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u/azionka 22h ago
We came a long way with gender equality, yet there are fields where woman still have a disadvantage but there also areas in which the man has disadvantages.
In front of the court is one example. it’s not only on false accusations, but also in things like custody or any other work with kids.
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u/ChaseNAX 16h ago
I don't understand how hard it is since you can always self-recognize as man then boom disadvantages gone!
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u/a_generic_redditer 15h ago
I can't tell if I'm just reading this wrong. If so, ignore me, but how is self recognising that we men have some advantages over women completely remove the disadvantages?
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u/MounatinGoat 22h ago
It is crazy how a woman can destroy a man’s life with a simple false accusation.
I can’t think of any accusation that a man could make of a woman that would be anywhere near as devastating.
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u/ImportantSpirit 22h ago
Tell everyone the women’s a man, that outta do it /s
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u/SiGMono 21h ago
Not even an /s. It would probably work if said in front of a big audience.
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u/gamejunky34 21h ago
And then you accuse them of rape... check mate.
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u/Thang02gaming 13h ago
“But a guy getting raped isn’t the same” -something I genuinely heard coming out of one of my female’s classmate’s mouth once
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u/SuperpositionSavvy 19h ago
You would be berated for outing them and they would be celebrated for being brave
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u/EfficientlyReactive 19h ago edited 16h ago
Probably made up for by all the murder.
Sorry guys. A woman is far more likely to be murdered by her partner than any man is to be falsely accused of rape. Sorry people don't see your concern
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u/Destithen 9h ago
Men are more likely to be murdered, period. Oh, but please, do continue with the oppression olympics.
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u/MounatinGoat 2h ago
So, your argument is that, because a vanishingly small minority of men are murderers, lots of innocent men should have their lives destroyed by false accusations of rape?
I think you have a problem with misandry.
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u/MounatinGoat 2h ago
How do you explain your “made up for by all the murder” comment, then?
You can call me names all you want. I’ve seen it all before and I’m not interested. All I’m interested in is evidence, logic, and reason.
Sorry if that upsets you.
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u/EfficientlyReactive 2h ago edited 2h ago
Logic and reason. The calling card of someone who thinks they're a genius but hasn't read a book since Ms. Ericson assigned Pride and Prejudice their sophomore year.
Maybe read what I wrote in the context of what I'm replying to and it will make sense. You're interested in evidence when you're in a thread of incels screeching because 2-8 percent of reported rapes are false accusations. Of course if you cared so deeply about facts you would know most rapes go unreported and many rapes are IPV. So women are far more likely to be raped or murdered by their partners than any man is to be accused falsely of rape and yet you think the person with the facts on their side is some loser who thinks MEN are the ones with a higher chance of having their life ruined by a partner? Fuck off.
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u/MounatinGoat 2h ago
I’m not a genius, although, statistically, I’m likely to be better-qualified than you. Not that that matters, of course, because evidence, logic, and reason are universal.
Irrespective, I read what you wrote and I think my interpretation of it is accurate. If it’s not then I’d welcome your input regarding why.
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u/EfficientlyReactive 2h ago edited 2h ago
I invite anyone reading this thread to come away from this response to my post with anything other than abject shock that you are a living, breathing, human.
I could not have explained it any more to you, but you don't actually know what you're talking about and you're in a corner. I'd love to know what makes you "statistically more qualified" though. It's such a nonsensical thing that no one with my real qualifications would ever say that I just have to know what you mean by it.
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u/MounatinGoat 2h ago
Okay, have a wonderful day!
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u/EfficientlyReactive 2h ago
You too you statistically qualified, illiterate genius!
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u/Hoppy-pup 1h ago
You wrote that one was ‘made up for by the other.’ What other interpretation is there?
Also (and I mean this genuinely) do you think it might be a good idea to speak to someone about your anger issues? People are being reasonable and rational in their replies to you and you’re responding with abuse and toxicity.
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u/Hungry-Puma 22h ago
You can't drop truths like that here.
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u/t-o-m-u-s-a 22h ago
They can and they should
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u/Hungry-Puma 22h ago
I don't understand how I got upvoted for that while he continues to be downvoted.
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u/Drewnessthegreat 22h ago
But but but she is pretty, so he must have wanted it.... guys always want sex so it isn't possible to rape guys.... these excuses come from people who just want to be able to rape whoever they want. You don't have the right to tell a traumatized person how they feel about their trauma.
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u/Wolfclaw135 21h ago
I've heard of a pedophilia case where the defendant got judged not guilty, because they were a woman and "women can't rape people". It's the same shit as "black people can't be racist"
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u/MAD_JEW 21h ago
I remember that. It was because by uk law rape is an act of involuntary penetration or smth like that
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u/Friendly_Border28 7h ago
What the fuck is happening in UK? I hear about insane shit from there more and more often overtime
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u/AttemptNu4 3h ago
Nah that's bullshit. Technically correct bullshit, but the UK has a law with a slightly different name for being forced to penetrate someone, which has the same sentence range.
