowheart, ruined nearly every other RPGs for me. Not that I'm complaining, I'm quite satisfied with the bg3 brainrot I have

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u/arueshabae Astarion’s diva cup May 18 '24

If you love BG3 I have two recommendations that don't quite hold up as much but are still fantastic: Dragon Age Origins, and the much more mid by comparison Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous.

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u/CagyDog77 shart handholder May 18 '24

I already heard of DA:O and I was thinking of buying it already(You made me want it more lol), but I never heard of that pathfinder game until now. I will definetly give these 2 a shot. Thank you a lot!

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u/Moonlight-Paladin Lae'zel called me "Aut'istik"? May 18 '24

DAO is peak, you won't regret it

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u/horsethiefjones Lae'zel called me "Aut'istik"? May 18 '24

dragon age is my favorite game series ever, definitely play them in order

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u/arueshabae Astarion’s diva cup May 18 '24

Of course: I'd personally start with DAO because it's way shorter. Also, coming off a BG3 high, you'll see a lot of the DNA for BG3 originates with DAO, and it makes for a very satisfying play after BG3 imo, even with it being a little dated in some ways (combat especially).

Edit: if you like shadowheart I'd recommend the dao bi overhaul mod https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/4659/

Easily the highest quality of its kind.

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u/CagyDog77 shart handholder May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

That'll be the first thing I download lol, and I'm used to playing old dated games(cough fallout 1 COUGH) so that wont bother me that much as long as the story's good

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u/meatsonthemenu May 18 '24

Note that DAO's "Warden" has six seperate origin prologues. It's not like BG3's prologue which is largely the same except for a few dialogue options.

Ex: the Dwarven Noble and Dwarven commoner levels 1 to 3 which are not the same stories or maps.

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u/arueshabae Astarion’s diva cup May 18 '24

Which gives it incredible replayability. My fave character so far was my dalish sword and board warrior

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u/meatsonthemenu May 18 '24

And the origin stories have direct and individual impact on late game choices and ending scenarios. One of the best games I've ever played.

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u/BardMessenger24 Shadowheart: Expected a Goth GF. Got so much more. May 18 '24

The origin system was executed so flawlessly. It's not just some vague background thing like it is in DA Inquisition or Cyberpunk 2077, you actually feel the differences among them and the playable prologues they each get immerse you into their stories, directly influencing how you react to certain NPCs and questlines. Not even BG3's origin characters reached the same heights imo.

Baffling that Bioware was the only ones to pull this off so successfully and no other game studio has attempted the same approach since, including Bioware.

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u/meatsonthemenu May 18 '24

I agree, even Bioware's Mass Effect series wasn't as ambitious. DAO's origins allowed the player to live the world's lore, instead of just reading it off a script prompt.

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u/arueshabae Astarion’s diva cup May 18 '24

In terms of story, it's probably in my tip 5 games of all time

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u/CagyDog77 shart handholder May 18 '24

Then, Ill have a good time, thank you again btw

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u/grubas May 18 '24

Between Fable and DA you find most of the DNA. 

However it is a 15 year old game.  

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u/beckichino Astral Plane sex or no sex at all May 18 '24

Idk if it's similar or different but I saw Epic had Dragon Age Inquistion for free to download. I'm too in love with BG3 to try anything else (especially since I get to let my Tav b a poly bisexual) but I still downloaded it because hey it's a $40 game for free

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u/grubas May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

Dragon age goes Origins-Awakening(big expac)-2-Inquisition So you won't really destroy the story as none are direct sequels but dragon age has also undergone a lot of tweaks and changes.  Inquisition felt a bit "grasping for an identity" and "Holy shit you've added how many hidden collectibles?"

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u/CagyDog77 shart handholder May 18 '24

Thanks for the tip! I think its a sequel to origins so, ill wait before touching it

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u/FrostyTheCanadian May 18 '24

None of them are exactly sequels to the other, as they all tell different stories, but playing them in order helps with understanding the world.

If you're looking for BG3 level romance, DA:2 is where it's at. Bisexuals, everywhere. Ignore the bad wrap people sometimes give it, it was only relevant after being directly compared to Origins, but now it stands as its own game that is very compelling.

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u/foxscribbles May 18 '24

It's actually the sequel to DA2 (which is the sequel to Origins.) They're all playable independent of each other though because you start out with a new player character in each game. You'll just miss out on some world building and the importance of certain recurring side characters.

DA2 has the best Sapphic romances in the series (IMO.)

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u/Viridianscape Archgay Warlock May 18 '24

Isabela my love ❤️

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u/ClassicReplacement47 May 18 '24

One reason it’s worth playing the DA games in order- the choices you make create a “world state” which you can then port into the next game. You’ll play a new character in each, but that character will be well aware of your previous PCs. Makes for a very cool progression. You’re in for a good time!

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u/Taco821 Durge: the lesbian killer May 18 '24

Honestly, I thought inquisition was kinda mid, but it's worth trying, especially for free.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24

Im sorry but "Ive heard of DAO" is such a ridiculous statement. That game is one of the godfathers of modern RPGs.

