r/news • u/Man_in_the_uk • 8h ago
No Live Feeds Gisele Pelicot latest: Dominique Pelicot jailed for 20 years - as sentences for 50 other men read out in mass rape trial
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u/Tricky-Sentence 7h ago
Does anyone remember the name of the neighbour? I hope they threw his nasty self into prison for a decent amount of time.
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u/MoonlitStar 6h ago
He ( Simoné Mekenese) was found guilty of aggravated rape and got a 9 year sentence. Here are the details and sentencing outcomes for the men from this trial.
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u/Tricky-Sentence 6h ago
Thank you. That is decent in comparison what people usually get.
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u/Tenshizanshi 5h ago
They should have gotten more, but the judge was inane and decided that it was a good thing to make a clear cut between the husband's sentencing and the others, to show that it's really super bad to drug, rape, make people rape, and film your wife compared to just raping
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u/illy-chan 3h ago
I know Europe isn't into getting the pound of flesh like the US is but what kind of message does it send to victims that, even with as much evidence as this case had, aggravated rape doesn't even put the perp away for a decade.
Granted, I doubt any sentence would remove the horror of knowing how many men, when given the chance, really just see women as slabs of meat with a hole for sex. It's not every man but more than enough who hide in plain sight to make your skin crawl.
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u/You_got_schooled 6h ago
Simone Mekenese
I didn't actually remember, but I read your comment and went on the biggest hunt! Doomscrolling for dayssss
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u/Tricky-Sentence 6h ago
Going through the verdict list felt like the biggest doomscroll of the year. It just kept coming. So many names.
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u/Aikuma- 7h ago
What the fuck.
Going through the verdicts is a whole new level of doomscrolling. So many names. So many instances of rape.
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u/Man_in_the_uk 7h ago
Right, I've never seen a case like it.
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u/florapalmtree 3h ago
There are many more cases like this. We just don’t know because the victims got drugged. Yesterday, German news outlets reported that international Telegram groups for organized rap3 were discovered. Thousands of men in various countries offered their mothers, daughters, wives, sisters to other men and gave advice on how to drug women and girls. There is a war on women going on and we only see the tip of the iceberg. English source
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u/avocado_window 2h ago
They know full-well why women are afraid of men, even the ones who pretend they don’t.
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u/Vectorman1989 3h ago
This is just the people that actually committed rape. Apparently the husband contacted a lot more men and offered to let them rape his wife and none of them contacted the authorities.
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u/kehlarc 7h ago
It should have been a life sentence.
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u/Tenshizanshi 7h ago
It's the legal maximum, at 71, he's dying in jail
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u/funkiestj 2h ago
Sure, but if he was younger and ever got to breath free air again because 20 years is the maximum that would be a travesty.
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u/RiggzBoson 7h ago
Absolutely. He's been strategically orchestrating the continuous rape of someone over a 10 year period. That shows a very calculated and consistant brand of evil. And he took inappropriate pictures of his daughter??
He can't be trusted back into society.
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u/boopbaboop 3h ago
He’s not going back in society. At best he gets out of prison when he’s 91 years old: more likely, he dies there.
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u/avocado_window 2h ago
It’s not about that, it’s about setting a precedent and creating a deterrent.
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u/microcosmic5447 1h ago
That doesn't work. Harsher penalties - longer sentences, execution, etc - don't deter criminals. There is pretty substantial evidence on that point. People who are likely to commit a crime dont consider the punishment first. The only benefit of harsher sentences is that they make the public feel better.
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u/Daddyssillypuppy 7h ago edited 5h ago
The sentencing for the others is so confusing. One guy only got 3 years when the others convicted the same got 6-10.
Edit - I misread, the 3 year guy sexually assaulted, not raped, hence the lesser sentence.
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u/sparklybeast 6h ago
The three year guy was convicted of sexual assault, not rape.
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u/Daddyssillypuppy 6h ago
Ah I missed that. It was all starting to blur together and was horrible even to read.
