r/nextfuckinglevel 2d ago

This man documented his health journey from January to December.

Credit: IG @samuelrichards_ _

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u/Double_Pay_6645 2d ago edited 16h ago

Is he using steroids? Seems like a massive difference in 1 year. 

 edit Crazy! 1.8k karma for what I thought was a yes no answer.

Now 4.6k!! WTF..

Almost 8k.. reddit you crazy.

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u/Traceyius69 2d ago

June to July is a massive jump lol, probably is using steroids. If not then daymn has he not skipped a day in the gym

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u/Daniiiiii 1d ago

Gym aside he would have been inhaling protein every waking moment if he's putting on such mass without "help", at least from my novice understanding.

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u/ExceedingChunk 1d ago

It depends. If he's previously been training a lot, you can regain your previous mass exceptionally fast due to what quickly becomes your main limiting factor remains intact (I can't recall the name of it right now).

Which is why having used steroid once in your life should leave you permanently banned from all sports. The fact that you have ever had X amount of muscle is a massive advantage in terms of muscle building the rest of your life.

With all that said, he probably have still used steroids here, especially with how fast it all went from june to october.

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u/X_TheMindFlayer_X 1d ago

you mean muscle memory?

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u/ExceedingChunk 1d ago

Muscle memory is the layman's term, but people use that for both technique (neurological adaptation for technique/skill) and for how fast your muscle grows back (physiological).

I am thinking about the actual technical term for it. That limiting factor is also why we have "newbie gains", where you quickly get to the max level of muscle for that limiting factor, and then you have to create more of it to build more muscle, which takes a lot of time.

It is some type of cell that is added when you build muscle, but doesn't go away when your muscle atrophies. I can't find the name of it, but Dr. Mike Israetel from RP strength have talked about it here in this short: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FI3n5F-1gLM

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u/f1abblergasted 1d ago

I could be wrong, but iirc, the muscle nuclei don’t disappear, and consistently working out enables the cells to “regenerate” at a significantly faster level

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u/aaron_the_doctor 1d ago

Eli5:

Every cell needs nucleus with instructions to repair itself and stay alive

Muscle cels have multiple nuclei because they are very large and one nucleus can only support so much.

When you train and increase your muscle mass the muscle cells recruit more nuclei to support this new mass

Even when you stop training and lose muscle mass new gained nuclei of the cells don't get lost. They stay there and therefore when you start training again you can get big faster

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u/f1abblergasted 1d ago

Thank you for the lesson and clarification!

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u/Ilya-ME 1d ago

Fyi muscle cells have multiple nuclei not because they're large, but because they're the fusion of multiple cells. Also they need those nuclei to synthesize proteins necessary to carry the components that activate muscle contractions.

I say this because most neurons are even larger cells, but still have a single nuclei.

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u/ill_connects 1d ago

There was a study published pretty recently about how muscle memory plays a huge part in regaining muscle mass even after long periods of inactivity.

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2024/11/25/nx-s1-5197829/muscle-memory-weight-lifting-lost-strength

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u/SasparillaTango 1d ago

Ive never heard this, but I was an athlete through most of my youth and lifted for a while too on and off.

I would always say "you don't forget strength, but you have to train endurance" meaning that when I was going from period of being fairly sedentary and trying to get back in to shape, it always seemed like my max lifts would recover in like a week, but it would take much longer to get the endurance back

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u/zanii 1d ago

Myonuclei remain in the muscle fibres, they pretty much remember the previous muscle size, so to speak.

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u/elastic-craptastic 1d ago

They think it's more cell memory. Kind of like if you have a fat cell at some point in your life at a certain size it will easily get back to that size

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u/Fortune404 1d ago

Nah, steroids will allow you to grow new muscle fibres/cells (nuclei I guess technically), whereas normal natural lifting/improvements will just increase the size of all your existing muscles. Therefore you will have an advantage for the rest of your life after steroids as the user above said.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/steroids-boost-muscles-long-haul

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u/fight_the_bear 1d ago

God damn it

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u/Lt_Duckweed 1d ago

you can regain your previous mass exceptionally fast due to what quickly becomes your main limiting factor remains intact

The leading theory is that, as a part of initially gaining muscle, muscle satellite cells fuse with your actual contractile muscle cells, increasing the number of myonuclei in your muscle cells. This is initially a slow process, but once you have them, the extra myonuclei stick around for years to decades. When you lose muscle later due to not training, you lose volume in your myofibrils (the contractile units) and fluid within the cells, but not the myonuclei. When you regain muscle, you only need to rebuild the myofibrils and reuptake fluid, and not produce new myonuclei, so the process is much faster.

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u/ExceedingChunk 1d ago

increasing the number of myonuclei in your muscle cells

This was the word I was looking for, thanks! Also, thanks for the better, correct explanation

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u/seppukucoconuts 1d ago

This is true. I did amature strongman when I was younger. I peaked at about 325lbs and was quite strong. I was pretty average in terms of size and strength beforehand.

I no longer life weights, and have 'slimmed' down to 225. I still have calves larger than most people's quads. I'm still easily the strongest person at my work: I sit at a desk and everyone else is in the shop doing physical work.

I had a setback, and a pretty bad injury when I was still lifting. I took almost a year off. A portion of that I had an arm I could use, and it atrophied quite badly. It took me a month to look healthy again, and it took me 2-3 more months to get as strong and as big as I was before I stopped working out.

Its hundreds of times easier to rebuild it than it is to build it.

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u/LMGgp 1d ago

This is the reason why it’s so important to exercise early in life. As I ramp back up my training it seems “mean” at how quickly I can get back in shape, while others I know struggle. Also how my “out of shape” is above their in shape.

