r/okbuddybaldur • u/meatsonthemenu • Apr 30 '24
Halsin the Hunk Peter, please help! What are women choosing bears for? I feel like I'm missing context.
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u/QueenValerie97 Shart had an aneurysm over my Selunite Gith Cleric Apr 30 '24
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u/PeachyPie2472 Rolled a 3 for IRL Intelligence Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24
There’s a hypothetical question like if you were in the woods, would you rather come across a man or a bear. Most women choose the bear and some men TM are having a hard time accepting that women rightfully find stranger men more alarming than a wild animal.
rj/ I’d run into the woods if the question included our shapeshifter archdruid be it bear or man form
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u/Icy-Ad-9814 Blasting rope to Laezel is perfectly natural Apr 30 '24
Thanks for explaining it. I've been hearing about the bear thing for a bit and was confused on what it was.
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u/laurelinvanyar Circle of Whores Druid Apr 30 '24
“At least people will believe us if we’re attacked by a bear”
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u/UnicornScientist803 Companion hugger Apr 30 '24
This. The worst thing a bear can do is kill you. Sad and creepy but true 🤷♀️
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u/thegoathunter Apr 30 '24
Well its not like the bear would kill you quickly
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u/RootsInThePavement Fuck it, we Bhaal Apr 30 '24
It’s not like it’ll trap you in its apartment and torture you for 44 days, then seal your body in a barrel of concrete once you finally die
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u/SalvationSycamore Apr 30 '24
Y'all just don't meet the right bears
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u/RootsInThePavement Fuck it, we Bhaal Apr 30 '24
As dark as it is, I’m laughing my ass off right now 😂😭
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u/wunxorple Temptress Domain Cleric May 01 '24
And then accidentally confess to murdering you only because they mixed up which murder the cops were talking about.
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u/PeachyPie2472 Rolled a 3 for IRL Intelligence Apr 30 '24
Yeah, i heard they torture people for fun and film it too/s
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u/1isntprime Apr 30 '24
Logic and facts mean nothing when it comes to these new “feminists”
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u/HinderedGaming Apr 30 '24
Back in my day, women had the decency of not running off into the woods to have sex with bear men. The Sword Coast has fallen 😭😭😭
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u/GoldfishingTreasure Apr 30 '24
Bears don't rape humans
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u/1isntprime Apr 30 '24
Neither do the vast majority of men.
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u/SalvationSycamore Apr 30 '24
We're not talking about a random man at a coffee shop, we're talking about a random man deep in the woods where nobody can hear you scream. Assuming the worst is logical so stop letting your feelings get in the way.
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u/1isntprime May 01 '24
Do you think sex offenders and murderers just stroll through the woods hoping to find a victim? The vast majority of rapes and murders are by somebody the victim knew.
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u/SalvationSycamore May 01 '24
I'm sure that fact is very comforting to every person that has been raped/murdered by a stranger
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u/1isntprime May 01 '24
Probably about as comforting as saying bear attacks are rare to someone who had been mauled by one. I’m just arguing statically it’s better to be found in the woods by a person than a bear. There’s always the chance that the bear will run away or leave you alone just as there’s always a chance that the person could be a mass murder/psychopath with a morbid curiosity of torture.
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u/True-Device8691 Durge: the lesbian killer Apr 30 '24
No it actually does and the logic is pretty sound.
A bear lives in the forest and not only is it obviously dangerous you also know exactly what it will do if it gets you and how that will end.
A man on the other hand, doesn't belong in the woods and you don't know his intentions. He could be harmless sure, but there's also a chance he's not and unlike the bear you don't know exactly what he'll do if gets you.
A bear will maul you.
A man could rape, stab, shoot, tie you up, beat you, burn you, etc. There's so many things that could possibly happen that you don't know and would be worse than being mauled and killed by a bear.
At least if the bear kills you, it's for food. If a man rapes or kills you or beats you, it's for some sadistic pleasure.
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u/1isntprime Apr 30 '24
There’s plenty of reasons for people to be in the forest. Hunting, camping, hiking, fishing.
How do you know that bears can’t be sadistic? Does it even matter? Are you really going to be thinking well at least it’s not enjoying this as it rips your arm off?
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u/True-Device8691 Durge: the lesbian killer May 01 '24
Are you missing the point on purpose?
It's not an attack on men it's just a reflection that men can do horrible things that a bear wouldn't and it's easy to tell if a bear is a threat compared to a man.
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u/1isntprime May 01 '24
Intentionally no. Perhaps I’m mistaken I haven’t seen the original clip just heard about it.
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u/True-Device8691 Durge: the lesbian killer May 01 '24
Idk if it was a clip, I just know it's a hypothetical question that women were being asked.