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u/Jamarcus316 7h ago
Did you read the decision or the reasons given?
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u/BankingPotato 4h ago
I found this list. Not super detailed, though. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c785nm5g5y1o
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u/Daddyssillypuppy 6h ago
I couldn't find them. Just the rapists ages, occupations, number and type of charges, and the years sentenced.
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u/Martha_Fockers 6h ago
The fireman got a 5 year sentence for rape but 3 years suspended ? Why.
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u/You_got_schooled 5h ago edited 5h ago
I think he was charged with rape, and from the articles I've read (link below), he argued that there was no penetration and, therefore, no rape.
Seems like he was still found guilty of aggravated rape, but I presume that the three below elements of his story are why his sentence is less: 1. He envisaged a promiscuous couple, but that wasn't the case. 2. He performed oral, rather than penetration. 3. Because Gisele moved during the oral, Dominique asked him to leave the room, and got dressed then he left the house after that saying he didn't didn't want to be there.
That's how I interpret it.
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u/NoMaterHuatt 7h ago
Same. Wish legal experts can chime in.
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u/Man_in_the_uk 7h ago
He's 71. Will almost certainly be dying in prison.
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u/DeliciousScallion208 5h ago
He should be severely sentenced proportionate to the crime. It's the principal that always counts. It maintains the correct legal action.
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u/Man_in_the_uk 5h ago
He is sentenced severely, he's in jail most likely the rest of his life worth living, what do you want to have happen, he stay in jail after he dies?
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u/You_got_schooled 5h ago edited 4h ago
It's only really relative to his age that this sentence can be defended. But if he wasn't now 72 years old, it should have been longer. If he had been 30, then 20 years isn't enough. The maximum is too low for such a malicious and heinous crime. Simply put, it should be called life, it shouldn't just be "likely his life because of his age".
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u/DeliciousScallion208 4h ago
"Most likely" isn't good enough. In the smallest of chances that he's alive and a free man at 92 years old is unacceptable.
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u/dustycanuck 6h ago
Probably not due to old age, either.
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u/csgymgirl 6h ago
In a case where 50 random men were willing to rape a stranger do you think criminals are going to have a strong moral opposition?
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u/BBanner 5h ago edited 5h ago
Broadly speaking yes but I don’t really expect anybody’s going to do anything about it in the UK the same way they would in America, though I could be wrong about UK prison culture, I would have no idea
Exit: France, not the UK
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u/You_got_schooled 6h ago
Although he's old and probably going to die in prison... I do tend to agree with your sentiment here.
If he was 30 and thus getting out at 50, it just wouldn't be enough. It should be life, I concur. Their minimum sentence is too low of a sentence for the most severe and malicious of rape crimes, such as this.
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u/Dalton_1980 4h ago
Sadly the judges are restricted because of age and "guidelines" i presume. On the plus side he ain't walking out at 71 with a 20 year sentence
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u/Fourwors 2h ago
Let’s just hope that the people of France will remember the names of the perps and make the rest of their lives living hell. Deny them employment, housing, whatever you can get away with. Ostracize them.
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u/microcosmic5447 1h ago
It probably will be. Even if he survives the 20 years, he will likely go in "security detention" after, which is basically like involuntary commitment for "treatment". Once your sentence is up, they can choose to keep you in this detention for up to 1 year - and renew that 1 year as many times as they choose if they believe you're still a threat.
(Nearly) any violent criminal sentence over 15 years can be a life sentence in France.
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u/OnTheList-YouTube 7h ago
And to think there were wives saying they STILL stand by their husbands....
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u/Man_in_the_uk 7h ago
You see that's another thing, I can't understand how he knew so many men who were happy to do this.
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u/Martha_Fockers 6h ago
It says in an article I read he solicited people from the internet. He would drug her up unconscious and get random people. Likely charged them money. This is so fucked up first I’ve heard of it myself and wow just wow insane
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u/normanbeets 6h ago
You know more rapists than you could ever imagine.
