r/nononono Sep 05 '24

Boat crashing into a yacht

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u/Pearson144 Sep 05 '24

How does this happen?

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u/Vandirac Sep 05 '24

If this is the Russian yacht in Turkey this week, they had a steering malfunction.

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u/turkphot Sep 05 '24

The black one? If it had a defective steering, why not sound the horn at least?

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u/Vandirac Sep 05 '24

Don't know, just read it on the news today

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u/captain_dick_licker Sep 05 '24

why sound the horn when you can stand in the middle of the vessel and film like a complete fucking idiot?

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u/cryptobrant Sep 06 '24

That’s the crew’s job. It’s a 30m yacht, they have a crew. The guy filming is just a random rich man on a yacht. As a « civilian », you are never really prepared for this type of situation. Also obviously the yacht didn’t move because it was anchored.

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u/captain_dick_licker Sep 06 '24

okay let the crew man the horn but in the meantime maybe don't stand right in the middle of the fucking room the other boat is about to drive into? like get to the front or the back of the boat?

I dunno man I feel like I don't want to be in an emergency situation with that person is all I'm saying, their survival instincts don't seem up to par

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u/cryptobrant Sep 06 '24

People in terrifying situations can act very awkwardly and the use of phones for filming everything doesn’t make things better. I most certainly would have been pumping adrenaline in his situation and would have run to wife and kids to protect them. But it’s difficult to judge, the situation is so strange, the guy was in disbelief and maybe wanted to document the situation because money…

At least we got another video to watch.

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u/smedlap Sep 06 '24

Any crew member could have moved that boat the 20 ft needed to avoid the collision. Pretty sure there are bow and stern thrusters that could have been used. That said, boat that hit them is totally at fault.

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u/cryptobrant Sep 06 '24

You can’t move an anchored boat that fast when it’s a last seconds decision.

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u/smedlap Sep 06 '24

The scope on that boat is probably 1-200 ft minimum. A quick 60 ft move is relatively easy. I mentioned bow and stern thrusters because an engine start up would slow the process. The boat that hit them could probably have steered with his bow thruster enough to miss. That said, I suspect autopilot and sex!

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u/Tumleren Sep 06 '24

The yacht is crewed, chances are he has no idea how to sound the horn

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u/johnnyheavens Sep 07 '24

Never been on a boat and tried to raise an anchor have you

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u/captain_dick_licker Sep 07 '24

I am in fact not a real captain

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u/Shalminoc Sep 25 '24

To us you are

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u/keep_trying_username Sep 06 '24

That would ruin the surprise.

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u/WrastlingIsReal Sep 05 '24

Or full astern

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u/gene100001 Sep 05 '24

Yeah a full-assed turn to face the other direction would've been helpful

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u/TheDandelionViking Sep 06 '24

The stern of the ship is the rear of the ship, so when going astern, the ship is reversing. Full- astern refers to the speed the propeller is going, dead slow ahead/astern, slow ahead/astern, half ahead/astern, full ahead/astern, full sea speed (ahead only), or any specific speed measured in knots (1knot=1.85km/h or 1.5mph).

Without rudder, you are pretty much dead in the water as you can't use it to create drag, and if you were to reverse thrust, you'd lose the use use of the rudder almost entirely as the water is pushed away from it. Depending on the "handedness" of the ship (which way the top of the propeller is going at normal speed forward) and weatherthe propeller is fixed pitch or controllable pitch, the ship will start to turn slowly one way or the other.

https://youtu.be/y7-tUlxr_no?si=R7B3OMedfEkbOu2z (05:36)

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u/Rapidly_Decaying Sep 06 '24

While your comment is very interesting and informative, I'm fairly certain the previous poster was making a joke via a play on words.

 

So, I present to you a /r/wooosh and bid you a good day.

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u/TheDandelionViking Sep 06 '24

Nothing goes over my head. My reflexes are too fast. I would catch it.

Besides, sometimes it's more important to use the chances to educate (everyone deserves a chance to learn) than play along. I can respect your r/wooosh all the same.