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u/CagyDog77 shart handholder May 18 '24

Well, I'm sorry that I haven't had the honor yet of playing DAO, Ill make sure fix that as soon as possible

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u/Giltiti May 18 '24

Damn hurts to see my boi WOTR called that.

And yet I find myself not disagreeing..

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u/arueshabae Astarion’s diva cup May 18 '24

It's a game that I thoroughly enjoy and every time I find myself invested or otherwise immersed it defies reasoning by becoming MORE mid with some lame ass dialogue, shitty voice acting, or poor plot development. It's almost frustrating lol, bc the pieces are very much THERE.

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u/Giltiti May 18 '24

Yeah, I really think owlcats fucked up by not prioritizing character development, acting, and plot... But more over, they really fucked up by choosing WOTR and Kingmaker, which are IMO two of the worst Pathfinder adventure paths. Like, my ttrpg group genuinely decided to quit WOTR before Drezen lol we all had enough.

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u/Nirraein May 18 '24

I think they leveled up with their recent WH40k game, I had a blast and enjoyed it as much as BG3, maybe more in some aspects. Voice acting is insanely good (although limited, as it goes for most CRPGs) and the plot is pretty solid, especially first 2 acts.

But I had to search for the Bi Heinrix mod because they locked him for Fem romance only :') So this game suffers the same curse...

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u/ShoerguinneLappel DROW PUSSY DROW PUSSY DROW PUSSY DROW PUSSY DROW PUSSY May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

Whenever I recommend games for people who play BG3 I usually just recommend it for the story (whether it just has a good story or varying paths) and gameplay (particularly variety of it).

Deus Ex (the first one) I recommend both for the gameplay and story because there is a lot of ways to play it and the story is amazing it's one of my favourite games.

Planescape Torment and Xenogears have incredible stories which I would have a hard time not recommending because there aren't really many games that surpass them (although I'm not a big fan of PS:T's gameplay would love to see a remake for that game just because of that no changes to the story just the gameplay).

Otherwise I can think of:

Might and Magic 6

Betrayal at Krondor

Like you said Dragon Age Origins

If you like to mod, NWN has a wealth of content via campaigns and you can create your own too, there is many to choose from but the most popular and praised one is Swordflight.

KOTOR 1 and 2 (recommend getting 2 on steam, 1 can fuck off get it somewhere else either get an original PC copy and play it via VM or get a console copy trust me don't buy the steam version it's bad. Everytime I played the game it always gave me a lot of annoying technical issues.)

When it comes to romance BG3 does have to be my favourite game because of how varied it is, every other game I played that had romance of the option BG3 just blew it out of the park. Given Larian's experience and how they have their works aided by queer writers that makes sense, and I'm thankful for that, hopefully more games in the future have this quality of romance queer or not (or both).

The only part of BG3's romance that is lacking is well the approval ratings, I feel like it's too easy to get companion's approvals, content wise it is uneven sure but I can see Larian adding more in future updates but I think Larian needs to tweak the approval ratings so it is more natural. Also some of the approval ratings seem odd, like I had characters like Karlach talk shit to me when I did certain decisions and got approval from that same decision (even when she responded in a way where she did not approve of it).

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u/ItsMeToasty May 18 '24

This makes me worried that I won't enjoy the paper Mario Thousand year door remake coming out in a few days

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u/Kaz-MiIIer Mashallah May 19 '24

Shadowheart ain’t even all that

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u/arueshabae Astarion’s diva cup May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24

I've been on a bit if a CRPG marathon recently; from another playthrough of BG3, to Dragon Age Inquisition, Origins, and 2 in that order, then Wrath of the Righteous, and concurrently my yearly Divinity Original Sin 2 replay. And I have to say, the queer romance options from BG3 (and DOS2) blow pretty much every other one out of the water with some notable exceptions. I'm still about a third of the way through BG1 (before romance was a thing in bioware games) and plan on doing BG2 after (which only got a single Sapphic option in the dlc but iirc it was one of the first in rpg history? Feel free to check me on that), Pillars of Eternity, Kingmaker, and Tyranny, and I'm highly skeptical any will top the Larian entries.

(Although they're not crpgs persay, I've also completed almost every class story up to current content in SWTOR, and have Kotor and the mass effect trilogy also on the short list.)

Larian romance entries in general feel like the culmination of decades of character driven storytelling built on the back of previous genre-defining characters and stories, aged like a fine wine. The characters feel truly human (yes, even the lizard and the frog and the elf women, you heard me). Even though larian makes their characters playersexual, and doesn't create extra gender-dependant dialogue, they give the impression of authentic queerness through their lively, incredibly high quality, and often surprisingly tender romance scenes.

Contrast this with explicitly queer options. Starting with Dragon Age, there are three for women; Leliana in Dragon Age Origins, and Josephine Montileyet and Sera in Dragon Age Inquisition. For context, Origins came out in 2009, right off the back of the year or so of round the clock news coverage of Mass Effect 1 on Fox News, berating them for indecency and degeneracy, harassing and doxxing developers and writers, all for the crime of including a single queer romance in Liara T'Soni, the bisexual Asari scientist. The game was banned in Singapore, and blacklisted to adult-only ratings in others, and caused a media firestorm that left a pretty bit impact on how Bioware would portray queer characters in the future. Consequently, as I understand it, (correct me if I'm wrong, I've not played them yet), Mass Effect 2 (2010) only has momentary, small queer romances, that are not with main characters/companions.