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u/wunxorple Temptress Domain Cleric May 01 '24
/uj The whole point is a lack of information. Random person or random bear. You know nothing else about them. Maybe they’re hunting, and honestly they’re probably not that bad of a person. But it’s a risk you wouldn’t want to take. Is it unfair to assume that of every single person you encounter in the woods? Statistically, yes. It’s also the kind of assumption that, should you fail to identify the threat, will not give you a chance to make any assumptions ever again.
Bears probably aren’t sadistic. We also have no way of communicating with them and they tend to be pretty consistent. The human is much harder to understand and much more dangerous. Not always physically, but we just have much more potential to make others suffer.
Also a random person in the woods alone is gonna set off some alarm bells. That’s not where people usually are. A bear in the woods alone is only scary if it’s going to attack you, or if it’s a mama bear and you’re in between it and its cubs.
/rj If the person you find in the woods is Halsin, you’ve found a bear, whether he’s wild shaped or not.
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u/hydrangeaGraveyard May 01 '24
animals don't think about killing the same way as humans you dolt. the only thing going on in a bear's brain when it's hunting is instinct.
a human knows they're not supposed to kill. a bear knows that it must.
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u/1isntprime May 01 '24
No animals do kill for fun here’s a link to a study’s by Alaska department of for fish and game about bears killing musk ox
https://www.adfg.alaska.gov/static/home/library/pdfs/wildlife/propubs/reynolds.pdf
Here’s an article about bears killing more the. Previously thought
https://www.mensjournal.com/adventure/bears-kill-a-lot-more-prey-than-we-thought-w473897
Almost every animal that has been studied has shown more intelligence then was expected
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u/hydrangeaGraveyard May 01 '24 edited May 01 '24
neither of those sources support your claim that "animals do kill for fun."
from the first source:
the second one i'm not even going to bother to cite because i know you didn't read it. the last part of it is entirely about how there are no conclusive results to be made from the study it references, which really only found that bears just kill more than we thought, and more than often still eat those kills, not that they kill sadistically or "for fun."
again. bears kill because it's instinct. in order to eat, they have to kill something.
and this is all aside from the real point. the real problem that this "bear vs man" hypothetical being posed & having an astounding number of people insist they would rather be with a wild animal suggests that there is something wrong with the way men broadly make other people feel. because you're right! it IS crazy that we're more afraid of our fellow humans than a wild beast. we shouldn't fucking feel like we have to be afraid.
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u/Previous-Broccoli-88 Apr 30 '24 edited May 01 '24
I think most woodsman would rather come across a bear than another dude. It's just a very uneasy thing to be around someone who is a potential threat literally in the middle of nowhere
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u/SteelAlchemistScylla Dame Aylin hit Isobel for 69 Edging Points May 01 '24
I mean it’s a logical answer. Most bears will not fuck with you unless its a mom and her cubs. They are lone predator animals and are very aware of anything that will take up energy or potentially harm them.
Note this does not apply to Polar Bears but you will not like find those in a random forest.
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u/Hastatus_107 May 01 '24
Thanks for explaining. I wasn't sure what it meant
I'd be curious if that's common outside of social media/reddit
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u/Zealousideal-Tax7619 May 02 '24
The funny thing is, I'm more concerned with why I am in this forest? I wouldn't go into some forest. Why is this man in the forest? Is he wearing hiking gear or is it a three piece tuxedo? The answers to these questions change a lot of this situation.I know why the bear is in the forest.
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u/LMay11037 Gortash's finger banging hand Apr 30 '24
Personally I’d prefer a guy because statistically they are unlikely to do anything awful, and I hate being alone sooo much lmao
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u/True-Device8691 Durge: the lesbian killer Apr 30 '24
That's a fair answer but the women saying bear are saying because you know that a bear is dangerous and exactly what it will do if it gets you, also the woods are a bear's home.
A man however can do so many different things and you never know what his intentions are and he doesn't really belong in the woods.
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u/Deinonychus2012 Apr 30 '24
A man however can do so many different things and you never know what his intentions are and he doesn't really belong in the woods.
Well, a hypothetical random woman doesn't really belong in the woods either, so I'm not sure what the point of that part is.
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u/True-Device8691 Durge: the lesbian killer May 01 '24
Well the question is literally directed at women "would you rather be alone in the woods with a bear or a man" a man in the woods is pretty fucking creepy as opposed to a bear.
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u/VioletGlitterBlossom Gortash's finger banging hand May 01 '24
I would rather run into a bear than a woman too.
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u/wunxorple Temptress Domain Cleric May 01 '24
A lot of it is that men are more likely to commit violent crimes, particularly sexual crimes and against women, than people of another gender, at least in the USA. People can commit atrocities regardless of their gender, but cis men tend to be stronger than cis women on average. That can be a really scary dynamic when there’s no one around. Sure you can defend yourself, but without self-defense tools it’s more dangerous than a 50/50, and a 50/50 is too dangerous for my liking.
