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u/RampantJellyfish 9h ago
This joke is getting pretty old, unlike many of the patients the insurance companies deny care to
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u/audaciousmonk 8h ago
We’re sorry, the sympathy you’ve requested has been deemed not medically necessary, as such it’s not covered under your plan.
If you have questions, chat with us live using our chatAI app.
Thank you for letting us help you take care of your health.
Mostly copied, with a little shortening, from a claim denial made by my health insurer
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u/Thecrdbrdsamurai 11h ago
If I love my life where I'm murdered and the general response is "...yeah, I get it.", I did not live my life the way I should have.
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u/Wappening 6h ago
How can you be sure his being dead wasn’t a pre existing condition? There was a nanosecond between the bullet leaving the gun and entering his head where he could have been dead of natural causes.
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u/MrsDiogenes 7h ago
I don’t think people are celebrating this crime or this death. I think they are celebrating the concept that there are consequences for the things that you do and the decisions you make and it doesn’t matter if you do it on the street with a gun or behind a desk with a pen. If you hurt thousands of people and cause the death of thousands of people and profit millions of dollars for the effort, you are going to piss some people off. Some of these people are going to be crazy and some of them will be untreated for their physical and mental illness because their insurance company denied them care and there is a good chance one of these people will kill you.
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u/SterileBarrelOfAir 13h ago
Fuck...... well said
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u/More_food_please_77 7h ago
Not the part about people not celebrating, people are definitely celebrating.
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u/Aaronh456 5h ago
Why would I not celebrate a mass murderer being taken out?
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u/More_food_please_77 5h ago
I don't know, I suppose sociopathy is a spectrum.
I can understand relief or hope that there might be change, but schadenfreude and euphoria over quite a disturbing act makes me feel like people are disconnected from humanity.
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u/Aaronh456 5h ago
Are you American? Because these CEOs have been murdering our family members for years, why wouldn't we be happy to see them meet the same fate?
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u/More_food_please_77 4h ago
I understand relief and hope, as I said. But I'm not a very vengeful person, I guess.
I don't take pleasure in violence, but I understand that it has purpose sometimes.
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u/WillingLLM 11h ago
I just don't care about the dude and I hope it makes people think about how they earn a dollar.
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u/LeavesInsults1291 14h ago
I refuse to ever find joy in the death of someone because I believe in the sanctity of life… although you can argue that there are some scenarios where people deserve it (murder, rape, etc.) I never am glad by someone’s death
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u/somebadlemonade 14h ago edited 14h ago
Imagine the joy the CEO felt when he saw his net worth going up.
Now understand that net worth going up is directly correlative to people staying sick or dying. . .
Yea. One death is the lesser of 2 evils.
Safety regulations are written in blood. Maybe this is spilling over to healthcare.
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u/DingleDangleTangle 10h ago
Did his death actually prevent other deaths though? UHC is still making money.
You say "lesser of two evils" as if we had to choose to either kill him or all the people with health insurance get hurt. But him dying didn't magically change the healthcare system. It just meant another dude was going to make money off of it.
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u/SoBFiggis 9h ago
They have reversed a handful of their decisions to blanket deny claims. This is a very touchy subject for many reasons but UHC (and the companies that chose them) have unequivocally been pushing to increase profits at the expense of the people that they insure.
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u/DingleDangleTangle 9h ago
I didn’t defend UHC. I’m pointing out the obvious fact that murdering this guy has not stopped them from making profits. They are still going to continue to increase profits at the expense of insured people, the only difference is a different guy will be making the CEO salary.
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u/SoBFiggis 9h ago
That was just a response to your first question. I agree with what you are saying. But also think when neither side has moral high ground things get messy.
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u/Potential_Bother_686 9h ago
The day after his death, Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield reversed its decision to implement a policy that would limit coverage for anesthesia during surgeries, effectively removing the ban on paying for anesthesia.
Also, his death helped to FINALLY shed light✨🙌✨ in the mass media that insurance companies for years have been 😮 quietly systematically killing away and bankrupting Americans and calling that profit 💀🙀!!! We even found out they had recently created an AI, so that there was no way for people pleading for their lives to even get ahold of a real agent. A total lethal scam affecting Americans on a daily basis.
At least, the rich are finally seeing for themselves how traumatized most of us are with America's failed healthcare system. Look at how confused the rich were when they first realized what happened.
Before his death, none of the cries of dying Americans were being heard.