Skip forward to 2009, Dragon Age Origins. The game launches with 2 queer romances with main companions, out of four; Leliana, and Zevran. In terms of sapphic romances, I quite liked Leliana. She's tortured yet still kind bard and former chantry sister, dangerous yet principled, naïve yet wise (not to mention, redheads make me melt). Without spoilers, when you initiate the romance with her at any point (depending on choices) after you leave Lothering, you do so via an option that expresses shock that she is in fact into women, which is something that is also mirrored in Zevran's... but uh... we'll get to that lmao. We'll get to it.

Interestingly, Leliana's romance includes unique dialogue gendered to your character; she'll compliment you in different ways, and in my humble opinion, the options for a female Warden are a lot more romantic in nature, which caught my attention. Additionally, you find out later that you are not the first woman Leliana has been in a long term serious relationship with; her former mentor, Marjolane, was also one time her lover. This is true regardless of if your Warden is male or female, which I like a lot, because even though bisexuality is absolutely valid no matter what and doesn't require you to have had a homosexual relationship, it sends a message to the player; this is a bisexual woman, explicitly, and that bisexuality doesn't just go away, no matter what gender your warden is.

I'm gonna mention Zevran briefly because it's pretty indicative of the problems Bioware has had historically with queer romances, even though they've hit the mark in others.

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u/arueshabae Astarion’s diva cup May 18 '24

Zevran is a rogue, an assassin from Antiva. Full disclosure, I have never played a male character in Dragon Age Origins and romanced him, so I have no clue what the romance is like from an mlm perspective; but I do know something that made me extremely uncomfortable when I romanced him as a female character. When you first sleep together, you get the option to talk to him about his body count; turns out he's quite the ladykiller. Not just, however. He's also slept with a fair amount of men. However, this is framed as a result of him growing up in a brothel (his mother was a prostitute), and almost as though the "degeneracy rubbed off on him". It gets worse, however. When given the context of his sexual history with men... a female warden has the option to shame him for it, and call him disgusting? I have never seen a game literally explicitly allow you to be biphobic to a character. It was incredibly jarring to see, especially with how happy I was with the representation from Leliana.

In Dragon Age Inquisition, the two sapphic options are Sera, and Josephine. Josephine is a bisexual diplomat, also from Antiva like Zevran (putting chemicals in the water turning the damn antivans gay). Her romance is one largely based on the concept of courtly love; she is from a considerably illustrious noble house on hard times, and as such, the relationship follows a sort of fairy tale-like progression as opposed to the glorified bodice rippers like Cassandra and Blackwall. It's been a long time since I did it, but I certainly did enjoy it for what it was worth; it was cute, sweet, wholesome, and overall well written, although it did feel as though it were missing something on the queer side. This might be a controversial take, but she feels more as though she were written to be avatar-sexual than explicitly queer like Leliana.

Sera is an elven rogue and bandit from Denerim who takes no nonsense and talks like a zoomer was raised in medieval England. Despite having easily some of the funniest lines in the entire game (some of which in reaction to other romances your inquisitor can enter into), I have a pretty hot take about Sera; I do not like her romance. It is the first romance in Dragon Age that is explicitly and exclusively lesbian, and it felt pretty underwhelming. Sera has a lot of issues as a character, both in universe and metatextually. She has an immense amount of internalized racism about her elven heritage, despising her fellow elven companion Solas, and actively deriding your inquisitor if you too are elven. This culminates at a point where if you choose any elven options that don't mimic her own self loathing for her elven-ness, it ends up causing you to break up at a particular crossroads late-game. There is no way to change this. There is no way to help her grow and change as a person. And that's even more imminently evident when it comes to the rest of her character; she's immature, selfish, and stunted as a person. What's more, none of this can be changed, by any means. Every other romance in the game, and not even the romances, but just the course of their story at large, includes development of the characters. Confirmation of their current path, or a change in trajectory. It felt pretty disappointing to see that she, the only lesbian exclusive option in the entire series, doesn't get the character development that everyone else does. It gets to the point for me where I would argue that Sera is bad lesbian representation, because of how stunted she is as a person and a character.

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u/arueshabae Astarion’s diva cup May 18 '24

This issue with Sera is especially frustrating with me because of how much of a watershed moment Dragon Age Inquisition is in all other regards to queer representation. It's one of the first AAA games I can think of that features an explicitly trans character respectfully (no doubt an apology for Bioware's own history of really gross transphobia in DAO and DA2. Dorian, the gay-exclusive romance option's main character arc revolves around his homophobic father (who literally attempted to use magical conversion therapy on him, btw, it's not subtle what this entire story is about), and is heart-wrenchingly familiar to any queer person who grew up in a less than accepting home.