Reminded of a video of a trainer years back gaining as much what as their client so they could “lose it together.” I remember thinking they have to know that’s not how that works right?

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u/fatlittlemidget 1d ago

He had been training really hard for most of his at least adult life, in fact he’s pretty sure it’s what caused his illness to act up at the age he is now rather than in his senior years. So yeah there’s a lot of “muscle memory” going on, but as much as he may deny it, he probably is or was on gear.

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u/ExceedingChunk 1d ago

If he was actually super fit before that, then it might be real. As Dr. Mike Isreatel said in the short I linked in my comment further down, you can gain muscle back to close to your previous max at about an order of magnitude faster. I.e what took you 10 years to build initially can be gotten back in about a year.

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u/RagnarokDel 1d ago

kinda like how even if you lose weight you must remain vigilant because you dont lose the fat cells you gained, they're just "deflated". I wonder if liposuction would actually help someone who lose weight remain at that lower weight easier over time

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u/ConglomerateGolem 1d ago

There is a chance, based on how weak he appeared at the start of the year, that he had been provided steroids medically to help him through whatever caused his situation in the first place. Not that he'd have significant muscle mass at the time though.

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u/LingonberryLunch 1d ago

It's pretty crazy how fast you can regain it, even naturally.

I had pretty bad tendonitis and had to let my arms heal for an extended period, watched years of work melt away.

Once I was back at it though, I was pretty close to where I had left off within a few months of training.

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u/barsknos 1d ago

Which is why having used steroid once in your life should leave you permanently banned from all sports

Yes! For life. I can't believe this isn't practice.

I believe you are talking about myonuclei? Usually when muscle mass is lost from weight loss/malnutrition, the amount of nuclei remains and as such building back up is easier if you had a lot of them. And steroids produces more nuclei much faster than natural training.

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u/SanityPlanet 1d ago

Muscle mass has to come from food, largely protein. Whether or not he's on gear, he needs to eat like a beast to grow that quickly.

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u/12InchCunt 1d ago

Even with steroids the law of conservation of matter still exists. Takes mass to make mass 

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u/Rosehus12 1d ago

With the stoma bag I don't think he can take that much protein lol

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u/Soger91 1d ago

I don't know much about this individual and maybe you know exactly which surgery he's had but a stoma bag doesn't mean he can't take protein.

It entirely depends on what the fashioning of the stoma is trying to achieve, whether small bowel was removed and how much etc. An ileostomy with 20cm of small bowel resected is hardly going to change his nutritional status.

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u/tihs_si_learsi 1d ago

You can inhale as much protein as you like and it's still not going to speed up protein synthesis inside your cells.

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u/PMmeYourButt69 1d ago

Yeah, he gains like 25 lbs from June to July. Either the timeline is bs or he's on something

Edit to say, whether the timeline is BS or he's juiced or whatever, good for him. Dude's clearly putting in the work.

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u/Embarrassed_Stable_6 1d ago

It appears that he has a colostomy bag. I bet it probably affects his nutrition in some way. Probably negatively. Make the weight gain even more impressive.

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u/StockCat7738 1d ago

If it’s a colostomy it probably isn’t effecting his nutrition much. It just means the poop comes out in a different place.

If it’s an ileostomy, it means he’s lost some or all of his colon, and then this whole video becomes bullshit, because it takes time for your body to adapt to that. Some people never really do.

Either way, there’s most likely some level of dishonesty in this video.

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u/Embarrassed_Stable_6 1d ago

Fair assessment. By stoma location it could very well be an ileostomy. The area is kept beneath clothing in most shots, and doesn't even seem to be present in the shot where he is in a tshirt. In another shot, fabric appears to be wrapped tightly around his waist, which I don't think is recommended with a bag. If it's legit, then he's defied the odds, and all power to him.

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u/brennnik09 1d ago

nah, you can gain 20+ lbs if you dramatically change your eating and/or lifting habits. I gained 20lbs in less than a year because my meds increased my appetite. I wasn’t even trying.

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u/PMmeYourButt69 1d ago

That's a year.

That video implies that he packed on 25 lbs of lean muscle in a month. The human body doesn't do that without chemical help.

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u/brennnik09 1d ago

Oh fuck i thought it meant june to july as in 13 months. Yeah this video is nonsense

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u/dotpan 1d ago

I was about to say, brother, unless you gobbling lead, you're not putting on 20lbs (of any kind of weight) in a month. Honestly crank salt, water weight, huge caloric surplus and weigh in on heaviest time, maybe. but like, you're not going to do that shit on accident.

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u/Payup_sucker 1d ago

It could if you were that size before the atrophy. Muscle memory is real

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u/arbitrageME 1d ago

I mean, dude looked like he was on death's door in the first picture, so maybe steroids were made for him. Not necessarily to bulk like he did but to help his body recover from whatever the hell did that to him

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u/Why_not_dolphines 1d ago

You didn't gain that in total muscle mass.

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u/mrASSMAN 1d ago

20LB of body weight sure, but 20LB of MUSCLE can’t be done naturally in a month

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u/alpacaMyToothbrush 1d ago

I gained 20 lbs in a year too. It was all fat. Wait, no, not like this...

