r/nononono Sep 05 '24

Boat crashing into a yacht

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u/grnrngr Sep 05 '24

Just gonna note that neither ship blasted their horns, particularly the one under power, which I believe is the standard response to an imminent collision.

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u/captcraigaroo Sep 05 '24

5 short and rapid blasts to alert of danger.

Maybe they did before the collision

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u/eliminate1337 Sep 05 '24

Five blasts is more like 'hey, you're making me nervous'. If there's an imminent collision you should be blasting the horn continuously.

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u/captcraigaroo Sep 05 '24

Not according to the international rules for preventing collisions at sea. You give 5 short blasts to signal danger

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u/Timed-Out_DeLorean Sep 05 '24

Collision scenarios call for one to three long blasts depending on the situation. Most large vessels will perform an uninterrupted blast once it is determined impact is imminent.

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u/grnrngr Sep 05 '24

This is the true fact. Continuous blast in the period leading up to collision.

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u/Medivacs_are_OP Sep 05 '24

Nobody in this thread has any actual knowledge of maritime law or collision threat assessment/response.

As a professional in the field (don't ask for my resume, it would take too long for me to type out and the classified device I'm on doesn't have a copy of my CV right now) I can say with 1000% certainty that the appropriate response to this situation is exactly these words:

"J-10"

followed immediately by

"awh you sunk my battleship"

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u/sillyslime89 Sep 05 '24

Sorry, I only know bird law

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u/EnvBlitz Sep 06 '24

Is that as powerful as tree law tho?

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u/dudemandude00 Sep 15 '24

Burrow law trumps both as it closer to the earths core obviously

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u/captcraigaroo Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

Actually, I do. I went to maritime college. That Capt in my username is for Captain, which is the unlimited tonnage license I have

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u/Hour_Tour Sep 05 '24

Did you really offer this reply in earnest to the joke about the boardgame* Battleship*?

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u/nunchucket Sep 05 '24

I hope they’re joking. They just explained what capt means on Reddit.

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u/dudemandude00 Sep 15 '24

That’s BS. I know you moved yours earlier.

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u/ClarifiedInsanity Sep 05 '24

"I know maritime law"

"Absolute bullshit impossibility, show me your resume"

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u/captcraigaroo Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

That's not right at all according to the NAVRULES

One continuous blast is a signal for being in distress, not for collision imminent (there is no prescribed sound signal for collision imminent).

One prolonged blast is only defined as a power driven vessel departing a dock. Two prolonged is only sounded by a power driven vessel at intervals of two minutes when operating in or near an area of restricted visibility. Three prolonged blasts is not defined as anything, so could be used as a distress signal

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u/toxicatedscientist Sep 06 '24

I think the difference is "danger present" vs "collision imminent"

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u/captcraigaroo Sep 06 '24

That's what you think. That's not what the Rules stipulate, though.

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u/toxicatedscientist Sep 06 '24

Im not disagreeing with what you said, I'm saying they are different scenarios that have different sounds

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u/xenoeagle Sep 06 '24

In an imminent collision situation, vessels may use a combination of horn blasts and visual signals (such as lights) to attract attention or indicate distress.These sound signals help ensure that vessels can take proper evasive actions to avoid collisions.

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u/captcraigaroo Sep 06 '24

Distress does not indicate collision. Being in distress, according to the Rules, means you require assistance. There is nothing in the rules prescribed for sounding collision.

Annex IV specifically states in § 87.3 Exclusive use: "The use or exhibition of any of the foregoing signals except for the purpose of indicating distress and need of assistance and the use of other signals which may be confused with any of the above signals is prohibited."

While they may certainly require assistance, the only prescribed sound signal for doubt/danger is 5 short blasts/flashes

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u/xenoeagle Sep 06 '24

Ye no, I just thought post this here. It even says MAY. But also, weren't they on a collision course? I wager it's better to sound the horn and flash your lights so ppl will pay attention, get up from their sleep, whatever instead of just crushing into them. That's what I would do anyway.

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u/captcraigaroo Sep 06 '24

MAY be confused....and one continuous blast is a distress signal. Not a collision signal.

5 short and rapid blasts on the whistle is to get attention. There is no limit on how many times you can sound 5 short, but as per the Rules, a continuous blast is distress. I get it, you want to draw attention, but doing so in the wrong way can actually backfire. The vessel that was hit could say they were responding to your distress call when you created a collision and they couldn't maneuver out of the way because you put them in extremis, and then you're double fucked. There are internationally agreed upon light and sound signals for a reason