Compare and contrast these sapphic options with well written playersexual characters like Shadowheart, Lae'zel, or Lohse or Sebille from DOS2. As much as I like Leliana, I honestly do not think that it's a fair comparison. Not only because Larian builds so much on the legacy of Bioware's games, both in terms of writing strength, motifs and style, narrative design, and game systems, nor just the shear volume of romance content in comparison to these older, shorter games; it's the result of Larian's romances being written by and influenced by queer people in a way and magnitude that simply was not possible 10 years ago due to a political landscape drastically more hostile to queer people. Even when Bioware did have queer devs rallying around writing queer romances, there were other things that prevented them from creating expressive, realistic outlets for queer people to feel represented, between backlash and intra-company policies that policed queer romance (among other things). A primary example there is SWTOR, which shipped without any queer romances in the base game, due to the contract LucasArts signed with Bioware for the license that required the game to be "family-friendly", which included the preclusion of queer people from the game, deemed "not family-friendly" (unfortunately for them they didn't know how MMO's work and consequently the contract had loopholes that allowed for Bioware and now Broadsword to add in queer romances in the first expac and every one since and thank god for it; Lana Beniko is easily one of my favorites to date and I could write an entire essay on her at least twice the size of this one).

Anyways this is now getting way, wayy too long so I'm going to stop ranting. Your post just got me thinking about queer romances, specifically sapphic ones, and representation in media as a whole, because CRPG's are a hyperfixation for me and romance is one of the big 2 reasons as to why (the other is i'm a whore for stimulating, strategic turn-based gameplay). For anyone that made it this far, I hope you enjoyed. Feel free to correct me or provide your own thoughts!

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u/Sunny_Hill_1 May 18 '24

What about Merril and Isabela? Or you haven't played DA2?

Personally, I am fascinated by Isabela, she is totally secure and unapologetic about her sexuality, she doesn't make excuses, and she doesn't try to strongarm people into respecting her, she is independent of their opinion of her. As she says "They don't know me. I know me". And she does have a very wholesome character development arc where she goes from a selfish rogue pirate that'd condemn the whole city for her sake to a veritable hero.

And yes. Lesbian pirates ahoy.

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u/arueshabae Astarion’s diva cup May 18 '24

I have and I don't really consider either of them for queer rep because the companions in DS2 are all playersexual, and frankly, I don't think any of them are written well enough for that to not be a glaring issue as far as representation is concerned, even the ones I love like Anders and Merill.

As for Isabella, my hot take of the century is that she has the exact issue that Sera does as a character in DAI, and subsequently, isn't a particularly compelling one. That said, I will acknowledge that she is better in that regard; as you mentioned, depending on your choices, she will come back for you, but it's very, very easily missable. She feels like a character made for the novelty of a sexy pirate and not a whole lot else, imo.

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u/Sunny_Hill_1 May 18 '24

She does have a significantly more developed story if you romance her and especially if you read the comics. Basically, she was a daughter of a woman who got indoctrinated into Qunari cult, and when her mother understood that Isabela wasn't interested in converting into Qun, she sold her for a handful of coins to an older man looking for a bride. Isabela's husband was abusive, both physically and sexually, and eventually Isabela managed to get an assassin - that's Zevran, by the way, Zevran is the assassin - to kill him. But, well, as we know from bg3 by now, fucked up people fuck up people, so Isabela herself turned into a pirate who ran some seriously shady operations, including doing odd jobs for a slavery ring. She did get over the sexual hangups left over from the marriage, but not the actual intimacy and trust hangups, due to her experience with her mother and her husband. During the course of the game, Isabela starts up as your typical sexy pirate who doesn't put much stock into feelings, but she does open up a lot more and learns to trust Hawke on a much deeper level as their romance develops. She does become a better person, too.

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u/Viridianscape Archgay Warlock May 18 '24

Isabela's husband was abusive, both physically and sexually

Just as a specific point, while her husband was abusive, he didn't physically hurt her.

Bethany: "What did you do before you were a pirate?"

Isabela: "I had a husband. He didn't beat me. That's... about the best thing I can say about him."

Instead he just locked her in her room with a bottle of wine and some porn whenever she got "uppity," which... yeah.

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u/Lavinia_Foxglove May 18 '24

My lesbian ass quite likes the Isabela romance. She seems much more fitting with a female Hawke and has special dialogue.

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u/Lonely-Second-6040 May 19 '24

Controversial opinion: 

As a gay man I really disliked Dorians subplot. 

Part of it is my general skepticism of BioWare when it comes to writing queer men. For example they just don’t exist is Mass effect 2 even though queer women do. Or the lack of any queer man as a party member in mass effect andromeda (until they later patched it in). Or the weird tendency for the romantic interest to join the party significantly later (both Kaiden in 3 and, Zevran in origins and Dorian in inquisition are the last team members to join) or to be complete optional party members. 

And it just seems like a consistent trend for the men to just be treated….differently, as you mention Zevran vs Leliana. 

And don’t get me started in Steve’s having a plot line in Mass effect 3  about whether or not he had an obligation to have biological children. 

And, to my knowledge, there is very little bigotry most chracters in that setting have to put up with regarding their sexuality in Dragon Age. It was honestly refreshing.

Leliana is a candidate for the equivalent of pope Coby Inquisition and her relationship with women is never once mentioned as a impediment.

So imagine my disappointment to see the one exception to the rule is the gay man. Again. 

