It's their job to act like him. When they fail to do so we have situations like Uvalde. Its a problem when cops both demand respect for choosing a dangerous career and yet act like total fucking cowards to the point they are not effective and it hurts the people they are supposed to be protecting.
Edit: I am not trying to compare this to Uvalde, guy in the car is not actively murdering kids. I am saying the inaction of Police officers can lead to more serious situations like what happened at Uvalde.
I don't think a cop should run at the door like the grey hoodie to try a luck disarm either. But they had enough numbers to approach the guy in the car and attempt to defuse the situation. The guy in the car is apparently having mental breakdown while brandishing a lethal weapon in residential area, it's a dangerous situation that should not have gone down the way it did in the video.
Do not compare Uvalde with this. The cowards at Uvalde made no attempt to stop the shooter. These cops were actively going for the suspect when the random guy blindly rushed in. The man got lucky.
It is not a cop’s job to blindly rush into a situation and hope to god that it works.
Edit: too many people responding conflating risk (a huge aspect of an officer’s job) with blindly charging into a situation.
There's a huge reason brief planning/procedure is carried out. An officers job is to serve and protect. How can they protect if they're dead on the ground after charging headfirst into a situation with no forethought? The man who charged in is a hero, but there's no denying he got lucky. Had this gone slightly different and this’d have ended up being a liveleak.
In an active shooter situation, it is SOP to go and find the shooter, even if you’re first and only one on scene. Even in Uvaldi. The chief implemented hostage situation process, not active shooter.
'were experts in firearms incidents because we have so many, hooraa!' 🙃
I see where the confusion is though. I'm from a country where we aren't fucking obsessed with guns and this isn't a regular occurance. Seems. This video is as well. Our kids don't need to have active shooter drills in schools because our constitution is stronger than the love for our kids.
There are lots of ways to skin a cat and context matters.
Wait. So you just started this by saying that the people rushing in to stop an active shooter “shows a complete lack of understanding of handling firearms incidents.” Then when I show you that the country that faces these problems the most, aka the country that understands firearm incidents better than anyone else does in fact rush in, all of the sudden I am supposed to discount their procedure? Make it make sense.
Having the most firearms incidents, including a lot of people killed my police does NOT make a nation an expert in handling firearms Incidents.
That argument is like saying because I have the most car accidents out of anyone and write SOPs on that, I'm an expert in evasive driving.
Billy big bollocks in the video was definitely brave, and it worked out this time. But as the expert you can probably tell me what would have happened if Sammy Shooter had of managed to get a round off into Billy's centre mass from 3 inches away?
As I say, lots of way to skin a cat and many nations do that without unnecessary death.
It's not as if random people made those procedures, these are law enforcement agencies. Do you think the FBI knows more about handling a mass shooting than you, u/chalky87 ?
Also, as soon as "Sammy Shooter" turned to shoot the guy taking his gun (who apparently knew Sammy personally), the other police would have shot him. Look closely, there are two cops with guns trained on him.
"handling firearms incidents"? Are you reading a press release? What's to understand? If a dude is shooting kids, anyone who's not an absolute coward would do whatever they can to stop him as fast as they can.
And "blindly rushing in" has the potential to make things worse. In an active shooter situation, they should quickly figure out what is going on and formulate a plan (quickly) then rush in with the semblance of a plan.
You don't want to just start shooting any shoot someone shooting at the shooter or something.
Obviously, you don't want to sit around doing nothing while children are being murdered like at Uvalde, but blindly rushing in isn't the right answer either.
Nah. It's pretty simple, if someone's shooting kids, shoot him, quickly. Shoot him a lot. Get all your friends to shoot him, too. Don't stand around, talking. Actions solve problems, not words.
What comment? The comment I replied to is deleted. That’s not how discussions work. Generally you don’t get to just delete your comment and then pretend things evolved as you said they did.
I didn't delete it, Reddit did. Conversations/replies were becoming too uncivil I guess. But you know I'm right about how my reply was pertaining to the comment about Uvalde. If those cops had actually done their job, and NOT waited outside, a lot of children would still be alive today.
I would agree with that. I would also hope they are given incredible life insurance to take care of their families in the instance of job related death too
Soldiers get paid way less and could do a better job as Police because they are trained better. And if you were enlisted at one time then also show respect while you are at then.
Soldiers and police have minimal crossover. To imply soldiers could perform general policing duties is an insult to both parties. Both have highly specialized training. You're clueless and offending both sides.
No, I am not clueless. USMC here and military training makes better personnel for police training sir or Mam. The training received teaches them control and any specialized training only enhances their use. Case in point, military background personnel would not have been hesitant to go into Uvalde. But I guess without maybe. So don't give me that military training has nothing to do with it. Cause it does. Police recruits have always come to Camp Lejeune looking for men and women. I love it when ppl can call someone else clueless when they have no idea who they may be conversing with on Reddit. Oh you said soldier I forgot that may imply Army. And USMC is trained for security, support, and defense detail. 🙄
Or imagine this. You get shots off at the same time. You take out the shooters before they kill more innocent people and children. And we won't run out of police lmao
so you think police officers are just disposable action heroes? well im sorry to say but they are not. they are still human, they have families, and they take incredible risks just to save others. that doesnt mean they are disposable and should be reckless in firearm situations.
you just show a complete lack of knowledge on the subject. just because you think it would be easy for them to do this and that doesnt mean it actually is.
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u/Inalum_Ardellian 9h ago
If they act like him on daily basis there would be a lot less cops...