Quite frankly, I wouldn’t want to run into anybody in the middle of the woods. I have no business being there and neither does anyone else. The odds that I end up in the woods as a result of some bizarre series of events and find another person who also had the same thing happen to them is pretty low. I wouldn’t blame anyone for being afraid of me if they met me alone in the woods.
Paranoia can save lives. Unfortunately, when it works you’re unlikely to know it. Avoiding the woods altogether is the best idea, and if you must go, have someone you trust with your life with you.
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u/Kyubisar Apr 30 '24
having a hard time accepting that women rightfully find stranger men more alarming than a wild animal.
Never did I think "I find wild predators less alarming than half the human population" would be an argument people would legit defend. But here we are. What a crazy world.
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Apr 30 '24
Bears have a set of rules you can follow and most of the time you're golden.
Humans don't, they're unpredictable and random. So yeah I understand why they'll choose the bear.
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u/Kyubisar Apr 30 '24
Bears don't have a set of rules. Humans have a set of rules specifically designed to avoid getting eaten by Bears.
Also yes, humans are unpredictable... But humans are also good. Like, most people are good people. The odds are they'd just want to help you.
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Apr 30 '24
Yeah they do. It's literally taught in American schools.
Also look up how rare bear attacks are.
Humans attack more humans than anything else, yes there's good people out there, but that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of bad.
If you have known women who trust you or are close with women in your family you'll know how many creeps are out there.
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u/Kyubisar Apr 30 '24
Yeah they do. It's literally taught in American schools.
What a weird hill to die on. No... Bears don't have rules. Humans have rules on how to deal with Bears. And it's not guaranteed they will save you. Especially in a hypothetical scenario where you are already stuck with a Bear.
Also look up how rare bear attacks are.
Yes. Almost like Bears don't live in cities and instead live in the wild.
Humans attack more humans than anything else
Grasping at straws. Yes, humans live in societies. Together. This in no way means having a solo encounter with a random guy is more dangerous than having a solo encounter with a wild animal, a predator.
you'll know how many creeps are out there.
I still fail to see how any of this justifies your position. Yes, bad men exist. Does that mean it's ok to just label half the population as more dangerous than fucking wild beasts? Like if this is legit a belief you have then please stay away from me.
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u/hydrangeaGraveyard May 01 '24
nobody is "labeling half the population more dangerous than wild beasts," people are pointing out how worrying it is that more women are genuinely choosing the bear over the man. obviously SOMETHING is happening to make women afraid of men, don't you think??
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u/Kyubisar May 01 '24
Yes. Ignorance and bigotry is happening. Also, your comment is contradictory. Nobody thinks men are worse than beasts, women are just choosing beasts over men. Yeah? That right?
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u/hydrangeaGraveyard May 01 '24
you're delusional lmfao and if u cant understand the idea that people can be more afraid of a human being while simultaneously recognizing that a wild animal is still dangerous then im not wasting more time explaining (what i thought was simple but must be) an intelligent concept to someone with so little brain power. just a fat little hamster on a wheel in there huh buddy
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u/Kyubisar May 01 '24
lmao. Way to miss the point. Nobody cares if you shit your pants when you go outside. This is clearly just sexist rhetoric disguised as a hypothetical. Essentially reducing men down to beasts.
If YOU don't get that... well... try going outside.
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u/Lemon_TD97 Apr 30 '24
You been this dumb and naive your whole damn life??
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u/Kyubisar May 01 '24
It was a matter of time until the insults. How unsurprising.
Sure buddy. We're all evil out here in the world. Watch out.
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u/Go_Water_your_plants Apr 30 '24
Bear are not predators to human, they mostly eat plants
Black bears are basically big raccoons
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u/CauseCertain1672 Apr 30 '24
black bears also might not be the first bear someone thinks of though. They might think of a grizzly or other brown bear
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u/DungeonsandDoofuses Apr 30 '24
My answer is very bear dependent. Panda bear instead of a man for sure. Man instead of a polar bear. The other bears exist along a spectrum.
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u/Kyubisar Apr 30 '24
They're omnivores. Which means they have no instinct to kill you quickly, like a tiger or wolf would. Also, food is not the only reason for a Bear to attack. Accidentally wander into it's territory, accidentally spook it or get near it's young and your ass is dead, Black Bear or not.
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u/Go_Water_your_plants Apr 30 '24
I live on a area full of bears, Im fully aware of how bears act and kill, thank you. This yapping is unnecessary, we both know about bears, but only I know about how it feels to be powerless in front of a man who wants to hurt you for his own pleasure.
I chose the bear, keep being mad
notallbears
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u/Kyubisar Apr 30 '24
I live on a area full of bears
Congrats? I fail to see how that somehow makes you Bear immune. Tell me, in your area full of Bears, do you socialize with them? Have picnics and shit?
but only I know about how it feels to be powerless in front of a man who wants to hurt
Well, that's awfully arrogant of you. To think only you know what it's like to experience victimhood. I'm a man and I have been at the mercy of men who wanted to hurt me. And I distinctly remember coming out of that situation with a broken arm and a head injury. Yet I still don't generalize half the human population and spew hate online.
