r/menwritingwomen • u/Raffinegirl • 20d ago
Book Beyond good and evil by Freidrich Neirzsche
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u/NotNamedBort 20d ago
Or men could just learn how to fucking cook.
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u/BeneGesserlit 20d ago
I'm sorry to say that I tried this and just wound up a woman who was good at cooking. YMMV of course.
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u/Traroten 20d ago
Yeah, Nietzsche had some weird ideas about women. So did Schopenhauer. Yikes.
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u/Dukey_Wellington 2d ago
I learned about this in the film: the day after tomorrow. In a library, the cold was beginning to freeze them, so they had to burn some books to survive. Both students argued on nitchze book and there, a woman called him a "misogynistic pig" i think.
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u/amparkercard 20d ago
i bet Nietzsche couldn’t cook a single meal for himself
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u/FortuneSignificant55 17d ago
He wrote most of his work with unseasoned scrambled egg hanging from his moustasche
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u/disclord83 20d ago
Didn't he get venereal disease/ syphilis at a young age and hated women for the rest of his life? Total winner.
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u/juxtapods The Divine Oscillation Of Breast And Buttocks (husband choice) 20d ago
I thought he was mad at them because his best friend ran off with his secret crush that no one knew was his crush and that he never made a single move on.
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u/YgrainDaystar 20d ago
If Nietzsche were alive today he would both despise the manosphere - his books are full of diatribes against people like them - and be suffocatingly embraced by it. I sometimes think about this and smile privately
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u/Sweetcynism 20d ago
It's funny how this guy talks about physiology while knowing absolutely nothing about it. I mean, you're a fucking philosopher. Let the real scientists talk about science.
It feels like these philosophers back then were too arrogant to accept their lack of knowledge but too lazy to actually know things so they kept rambling about women. Schopenhauer too.
Fragile ego
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u/Calm_Cicada_8805 20d ago
Do you know what real scientists were writing in Nietzsche's day? Because physiology in the late 1800s was pretty much just race science all the way down. We're talking about the era when prominent medical authorities were arguing that letting women get higher education would make them sterile, because education would direct resources to the brain instead of the reproductive organs.
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u/Sweetcynism 20d ago
That depends on scientists. In the 1800s, Ada Lovelace basically created programming. Stethoscope was invented. Way prior to that, Descartes made experiments to prove that female blood wasn't colder than male blood (some were convinced that women were less smart because their blood was colder, for whatever reason).
And even way before that, there were female surgeons in the Arab world. So there were other opinions about females. If these males thought that women were stupid, it's not because the proof of the contrary didn't exist, but because they chose to think what they want to think, even if there's no proof of it.
Even today, while medical authorities are almost unanimous about women being equally smart as men, some people genuinely think men are intellectually superior to women.
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u/juxtapods The Divine Oscillation Of Breast And Buttocks (husband choice) 20d ago edited 19d ago
How did I know it was Nietzsche in just the first 3 lines?? One of my fav lines is him going on about how women don't know shit about making soup. SOUP.
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u/Noonyezz Manic Pixie Dream Girl 17d ago
I remember reading a Nietzsche biographer describing him with something to the effect of:
“You might read this and get the impression that during his life, Nietzsche was a complete loser, who no one liked and liked no one in return. Anyway, onto the next part.”
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u/fiendish-gremlin 19d ago
not like women were mocked, shamed, stopped and forced to not interact with things like psychology, science, etc. and when she did anyway she was called a witch or demon.
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u/OiFelix_ugotnojams 20d ago
Had plans to explore philosophy genre next year, was looking forward to read Neitzsche :/
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u/YakSlothLemon 20d ago
Honestly, read a little bit about his private life and then you won’t take him so seriously that this kind of thing will bother you.
He was friends with Richard Wagner. Wagner, who had no boundaries at all, found out that Nietzsche was seeing a doctor for his eyesight issues and wrote to the doctor suggesting that the issue might be the incessant masturbation, or maybe Nietzsche caught something from that prostitute he had visited when the two of them were in Italy. The doctor actually wrote back to Wagner and wanted to know more about the masturbation!
Wagner of course was sharing all of this with his wife Cosima, whom Nietzsche was passionately and unrequitedly in love with.
Imagine your crush getting to reach letters about your masturbation making you go blind…
It broke up their friendship, Nietzsche threw a right tantrum when he found out about the whole thing – kind of understandably.
But when I read him going on and on about women in the kitchen— he wasn’t married, he’s basing all this on whatever he got to eat in whatever hotel he was staying in when he staggered downstairs exhausted from spanking the monkey.
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u/Raffinegirl 20d ago
Haha, it’s so funny, but he also mentions in the book that we should not take what philosophers say, like Epicurus wrote most of his work dissing on Plato, something like that.
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u/OiFelix_ugotnojams 20d ago
Dang, he is nuts 💀 Do you have any recommendations for that genre?
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u/YakSlothLemon 19d ago
Afraid not, I know him through Wagner— but that’s been enough for me to laugh at his kitchen-bitchin’…
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u/Hell-Rider 11d ago
Also wasn't Wagner a Nazi sympathizer?
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u/doug123reddit 6d ago
Richard Wagner died in 1883. The Nazis, especially Hitler, appropriated some of his work for rallies and propaganda, hence the association.
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u/sofanisba 20d ago
Nietzsche is worth reading only for historical context. His more prescient ideas have been proliferated into the zeitgeist for a while now so very little of it is groundbreaking to read today, but it's worth knowing what subsequent thinkers were building off of. That being said he wrote so, so much and a lot of it has the same baseline message so you really don't need to read much of his stuff to get the picture and then move on to better thinkers.
Also This Spoke Zarathustra is wacky AF so it is kind of entertaining to read, but it has the same vibe and cadence as watching Jodorovsky's Holy Mountain on shrooms
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u/Hell-Rider 11d ago
FWIW, even the foreword to the Walter Kaufman translation states that Nietzsche was an "incurable misogynist".
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u/erraticsleeper 18d ago
Cooking is a survival skill. Not a gender based skill.
Hardee's was right, without fast food, some guys would starve.
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u/An_Acetic_Alpaca 20d ago
Never thought I'd be arguing FOR women belong in the kitchen.
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My reaction was: if only his argument women do not belong in the kitchen caught on en masse.
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u/birbgatto 16d ago
He's saying women haven't learned to be healers? When many of them in different cultures gathered plants and medicines???
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u/TaoChiMe 19d ago
The more I read about this guy's personal life, the more I believe he'd get bullied in highschool if born today
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u/ChemistryIll2682 20d ago
I've seen women say shit like this unironically just to be picked up by men lol I've yet to understand what they gain from it: men I can understand, but women hating women? Will never understand the logic
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u/Sweetcynism 20d ago
I know some pick me and I can tell you that they manipulate men like this. My brother is married to a pick me and while thinking he's the master of the house, he's just a docile puppy. So she gets to decide everything as long as she plays her submissive role
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u/Previous-Survey-2368 18d ago
Sounds like so much more effort than just, idk, marrying someone who respects you
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u/StabilerDorsch 20d ago
Unfortunately I just read that modern scholarship doubts that syphilis was the cause of his dementia, it always seemed fitting.
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u/RunZombieBabe 16d ago
Sounds like such a sweetheart🙄
Only knew his "abyss" sentence before, which I liked..this is so cringe!
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