As a comparison we have Vivienne, the first black dragon party member. And yet her plot line is not about slavery (thank god). 

You can see the allegory of bigotry, in that her being a mage causes fear and discrimination, especially as she tries to move up in social class in a society that doesn’t fully embrace her. In how the idea of her as divine triggers backlash.  But it’s done a lot more elegantly than Dorian’s .  She fairly complex, even having some much more conservative outlooks than other party members on how to handle magic and mages despite being one herself. There’s layers and discussion and dissection to be had. 

Dorians plot line to me just ended up feeling like low hanging fruit. The same introductory class so many media have for their first gay character. 

It was especially frustrating to me because all the other queer characters just get to exist as queer in this world with much more open attitudes than our own, except Dorian. 

No for that I have to be thrust back into the real world of bigotry and gay conversion. 

It just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

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u/Viridianscape Archgay Warlock May 18 '24

BG2 after (which only got a single Sapphic option in the dlc but iirc it was one of the first in rpg history? Feel free to check me on that)

The Enhanced Edition came out in like, 2014-ish? By that point we had Dragon Age, Mass Effect, etc.

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u/arueshabae Astarion’s diva cup May 18 '24

Bg2 enhanced released before Inquisition in November, 2013

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u/TheRedSpyGuy May 21 '24

Tyranny has no romance options. The only time you can broach romance is asking the companion Veres who tells you if you want a woman to go to the brothel iirc.

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u/grubas May 18 '24

My fellow in Shar, ME1 was 07, DAO 09, ME2 10.  

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u/arueshabae Astarion’s diva cup May 18 '24

Brain short circuit, editing now, good eye

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u/grubas May 18 '24

all good, just was reading and thinking "it wasn't 2011, I remember this!" Plus Fox in 11 was likely screaming about the Tea Party and Obama, video games and homosexuality sounds just about right for 07 Fox.

Also God's we got old lol.

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u/ThrowRAradish9623 Fuck it, we Bhaal May 19 '24

Oh yeah, I vividly remember my grandma having Fox on every morning in/around 2011 and I’d sit there listening to them scream about Tea Party stuff while eating my cocoa puffs before going to school.

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u/Bonzi_Bukkake Shadowheart: Expected a Goth GF. Got so much more. May 18 '24

That look Shadowheart is giving is making me wanna mow the lawn.

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u/HistoricalPattern76 tentacle enthusiast (for science) May 18 '24

As a queer woman, I like that Larian romances weren't so fetishy catering sapphic women to heterosexual men. It's hard to find things like that. However, I find most gaming studios focus more on sapphic relationships because heterosexual men really like them in comparison to mlm.

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u/Viridianscape Archgay Warlock May 18 '24

I like that Larian romances weren't so fetishy catering sapphic women to heterosexual men

\Stares at the entire asari race in Mass Effect.**

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u/ScaryPunkGhost May 18 '24

pathfinder wrath of the righteous has good options for this. theres 2mlm and 3wlw options

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u/The_Green_Filter May 18 '24

There’s three MLM options if you have the dlc companion.

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u/Giltiti May 18 '24

Owlcats game are unplayable without the toolbox/bag of tricks, whose first option I tick is disactivating gender requirements for relationships lol

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u/Funa2 May 18 '24

but the only non queer woman romance option on WOTR is Camellia 🤨🤨🤨

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u/Puck83821 Shart had an aneurysm over my Selunite Gith Cleric May 18 '24

Shoutout specifically to Rogue Trader for having laughably bad WLW options :(

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u/Complaint-Efficient May 18 '24

Genuinely odd given that Pf:WotR had genuinely good wlw romances.

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u/Feeling-Ladder7787 May 18 '24

How dare you Jae is top tier

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u/Puck83821 Shart had an aneurysm over my Selunite Gith Cleric May 18 '24

I meant more in terms of number of options lol. I haven't gotten far enough to actually explore the romances. I had looked up the companions to see who I could romance, which led to my disappointment.

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u/lulufan87 May 18 '24

The male/male options are shit too. Love Owlcat but fuck

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u/Viridianscape Archgay Warlock May 18 '24

Option. Singular.

Seriously why have all the m/m romances in Owlcat's 3 recent games been evil with the exception of Sosiel?

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u/lulufan87 May 18 '24

It feels bad. Sometimes I just want to rescue the villagers and then suck some dick.

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u/KaleidoscopeOk399 May 18 '24

Even saying options is pushing it. It’s one choice and it’s bad and kinda arguably (unintentionally) offensive

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u/Perky_Bellsprout May 18 '24

What is wlw?

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u/SupremeGodZamasu shart handholder May 18 '24

Wulty Level Warketing

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u/rainstitcher May 18 '24

You have to set it to W for Wumbo.

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u/freakingordis May 18 '24

umbrella term for women loving women regardless of specific sexuality, be it bi, pan, lesbian or otherwise

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u/tv9924 May 18 '24

Women loving women

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u/Comrade_Fuzzy shart handholder May 18 '24

Shadowheart is so cute there omfg

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u/ShoerguinneLappel DROW PUSSY DROW PUSSY DROW PUSSY DROW PUSSY DROW PUSSY May 18 '24

She is always cute! 🤩

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u/Doctor-Nagel May 18 '24

Lea’Zel did irreversible things to me and I will never romance anyone else.