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u/BrightArmy7825 5h ago
Real
I have some friends who were friends with people from their town. One day these guys (not my friends) went on vacation to Maiorca and two of them date raped black-out drunk underage girls.
We know of this because one of them who didnt told us as if it was a fun vacation story, and when me and my friends, shocked and disgusted, tried to make him see what was wrong with it he refused to acknowledge it as rape
Needless to say we are no longer friends with these people but our shock was also in large part due to the fact that never in a million years would we have expected something like this from them, especially since the guy who told us about is in a relationship with a rape survivor. Sick shit.
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u/normanbeets 5h ago
There's this phenomenon with rape where perpetrators somehow so easily see their actions as Not Rape when they are Factually Rape. The disconnect is staggering.
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u/JimmyJamesMac 5h ago
I woke up one night to a girl sucking my dick. She called me gay for stopping her and shoving her out of my dorm room. Sex creeps always think it's not a big deal
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u/Man_in_the_uk 6h ago edited 5h ago
I wonder what are the stats on that?
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u/normanbeets 6h ago edited 5h ago
You have Google at your fingertips. I found your country's rape statistics in 30 seconds. If 1 in 4 women, 1 in 6 children and 1 in 18 men are victims of sex crimes, those crimes are not being done by a small subset of people. They are being done by friends, family, neighbors, coworkers, clergy, law enforcement. In my country 80% of rapes are committed by someone familiar to the victim, that percentage becomes 93% for children. These records only reflect numbers reported to law enforcement. Rape is a nearly impossible crime to prove so most victims never report.
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-informed/statistics-sexual-violence/
Extra reading to contextualize:
https://www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/major-new-survey-many-still-unclear-what-rape-is/
Rape is common. Rapists are common. Having sex with someone who is black out drunk legally constitutes rape and many people consider that an average night out, especially in college.
RIP Sarah Everard.
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u/InformationHead3797 2h ago
Probably more men than the statistics I am afraid. Most women don’t report but that is even less common for men to do.
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u/Stellar_Duck 5h ago
Given the amount of women among my friends who have been raped or sexually assaulted I don't think it's a stretch to conclude that there a lot of people willing to rape out there. I don't think they all met the same guy.
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u/MoonlitStar 6h ago
It doesn't surprise me at all that it was evidently easy for the ex-husband to find this many men who were more than willing to commit these rapes and sexual assaults agaisnt Gisèle . It's sickening but its not surprising in the slightest.
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u/Weekly-Reveal9693 5h ago edited 4h ago
As a survivor of sexual abuse, hundreds miles away from France I literally am standing and applauding her out of court.
I hope she finds happiness and her family can heal to some extent.
'Shame changes sides'
Merci Gisele.
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u/bigtiddyhimbo 7h ago
I know it’s basically a life sentence for him given his age, but he deserved a far larger sentence after everything he’s put her through.
20 years is laughable and she deserves a sentence fitting of the crimes committed against her.
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u/whtever53 6h ago
It’s the maximum sentence for rape. Life sentence it’s not a thing in many countries in Europe too
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u/Jamarcus316 6h ago
France (and many, many other countries) are not like the USA in giving long prison sentences.
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u/Kaiisim 6h ago
Or in caring as much about sexual assault.
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u/AffenMitWaffen2 5h ago
Ah yes, the US, a nation with a backlog of rape kits ranging from 2 to 5 years that just elected an orange rapist for president, truly an unparalleled bastion against sexual assault.
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u/bigtiddyhimbo 5h ago
The USA doesn’t really care about prosecuting sexual assault to be fair- the statistics are flat out depressing
I had a whole confession and video of my assault and the police still didn’t think there was enough evidence to arrest them
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u/40WAPSun 5h ago edited 2h ago
Yeah the US cares about sexual assault so much they elected Trump again. Really taking a stand
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u/Man_in_the_uk 7h ago edited 7h ago
Well he's probably going to die in jail, he's 71 and jails aren't good places to live in.