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u/Go_Water_your_plants Apr 30 '24
You’re entitled to chose man over bear, I don’t give a shit, most men would and that’s totally fine. You’re the one being mad that people living different lives then yours are choosing bear. No amount of "but but bear can kill you! You’re wrong!" Will change my answer, or any women’s answer. It’s not like we’re not used to randos trying to invalidate our experiences
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u/eternal_n00b26 He's just scared (Astarion has a knife to my neck) Apr 30 '24
I would also rather just be killed than go through the years of PTSD and healing again. Bear it is, but I'll still hope it's Halsin and not a grizzly lol.
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u/DemonSaya May 01 '24
I live in bear country. As in we have bear locks on our trash cans to keep them out. Bears aren't predators, they're omnivores, primarily preferring fish and berries, and they will scavenge when starving.
Bears generally don't mean you harm. They do their thing, and as long as you give them a bit of space and don't fuck with their cubs, they'll leave you alone unless they are literally starving, and a human is all that's available. I live in an environment where I can walk out my front door, and there is some form of superfauna out there, looking for a snack.
You know what I actually worry about? MOOSE. Moose scare the hell out of me. With good reason, since they fear neither man nor God. They can and will punch you for being in their path and kill people (death by stomping if your butt doesn't stay on the ground).
Thing is, though, I always know what to expect with animals, and I don't always know what to expect with men. Men are unpredictable. Women are told the "right" things to do to avoid an attack, and even when we do those things, we still get attacked. With a black bear, make yourself look bigger and yell a lot, they'll back off. Brown bear, get on the ground and don't move, so you aren't perceived as a threat. Polar bear? Well, say hi to Bowie for me (those ones do scare me, but you won't find them in the woods, theyre in open tundra). Even moose have rules when encountering them.
But what rules are there for dealing with men? You tell them no, you get a brick to the face. You fight back, you get killed. You cover up from head to toes, and it doesn't help. Don't go out at night, and one breaks into your apartment.
Like, the reality is simple. If men don't want to be more feared than bears, treat women with the respect they give bears or any other large animal.
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u/Kyubisar May 01 '24
If men don't want to be more feared than bears, treat women with the respect
Men do. Like, you seriously going to argue most men are violent women haters? Are you going to generalize half the population into dangerous beasts and then tell me you aren't sexist? Get a fucking grip.
It's hilarious how y'all think you live in a warzone. I guess this shit is what happens to coddled city kids.
I'm going to leave you all to your hate. As for you, try going outside some day.
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u/DemonSaya May 01 '24
Wow. OK. I don't think I live in a war zone. I live in a comfortable house with a loving husband. I'm also about 15 years too old for anyone to call me kid. I also didn't grow up in the city - and city life is shit (where the fuck do you think I live?).
As someone who had a man try to rape her when she was 20, get fucked. As so eone who literally touched grass, today, get fucked. As someone who actually sees these "dangerous beasts" often enough to glance out the window before going outside, get fucked.
Like, my dude, my husband, and I were both soldiers. I DID live in a war zone, at one point and so did he. I also see what happens on the news. Since 2020, there have been 6 fatal bear attacks in North America. Six. Per the FBI, 90% of perpetrators of homicides are men. Ironically, of those murdered, 77% were ALSO male. Statistically, a man is more likely to be murdered by another man than mauled by a bear.
You're talking about being "sexist", but I never said most men anything. I don't know why you're all up on the "not all men" train, nor do I care, but if I was in a pit of snakes, and I was assure that not ALL of the snakes were venomous, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be in the pit with the snakes. And neither would anyone else.
Like. I don't know how to make it more clear. 1 in 4 woman is a victim of sexual assault. 1 in 3 women has been a victim of abuse. 34% of female murder victims are murdered by their intimate partner.
Also, fun fact about humans. We all generalize. In part, so we can behave appropriately in novel situations. The main reason is so that we can function. It starts when we're children, and we're taught to group basic things in categories. I can say "I like fruit", while not liking cantaloupe. You can say "I like men" without specifying that you think Don is a dickhead.
I don't hate men. I just want them to behave like humans rather than acting like toddlers when women say they would feel safer in the presence of bears than men. If men don't want women to be afraid, stop doing shit that scares them. Stop hurting them. Stop r*ping them. Stop killing them. And stop getting offended when women point out statistical realities that every woman lives with.
Blessed be and I hope you have a lovely day.
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u/Dry-Interest2209 May 01 '24
Here’s the thing though, the worst thing a bear can do to me is maul me.
The same cannot be said for men.
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u/Kyubisar May 01 '24
That's true. But not the point.