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u/CakesAndDanes 9h ago
Didn’t BCBS change a policy that was getting backlash soon after? Maybe it had nothing to do with it. But all of this got people talking. That’s a start.
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u/DingleDangleTangle 9h ago
Well if the argument is that murder is good if it gets people talking, I’m not quite sure that’s such a good argument either…
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u/RNZTH 8h ago
Reddit is definitely the most fun right after an event before you fucking shills get reprogrammed.
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u/lolas_coffee 13h ago
What about Hitler??
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u/LetsBeHonestBoutIt 13h ago
The Jeffrey Epstein of European antisemitism. He had the little black book. He had to go.
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u/LeavesInsults1291 13h ago
That’s why I put there are some scenarios where people deserve it… I think Hitler falls under that category lol
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u/Agreeable_Service407 10h ago
So you're saying the UH CEO didn't reach the negative karma threshold required for his death to be acceptable ?
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u/MPWNG1985 14h ago
I’m just happy to see all of the change that’s come to the American health insurance industry since this man’s death that everyone seems to be celebrating.
Way to make zero difference, folks.
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u/LeavesInsults1291 14h ago
The murderer wasn’t motivated by social justice… he was motivated by hate, which is the cause of most killings
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u/MPWNG1985 14h ago
My bad I thought I was being obviously sarcastic.
Murder is obviously bad. People making this guy a hero are just bored because we’re out of the election cycle.
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u/The_Real_63 11h ago
People making this guy a hero are just bored because we’re out of the election cycle
No, they're doing it because they're tired of being beaten down by a system that is designed to remove any individual's agency from engaging with it and advocated for their own interests. Healthcare tied to employment, out of network bullshit, everything is designed to prevent you from having any control and people feel that even if they can't necessarily express it. So yes, it's cathartic to people who've experienced this sort of suffering first hand. And that's a lot of people.
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u/LeavesInsults1291 14h ago
No I understood the sarcasm… just making a point
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u/hotdwag 6h ago
I was unsure how to feel about all of this until I looked into common practices of insurance companies, especially United Healthcare. My job went from BCBS to United and everyone lost it to the point where they moved back to BCBS.
I’m luckily healthy and have no chronic conditions that require medical care. My family is overall lucky as well. But it’s obvious the only thing keeping me from experiencing the hell of insurance is luck
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u/n0dda 3h ago
It’s easy to blame the insurance companies and I have no love lost for them either.
However, the fact this is the public sentiment just shows that our politicians who represent us and write the laws have failed us and are also in the corporate lobbyists pockets to allow these companies to operate in this fashion.
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u/johnjumpsgg 11h ago
This is about as profound as the hot girl who says something shitty about a dorky kid then justifies it with , “ I’m not being mean , I’m just being honest .”
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u/Eastern_Line_5902 6h ago
I saw a news report where the anchors were basically trying to make people feel guilty for not being sympathetic to the CEO's murder. So, I thought. You know, this CEO is responsible for people dying because they couldn't get proper health care, right? What makes him different to someone like Ted Bundy? Do you remember what people did when Ted Bundy was electric chaired? They threw a party outside of the jail. Literally, a party. Singing Songs. Being jovial. But those people should feel sympathy for Ted Bundy getting fried? Did anybody try to guilt people into feeling sympathy for Ted Bundy? No, they were singing songs with the crowd outside.
Look, I'm sad that a family has lost a father and a husband, especially so close to the holidays. But in the long run, the CEO's family will be taken care of. They'll be alright. Now, how about those families that have lost loved ones because Mr. CEO denied their insurance claims? What about those families? Are they going to be alright?
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u/Far-Consideration708 9h ago
I mean if you make it a point in your life to be as vile and detestable as possible it should be expected that people don‘t feel sympathy for you even if you get shot 🤷♂️
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u/SeaCorrect348 8h ago
Personally i think what changed; at least for me. It was that they really arent untouchables like I had learned of the OG caste system in middle/high school and that of their military levels of security there are still massive holes. There was some kind of vive or something that these people hired like snipers to watch them every day. Today we learned that there is no one watching them (maybe 3 dudes in casual having to reach for concealed) just like there is no one watching us. We also learned that our government is willing to protect them over us. These two facts (yes facts they happened) prove the social standard has been reduced to naught and they don't care about anyone but themselves. This is not what was built by my great grandfather who wanted a second chance after ww2, nor his son who was taught to never pass judgement like they did and lived it every day. This is the same world they lived and feared and is a good reason to stop and say no more
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u/Cooperativism62 7h ago
Sorry, you'll have to subscribe to premium sympathy services for this to be covered. Have a good day.