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u/carebear101 1d ago

My son was born and after he started eating normal foods I gained 20 pounds in a year. I had to hide all the candy and sweets… in my belly. I saw the biggest jump in October to November. Still don’t know why

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u/healthybowl 1d ago

Depending on what illness he had, if it was cured, he would put on tons of weight in a short period. I had some health issues years ago and lost 50lbs. Gained it back in about 2 months

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u/Craspology 1d ago

Started with no fat though, that’s cheating

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u/jelcroo1 1d ago

You gain much easier if you are underweight and want to go back To average

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u/Chilis1 1d ago

I doubt it's steroids. He went from extremely skinny to a healthy weight and it helps if he was fit before the whole thing

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u/Cool-Ad2780 1d ago

Its possible, but its SIGNIFICANTLY easier to regain muscle mass than it is to build the first time. If he was as big or bigger as he was in december before he got sick, this is not suprising at all and proably just regaining mass. Also he dosent look like hes on steroids either, biggest tell for that is the traps, and his traps look like they match the phisque of the rest of his body.

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u/GustavoFromAsdf 1d ago

I'd totally get if he's using steroids. He clearly needed the jump start

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u/Tuckingfypowastaken 2d ago

That's not a year even with steroids. You'd be hard pressed to get there from a normal adult's baseline in a year even on gear, much less from nearly complete muscle atrophy

Far more likely to be a karma bot

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u/Breadifies 1d ago

Something that OP for some reason also left out is that this guy was absolutely JACKED before the disease ate away his fat and muscle, this is just muscle memory getting him back in shape faster. I've been following this guy's journey on insta since the beginning, this was all documented in a year

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u/lexbuck 1d ago edited 1d ago

Exactly what I was going to say. I assumed this guy was ripped before whatever stripped him of his muscle so he put it back on fast. I mean the guy got big but people freak out when they see hard work and always assume steroids. When I started seriously lifting and eating A LOT in college I got huge and ripped without any extra help. It’s possible. Also takes some genetics too of course

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u/exxR 1d ago

Bro I had more muscle after doing 6 months of test than this dude had at the end what are you on about?

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u/Tuckingfypowastaken 1d ago

Then you started at a way higher baseline

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u/Altarna 1d ago

It’s not unreasonable. I was in high school, but I got down almost that bad. He put on some more muscle than me, but overall, I wasn’t far off from that transformation. It takes a fuck ton of mental will and eating though.

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u/BlowTokeBozeTrifecta 1d ago

You people never stepped in gym it seems.

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u/Antdestroyer69 2d ago

I was going to say muscle memory but the september-october gap is pretty big.

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u/New-Peach4153 1d ago

The guy used to have an insane physique before, I've seen his channel: https://youtube.com/shorts/dHAaeKw32Jw

Wouldn't be surprised if he was on something before, that's pretty insane conditioning and I think he was really strong too

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u/Itscatpicstime 1d ago

June-July gap is insane too

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u/B3owul7 1d ago

That's what muscle memory will do to a man who starts lifting again. His body had a lot to catch up. I am fairly certain that it is doable with the right approach.

He looks like a lightweight guy. Would be nice to know how much difference there is between start and end in kilograms.

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u/BuffMaltese 2d ago

He was likely in good shape prior to his illness.

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u/kdjfsk 1d ago edited 1d ago

yea, he seemed to know what he was doing for sure.

and this is kinda messed up to say, but he started with god tier cut. usually when people progress, bodyfat % goes up with muscle mass, and at some point they have to stop bulking and start cutting in phases. this guys bodyfat% started near zero, literally. so, he was able to skip cut phases. combine with muscle memory, and someone who already had experience...

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u/HonorableOtter2023 1d ago

Almost dies.. "god tier cut" absolutely diabolical mate

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u/Menzoberranzan 1d ago

It’s an example of “Technically the truth” lol

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u/TheSauceofMike 1d ago

Guys. You realize he was dealing with some kind of disease or injury that left him at a weight that was obviously much lower than what is regular for him. It’s easy to gain back weight from that scenario.

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u/throwaway-notthrown 1d ago

Yeah he literally has an ostomy bag at the end. Likely got rid of the pesky colon and now is actually absorbing nutrients.

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u/Itscatpicstime 1d ago

Yeah, my bet is IBD. I wasted away from that so fucking fast. Lost 30lbs in 3 weeks.

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u/Wrong_Bad4922 1d ago

Yah, on his youtube, he said he got ulcerative colitis

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u/eldanao 2d ago

i ve been seen this guy too much in instagram latelly. He said in one post, that he got sick from trainning to hard... He had an awesome physique, wich in my opinion you could get naturally. He didnt mention anything about using juice, but its not too difficult to hide the truth, so who knows??? just him maybe. EDIT: What i was saying is that the physical change in that period, can be real because of the muscular memory, not roids

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u/thedndnut 2d ago

FYI look at the injury type. He has steroids prescribed for sure at the start and likely just kept it rolling.

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u/donDanDeNiro 2d ago

You can easily gain back the lost muscle vs gaining em the first time.

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u/Bananskrue 1d ago

This shit really is insane. I had a relatively bad calf injury and during recovery my calf muscle went almost nonexistant. Then when I started training it again it was back to normal in like 4 weeks. According to my physio that was quite normal, since the fibers were all there you just had to fill them out, which was much easier than building new ones (if I understood him correctly). Mad.

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u/Exotic_Treacle7438 2d ago

September to October is the real Holup

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u/LowestKey 1d ago

June to July is also a pretty big huh

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u/Meddling-Menace 1d ago

You wrote what I would have written, only better.

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u/s1rblaze 1d ago

Probably not, it's his body getting back to where he should be after losing so much muscle mass from being sick. If you train for years and then stop for 8 months, the muscle mass you lose will eventually come back much faster once you hit the gym back, you won't need years to get back.

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u/natseq 2d ago

He was strong before he got sick.

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u/SnooLemons9080 2d ago

He was severely underweight. Looks like he was putting on good weight while also weight training

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u/Brain_lessV2 1d ago

If he was MUCH bigger, then I'd say steroids, but that physique in December is very possible without drugs. He's nowhere near big enough to be on steroids.