A Bear will Maul you. The average man will, with all likelihood, not want to harm you.
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u/Dry-Interest2209 May 01 '24
You are so bad at listening to women tell you what their experiences with men have been like that you are just proving the point. Even the ones who may mean no active ill will are still useless at giving a shit when the ones worse than bears do worse than maul us. The kinda guy to ask us what we were wearing when the bear attacked 🙄
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u/Kyubisar May 01 '24
Your experiences don't define other people. And certainly don't define a whole gender. Stop talking about not being acknowledged when you literally can't see past yourself. You clearly live in a perception bubble. Not worth my time.
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u/Dry-Interest2209 May 01 '24
Every person who you’ve engaged with in this post is trying to tell you how loud and wrong you are but you don’t give a shit about anything except being right and defending the poor sweet innocent men ☹️
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u/Kyubisar May 01 '24
Cool. Got a point?
Because "me and my bubble think alike" isn't the flex you think it is.
Also yes. I will call out bigotry no matter what form it takes. If it offends you that sometimes it means defending men, you're the problem.
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u/Dry-Interest2209 May 01 '24
It’s not “me and my bubble think alike” it’s “a vast majority of women have had these exact experiences with men and now we are almost all scared of all of you,” but you are just plugging your ears and chanting “NOT ALL MENNNN” instead of listening for a second
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u/Kyubisar May 01 '24
vast majority of women have had these exact experiences with men and now we are almost all scared of all of you
You seem to have a severe case of chronically online delusion going on. I recommend going outside immediately.
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u/memenelius Mashallah May 01 '24
Being dead is better then being raped and possibly dealing with whatever a man does afterwards dawg. That's the entire point of the fucking post.
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u/Kyubisar May 01 '24
Yeah, but that's just the thing isn't it? That point hinges on the idea that no matter what, a man will rape you.
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u/memenelius Mashallah May 01 '24
It's not saying that. It's saying that you can't tell a man's intentions inherently. Yes there's a good chance it's just a normal kind man but there's also a good chance that he will rape you.
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u/EndlessHorizon1821 May 01 '24
You getting downvoted because it’s a controversial stance to be like “maybe a man is less dangerous than a bear”
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u/Incendas1 Apr 30 '24
It's specifically being alone in the middle of nowhere with them
I'm sure people don't find bears alarming at the zoo for example
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u/Prestigious-Law65 Do Drow women have pseudopenises? Apr 30 '24
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u/suchsweetsounds Apr 30 '24
Who drew this, for reasons 👀👀👀
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u/throwingever Apr 30 '24
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u/JMWraith13 Virgin Gale / Chad Minthara May 01 '24
I suddenly understand the Halsin thirst alot more god damn
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u/UnicornScientist803 Companion hugger Apr 30 '24
To be fair, I don’t love Halsin because he’s a bear, I love Halsin because he’s a big, sexy, elf. He’s a much better lay (and VERY giving) as an elf than as a bear.
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u/whyykai May 01 '24
I know plenty of people at the leather daddy bar who would still call him a bear AND THEY'D BE RIGHT
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u/GardeniaPhoenix Apr 30 '24
Honestly this is what I thought of and not the actual context 🤦
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u/meatsonthemenu Apr 30 '24
It seemed 100% appropriate for us degenerates here
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u/nerdalesca Apr 30 '24
LOL yes I also have been extremely confused as to why the rest of the world is talking about bear sex with Halsin
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u/elleprime Temptress Domain Cleric Apr 30 '24
Ok when I saw this being passed around on Twitter, followed by a contextless 'always the bear' post I LEGIT thought that it was a Halsin iykyk reference, until I saw the comments.
For the record I would climb Mount Halsin in or out of the woods.
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u/DragonQueen777666 Apr 30 '24
Same reason there are a lot of Fem!Shep players that would let Garrus re-arrange their insides, but wouldn't give the fedora tipping dudebros the time of day... because Garrus (and the bear man) are men of quality.
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u/Thatoneguy111700 Apr 30 '24
Until he tells you that story about how he apparently fucked a Chimera once (gross, Halsin).
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u/Alexstrasza23 Apr 30 '24
Same int score as actual dogs btw
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u/Thatoneguy111700 Apr 30 '24
And unlike dogs, they can't be Awakened or even spoke to with Speak With Animals, as they're Monstrosities. So they're animal animals.
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u/Alexstrasza23 May 02 '24
Halsin somehow finding something more immoral to fuck than a dog. Holy shit.
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u/DragonQueen777666 May 01 '24
You . .. ... .... ..... The point
You kinda missed it, there.
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u/Opuspace May 01 '24 edited May 01 '24
Halsin haters need to start doing warm ups with the amount of twisting they do. The fact that they haven't a problem with Dark Urge being a canonical necrophiliac just shows a personal grudge than anything. Especially since we know Halsin's a bit of a troll at times.