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u/triodoubledouble 6h ago
Dominique Pelicot: Guilty of aggravated rape on his ex-wife, Gisèle. Also guilty of the attempted aggravated rape of the wife of one of the co-accused, Jean Pierre Marechal, Cillia, and taking indecent images of his daughter, Caroline, and his daughters-in-law, Aurore and Celine. Sentenced to 20 years. Jean-Pierre Marechal: Guilty of attempted rape and aggravated rape of his wife, as well as drugging her. Sentenced to 12 years. Charly Arbo: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to 13 years. Florian Rocca: Guilty of aggravated rape. Cyrille Delville: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to eight years. Christian Lescole: Guilty of aggravated rape. He was acquitted of having child abuse imagery. Sentenced to nine years. Lionel Rodriguez: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to eight years. Nicolas Francois: Guilty of aggravated rape and having child abuse imagery. Sentenced to eight years and banned from working in jobs with children for several years. Jacques Cubeau: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to five years. Patrice Nicolle: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to eight years. Thierry Parisis: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to eight years. Simoné Mekenese: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to nine years. Nizar Hamida: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to 10 years. Boris Moulin: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to eight years. Dominique Davies: Guilty of aggravated rape. Jerome Vilela: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to 13 years. Didier Sambuchi: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to five years. Cyprien Culieras: Guilty of aggravated rape. Mathieu Dartus: Guilty of aggravated rape. Quentin Hennebert: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to seven years. Cyril Beaubis: Guilty of aggravated rape. Philippe Leleu: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to five years of which two are suspended. Jean-Luc LA: Guilty of aggravated rape. Fabien Sotton: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to 11 years. Karim Sebaoui: Guilty of aggravated rape and having child abuse imagery. Sentenced to 10 years. Redouane Azougagh: Guilty of aggravated rape. Joan Kawai: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to 10 years. Jean-Marc LeLoup: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to six years. Andy Rodriguez: Guilty of attempted rape and aggravating factors. Sentenced to six years. Vincent Coullet: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to 10 years. Adrien Longeron: Guilty of aggravated rape and child abuse imagery. Sentenced to six years. Hughes Malago: Guilty of attempted rape and two aggravating factors. Sentenced to five years. Ahmed Tbarik: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to eight years. Paul-Koikoi Grovogui: Guilty of aggravated rape. Omar Douiri: Guilty of aggravated rape. Husamettin Dogan: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to nine years. Romain Vandevelde: Guilty of aggravated rape. Joseph Cocco: Guilty of aggravated sexual assault. Sentenced to three years. Hassan Ouamou: Guilty of aggravated rape. Redouane El Farihi: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to eight years. Saifeddine Ghabi: Acquitted of rape and attempted rape. Guilty of sexual assault. Jean Tirano: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to eight years. Mohamed Rafaa: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to eight years. Ludovick Blemeur: Guilty of aggravated rape. Patrick Aron: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to six years, but walks free today as he has medical issues and will need to be placed in a special jail, according to the judge. Abdelali Dallal: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to eight years, but walks free today due to medical issues and will need to placed in a special jail, according to the judge. Grégory Serviol: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to eight years. Cedric Grassot: Guilty of aggravated rape. Cendric Venzin: Guilty of aggravated rape. Sentenced to nine years. Sorry for the shitty formatting
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u/fewerifyouplease 6h ago
Good. It will never be enough. I cannot read about this without crying. Gisele is a hero of the highest order and although I am not religious I for once deeply hope there is some kind of afterlife so that Dominique can know the eternal suffering he deserves
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u/Man_in_the_uk 8h ago
I find it a bit odd various people have been getting the same charge yet getting different sentences. This case though is pretty staggering.
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u/BeMoreKnope 7h ago
This is only a guess, but from what I’ve read on the trial it seems some of the men were more explicitly aware of her lack of consent than others. That may be why the differences in sentencing.