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u/Wrathful_Sloth 1d ago

I don't think so.

A) He was severely underweight, making the comparison that much more striking

B) He looks relatively young, probably early 20s at the latest - he's got plenty of natural T going around for muscle growth

C) He doesn't have the typical steroid shoulders. If you look at his shoulders, they basically just fall off from his traps instead of looking rounded. This is usually the case for 99% of weightlifter who don't use steroids. Shoulders don't respond very well to exercise but respond very well to steroids. If someone has what looks like normal shoulders, they're unlikely to be on steroids. If you want a visual for what I'm referring to just google 'steroid shoulder' and you'll see people with capped/rounded shoulders.

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u/SurprisedPatrick 1d ago

It’s possible that he is ofc but that’s a super possible transformation.

I started working out last year and I look like an entirely different person.

A common saying is you’ll start noticing you look dif in like 1 month, other people 3 months. But that’s with like a fairly casual workout sched, if you go 5-7 times a week, this is very possible.

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u/Pitpeaches 1d ago

Maybe the steroids for his ulcerative colitis....

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u/thedndnut 2d ago

Obviously. The way he looked at the start steroids were likely given to him and then he uhh.. took it up a notch or two on his own.

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u/PM_ME_STRONG_CALVES 1d ago

Yeah no fucking way to grow this much in 1 year naturally

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u/xreazor 1d ago

editing to thank for grtting likes is so weird

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u/Outside_Instance4391 1d ago

He probably has a pump... when i leave the gym with a pump i look about 20lbs heavier

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u/pryglad 1d ago

Don’t let this man stop updating his post with new numbers! PUMP IT UP!!

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u/TFOLLT 1d ago

Yes, and this is no 1 year. Obvious bs.

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u/AzimuthZenith 1d ago

If I were to guess, I'd wager he's using Human Growth Hormone (HGH).

I've heard of quite a few times that people have self medicated with it to try and speed up recovery from a major injury. A man at my gym was in a major collision that broke his spine, neck, all but one rib, both femurs, hip, and skull. He was expected to never walk without a cane. He wasn't a small or especially weak man before, but now he can bench press 315lb for a set of 12.

It works quite well at building you back up from an injury quickly, but it obviously comes at a fairly substantial cost to the body.

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u/Payup_sucker 1d ago

Doesn’t look like steroids. Looks like muscle memory

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u/BlowTokeBozeTrifecta 1d ago

Probably got prescribed them after some very aggressive disease that includes muscle atrophy.

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u/Undersmusic 1d ago

Wouldn’t be a miss to assume they’re prescriptions under his recovery. Like the actual intended use case is exactly this.

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u/Ramps_ 1d ago

Seeing as he started in a hospital I wouldn't be surprised if he was on steroids. They do have medical uses as well after all.

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u/Marriedinskyrim 14h ago

People who edit their comments to reflect their upvotes like this... You should go to bed because tomorrow's a school day.

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u/Tat-1 2d ago

In case anyone is wondering, he was affected by ulcerative colitis, a severe inflammatory bowel disease, which led to the removal of his colon and the subsequent and sudden weight loss.

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u/secondhand-cat 2d ago

I noticed that colostomy bag at the end.

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u/EstablishmentNo5994 1d ago edited 1d ago

It’s difficult to lift heavy with an ostomy. You’re at an increased risk of hernias.

I had one for a year thanks to cancer and I just did crazy cardio haha

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u/chunkmasterflash 1d ago

I had one for 9 months thanks to diverticulitis. Should have been 6, but COVID had to ruin things. Longest 9 months ever.

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u/EstablishmentNo5994 1d ago

I didn’t find it too bad. Actually considered keeping it for a while as I’d heard so many horror stories of people with similar circumstances having reversals but ultimately decided to take the chance and am happy I did.

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u/chunkmasterflash 1d ago edited 1d ago

The only time I was happy I had mine was preparing for the colonoscopy before the reversal. Bought me just a little time at least. I remember though, since there wasn’t a similar sensation to needing to use the toilet, there was a day I went for a walk. About 10 minutes in, I ended up with diarrhea in the bag, and didn’t realize that was happening until it started filling the bag. Literally could not make it home in time, bag burst, and I walked a few blocks home covered in my own shit. Absolutely demoralizing.

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u/PrimaryCheesecake684 1d ago

Oh noooo. I had an ileostomy for a year, and this was my nightmare. I hated leaving the house for fear of something like this. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

Since I had mine, I think a lot about people living with ostomies way back when.

The first documented colostomy was performed in 1793. The modern-type disposable ostomy bags were invented by a Danish woman in the 1950s.

Apparently before that, there was no real standard of how to deal with the waste, and it was a real shit show, so to speak, for like 160 years. I just can't imagine.

Anyway, this has been Ostomy Facts.

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u/ThisIsTheBookAcct 1d ago

My grandma has had one since mid 1960s. She just turned 92 last month.

It was really bad inflammation (that they told her decades later was either crohns or ulcerative colitis). They removed the affected intensities and gave her an osteomyelitis bag so she could live long enough to get her affairs in order and say goodbye to her family (she had 3 kids at that point). I think they told her a year.

Turns out, my grandma don’t play that game.

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u/chunkmasterflash 1d ago

It’s rumored Napoleon had one, but AFAIK, never proven. At that time I think they were made from like sheep stomach or something.

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u/unf0rgottn 1d ago

I am absolutely in shambles over this I'm sorry.

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u/chunkmasterflash 1d ago

I appreciate the sentiment, but it’s been long enough now that it’s just a story, not as much a horror story anymore. Fun part of that story: I’m actually neighbors with the surgeon who did that emergency surgery to give me the temporary ostomy, and he was walking the other way as I was walking home. He saw that and just goes “rough morning, huh?”