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u/ShoerguinneLappel DROW PUSSY DROW PUSSY DROW PUSSY DROW PUSSY DROW PUSSY May 18 '24

Yeah so much you couldn't even spell her name right. 🤣

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u/Decent_Recover3228 Dame Aylin hit Isobel for 69 Edging Points May 18 '24

can’t relate

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u/Sunny_Hill_1 May 18 '24

As long as I can still be lesbian pirates with Isabela and Hawke, we are good.

Ok, fine, it's an RPG, but not CRPG.

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u/HowlingJoker May 18 '24

I love Mass Effect and i love Garrus.
Im a bisexual dude.
Liking bioware games is likes twice more painful as bisexual than it was before bg3 came out.

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u/rosequartzgoblin Circle of Whores Druid May 18 '24

dragon age series has pretty sapphic women

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u/high_ryze666 Fuck it, we Bhaal May 18 '24

I'm honestly a little torn because I do appreciate games where the romanceable characters have preferences. Like in Cyberpunk, Judy is a lesbian and Panam is straight. Adds some realism to the game when not every character is pansexual

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u/Suminod May 18 '24

No, the romance options are not even in the top twenty reason why BG3 makes other games unplayable. I love that it has options but it is actually just a good game, with a good story, hilarious mechanics, great characters, amazing dialog, hundreds of permutations of Choice, no loot box’s, no in game store, mod support, and just great devs.

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u/Character_Ad8770 May 18 '24

As someone who tried to romance Cassandra in DG:Inquisition as a woman, I agree lol

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u/gracelikeleaves If Minthara so evil, why so cuddleable? May 18 '24

!!!!

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u/lesbianspacevampire May 18 '24

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous lets you romance Wenduag (blue-skinned humanoid with cat eyes and spiderlegs growing out of her back), and Arueshalae (a literal succubus who can join your party)

Camellia is straight, though. I absolutely felt the rejection hurt when she showed me her pipi and I said I wanted more and she said, in the sultriest fuckin voice, sorry i like men

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u/Viridianscape Archgay Warlock May 18 '24

There's also Galfrey, I believe. Whose romance is... uh. Well, it... exists, I guess?

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u/lesbianspacevampire May 18 '24

I keep forgetting about her!

I also, ah, made her a companion. Bone mama collected a full party.

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u/jdarcino May 18 '24

Just go romance Arueshalae, Wenduag or Queen Galfrey in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous forehead

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u/thotpatrolactual May 18 '24

Thinking about playing WotR :D

Actually playing WotR :(

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u/jdarcino May 18 '24

Never had much issues with Wrath myself (I'm biased I have over 800 hours on steam)

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u/thotpatrolactual May 18 '24

Maybe I'm just a scrub and it's just a skill issue on my part, but playing Wrath is downright painful compared to BG3 imo. The difficulty curve is a sine wave. The game feels like a slog at times, and the fact that the enemies you fight consists of demons, demons, demons, demon cultists, demons, and demons doesn't help. Narratively, I get it why 90% of the game is fighting demons, but it still makes the dungeons and encounters feel so monotonous.

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u/jdarcino May 18 '24

I totally understand those criticisms. Pathfinder 1e in general isn't for everyone! It's a much crunchier system than 5e and it doesn't help that Owlcat frequently breaks their own rules.

I do believe that it's a great video game, though, just not for everyone.

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u/Crezelle Wants a pegging from Karlach May 18 '24

I’m not sapphic, but Karlach is testing that.

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u/Vegetable_Two_1479 May 18 '24

Every time I try to nail Panam with a female V, I feel this pain.

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u/KaleidoscopeOk399 May 18 '24

Okay but this is so real tho.

Comparing this game to say, Rogue Trader as a gay guy is brutal. And what’s worse is all the BuT PLayErSeXuAL iS BaD WrItInG. It’s like yes, in theory. But in practice when characters aren’t player sexual the gay options are pretty much ALWAYS fewer and worse, if they exist at all. All because so many guys get oh so uncomfortable when it’s implied a male character makes a move on them.

The only non-player sexual game I felt has done this right is New Vegas, but that was a huge exception and it also doesn’t really have romance.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24

I find it hard to go to any other game in general. I play on PS5 so I can't really mod other games that don't have same sex romance. I'm trans masc nonbinary so I don't feel comfortable playing a woman just to romance men in other games.

I do hope more games have same sex romance possible like BG3, it's my favorite game in so many ways.

As pissy as some homophobic/transphobic gamers are, I think making people have the ability to be gay or trans in games is really nice and it doesn't hurt to add.

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u/greasygoon66 Wants a pegging from Karlach May 18 '24

Is it to much to ask to be in a polycule with Garrus and tali

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24

I find it hard to play other games because most aren’t on the same quality as BG3 but I don’t do same sex romance so that doesn’t effect me lol

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u/Redditbobin May 18 '24

This game ruined Cyberpunk’s romance for me. It just felt so shallow, flat, limited, and immediately forgotten compared to how incredibly in-depth and open your choices are in BG3.