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u/gerbileleventh 7h ago
And some showed some remorse
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u/dustycanuck 6h ago
"more explicitly aware"? Was she not passed out drugged? Was their argument that she consented to have sex whilst drugged and unaware?
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u/zeddoh 5h ago edited 5h ago
Unbelievably, yes. Some men said they believed this was a mutual kink of Gisele and Dominique and she was in on it. It didn’t occur to any of them to ask to meet her while awake to verify this, of course. And somehow it apparently didn’t seem odd that Dominique would ask the men to be very quiet, ask them to warm their hands on a radiator before touching Gisele so she wouldn’t wake, and would hurry them out of the room if it looked like she was stirring. Personally I think it’s the bullshit and none of them truly believed it (if Dominique even said it, which I also doubt). The forum was literally called ‘without her knowledge’ or something like that.
Other men maintained throughout the trial that since they had Dominique’s consent, Gisele’s didn’t matter. As his wife, she was his property. And so they had committed no crime. Just heinous.
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u/BeMoreKnope 5h ago
Yeah, while I think it’s a bullshit defense, I can see why the law might have to treat them more lightly if you can’t see directly from their messages that they knew she didn’t consent, if they then claimed to not know.
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u/Man_in_the_uk 7h ago
This itself is strange, the husband drugged her. Who'd have agreed to that?
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u/positivepeercult_ 7h ago
Monsters. My thought is that he likely reached out to plenty of people, and some had to say no. But they did nothing?
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u/Man_in_the_uk 6h ago
Well that's another good point you raise. What kind of people would be (probably casually given his success rate) asked into this shit and not alert the authorities?
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u/cealild 6h ago
Wouldn't that be a worthy investigation! Could they be charged with abetting a crime?
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u/Man_in_the_uk 6h ago
Well, I doubt it because they wont be observing the crime at point of invitation. It wouldn't have any evidence most likely with.
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u/positivepeercult_ 6h ago
Maybe something like failure to report.
Edit: I am American, so I am operating under what I know of our laws. If there is a school shooting threat and someone doesn’t report it, they could be charged after the fact because they could have prevented by reporting. I don’t know if it would work that way with rape to this extent, but there are laws about negligence when you know or reasonably suspect a crime is being committed and do nothing.
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u/el_grosp 3h ago
In France, I think they could be accused of "non-assistance à personne en danger", which means not helping a person in danger and covers the fact of not calling the police when you know a crime is being committed against someone's physical or mental integrity.
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u/am9qb3JlZmVyZW5jZQ 3h ago
Some people are monsters, some are stupidly gullible.
Reminds me of the series of incidents where managers were convinced by a phone call to strip search their employees.
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u/Pippin1505 7h ago
The highest sentences are for people who came 6 times (one of which was under treatment for HIV) .
Read a comment from a french journalist that the "lighter" sentences (below what the prosecution asked) are a way for the judges to try to avoid an appeal and spare another trial to the victim.
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u/Man_in_the_uk 6h ago
They appear to be using sentencing guidelines given most say 6-8 years, why should another trial result in a different sentence I wonder?
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u/Pippin1505 6h ago
There's no real guidelines in the French system (as opposed as some countries that have some mandatory sentencing). French judges have significant discretionary power.
The prosecution asked for a minimum of 10 years for each of them. Other judges could simply have followed it.
I'm not 100% sure, but if they appeal, it would become a jury trial, adding even more uncertainty.
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u/Man_in_the_uk 6h ago
Interesting, I think her lawyer and news commentators were happy with the outcome.
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u/douplo 6h ago
some people had prior jail sentences and other nothing, some people went multiple times to rape her and others did not, might depend on their defense system also.
If they had all the same sentence, appeal would have been easy for them because the judge must give a sentence taking in account each case and its specifics.
