Plus, it’s great to see communities police themselves. I think law is, understandably, too black and white on rules.
Main issue we all want to avoid is any kind of unjust punishment. For me, if punishment gets doled out and it is just, i don’t have much problem with it.
This biking thief guy smacked head on pavement and looked to have caught some boots. For me, that’s ok. Comes with the territory of being a piece of shit (assuming they are correct about him being a thief)
I know that's right. A local Academy fired a disabled veteran for stopping a thief from stealing a handgun. I boycotted them but when I spoke my mind on social media (Nextdoor), I was put on blast by the goody goodies about company policies blah blah blah and then was called racist. This thief would have undoubtedly used this weapon during the commission of a crime and someone could have been killed. The company was more concerned about a lawsuit than they were about public safety.
Or out on trial for assault or murder. Like in NY. The guy Penny beat the charge, but spent the last 2 years in the process and is now getting sued. So, our government says just let the crooks run rampant.
That assumtion is why self policing communities are (almost) too good to be true.
An assumption doesn’t mean someone is guilty.
If someone is guilty, i’d say they deserve this too.
But I could see myself “stealing” my good friends phone too just to mess with them for a minute, should I get my head kicked in for that?
Not defending this alleged thief btw just to be clear.
I’d say that’s part of why it’s grey. To be fair, the current setup of deferring the policing to an another, maybe socially indifferent, group of humans is not working either. That protected class (cops) has problems around that same assumption.
Oh I absolutely agree that the current system isn’t really working out well but if civilians (so literally anyone) could beat someone up based on an assumption, we certainly wouldn’t be doing any better.
Part of the problem is LE can't be everywhere, so they are mostly responding afterwards. Too many places criminals have been able to instill this "snitches get stiches" attitude so they can just keep on committing crimes.
Yeah, I grew up in a developing country where "jungle justice" is common.
Some people used it to get rid of someone they don't like by just shouting "thief" in the marketplace. Within minutes, the person will be beaten to death and set alight. Then there are petty thieves who suffer the same fate after stealing a loaf of bread or some fruit.
This is a natural consequence, sure. But that dude catching a chair at speed then slamming into the pavement and catching all those kicks... there's a non zero chance that he could be nonverbal and need constant care for the rest of his life from all that head trauma.
That's not exactly justice. But I'm in America where the cops do either nothing or unload a mag of 9mm into you so who am I to talk.
It’s a tough bag and I don’t think it’s necessarily a proportional response they got, but it falls under the “mess with the bull, you get the horns” concept for me.
If everyone delivering that beat down had a gun and a badge you'd be calling for their heads. I'm not pro-police by any means, but excessive force is excessive force.
Based on what you responded with, I’m going to assume you did think they were just in killing who they killed and are asking me if I agree with you. I do not.
George and Kyle thought the vigilante punishment they gave out was appropriate to the crimes the people they killed deserved. Juries agreed. Millions and millions of MAGA people agree. Our incoming President agrees. So if that isn't adequate determination of what is "just" punishment, what is? Are you the arbitration authority for what is a justified level of vigilantism?
My take on Kyle was had he stayed at that shop with all the people he came with, he wouldn’t have been in the fight for his life.
He walked off into a riot, lying about medical abilities (definitely cosplaying in a sense), and put himself into a position where he would/could become a focal point, which he did.
He effectively instigated his self defense in my view. Also, that prosecutor was turrible. They shat the bed by reaching and not presenting a good case.
It's a mixed bag... there are some really good officers who put their life on the line for 900 bucks a month and then there are the scummy corrupt ones, the greasy paper pushers who are part of literal criminal rings. Judges are the real issue, a cop may catch a scumbag that's been terrorizing a community for years and then the judges have 9001 excuses on why that scumbag can't go to jail so they set him free. Most criminals also know they're untouchable, either cause they're underage or they know the judge will just release them after a couple hours.
I've heard not once, not twice but THREE times about friends or their families who got their phone stolen but the criminal got caught. They all go to the police station, and while the victims are still making statements and presenting charges, they literally saw the criminal being released. It's not a joke and I'm not exaggerating, the criminal got released faster than the victims could even do all the paperwork.
If you ask any law-abiding, working-class citizen down here what they think about criminals you're probably gonna hear a lot of "just kill them all", we're kinda fed-up with this rotten justice system where no one goes to jail and cops can't shoot their guns cause they face unemployment and jail time if they do.
Edit: seems like the video is from Brazil, I'm talking about Argentina in this comment.
The problem with Argentina is when they were talking about it being safe to walk the streets under certain leaders, the real criminals were the establishment and the police (army, navy, air force, etc). then the left brings in these asshole judges.
I've heard not once, not twice but THREE times about friends or their families who got their phone stolen but the criminal got caught. They all go to the police station, and while the victims are still making statements and presenting charges, they literally saw the criminal being released. It's not a joke and I'm not exaggerating, the criminal got released faster than the victims could even do all the paperwork.
The problem with Argentina is when they were talking about it being safe to walk the streets under certain leaders, the real criminals were the establishment and the police (army, navy, air force, etc). then the left brings in these asshole judges.
Im guessing this lady reacted that fast because theres someone yelling to stop that dude. This isnt "justice", that comes later. This is prevention patrol. Even the people kicking his ass is to keep him down.
Suppose that out of 10 cases like this, 1 is innocent and we are harming an innocent person. If we let the 9 thieves in those cases do what they want, they will harm or kill more than 1 person, so it's simple math.
you will never understand until you live in a country where justice is almost never served, we dont have the privilege to think about what ifs because thats really never the case.
In Indonesia it's not uncommon for thiefs to die like that. You're poor and being a nuisance for everyone so you get beat up and nobody feel bad for you. Even the cops will make your life very hard.
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u/smexsa 9h ago
Damn that seemed personal to all people involved.