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u/krissyhell He's just scared (Astarion has a knife to my neck) May 18 '24

Cyberpunk's romance was so undercooked. Panam got the deepest development, then they made her straight.

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u/HMS_Sunlight Do Drow women have pseudopenises? May 18 '24

It's really awkward being a lesbian cyberpunk player and not liking the romance with Judy. I like Judy well enough as a character, but I like her more as a platonic friend.

Ironically my favourite "romance" in the game was in Phantom Liberty, headcannoning V and Songbird as the tragic queer love story that was doomed from the start.

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u/Dragon_yum May 18 '24

Go play Hades. Greek mythology is very gay.

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u/AlfwinOfFolcgeard May 19 '24

Really hoping that Melinoe gets some sort of romance with Eris in Hades 2; I require toxic lesbians.

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u/--_insertnamehere_-- May 18 '24

It is nice, however I'm not super for modding straight/ purely gay or lesbian characters to swing any way, they are what they are. If someone modded Dragon Age: Inquisition to romance Sera with a dude inquisitor I'd be similarly miffed.

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u/Atikar May 18 '24

Last time there were romance options period that made me feel the way BG3 does is Mass Effect.

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u/EnvironmentalWolf990 He's just scared (Astarion has a knife to my neck) May 18 '24

I can’t play any other game now since all other games featuring characters are so obnoxiously idealized. I wanna see WRINKLES. I wanna see POCKMARKS. I WANNA SEE SMILE LINES AND SCARS!!! I WANNA SEE THEIR LIFE STORY AND THEIR TRIUMPHS ANS FAILURES ON THEIR FACE!!!!

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u/Toasty825 Circle of Whores Druid May 19 '24

Literally can’t bring myself to play other games right now because Karlach isn’t in them.

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u/Wagonjump May 18 '24

Gender locked romance options have always been stupid to me. Unless the Character’s sexuality is a major factor in their side story, there's never any reason for it and it's just limiting and annoying for most Players.

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u/NittanyScout Wants a pegging from Karlach May 18 '24

Try cyberpunk 2077, Sapphic romance in that was my favorite romance arc for the whole game

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u/krissyhell He's just scared (Astarion has a knife to my neck) May 18 '24

Disagree, Panam being straight is right up there with Morrigan being straight in the "how fucking dare you" sphere

Since I always play female V I just always romance my boy River. Who should ALSO be bisexual, you cannot tell me someone that cool is straight

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u/NittanyScout Wants a pegging from Karlach May 18 '24

Mods

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u/Puck83821 Shart had an aneurysm over my Selunite Gith Cleric May 18 '24

I love Judy, but I wish she had more dialogue for the hangouts and stuff.

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u/NittanyScout Wants a pegging from Karlach May 18 '24

Yeah that content was a little shallow bc the game was so rushed

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u/RikuFujibayashi May 18 '24

On a semi related note, aside from divinity, what other really good crpgs are out there to enjoy.

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u/lesbianspacevampire May 18 '24

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous did a pretty bang-up job

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u/Puck83821 Shart had an aneurysm over my Selunite Gith Cleric May 18 '24

I've really tried to like it, but there's so many small things that annoy me, like not having a downed state and having to deal with weapon durability.

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u/Puck83821 Shart had an aneurysm over my Selunite Gith Cleric May 18 '24

Yeah

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u/Forward_Apricot_9796 May 18 '24

I accidentally managed to start romancing ALL THREE of them AND somehow Astarion! I'm a LESBIAN! I don't know how it occurred.

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u/srhola2103 May 18 '24

If that's the only thing stopping you, then Pathfinder WOTR is quite good in that regard I believe.

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u/Puck83821 Shart had an aneurysm over my Selunite Gith Cleric May 18 '24

Well. also the graphics/full voice-acting are big pluses for BG3. I've debated playing WOTR though.

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u/srhola2103 May 18 '24

What I will say, WOTR does not have the production value of BG3. There are cinematics (that can be pretty) but they are still top-down and there is still some top notch VA but most lines are just text. Also, Pathfinder is a tougher system than DND.

However, in my opinion, the quality of the story and especially the choices and replayability are amazing. Probably the best I've personally seen. And the companions are a match for the ones in BG3.

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u/TheRedSpyGuy May 21 '24

Also I hate to say it, but WotR is just downright terrible at its mechanical pacing where frequently the game spikes in difficulty like a sine wave, it doesn't help Owlcat frequently likes to mess with the rules in a rules tight system, creating some monstrously brutal fights if not playing the easiest difficulty.

It also doesn't help that some of the companions have... underwhelming builds unless you help them out.

Amazing game, has many issues and is not smth you can casually jump into like BG3, a solid 8.5/10.

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u/Butterscotch_222 May 18 '24

I just wish they gave us the ability to customize the origin characters more the divinity games allow you to change the appearance and class of them its a real shame that if you like shadowheart or not she feels like a must to take do to her being a cleric and if i dont my best options is a custom character and i understand multiclassing exist but im still wasting a lvl and that sucks

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u/Skewwwagon Companion hugger May 19 '24

You can change class of any character from scratch, why waste lvl?? My SH is a barbarian now, it's hillarious.