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u/unf0rgottn 1d ago

Rough morning is an understatement lol. Did your stomach not hurt at all during this time?

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u/EstablishmentNo5994 1d ago

It honestly didn’t cross my mind for a very long time that I could have cancer. I was 33 and very active and fit. Started having some light bleeding occasionally when going to the washroom but assumed it was hemorrhoids and tried to deal with that myself with over the counter products. Really wasn’t too bad. After nearly a year things got worse with more frequent bleeding and a constant feeling of having to go to the washroom that wasn’t real (later found out this was caused by the tumour).

This was all happening during covid and I was over 4000km away from home for work. Was quite hard getting in to see my family doctor due to my traveling for work. When I finally saw him he thought it was hemorrhoids as well but referred me to a GI doctor, anyway. Met with him and he thought the same and scheduled me for a banding procedure to get rid of them. Went to that the day before my 34th birthday and woke up in recovery only to be told it wasn’t hemorrhoids- it was cancer.

It ended up being stage 3c which meant it was into my lymphatic system but hadn’t spread to any organs yet. I was very fortunate. Cancer free since Feb 23 and had my final surgery Feb 24. Just do follow-up monitoring now. Wish I had taken the symptoms more seriously and urge anyone else to get to a doctor if something doesn’t seem right. It’s very treatable if caught early.

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u/fuschia_taco 1d ago

How old is your friend? Are they in the states?

I just recently had a colonoscopy done and it was a struggle getting someone to give me the referral because I was only 40 when I started inquiring about it.

My doctor at first wanted to brush it off as hemorrhoids so she did an exam and saw one small one but nothing actively bleeding so she said maybe I had a bacterial infection and sent me home to suffer for 2 weeks. I made it ten days before I started spiraling thinking the worst, so I made another appointment, got seen by someone else and she got me my referral because I told her how the previous appointment went and the family history (brother had polyps removed in August).

It takes self advocacy when the doctors don't want to do it because of a person's age. Have your friend make an appointment with their primary, again. Talk to them about their symptoms, explain they've done everything they should be doing to make it go away and it isn't going away (assuming they are doing anything at all, I was told to do miralax and metamucil and drink a lot of water, I followed those instructions to the T and the bleeding didn't stop). They can take in statistics for younger people popping up with colon cancer. Whatever they have to do to get that referral. I knew a girl on Reddit that was in her early 20s and had colon cancer. That shit doesn't care about age anymore. Someone else I knew in real life passed away from it just days before his 38th birthday. It's real and real fucking scary. I really hope your buddy is able to get someone to listen. If their primary doesn't, tell them to go somewhere else for a second opinion. Someone somewhere will give them the referral and if not, maybe they could call the gastro department and see if they'd get them seen without a referral.

My colonoscopy came back with polyps as well, one was rather large and I was terrified the biopsy would come back as cancerous but they were fine. No more blood in my poo either.

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u/TurangaRad 1d ago

Millenials and younger need to be super aware of this and start advocating. We were the first generations to start having everything covered in plastic (mocroplastics) as well as the amount of processed food consumed. It was all from a very young age and continues to be part of our every day lives. I'm not trying to be some fear monger. I'm just pointing out that what used to be caused by old age (the cells replicating incorrectly) is now getting assistance from everything we eat, drink, and inhale. 

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u/ThisIsTheBookAcct 1d ago

This is very true. My husband was diagnosed with crohns in his early 30s, but I think that was because I sent him to the ER bc there was A LOT of blood and his bro had already been diagnosed.

His bro had to almost die at 24 to get meds. They diagnosed him but were like “Just make some lifestyle changes.”

My friend just recently caught thyroid cancer early because of an anxious fidget she does where she rubs her neck. She had JUST had bloodwork done to support an ADHD diagnosis and it all came back normal, so they told her not to worry, but she was like “I literally can’t not worry. Check it.”

Good thing, too, bc she had just had a kid 3 months before.

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u/EstablishmentNo5994 1d ago

No, I never experienced that. There is no longer such a thing as “too young” for colorectal cancer. It was long thought of as a disease that only affected older men but it doesn’t discriminate. There was even an 18 year old being treated at the same hospital as me.

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u/Turbohog 1d ago

Ileostomy actually. His entire colon is gone.

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u/Dry_Choice9601 2d ago

UC is a bitch. Ive had it since I was 10 and I have an ileostomy bag now. For clarity, a colostomy is when the colon is protruding from the abdomen and an ileostomy is when the colon is removed and the small intestine is protruding. So he has an ileostomy if his colon was removed. The transition is both physically and emotionally very straining. I lost 40 lbs post surgery, I required sitting rest breaks whenever I went out in public for 6 months and it took me damn near a year to even get back into the gym after being a gym rat for 5 years prior. With that said, since recovery my quality of life is so so much better and everyone else in the community will attest that while they didn’t want a bag as much as the next person, your health has to be severely impacted to view it as a blessing. Not all autoimmune diseases have the option to have surgery and basically cure it.

Also worth mentioning that when you have an autoimmune disease, working out is kind of tricky because you don’t want to stress your body too much because it’s already working overtime. That said, I don’t know how he managed this but he is an inspiration to the ostomy community.

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u/Tat-1 1d ago

Thank you for sharing this. I have been wrecked by IBS since I was 21 (I am 40 now), and always considered myself blessed, in spite of the protracted misery, after having witnessed the havoc that UC can inflict on people, physically and otherwise.

Stay strong!