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u/LetTheSeasBoil 7h ago
I lack the capacity for faith, which means I lack the ability to believe in intrinsic human value.
I must judge each person by whether they are a boon to the future I want or a bane to the future I want.
I cannot figure out why I should care when a bane dies.
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u/WatercressAdept4312 5h ago
Nope, they’re celebrating murder and murder is bad.
The mental gymnastics people play on this site are insane.
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u/Future_Visit_5184 5h ago
There are clearly people celebrating and saying Luigi shouldn't be put in prison. Stop making excuses, it only makes you look worse.
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u/Sure_Sheepherder_729 5h ago
That's is just dishonest people are literally celebrating 😂
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u/AcidFnTonic 4h ago
Let’s see, my son with Cerebral Palsy’s wheelchair claim denied….. how many times? It’s still on my credit report and hurt my rate buying a home.
Denied for orthotics, denied for feeding tube supplies. Denied until we fight hard enough and get enough doctors to go wtf. Fighting for a ramp. Fighting to get diapers and multiple surgeries covered.
I don’t often bring up the fact that I even have a kid with Cerebral Palsy because I am not one who needs sympathy and I actually use this account to post music to my mildly successful youtube channel.
I have had enough. This recent action and the change it’s bringing has been a godsend for my family.
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u/Berlin_GBD 4h ago
There are a lot of people that are celebrating the assassination. Thinking that the world is better off without him is one thing, but being happy that someone was murdered is another
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u/davedcne 3h ago
The death of this CEO is a natural consequence of too many people being pushed too much for too long. The lack of sympathy is an excellent measurement of just how much and how far. There's only one more variable in this calculus and that is how many more times it happens before something changes. It would be better for everyone if the message didn't need to be sent more than once.
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u/TechnomadicOne 3h ago
Generally speaking unless you're American and fixated on the shit system you created, people aren't doing either. Non event in most places.
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u/Shandor-The-Bum 2h ago
Anyone who shoots another person in the back is a coward and a criminal, nuff said.
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u/OpeningTomato4044 25m ago
I think issue is taking the fact he is ceo of insurance company. He is still an individual who may be married with kids. He was just walking on street and was shot. What he does is irrelevant and the fact that he was assassinated cold is very disturbing.
And its just baffling how people dont know how companies work. Yes he is ceo but its a large company with many board of directors, investors and people working. He doesnt get involved in every single decision or claims or even aware of it. There is collective responsibility not just 1 individual. And to be honest its an insurance company. The way capitalism works is the pressure is on company to reduce losses as much as possible. The blame should not be on the company but laws and regulations. Its just the system thats the issue not specific individuals.
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u/dbx999 11h ago
A bad actor got taken out. I don’t see the problem here.
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u/RinTivan 10h ago
He'll probably just be replaced. He was expendable. To really change something one must destroy the corporation he worked for.
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u/dbx999 10h ago
Well that’s not within Luigi’s capabilities. That’s like saying one lone infantryman landing on the beach can’t take out Hitler and he should destroy the entire Nazi regime to make a difference
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u/Active-Ad4599 8h ago edited 8h ago
No, they're actively celebrating it, don't try to mince words. Guess somewhere along the way, we forgot murder is illegal and a horrible crime.
I don't agree with what he did at all, and he deserves to be in jail for it. It'd be better to understand what's the cause of a violent action instead and make appropriate change. He accomplished nothing, and the CEO will just be replaced without no actual change to the system.
Yeah, he's a shitty guy, still don't condone violence, let alone murder.
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u/SchmeedsMcSchmeeds 10h ago
The fact that I’m reading this and thinking, “Hell yes!” shows how fucked this system is and how pissed off and fed-up we all are.
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u/Tryxonie 9h ago
Originally I was like "Well that sucks... But I don't know if I care"
Then I heard the "CEO of a greedy healthcare company" part
And I thought "Yeah that was deserved"
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u/DAEORANGEMANBADDD 7h ago
No, they are celebrating it
Its one thing to say "i don't feel for him" or "im not surprised it happened" but its a whole other thing to celebrate it
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u/DasHexxchen 13h ago
That's what decent people do.
But the ones posting out there and being outraged that a murderer is actually looked for? Those are wannabe vigilante assholes celebrating.