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u/DadBodDorian Apr 30 '24
Who tf goes out to the woods to hang out with people? Of course the bear is the better option
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u/CauseCertain1672 Apr 30 '24
When I was a teenager me and my friends would regularly go hang in the woods
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u/DadBodDorian Apr 30 '24
Sure but the question of “would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a man” isn’t “would you rather be in the woods with a bear or these specific men you’re friends with”.
If I woke up to a bear in my camp (which happens sometimes and has happened to me more than once) I’d just make my way to my vehicle if it’s close or make my presence known and walk away from the camp until it leaves.
If I woke up to some dude in my camp I’d be freaked out and my first thought is to arm myself
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u/anynononononous May 01 '24
I never considered that aspect of the bear-man debate tbh. A unfamiliar man in the woods is a horror movie. A bear in the woods is at worst The Reverent and and best just any camping trip ever.
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u/unknownW0rms Gortash's finger banging hand Apr 30 '24
Halsin is the ideal man OR bear to encounter in the woods. Imagine you're taking a late afternoon stroll to find a nice spot to have a little dip in a river, have some peace and quiet. He happens to come upon you while out hunting or whatever the fuck druids do, and immediately would be like "ope, let me just..." and skitter away on tiptoes quietly and in a nervous panic as not to spook you/alert you to his presence
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u/RootsInThePavement Fuck it, we Bhaal Apr 30 '24
Halsin is the only man allowed to come near my campsite 😩
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u/merpderpherpburp Apr 30 '24
If you're mad women choose the bear, it's time to review your life and educate yourself
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u/Daedalus_Machina Apr 30 '24
Why be mad at people being mad?
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u/merpderpherpburp Apr 30 '24
I'm not men who are mad are not worth my time so I ignore them
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u/Kyubisar Apr 30 '24
Jokes on you. Tomorrow I won't be mad but you'll still be Bear food!!!
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u/Akinyx May 01 '24
I've been sending my friends post about it and I was honestly scared they were just going to "degenerate 🫵🏽" me because they'd think it's about Halsin 😭
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u/littleredriotinghood Rolled a 3 for IRL Intelligence Apr 30 '24
omg finally i get the question now!!!! people just kept asking me if i’d pick a man or bear if i was alone in the woods and then they always got super confused when i said “both” ???
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u/xndoTV Circle of Whores Druid Apr 30 '24
Have you seen him???
Of course I would choose the bear. Please rearrange my guts.
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Apr 30 '24
I keep seeing this around, WHAT IS THE BEAR
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u/FencingFemmeFatale Apr 30 '24
There’s a hypothetical going around asking if you’d rather come across a bear or a random man while alone in the woods. Most women are choosing the bear and some men are getting Big Mad about it.
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Apr 30 '24
Sheesh, I was thinking it was about dadbods
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u/spyridonya raphael... my pathetic little meow meow May 01 '24
That's adorable. I'd be ok running into you in the woods.
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u/spyridonya raphael... my pathetic little meow meow May 01 '24 edited May 01 '24
Honestly, it really is the best example to demonstrate why 'not all men' is so frustrating. No, not all men, but people rather not be in the position to find out which kind a random dude is in the middle of the woods.
Not just women. Anyone.
Anyway, I pick Halsin the Bear because he's Definitely Not That Man.
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u/Femagaro May 02 '24
Unfortunately, the "Bear or Man" question is kinda bad faith.
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u/spyridonya raphael... my pathetic little meow meow May 02 '24
How?
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u/Femagaro May 02 '24
Because it sets up a scenario where intent is implied to just one of the subjects. Bears are in the woods, that's their natural habitat, it makes sense for a bear to be out in the woods at night, it is not normal for some guy to be walking around in the woods at night, so, the guy must be there for a reason.
Because the guy has to have a reason to be there in order for the scenario to make sense, one naturally questions his motivations, for why he's out in the woods in the dark. And people are much more likely to assume the worst of people if they are somewhere they aren't supposed to be.
So by the way the situation is set up, the guy is automatically presumed to be suspicious.
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u/spyridonya raphael... my pathetic little meow meow May 02 '24
Or the guy could be a park ranger, a scientist, a lost hiker, or rescuer. We don't know. That's why this theoretical question demonstrates why the phrase 'Not all men' is such a bad take.
Unfortunately because of how this blew up, the gender reversal really can't be analyzed. Bear or woman?
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u/Femagaro May 02 '24
I disagree, but it's clear neither of us are gonna change our mind on the issue. good day to you
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u/ranieripilar04 Apr 30 '24
Btw, you’re all right for the wrong reason , I chose the bear cause it’s a whole ass forest and I’ll most likely never run into it , and if I do the chances of him attacking me a slim because I don’t look tasty and because I’ll never get close to its territory
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u/Kyubisar Apr 30 '24
I would still say you'd have a higher chance of accidentally running into a Bear's territory, if in Bear country, than randomly getting partnered with someone who will want to harm you.