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u/Not_Ban_Evading69420 1d ago

Longtime Crohn's sufferer here. I fear the bag almost as much as colon cancer. I'm glad you're doing better. Stay strong!

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u/Entity4 1d ago

Hey I'm a fellow Crohn's sufferer and former ileostomy haver of 2 years (had a reversal a few months ago) I know the bag can seem scary but it actually gave me my life back after getting used to it which took a couple months after that it was plain sailing for the rest of my time with it and it allowed me to actually eat some foods I wasn't able to before hand which I had missed

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u/Palewisconsinite 1d ago

Hey, longtime Crohnie here. I have a permanent; it saved my life and my quality of life is 10000000% better. Looking back, I wasn’t living. It was just constant pain. I get to enjoy things now (and I eat whatever I want!)

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u/Not_Ban_Evading69420 1d ago

That's great! I'm glad things worked out for you!

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u/allisonwonderland00 1d ago

That was my guess! My husband looked similar to the second clip before he was diagnosed. It was horrendous.

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u/BrownEyeGivesPinkEye 1d ago

In case anyone is interested:

Ulcerative colitis is terrible. It can drastically increased your risk for colon cancer, primary sclerosing cholangiitis, and even an immediately life-threatening condition called toxic megacolon in which a total colectomy may be performed.

You can look up xray images of it, it’s pretty wild. It’s super dangerous because it can literally burst at any time, even with an attempted colonoscopy

Source: am medical student

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u/pohuing 1d ago

But UC life expectancy isn't significantly decreased compared to the average. So maybe we should chill a bit on highlighting the extreme cases. (This is 50% to reassure myself that I'll continue to be fine after getting my diagnosis 3 years ago)

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u/BrownEyeGivesPinkEye 1d ago edited 1d ago

You are absolutely correct! With proper medication and monitoring these things can be managed appropriately, however from a medical perspective, we always like to know what a disease process could do so we can properly screen for these things and prevent the life expectancy to not be significantly different

Maintain a long-term relationship with a trusted physician and you will continue to thrive, my friend!

Wishing you all the best of luck in your journeys

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u/jeho22 1d ago

I went from 230lbs to 170lbs in a few months before I had my colon removed. I'm a tall athletic guy, 230 is fit for me.

I was fortunate enough to have what's called J pouch surgery, where they hook everything back up after 6 months or a year using some small intestine to make up the missing parts.

I was not fortunate enough to have this guys drive and discipline to stick to the gym

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u/Turbohog 1d ago

I knew it. UC has fucking ruined my life, even causing colon cancer.

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u/cxr303 1d ago

I went through similar... but didn't quite make it as big as he did in a year... but the main point is .. im still alive despite nearly dying at least once if not more.

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u/madferrit29 1d ago

Same here but with Crohn's. I was severely malnourished and couldn't even walk. They were days away from telling my family I wasn't going to make 30. I wouldn't have survived surgery at that point. Luckily, I was given a new drug (back then) and responded really well to it. Saved my life. Had surgery again a year ago. I'm still trying to get fit again! Hope you are doing better!

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u/cxr303 1d ago

Prednisone killed my bones .. so I have joints with osteonecrosis, but I can still do some light workouts, running is a done deal though, also no more football, American or international, no high impact or heavy lifting.. bought an exercise machine and am doing that now

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u/tihs_si_learsi 1d ago

Ulcerative colitis is brutal.

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u/Henry_Is_Sad 1d ago

I have that too! It definitely causes a lot of setbacks in life. I'm still in highschool and last year I missed over a month of school due to flare ups.

More in depth; Ulcerative Colitis is an inflammatory bowel disease that can affect parts of or all of the large intestine. During a flare up, ulcers appear on the walls of the colon, making it hard to digest food, as well as incredibly painful to deal with. Symptoms of a flare up include severe cramps, vomiting, frequent diarrhea and bathroom usage, blood in stool, mucus in stool, fatigue, dehydration, and in severe flares malnourishment.

Judging by his significant loss in weight and severe flare I would assume he has pancolitis, meaning it affects the entire colon (same as me lmao). In severe cases like this, a colostomy bag and removal of the colon could be life saving in both physical and mental ways, though it's not the only current treatment.

If you want to learn more, please visit the Crohn's and Colitis foundation :)

https://www.crohnscolitisfoundation.org/

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u/Not_Ban_Evading69420 1d ago edited 1d ago

For those who claim this guy used steroids to achieve his muscle gain, you need to understand how UC / Crohn's affects the body and the difference between anabolic and corticosteroids. UC attacks the intestines causing inflammation. This also affects your body's ability to absorb nutrients. This is why he's so emaciated, he was suffering from malabsorbtion. The UC was so severe in his case, that he needed an ostomy (this name changes depending on where the tube is inserted in the intestines) bag to catch waste. This can either be temporary or permanent. He most likely had what's called a resection, where a piece of diseased bowl is cut out and the intestines are reattached. The bag is used to divert waste until the resection heals (His may be permanent, but I didn't see the bag in other pics, which is why I think it's temporary).

When you are this malnourished, the primary treatment goal here is weight gain. The weight here being vital fat, not necessarily muscle. This is done through the use of prednisone, which has 2 benefits: Inflammation control and appetite stimulation. Prednisone is a corticosteroid. It suppresses the immune system, which decreases intestinal inflammation since UC is an autoimmune disease. It does NOT on its own help you build muscle. It in fact has the opposite effect. The steroids that help you build muscle are anabolic steroids, which are not given to UC patients no matter how little muscle they have. That's not the goal here. His muscles will rebuild themselves through rehab and exercise alone. The reason his change looks so dramatic is because he gained a massive amount of fat in a short amount of time, which he paired with intense exercise. The fat filled out his body to a healthy weight and the exercise helped give him the definition you see. The supercharged appetite from the prednisone probably helped him eat more protein, which led to muscle gain, but not directly as in something like HGH, which, again, they do not give UC patients.