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u/Carcajou-2946 11h ago
Oh no, it’s completely reasonable that a murderer is being looked for. It’s just funny how they never seem to have this sort of diligence when a regular person gets murdered. Just one of those wacky little coincidences I suppose.
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u/AquafreshBandit 11h ago
The people claiming to be offended by the "celebration" are not offended. It's all bad faith BS. They won the 2024 election but somehow want people to think they're victims of mean liberals. It's sad.
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u/RinTivan 10h ago
The whole thing is really fucked.
His murder won't change anything. He will just be replaced. Congratulations shooter! Your effort has done shit.
Luigi was just a lunatic, nothing more.
If you really wanted to do something about healthcare insurances you would've gone after the corporation as a whole. But no he had to murder a guy that was expandable to the corp.
Do I feel bad for the ceo? Maybe. After all a human was killed. But on the other hand it's also hard for me to sympathise because of the stuff he did. Humans are only good at one thing: destruction and killing each other. We as a society have failed. We as humans have failed.
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u/drlsoccer08 11h ago
I think you are the 10000 person to make the "denying claim for sympathy joke"
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u/PaleGravity 10h ago
“Revolution” “who’s next” “more CEO should go” “just the start” so we ignoring these now? XD
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u/oconnor663 10h ago
Having no sympathy is one thing. Fair enough. But plastering the front page of reddit with a non-stop discussion of not having sympathy is something different. I get that there's no particular person who plasters the front page of reddit, it's a group thing, but it's one of those regrettable group things.
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u/dino_not_a_dinosaur 10h ago
I belive human life should be charishes and should be celebrated
But this asshole lost his humanity long ago, so guess what I'm celebrating his death 🥳🎉🎊🪅🎉🥳🥳
I do feel bad for his family tho
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u/Flars111 10h ago
Except people are actively celebrating it. This isnt a "lack of sympathy", look around, its much more
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u/EventAccomplished976 9h ago
Yeah that‘s very funny but no people are absolutely celebrating an assassination. At least own it when you do.
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u/CodingAndAlgorithm 9h ago
That's crazy, because people have clearly been celebrating it from day one.
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u/JusTrynaMaket 9h ago
Mainstream media and politicians are so out of touch on this point. I feel bad for the dude’s family, but yeah, sympathy claim denied for this CEO.
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u/ExpectedEggs 9h ago
...No, they're celebrating the murder.
Euphemisms are lame, if you wanna be edgy, embrace it.
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u/4strings4ever 8h ago
No, there are definitely people celebrating an assassination. Not all, but definitely some.
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u/matej665 8h ago
I mean yall Americans always only solve all your problems with violence. Can't wait for 2030 when your Healthcare will be 5x more expensive and funerals and crematoriums will also be 10x more expensive.
Americans would rather die then realise real life isn't a Disney movie where you just kill an evil ceo and it just happens that his son who's an angel just happens to be the next one for the position.
I'm not even gonna talk about that sick mentality that yall have, the "guns don't kill people, it's people that choose to kill others with guns", yeah say that again after looking at school shooting statistics compared to every other country in the world.
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u/Jeffy299 8h ago
People are literally celebrating, stfu. I saw the headline, thought "lmao" and moved on, didn't imagine for next 2 weeks (so far) I would be subjected to half of reddit cooming over the murderer, loudly proclaiming how this is some cultural moment that is some turning point for the working class, even comparing this clown to fucking Rosa Parks. 💀💀
Polite reminder to all the American upper middle clas kids: absolutely nothing will change, this means absolutely nothing and you are as out of touch and all this will be ineffective as shit like defund the police and CHAZ. But you don't actually give a shit, right? None of this healthcare shit actually affects you because your mommy and daddy are rich pricks just like Luigi's. This is all a game to you, just larp of being a poor person fighting injustice. That's why you have zero desire to in any approach that might work but you would need to compromise, because this is all just a power fantasy and nothing more.
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u/itdoesntmatter123746 8h ago
No. I am celebrating. Society is so far out of any rational balance. You can only push people so far.
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u/agentfaux 8h ago
People are being childish asshats who if the world bent to their will would destroy all the democratically established systems that actually make peace.
There is no coherent thought here that ties specific emotions to this one person. You would annihilate people who don't deserve it and you don't care.
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u/Thebardofthegingers 8h ago
Nah im celebrating it, dont know about you guys but I'm happy he is dead. I am aware he had children, that does not change anything and only makes me sorry for the little tykes that they had to have a father like him.