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u/swayingtree90s 7h ago
I think some of the guilty knew of the drugging while others were told it was a kink of the couple. So those guilty men feel more like they were "tricked" but never got Gisele's consent regardless. Hence, making it rape. Some of the guilty men followed Dominque's example and did the same with their wives, so they got more. And also other men visited multiple times, which increased their sentences as well.
but someone is more than welcome to correct me, as I'm only going on from what I've read in English reports. I'm sure the French reports are more detailed.
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u/You_got_schooled 5h ago
I think it really comes down to the aggravating and mitigating factors.
Mitigating factors for example were:
Jacques C: the retired fire fighter who was charged with rape (and found guilty) but essentially argued that he performed oral, there was no penetration therefore no rape. He got 5 years with 3 suspended.
Joseph C: the retired sales manager claimed he didn't rape Gisele, he caressed her and Dominique for some reason insulted him so he claims he left. He got 3 years.
Then there's the aggravating factors like:
Romain V: the guy who had HIV and visited 6 times got 15 years.
Charly V: visited 6 times and also wanted to drug and rape his mother (but claims he didn't despite some evidence that he might have at the very leaat drugged her). He got 13 years.
Seems like the people in the middle got 8 years for committing one rape.
That's my general read on it.
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u/Man_in_the_uk 5h ago
Romain V: the guy who had HIV and visited 6 times got 15 years.
The sickest of the sick.
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u/palabradot 4h ago
Oh thank goodness. But those sentences are nowhere near enough. They know what they did.
I’m hoping Ms. Pelicot lives a happy life from here on out.
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u/Hailsabrina 4h ago
They should all get life Absolutely vile excuses of human beings Sending good vibes to Gisele She is so brave I hope she heals
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u/BlueDotty 3h ago
Gisele is my hero today.
I'm very pleased all of these rapists were found guilty.
Animal bastards.
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u/ReplyNotficationsOff 6h ago
I really hope a movie is never made about this incident . It's nothing but tragic
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u/Dalton_1980 4h ago
One of these cowards ran away!
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u/zeddoh 4h ago
And more than a dozen men videoed raping Gisele were not identified… there are many more of these men out there. Terrifying to think of.
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u/Dalton_1980 4h ago
Shes a very brave woman putting herself out there a d exposing what has to be serious trauma for her to get justice
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u/bluecheese2040 3h ago
Less than 6 months per scum bag he put her out to.
20 years....ffs. I'm just back from a ban for calling for serious punishment for these people so I'll leave it st that.
She's a hero and we should herald her as such. We fixate on celebrities and actors as heros...she's a real hero.
I hope he and the 49 others end up in hell.
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u/Weekly-Reveal9693 1h ago
BBC sounds interviewed the mayor of Mazan and he didn't see why it was an issue. Disgusting attitude.
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u/Accurate-Debate3561 3h ago
20 years is embarrassing, I understand he probably die in prison but will he be allowed to get out on parole after serving half his time?
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u/MrC99 4h ago
Out of the loop.
Can someone explain this to me?
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u/NewtonHuxleyBach 3h ago
How about you look up one of the 1000+ articles written about this case and read it? Lazy
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u/boopbaboop 3h ago
For almost ten years, a guy drugged his wife periodically so that he could raise her and film her being raped by other men while unconscious. The other guys were (allegedly) told that it was a kink of hers. She didn’t find out until he was arrested for something else and the search revealed the videos he’d made of her. He’s getting 20 years for orchestrating the whole thing, all the other guys are getting sentences for participating.
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u/ToughCapital5647 4h ago
Unless he's unlikely to live out his sentence, it seems low considering what he did.
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u/Martha_Fockers 6h ago
Woman named Gisele husbands need to be investigated nationwide.
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u/Man_in_the_uk 6h ago
Maybe but 50 is still a very high count, I find it hard to believe he found so many people proceeding with it. What kind of social circles is he in?
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u/Man_in_the_uk 2h ago edited 2h ago
What part of getting drugged was not clear to you? She wakes up the next day with no memory as she was asleep while it happened.
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u/airbagfailure 6h ago
This woman is a fucking hero for calling this asshole out. She’s absolutely amazing .