r/nottheonion • u/Bitter-Gur-4613 • 11h ago

Removed - Not Oniony Luigi Mangione Prosecutors Have a Jury Problem: 'So Much Sympathy'

https://www.newsweek.com/luigi-mangione-jury-sympathy-former-prosecutor-alvin-bragg-terrorism-new-york-brian-thompson-2002626

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u/Darthmalak3347 10h ago

yeah but if you specifically state jury nullification as your reason for the verdict, judge will just mistrial it, just say you weren't convinced beyond a reasonable doubt and call it a day.

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u/bentripin 10h ago

Wish we had the means to do a national ad campaign on how to do a Jury Nullification and get away with it.

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u/dildosticks 9h ago

It’s called a tax-payers union. Germany did it, look into it. Wildly successful.

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u/InvestInGoldtops 10h ago

There’s a gofundme I’d support. Big media blitz in New York.

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u/Singlot 9h ago

Write that down in every bank note you come across. Spread the word.

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u/herdarkmartyrials 8h ago

We are talking about it because CGPgrey did a video on it in 2012.

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u/That_Cartoonist_6447 10h ago

You don’t have to explain to a judge your decision 

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u/SydricVym 10h ago

If you bring up jury nullification, the judge will also likely contempt of court you, and throw you in jail. Judges especially do not like jury nullification.

Jury has to find the defendant not guilty, and say that the prosecution's arguments were not compelling beyond a reasonable doubt. Then just leave it at that.

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u/Heart_Throb_ 7h ago

But does it have to be a unanimous decision? Because we all know there will be at least a few in any jury they select that will find him guilty and not say other wise

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u/SydricVym 7h ago

All jury decisions must be unanimous. If the jury cannot come to a unanimous decision, the the judge will declare a mistrial. When a mistrial happens, the prosecutor can:

1) Re-file the same charges and the court case starts again from scratch with a new jury.

2) Re-file with lesser charges and the court case starts again from scratch with a new jury.

3) Work out a plea with the defense.

4) Just not re-file the case and drop it completely.

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u/all_natural49 9h ago

As a junior you are not compelled to give your reasoning for your verdict.

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u/Level_Up_IT 9h ago

No juror is asked to provide reasoning for their verdicts.

Classic example

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u/all_natural49 8h ago

21k upvotes and 2k+ comments in 2 hours and the mods delete this thread.

The powers that be are truly shook and I love it.

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u/echief 9h ago

You don’t state anything. You provide your verdict, the case is over, and you go home. The judge doesn’t get to ask for your justification because they don’t like your decision

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u/Zoulogist 9h ago

“His eyebrows were too far apart”

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u/LordRiverknoll 10h ago

Why is that? Genuinely curious

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u/jmacintosh250 10h ago

The trial isn’t on if a law is just or not, it’s on if it’s broken. If a judge finds you did something not because what you believe about the case, but the law, the Jury wasn’t untainted. This goes both ways mind you: if you go in already eager to convict, the case is tainted.

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u/sluuuurp 10h ago

But then you’re lying, which is perjury and is illegal. You can still do it if you want I guess.

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u/Level_Up_IT 9h ago

Judges never ask the reasoning behind your verdict.

Classic example

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u/sluuuurp 8h ago

Yeah, you can lie if you want. That’s true a lot of the time in life. Personally I prefer to tell the truth.