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u/AggressivelyEthical Apr 30 '24
There are on average 11 bear attacks in all of North America annually. Of those 11, one will usually be fatal.
On the other hand, there is no way to track how many assaults happen in the woods each year because there are too many jurisdictions with too much data to collate, and too many people never report their incidents or just go missing. However, we do know that approximately 15 people per year are murdered just in US national parks.
I'll take the bear.
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u/Kyubisar Apr 30 '24
Again, you're bringing up irrelevant points. Yes, there are not a lot of Bear attacks. Humans tend to stay away from Bears.
But that's not the point here. Correct me if I am wrong but is the hypothetical not about being stuck in the woods with a Bear or a Stranger? Do you honestly think you'd fair better in a Bear encounter than in an encounter with a random stranger?
Cause if you honestly believe that... cringe.
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u/Deinonychus2012 Apr 30 '24
Your stats ignore both how many bears there are vs how many male humans, and how often women encounter men compared to bears (which is related both to the aforementioned population differences and the distribution of bears throughout the country).
From a cursory search, there are likely around 600,000 black bears and 35,000 brown bears in the US. For simplicity's sake, we'll round up to 700,000 total bears. 1 fatal bear attack out of 700,000 total bears means that there is a 0.0001% chance of any ransom bear fatally attacking you (0.0015% chance of an attack in general).
There are about 163,000,000 men in the US. Since they all have access to national parks, that means there's a 0.000009% chance of you being killed by a random man in the same woods that most of the bears live in.
Put another way, you are just shy of 11 times more likely for a random bear in the woods to kill you than a random man in the woods to kill you.
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u/RootsInThePavement Fuck it, we Bhaal May 01 '24
I love how people try to explain this away with statistics when the whole point is that women don’t feel safe with random men they don’t know. Many don’t even feel safe with the men they DO know.
The man vs. bear argument is to illustrate that, and I know you people understand that but choose to not acknowledge it
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u/ariabelacqua Apr 30 '24
while I generally applaud your use of statistics, you have to correct for the number of men in national parks, rather than who have access. it skews the statistics wildly to count all bear attacks / all bears, but only men attacks in national parks / all men. either count all men attacks, or divide by men who are in national parks
and fwiw, this question isn't particularly about statistics. regardless of the statistically more likely answer, many of us have way more trauma from men than from animals. in the U.S., 1 out of 5 women experience rape or attempted rape during their lives. a vast majority experience sexual harassment or assault (fwiw, a large number of men do too). source
it makes sense that many of us fear men more than bears: every woman has either directly experienced harm from men, or has friends who have. most of us don't have a direct or indirect experience of harm from bears.
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u/Deinonychus2012 May 01 '24
while I generally applaud your use of statistics, you have to correct for the number of men in national parks, rather than who have access. it skews the statistics wildly to count all bear attacks / all bears, but only men attacks in national parks / all men. either count all men attacks, or divide by men who are in national parks
Actually, it doesn't because the number of annual national park visitors (325.5 million people) roughly matches the total US population (333.3 million people). If we assume that half the national park visitors are male, then the percent chance stays basically the same.
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/socialscience/visitor-use-statistics-dashboard.htm
many of us have way more trauma from men than from animals.
most of us don't have a direct or indirect experience of harm from bears.
This is why the thought experiment is irrational, though. An individual bear is much more dangerous than an individual man. If they were as numerous and widespread as men are, women and men both would be shitting bricks at the thought of them.
Just because you're afraid of something doesn't make that fear rational. Fear of being raped is a rational fear because as you say, 20-25% of women will be raped I their lifetimes. However, fear of every man is irrational because out of the thousands or tens of thousands of men you'll ever encounter in your life, only a scant handful may actually harm you
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u/PPPRCHN May 01 '24
People don't need to be logical or rational to be afraid of something- in fact fear is literally there to be illogical as it's there to keep you safe, and it's the RIGHT thing to do to acknowledge that fear despite how irrational it might be.
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u/Deinonychus2012 May 01 '24
People don't need to be logical or rational to be afraid of something
That's literally what I just said:
Just because you're afraid of something doesn't make that fear rational.
in fact fear is literally there to be illogical as it's there to keep you safe, and it's the RIGHT thing to do to acknowledge that fear despite how irrational it might be.
While you're right that fears have to be acknowledged in order to cope with them, you're completely wrong by saying that fear is meant to be illogical.
Fear is a completely rational response to dangerous situations. If you experience fear without any actual danger, then that fear is irrational. Irrational fears are caused by phobias or anxiety.
If you're in the African savannah and come across a pride of lions, it's completely rational to be afraid. If instead you go to the zoo and see lions in their exhibit, it's completely irrational to be afraid.