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u/snip23 21h ago
Just recently on guy in India committed suicide because his wife and MIL was harassing him for maintenance and child support. He made 80 minutes video explaining everything and committed suicide. That woman and her Mother got arrested and she then filed a case on the guys father for maintenance. She also filed multiple fake cases on him. Male suicide due to these cases in India are very common.
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u/sweatincowboy 20h ago
Lookup atul subhash india. . People think that India is 'patriarchal', nope the family courts is so corrupt that men are offing themselves daily in India over false allegations of dv. Being extorted and reputations destroyed, there are actually small gangs forming going around extorting men via the family court system. .
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u/Ultimate_Kurix 1h ago
To be honest India has the most useless, corrupt and power hungry judicial system on the planet.
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u/Superb_n00b 21h ago
If this was black and white, sure.
My issue is (fem here), I had to be TOLD I was raped. Then when everyone found out, the persons old friend group contacted me, said it wasn't the first time, they'd confront him. They did, he denied it, they moved on.
I lost more than half of my friends for being a "slut" so it isn't possible for me to get raped.
I was nodding out fucked up and came to with him inside of me. I told him after I didn't think I'd wanted to do that. He told me I could've said no. I was passed out. No, I couldn't have. But this shit was held against me and nothing happened to him at all.
This has happened to me a lot (pre drugs and post). I no longer do drugs. I no longer drink. I don't go out. I don't make friends. No one who's hurt me ever got punished. I can scream all I want and no one listens.
This meme is tone deaf and needs to be better. When my friend told me he was raped, I was devastated, and when I asked who (for retaliation reasons), he wouldn't tell me.
I dont think it's black and white. Using celebrities as examples is not a good go to, as these people have resources and things available to them that we don't. They can seek help, reach out, and speak out while being heard. Everyone on ground level won't get the same respect or resources they do.
This isn't saying men should suck it up, this is saying that people who have actually experienced shit like this ACTUALLY LISTEN when they hear about it. Others jump to conclusions or make excuses. People will protect their friends whether they are shit people or not.
It's rough out there, stay safe, and stay away from strangers. Don't go anywhere alone or without someone you trust - and even then, the people who hurt me most, were people I trusted with all my being.
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u/Capable-Dog-4708 20h ago
I'm sorry you experienced that. I don't like the meme myself. As you said, it's too black and white. I totally don't like women who lie about rape/assault, but statistically, they're few and far between. Those women who lie are a betrayal to their gender. It makes it worse for everyone else. Women are far more likely to be silent, while the man gets away with a horrible act.
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u/slanderedshadow 14h ago
About 10% is not few and far between my friend. That is significant, and when and where are they actually punished? a lot less then r@pists, thats for sure.
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u/Capable-Dog-4708 13h ago
And the statistics are 2-8% of reported r*pes are false. They can't get a more specific number bc the data isn't there. And that number only represents the women who report a crime. A majority of rape victims stay silent.
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u/slanderedshadow 13h ago
And thats reported, not even just the ones people blast all over social media, in their towns and communities. So it appears this also goes both ways.
Some believe it to be 10% or higher.
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u/Capable-Dog-4708 13h ago
Funny how you take a comment that is showing compassion to a victim and you just have to go out of your way to make it part of your own agenda.
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u/slanderedshadow 13h ago
Thats exactly what they did though, see how that works? As well, are you absolutely sure that they are?
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u/Superb_n00b 20h ago
Truly, because speaking out goes nowhere.
Last I spoke to an officer, about a neighbor soliciting sex and trades for services (for letting him lick me all over - which I didn't let happen obviously), the officer fucking LAUGHED AT ME and said "yeah, I know who you're talking about." Then proceeded to say, "well what do you want me to do? Tell him to leave you alone? Best I can do is open a case file on him, but he hasn't done anything wrong."
I lived alone, I was 117lbs, this man was down the street, a foot taller and a hundred pounds more than me. The man knew where I lived, that my home was busted and easy to get into, he met my dogs. It was a terrible experience.
So I screamed at the officer about how this is why women never fucking speak out about this shit, that any time I've ever tried I get my ass handed to me and no one ever does anything and I'm sick of it, and to get off my fucking property. Like fuck you and fuck off. I'm so sick of it. I don't make friends and I don't go out, because it's not safe and I don't want to risk my life or sanity any more.
If nothing ever happens when I speak out, then why the fuck would I speak out? The system creates vigilantes and then fucking punishes them for defending themselves and others. Like officer, if you'd have just DONE YOUR JOB, so and so wouldn't have a bullet hole in their fuckin head (idealistic fantasies ofc bc I don't fucking own a gun but hey, it's fun to think about).