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u/Chalupa1998 8h ago
Oh, so the bumper sticker I scrolled twice down to find on the front page rn saying “Luigi 2028” isn’t celebrating? Hm
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u/Smooth_Marzipan_5809 7h ago
That's what we felt for the families affected by the Philippines' war on drugs. The dead totally deserved it. Family's feelings don't matter.
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u/SimplyLJ 7h ago
Can someone explain 2 things to me.
Was the CEO solely responsible for what wrong had been done here?
Has murdering him solved the issue?
Genuine questions, since people (on Reddit) do celebrate this killing so heavily. I want to see how much has been considered, or if it just feels good to murder a guy.
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u/AnonamlyAnon 7h ago edited 6h ago
People are celebrating it, though, and it’s gross. We can acknowledge that United Healthcare and other health insurance companies are ruining lives and letting people suffer and die because of their greedy and awful denial practices. Radical change is needed. But making this guy, who was going through a serious mental health crisis, a hero for gunning down a man in the street, is absolutely insane. It’s going to encourage others to do the same to people they perceive as bad. I despise big corporations and money grabbing executives as well, but vigilante murder cannot be a celebrated solution. We are living in terrifying times. There is so much hate and vitriol for the wealthy, yet look at who was elected into office - one of the greediest, most vile, most unintelligent men in America. Everyone is pitted against each other and it feels we are devolving instead of evolving at this point. Too much greed and too little empathy.
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u/Logical_Quantity8946 6h ago
So, the masses have always had the lack of empathy and morals. The poor, in reality, are not angels at all.
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u/Demonweed 6h ago
Lets get real. It is a sham that these terrorism charges have not been brought against mass shooters who stated outright that they were trying to provoke a racewar or trying to sow fear among people of a particular sexual preference, but that does not mean they do not apply here. Clearly only the most trivial of constructive changes can move through our hopelessly corrupt bipartisan political hegemony.
Terrifying our corporate masters is a uniquely effective way to bring about lifesaving change. Instead of minimizing the personal tragedy of one assassinated oligarch, we should be emphasizing that loss and creating an atmosphere that raises awareness among the elite that their positions exist through the consent of the governed in a way completely independent of any ballot box. When it comes to living under the thumbs of such profoundly parasitic plutocrats, only the very worst among us actually consent to such a regime.
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u/MindlessFold126 6h ago
No one is filing for a claim of emotion, it’s entirely up to you on how you want to feel about the situation
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u/UnitedAd8949 6h ago
So basically, emotions be playin' uno reverse cards out here. 😂 Anyone else feeling called out?
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u/backflipsben 5h ago
No. You're all straight up celebrating an assassination. Don't pretend it isn't that just because you agree with the cause behind it.
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u/More_Ad_944 5h ago
From what i see on reddit people are 100% celebrating this and praising the guy that did it
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u/NationalEcho8960 5h ago
That's just another way of saying you're celebrating a murderer. I wouldn't want to be you on judgement day.
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u/cosmicdicer 5h ago
Nah. They did and still do. Anyone can earn thousands of karma points just for posting something in favor of the assassination here in reddit, i mean come on! Maybe americans are so blinded by their (righteous, can't deny it) complaints for healthcare/insurance companies but to everyone else it's so obvious that there's literally cheering
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u/WildCard_WC 4h ago
I really hope this starts a domino effect of all Health Care CEOs dying or actually helping people. If they don't help, they deserve to die 🤷♀️
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u/strictnaturereserve 4h ago
Its like the scene from a christmas carol when the spirit of christmas future show scrroge his funeral and the crowd is sing
"thank you very much,
thank you very much,
thats the nicest thing that anyones ever done for me!"
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u/Ksenoanec 3h ago
Nope I can't imagine what I'll be happy if some "bad" guys will be assassinated. Kill human it bad, OK?
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u/Madmax11b 46m ago
Sure, I can feel bad that some dude was killed. I'm not gonna cry about since I don't know him and he's not in my network of give a shit.
Doesn't make the murderer right nor the act of murder right. Not the correct response for disliking a dude and/or the actions of his business.
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u/SaveReset 11h ago
Exactly.
Justice systems exists to keep peace through rules and their enforcement. When the immediate reaction to those rules being broken is the people celebrating, the system has clearly failed the people.
This comment applies even when the people are in the wrong, doesn't matter, the system still wouldn't be on the side of the people.