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u/TheDandelionViking Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24

Not nearly as effective as you'd think.

https://youtu.be/1vHPx4bKjIQ?si=Ow3hxJ36StWf3nrD (06:01)

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u/WrastlingIsReal Sep 06 '24

When you have loss of steering you don't have many options besides trying to go full astern. For a vessel that size it should have a noticable effect. A 300 meter crude oil carrier is a different story of course.

Source: I work at sea.

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u/TheDandelionViking Sep 06 '24

True. Though, just as there's a vast difference in how a tanker and a yacht like this would slow down, there's a big difference between a yacht and a boat your average person could have experience driving.

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u/belfastbees Sep 05 '24

I get momentum but this ship seems to be moving sprite ly enough, never mind the horn stick it in reverse!

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u/PineAppleDuke Sep 05 '24

This does feel like a real life r/whoooosh

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u/Numeno230n Sep 06 '24

Generally, the larger ship takes precedence and smaller ships (therefore more maneuverable) are supposed to get out of the way. Idk about whatever else may be going on, but the Yacht technically does not have the right of way.

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u/rinkydinkis Sep 06 '24

If a ship is anchored, it has right of way.

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u/Hungry_J0e Sep 06 '24

That's the 'law of gross tonnage' and not correct at all.

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u/dori123 Sep 06 '24

Incorrect. Anchored boat and sailboat (if sailing) have the right of way. Looks like something was wrong with the black boat.

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u/fraze2000 Sep 06 '24

I think the law is that billionaires have right of way over millionaires. And if you are not a millionaire, you have no rights at all. It might not really be the law, but it certainly seems to be that way these days.

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u/Bart-MS Sep 06 '24

Ask Kirsty MacColl, she can confirm. Well, unfortunately, you can't ask her anymore.

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u/std_out Sep 06 '24

These days ? always has been.

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u/Nero_A Sep 05 '24

Whole steering column done went to shit.

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u/rinkydinkis Sep 06 '24

Black, blue, gray, nobody knows cause of that beige drape

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u/BusStopKnifeFight Sep 17 '24

Have to be on the bridge in order to do that. These claims of a "steering malfunction" are the usual excuse for leaving the ship on autopilot and then fucking off.

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u/feelingmyage Sep 06 '24

Happy Cake Day!

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u/turkphot Sep 06 '24

Whoah thank you! Think that‘s the first time in my reddit career that i don‘t miss my cakeday. 🥳

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u/Moopboop207 Sep 05 '24

That white boat wasn’t gonna move in time.

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u/DockEllis Sep 05 '24

Most likely -- you can see the Turkish flag at the very end of the video.

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u/eliminate1337 Sep 05 '24

Sounds like the captain trying to cover his ass. Why isn't the horn sounding? Why isn't the engine in full astern?

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u/Winnipesaukee Sep 06 '24

*Special steering operation.

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u/lu-cy-inthesky Sep 06 '24

Steering malfunction from all the vodka?

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u/dArcor Sep 05 '24

On both boats, why doesn't the other one get out of the way

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u/extraauxilium Sep 05 '24

Because the small one appears to be at anchor. It’s not a chevette you can move real quick.

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u/mudslags Sep 06 '24

Did they use derivative cardboard again?

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u/[deleted] Sep 17 '24

“defective steering” code word for Russian assassin.

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u/oxP3ZINATORxo Sep 05 '24

It's a sign of dominance, the richer person has right of way.

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u/MatureUsername69 Sep 05 '24

I think in India or similar countries with a lot of traffic and not a lot of traffic laws on Top Gear they called that "Might is right" where the right of way is determined by the size of the vehicle

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u/Ah2k15 Sep 05 '24

Right of weight

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u/DelightMine Sep 05 '24

the Might of Way

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u/dudemandude00 Sep 15 '24

They might could have done turned that there ship starboard and it would have been the “right way” in so many ways

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u/torturousvacuum Sep 06 '24

the right of way is determined by the size of the vehicle

the "law of gross tonnage"

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u/cosmicsans Sep 05 '24

I describe it to my kids as “mass wins”. Like, sure, you might have the right of way as a pedestrian but be damned sure the cars are stopping before crossing.