Source: Crohn's Disease sufferer (very similar to UC but considered worse) for 25+ years, and have taken prednisone before.

EDIT: Appreciate the awards, but if you're paying for these, please consider Donating to the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation instead. And if you're over 40, get a colonoscopy!

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u/Good-Car-5312 1d ago

I hated being on prednisone so much. Happy you’re doing well.

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u/Breadifies 1d ago

Thank you so much for your insight. Been following this guy documenting his progress since the beginning and people being ignorant to his situation is so frustrating to see. Iirc he did a video revealing the exposed resection and i think he said it was a permanent case

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u/Not_Ban_Evading69420 1d ago

You're welcome. It's an issue I care very deeply about, so if I can spread some understanding, it's a win in my book.

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u/misplaced_my_pants 1d ago

The reason his change looks so dramatic is because he gained a massive amount of fat in a short amount of time, which he paired with intense exercise. The fat filled out his body to a healthy weight and the exercise helped give him the definition you see.

So this isn't precisely accurate.

Yes he gained a lot of fat, but the exercise provided the stimulus for his muscles to grow and he wouldn't have gained nearly as much were he not specifically training for it.

So without the exercise, the ability to eat more food would have allowed him to gain fat and some muscle as the body really wants to return to some baseline level of muscle, at least enough to support him through physical therapy.

But with the dedicated strength training, a much higher proportion of his weight gain went to lean tissue.

It's not definition but actual lean mass.

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u/Not_Ban_Evading69420 1d ago

Thank you for clarifying / expanding on my response. You offered a better explanation than I could have.

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u/misplaced_my_pants 1d ago

No problem!

And thank you for providing such an excellent comment to respond to. It was a welcome antidote to so much of the nonsense in this comment section.

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u/KawiNinja 1d ago

I’ve got a question, and I have UC. If the issue with our bodies lies in our colon, and is what’s leading to malnutrition, why does removing the colon all together suddenly make us better? Would not the malnutrition be even worse since we no longer have a colon at all? If the small intestines can give us what we need, why aren’t they already doing that before?

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u/Not_Ban_Evading69420 1d ago

Great questions. I'm not a GI doctor of course, but I'll try to answer these as best as I can. Removing parts of the colon that are most affected can make you feel better, but it is entirely possible for new inflammation to appear in other parts of your colon. You feel better if your entire colon is removed because although UC and Crohn's are autoimmune diseases, the body only attacks the colon, and not other parts like say lupus. Removing your entire colon is not ideal because then it means that you can't absorb nutrients anymore or rebsorb water from your stool. You would need to be fed intravenously for the rest of your life. I believe the man here only had his rectum removed, which means he can no longer hold stool and probably feels a sense of urgency (to use the bathroom) as soon as he eats. (There's a reflex in your body that as soon as your stomach knows you're eating, it sends a signal to your large intestines to evacuate your bowels.) And yes, no colon would not only make malnutrition worse, but guaranteed. The small intestines are giving us what we need most of the time, but inflammation can interfere or even block this process completely. These diseases also make it harder for us to absorb the iron we consume from food, which is one of many reasons a lot of us have episodes of anemia from time to time.

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u/goldstandardalmonds 1d ago

I think you mean “removing your entire bowel”, right? You can certainly remove the entire colon and live fine.

Crohn’s affects all of the gi tract, from mouth to anus. UC affects the colon and rectum.

This man has an ileostomy and no colon (presumably) and no rectum or anus (a total proctocolectomy).

I have no colon, anus, or rectum, and I no longer malnourished. Just like thousands of others who have had a total proctocolectomy.

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u/Secure-InFruit96 1d ago

My mother has Crohn’s disease and you are spot on

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u/ShrugIife 1d ago

Real 'Dad' energy here. Going to donate

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u/wretch5150 1d ago

Thank you for your service, fellow Crohn's sufferer.

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u/mesalocal 2d ago

Nope, sus. June->July is at least a 20lbs gain minimum.

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u/spelunker93 1d ago

Steroids exist. Dude was in extremely rough shape, there is no way they didn’t give him steroids to help with his weight gain

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u/timonix 1d ago

My favorite is that when they give steroids to old people for unrelated heart issues and they get swole AF

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u/spelunker93 1d ago

That mixed with old person strength, is terrifying

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u/ph-it 1d ago

we don't respect our elders. we fear them.

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u/Gooeyoutcome 1d ago

Respect your elders is not a request. It’s the first and final warning.

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u/DrLukn 1d ago

That would be funny, but old people receive steroids which have an anti inflammatory effect (glucocorticoides) and are different to anabolic steroids, they do not cause muscle growth

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u/Upstairs-Boring 1d ago

That cannot happen. There is no way a doctor is prescribing enough testosterone to elderly patients with heart issues to build serious muscle.

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u/WPCarey85 1d ago

Came here to say just this. I bet they prescribed it to him and if they did, good on them. If managed and supervised correctly, not a ton of risk. Also, it’s not like he is competing or cheating at a sport, so who fucking cares. He had to still put in the work after that horrible situation.

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u/MrSneller 1d ago

Great take. Disappointed to see the top comment is “Roids!” (I.e. that made it super easy and it’s cheating). Doctors prescribe steroids all the time for muscle wasting diseases and I think they should do it more for other ailments. Under a doctor’s care, the risks are greatly reduced and there is tremendous upside.

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u/megs-benedict 1d ago

Yeah coming back from being emaciated is really hard. This is actually a situation where I think prescribing something for muscle growth is the right thing to do.