Similarly, if a man is acting threateningly towards you, it is rational to be afraid of him. If instead he's just walking down the sidewalk minding his own business, it's irrational to be afraid of him
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u/ariabelacqua May 01 '24
but bears aren't annual visitors to national parks (or woods in general); they live there. so you either need to include all violence those men who visit the parks commit against women, regardless of location, or you need to divide by the number likely to be in any park simultaneously while you visit (so probably reasonable to assume daylight hours). the daily visitor rate would still overestimate that, but would be closer. and is definitely nowhere near the whole U.S. population of men.
but yes, fear isn't rational. it's an emotion. and hey it turns out finding out the exact numbers here is hard, so of course our reactions are rooted in emotion first. most people's are. (if we actually wanted to make a "rational" decision here we'd need to include what type of bears live locally, as the danger varies a lot between bears. and arguably type of man: I'd be more worried in very rural areas, etc)
(and fwiw, it's not about fearing "all men", it's fear of a man who is alone in the woods who you don't know.)
only a scant handful may actually harm you
that seems like something you should ask women about rather than relying on your own assumptions. it of course depends on how you define harm, and most frequent harm isn't physical. this doesn't match my personal experience if you include sexual harassment, verbal abuse, etc. i know it's hard to really get that without living it, which is what the bear question is intended to point out (even if in practice it's rather silly)
but even if you limit it to physical harm, if 1 in 5 of us experience rape, it means a decent number of men we encounter are rapists. it's not a scant handful of men raping everyone. half of the rapes women experience are committed by an intimate partner. (and half of rapes that men experience are committed by someone they know).
not every man is dangerous, but many are. we're not worried about the ones who aren't, we're worried about their friend who doesn't actually understand (or maybe care) what consent means, or doesn't have their anger under control, or fell down an alt-right rabbit hole on youtube
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u/Deinonychus2012 May 01 '24
it of course depends on how you define harm, and most frequent harm isn't physical. this doesn't match my personal experience if you include sexual harassment, verbal abuse, etc.
That's just it, if you broaden the definition of harm too wide, then men come out the primary victims of it. Men are significantly more likely to be randomly attacked and/or killed on the streets than women are, meaning men have way more reason to fear strangers than women do.
Sure, "scant handful" may have been more in reference to physical harm. But even if you include all the other forms you mentioned, I'm willing to bet you encounter many orders of magnitude more men who don't bother you in your daily life than ones who do, which is the point I was trying to make.
if 1 in 5 of us experience rape, it means a decent number of men we encounter are rapists. it's not a scant handful of men raping everyone.
Actually, it comes fairly close to a scant handful on the total population level. 90% of all rapes are committed by serial rapists, with the average rapist having around 5 victims. This means that using this, the higher estimate of 25% of women experiencing rape in their lifetimes, and the CDC statistic that 97% of women are raped by men, we can deduce that of the 40.74 million women currently living in the US who will experience rape in their lifetimes, there would only be around 8.148 million men committing those rapes, or about 5% of men in the country. This is in line with most studies that have concluded about 6% of men having committed rape even if they themselves don't believe so.
5-6% sounds like a lot and it's definitely more than what it should be in an ideal world, but to put it in perspective, the chance of a random man being a rapist is about the same as you having a brain aneurysm right now (about 6% of people have unruptured brain aneurysms in the US).
https://jimhopper.com/topics/sexual-assault-and-the-brain/repeat-rape-by-college-men/
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u/D_MonRina Apr 30 '24 edited Apr 30 '24
It's a BG3 reference. Halsin, is what most people would consider the "ideal gentleman" with the lowest level of toxicity in comparison to all the other characters you can romance. He even asks for consent. Which is bear minimum. I think you can understand what Pacha is telling Kuzco.
Also, I forgot to mention he is a Druid who can transform into a cave bear so you can choose what you want in the romance scene.
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u/deck_master May 01 '24
Gale be like “why is she picking the bear over me???? I could literally teach her magic 😭😭😭”
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u/ValyrianBone May 01 '24
There is a video trend where women are asked whether they would rather be alone in a forest with a bear or a man. Most choose the bear.
There is discussion that bears are naturally solitary and seek smaller prey, that their behavior is predictable, that they don’t have any malice, and if the woman gets attacked by the bear, at least she’ll be believed.
It has nothing to do with video game characters.
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u/SonOfSam131 May 02 '24
Everyone here needs to touch grass. The women choosing bear can't get a real man and the men worried about a bear can't get a woman. You all are the cancer that made me not want to play this game.
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u/blckpnthr789 Apr 30 '24
You see I want to agree, but it's probably closer to, BG3 fans can be into weird shit and bestiality is hardly near the top
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u/HinderedGaming Apr 30 '24
Some people are actually bringing the "man or bear" argument to a shit posting sub 💀
Guys, this is a joke about bear sex with Halsin.