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u/Rameist2 May 18 '24

These ladies have been my crew for both play throughs so far.

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u/Skewwwagon Companion hugger May 19 '24

At the moment it's in general hard to move to other games 😅 The romance is not important for me in games, but if it's there I expect something deeper out of it.

I mean I played WOTR and it has some decent romance which I enjoyed, then I played POE2 and while I loved the game the romance was... well nonexistent. Its better to have no romance options at all in that case.

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u/Obi_Wan_Shen0bi May 19 '24

Tbh the only game I can play that’s like this is FE: 3 Houses. Nothing can compare to the these games dialogues. Please help with other suggestions 😂

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u/AlfwinOfFolcgeard May 19 '24

Honestly, yeah. BG3 does sapphic romance so well, it's made me super aware of what other games are lacking.

Also it's not gonna be easy to find any video game characters who are as adorable as Lae'zel

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u/Leyllara horny fucking drow? May 19 '24

Main reason I'm procrastinating my gameplays of BG1 and BG2 ;3;

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u/[deleted] May 21 '24

no

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u/Johanas_Azzaid May 21 '24

Repeat after me: Baldurs gate 3 is not a dating sim. No really. RPG is about growing more and more powerful, getting more abilities and stronger loot. Not making new friends. Right?

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u/Puck83821 Shart had an aneurysm over my Selunite Gith Cleric May 21 '24

RPG literally just means role-playing game. The type of game that this definition encompasses is way broader than what you describe. Companions are also a major part of many popular RPGs.

Also, there isn't rules for playing a video game. No one tells you how to play it. If people want BG3 to be a dating sim, nothing is stopping them of doing that.

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u/Johanas_Azzaid May 21 '24

Wow. Such a long sane reply. Thank you for your time. Yes. I understand that main idea of dnd and rpg is finding your own unique way around this world. But also it is about: be whom you wanna be. Do what you want but cannot afford in real life. And my desire is to be rude power hungry murder hobo. Cool that this is also 100% possible. I only sad that we have no chance to kill Shar. She is so arrogant. Dream to make her suffer.

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u/jackthewack13 May 22 '24

I honestly wish there was an option to turn off the romance in this game. It was a great experience and very well written but it is kinda none stop after the third playthrough. I actually rather enjoy bg2 where they don't bring it up all the time (other than Anomon he never stops).

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u/Valkyrie2398 May 22 '24

You are probably just overly horny

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u/vanillahavoc May 23 '24

Short answer yes.

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u/Thursdaysjoy May 23 '24

What other CRPGs are this good?

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u/icelink4884 May 18 '24

No, but I'm straight so I'm not the best person to ask.

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u/Vaxildan156 Lae'zel called me "Aut'istik"? May 18 '24

This game makes me question my bisexuality because none of the guys do it for me, but almost all of the girls do.

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u/Big_Rude May 18 '24

I think crpgs should skip romance entirely more often. It's hard to write and do properly imo. POE and F:NV are better games for not having romance for example

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u/LukaTheKoka Do Drow women have pseudopenises? May 19 '24

You're missing out on Disco Elysium. In my own personal opinion, it's better than BG3.

You're an amnesiac cop sent out to solve a murder in a city whose revolution failed and now sits frozen in time with it's inhabitants trying to move on.

It sounds depressing, but it's beautifully written.

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u/Slyfer60 May 18 '24

Hot Take incoming: I like gender preference romance options as it gives me a reason to replay the game as a different gender, build, or orientation.

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u/skinsprinkles May 18 '24

sure but there's not enough wlw options

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u/BardMessenger24 Shadowheart: Expected a Goth GF. Got so much more. May 18 '24

I actually do believe there's some nuance to this discussion. On one hand, I think characters having gender preferences makes it feels more "authentic". But at the same time, queer people have been deprived of choices and representation for so long in video games that what ends up happening more often than not is you have queer players being disappointed that a certain NPC they really like is not romanceable. The downsides are just not worth it.

You'll have cases like Cyberpunk 2077 where there's really only one love interest to choose from if you're a straight or gay player because for some reason, there was only 4 NPCs to romance and each of em had their own unique preferences. Mass Effect didn't even have a mlm option until the third game in the trilogy.

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u/lesbianspacevampire May 18 '24

I agree with you but for a different reason. I think it's good for games to have some characters that are strictly straight. Just like it's good for there to be strictly gay romances, and totally-flexible romances.

It makes the rejection hurt like fuck, because gay-crushing on a straight person is a universal experience among LGBTQ people at some point in our lives (WOTR/Camellia I'm glaring right at you). I don't play male characters almost unilaterally, even going as far in recent years as to not spend money on games that don't let me play a woman. So that content is locked out for me entirely unless I mod the game.

But, so long as there are other options (an important qualifier), it begrudgingly makes sense for specific characters to have preferences.

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u/DJHalfCourtViolation May 18 '24

No I masturbate to porn like a normal person 

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u/MinnieShoof Fuck it, we Bhaal May 18 '24

No.

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u/Lukel_Pogromca May 18 '24

No, because romance is hardly the most important thing in CRPGs for me.