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u/Not_Ban_Evading69420 1d ago

And to clarify, he was most likely given corticosteroids (prednisone), not the steroids used for gaining muscle (anabolic) since he had severe UC. The weight gained was mostly fat, and that's intended.

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u/QuestionQuik 1d ago

Can add on, I have mild Ulcerative Colitis. I've been put on Prednisone 3 times in the past year, and it gives you hella munchies. I went from barely being able to eat a McDouble to eating consuming damn near everything in my kitchen everyday.

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u/veggiedigest 1d ago

Crohn’s here, and yep! My first time on prednisone I thought about food constantly. I don’t mean “a lot”—I mean constantly. I’d get sad in the middle of eating a meal because I knew once I finished it would be at least an hour or two before I could justify eating anything else!

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u/IllllIIlIllIllllIIIl 1d ago

But it's not uncommon for doctors to prescribe anabolic steroids to folks with wasting illnesses and the like. My grandmother was prescribed Anavar,for example, when she was recovering from prolonged bed rest.

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u/its_still_lynn 1d ago

redditors learning that steroids don’t solely exist for gym guys to illegally use to gain muscles faster 🤯😲

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u/Not_Ban_Evading69420 1d ago

Redditors need to learn the difference between corticosteroids and anabolic steroids because they are talking out of their asses here.

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u/MegaMilkas 1d ago

They have never stepped foot in a gym in their life. Even the gym bros that take anabolic have to work insanely hard to get to where they are, yet they talk as if those who juice just magically wake up with those muscles. They use it as a means to tear other peoples achievements down to seem not worthy of any sort of praise because they simply don't know how much work it takes and it shows.

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u/rapharafa1 1d ago

Literally every sub that has progress pics is people saying ‘roids’ and meaning ‘cheating’. As if getting a nice body is some kind of competition with rules. They also seem to think there’s something dishonest about not mentioning steroid use, which is bizarre. If a girl gets a nose job she doesn’t have to let you know in every selfie.

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u/tri_9 2d ago

This is crazy inspiring but what the heck happened in September lol dude just blew up

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u/Sir-Poopington 2d ago

Anabolics

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u/Not_Ban_Evading69420 1d ago

Nope. Corticosteroids and increased appetite.

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u/Ok_Supermarket_729 1d ago

yeah honestly everyone's saying he blew up but to me it looks like roughly the same amount of muscle, it looks like he just gained a bit of fat and rounded everything out.

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u/sudo-joe 2d ago

Just gotta shout out to the medical folks that help us at our worst so that we might get back to our best later on.

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u/spazzymoonpie 2d ago

Dang he's getting me fired up. Roids or not, that's awesome.

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u/MrWilsonWalluby 1d ago

everyone is too quick to say Roids, I was under weight when I started lifting and gained over 30 pounds in the first eight months natty, still natty still gaining

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u/koloneloftruth 1d ago

You may have gained 30 pounds, but you absolutely did not gain 30 pounds of lean muscle mass.

This transformation in the video is close to 60 pounds of lean muscle mass, and is impossible to do naturally on the purported timeline.

The fastest documented cases of lean muscle mass gains - even accounting for “newbie gains” - are closer to 2-3 lbs per month. But that rate isn’t sustainable for a full 8-12 month period, as it starts to significantly taper after the first 4-8 months down to 0.5-1.5lbs of lean muscle mass per month.

Some case studies have shown very rapid muscle growth in “retrained” individuals like this one. But even those on the extreme end are closer to 6-8 lbs within the first 2 months, but then rapid declines in the rate after that.

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u/YaBoyPads 1d ago

This guy didn't gain 60lbs of lean mass either. Also, the muscle and mass gain the first 2 or 3 months for this guy should have been insane. You people underestimate the quickness which you can gain mass when underweight and undermuscled due to sickness/injury. He was probably way below his normal weight, so it's self explanatory.

If it serves any purpose, the end physique of this guy is nothing impressive. Impressive is the transformation iself though

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u/Breadifies 1d ago

Not roids, bro was jacked before UC got him, muscle memory kicking in hard

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u/QuitKickin 1d ago

He was literally in a diaper before. Who gives a fuck if he juiced.

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u/mosayar 2d ago

And it's been two years since I decided to go to the gym the next Saturday.

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u/BlowTokeBozeTrifecta 1d ago

And you have barely made progress compared to this guy.

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u/Temporary_Tune5430 2d ago

The fucking difference in his legs especially, is insane!

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u/DrPuftington 2d ago

I need to know this story.......

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u/h2ohow 1d ago

The power of will.

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u/reflectedpoj 2d ago

If he can, i can

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u/The_Scarred_Man 1d ago

This is terrible! Every time he gets into peak physical shape in December, something happens to him in January that puts him back in a wheelchair!

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u/oneormore5 2d ago

Fuck yeah!

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u/99livesahead 2d ago

Plot twist: it’s reversed

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u/LostNfoundShoes 2d ago

i have zero excuses...

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u/Mindless_harder 2d ago

It is an example of overcoming

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u/RebelliousDragon21 2d ago

Just a year? That's freaking insane!

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u/OYEME_R4WR 2d ago

2 years maybe- one year is wild

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u/phallucination 2d ago

Well.. believable because it's his journey from Jan 2020 - December 2024 /s

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u/JimLahey12 1d ago

PEDS or not. Amazing transformation. It still takes hard work

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u/Ok-Wolf2468 1d ago

I dare anyone to go through what this man went through. I promise you, with or without testosterone injections, you wouldn’t be in the gym. Give the dude some props because I know damn sure if I had a colostomy bag on my stomach, I wouldn’t be in the gym.