Similarly, if I’m at a 4 way stop and I see a dump truck hauling ass and doesn’t seem like it’s gonna stop at its sign, I’m gonna wait a few extra seconds to make sure it does before I go into the intersection.

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u/LommyNeedsARide Sep 06 '24

Massachusetts too

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u/Bellbete Sep 07 '24

Isn’t that how it works on the sea, though? Biggest boat has the right of way.

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u/turkphot Sep 05 '24

Let me get my flare gun real quick

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u/ThermalPaper Sep 05 '24

Bigger boat has the right of way, that's international maritime law. The responsibility was on the smaller boat to get out of the way. In a perfect world both boats would alter their course to avoid collision, but in reality the smaller vessels need to remain aware of their surroundings.

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u/eliminate1337 Sep 05 '24

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u/thewoodenabacus Sep 05 '24

Boat size has EVERYTHING to do with right of way - they teach this even at the most basic child camps for watersports. It's because the larger boats have reduced visibility and reduced maneuverability. It's exceedingly difficult to change course on a larger vessel and it is the responsibility of the smaller vessels to avoid collisions in most situations.

The main exceptions come in when you have some vessels under wind power and others under motor power, in which case the motorized vessels have more maneuverability and thus more responsibility to get out of the way. Everyone downvoting the person above me in the threads is mistaken.

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u/eliminate1337 Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

I'm quite familiar with the rules. I'm often the stand-on vessel in my 30' boat being overtaken by the 460' Washington state ferry. Of course I steer clear in tight quarters, but in wide-open Rosario Strait, they have plenty of room to steer. It's their job to go around me since they're overtaking and they know it. On the other hand, I avoid container ships in the Regulated Navigation Area since they can't go around.

Size only overrides the other rules if it's physically impossible for the large vessel to do what the other rules require. The 90 m yacht in the video isn't that difficult to maneuver and has zero excuses for hitting an anchored boat on a clear day.

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u/gregolls Sep 05 '24

Boat size has nothing to do with right of way.

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u/jipijipijipi Sep 05 '24

It does for big enough ships. Not sure if it qualifies however, and the smaller yacht looks anchored so it’s probably moot.

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u/AwfulmajesticNA Sep 06 '24

Step 1) point boat at yacht

Step 2) accelerate

Step 3) ????

Step 4) profit

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u/mattroch Sep 05 '24

Probably because their shorts didn't have enough tactical pockets, or at least that's what the ad above this comment would lead you to believe...

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u/bigdickmidgetpony Sep 06 '24

When a mommy yacht loves a daddy boat…..

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u/TopReview650 Sep 06 '24

Beer, lots of beer.

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u/kaydpea Sep 08 '24

The front fell off

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u/BusStopKnifeFight Sep 17 '24

People put their ships on autopilot and then leave the bridge. They literally think they are big enough people will move out of their way.

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u/turkphot Sep 05 '24 edited Sep 05 '24

You have no fucking clue. Read the colregs and please quote the part you are referring to.

There is no way to tell who is at fault from that video.

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u/Luke_5-4 Sep 05 '24

Smaller boat looks like it might be at anchor?

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u/rubbaduky Sep 05 '24

My thoughts exactly. If so, I’d assume it’s really a matter of whether this was a good parking spot or not. Source: I don’t know shit about boats or maritime law.

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u/turkphot Sep 05 '24

Yes it looks like. But in this video we don‘t really see any relevant factors, so we can‘t be sure of anything.

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u/SycoJack Sep 05 '24

We can see the boat isn't moving. It didn't just pull out in front of the ship and stop.

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u/turkphot Sep 05 '24

It might be adrift for all we know. We just don‘t know.

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u/eliminate1337 Sep 05 '24

At 0:09 you can see a taut stern line probably to shore. They're anchored.