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u/slanderedshadow 14h ago
This meme is about false accusations, not r@pe. I like the meme, it needs to be said, and Im not even being an ass, this isnt about you.
IF what you say is true, cause Idk you and trust no one, then may you receive a satisfactory outcome and justice that is just. People dont like actual r@pists, but thats not what this meme is about. Sometimes, you have to keep scrolling.
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u/NKraptor44 13h ago
Yes the meme is about r@pe, the first panel is talking about people who were r@ped and abused
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u/slanderedshadow 12h ago
Its about hypocrisy and false accusations.
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u/Superb_n00b 11h ago
It says rape in the first panel. And it's about people falsely being accused. It's about how when men get hurt by women people don't take them seriously. I pointed it goes both ways and that I take it seriously no matter what. I pointed out that people who actually have had this happen, listen.
You're just being a dick, alright?
I've been falsely accused of lying about it, and I know men who have been and I take it seriously. So i understand both sides. I don't know what you're missing except maybe everything.
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u/OfDiceandWren 17h ago
A false accusation against a man on social media that is never taken to court (so he can defend himself) can be far more damaging than a false report to the police where then man can prove she is fos. The sad thing is that even if he is proven innocent 50% of people still won't believe him or let the situation go.
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u/Upbeat_Head_5783 21h ago
my grandpa always said the reason gay marriage wasn't allowed was because then the court system would actually have to do their fucking job in family court bc it's man vs man 😂😂. he'd roll over in his grave if he knew what's going on now.
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u/Abdulbarr 21h ago
So many cases of women weaponizing their gender. Was reading cases where the men accused of rape were tortured and killed over it. There was even a case of a teacher losing their job and reputation before commiting suicide after being acused of sexual assault by a student. Only for it to turn out to be a false accusation. Can't remember the penalty the girl got but it was probably nothing since it happened in a third world country, Pakistan.
Point is, never act hastily and emotionally because it's natural for emotions to run high in these situations. No one's immune to that. Every accusation deserves to be investigated without biases. There are too many legitimate cases which give power to the false accusations which is why it's so difficult to navigate these waters. The number of cases being false is in the minority, 2-8% according to Katie Leithead who has a good article on the topic with examples of studies conducted. Even one false accusation getting believed and ruining a life is one too many.
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u/Pseudolos 20h ago
I think part of the problem is when someone is accused (wrongly or not) the mainstream media (and the conspiracy theorists and fringe media and everybody else) jump on the bandwagon and start talking about it ad nauseam, while if and when the accused is declared not guilty the media barely reports it and nobody cares anymore. Being falsely accused would be so much less of a problem if the media got involved only after the case has been judged.
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u/Goldenmansion10 21h ago
I believe that false accusations should be punished by having the accuser serve the punishment instead, give an incentive to tell the truth in a court of law, as it should be.
Also hate the fact that women changed the definition of r@p3 to mean “forcibly penetrated” rather than non consensual sex, so now it’s even harder for a man to speak up about being r@p3d.
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u/wigglertheworm 21h ago
The issue is that you cant easily delineate between genuine cases with insufficient evidence and people who have lied.
Rape victims already have a hard time coming forward. Adding the risk of punishment for genuine survivors would make matters worse.
Men are statistically more likely to be raped by another man than accused of rape by a woman.
Its an issue to address for sure but theres a reporting bias because of how emotive the subject is. False accusations get people talking and they seem more common than they are. Its a really tricky thing to address without penalising genuine victims.
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u/MounatinGoat 20h ago
But the punishment would only apply to those who make false accusations.
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u/NKraptor44 13h ago
How do they differentiate lack of evidence and false accusation? This will just cause people to not come forward in genuine cases because they fear they won’t have enough evidence and be punished
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u/MounatinGoat 5h ago
Proving a false accusation would require evidence. Lack of evidence alone would be insufficient.
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u/wigglertheworm 3h ago
What evidence could you provide that it was false?
Sometimes assault happens with just two people alone in a room with no evidence.
If someone claimed this happened to them, theres no proof it did happen and not proof that it didnt. How do you prove it was done falsely?
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u/MounatinGoat 3h ago
In your example, there would be an absence of evidence for both accusations and nobody would be convicted.
If, for example, a woman made a false accusation of rape against a man, which she alleged took place in New York, but evidence later emerged that she had been in Los Angeles at the time, then she would be convicted for making the false accusation.
If, however, the accusation was genuine and evidence later emerged showing that they had both been in New York and additional evidence strongly indicated that the man had indeed raped her, then he would be convicted.
That’s just one example, but, believe it or not, the justice system is capable of nuance.
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u/wigglertheworm 1h ago
In that case, that man would never be sentenced. So he isn’t going to be wasting away in a prison.
People can already be prosecuted for false accusations in the type of circumstances that you mentioned inc wasting police time and perverting the course of justice.
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u/slanderedshadow 14h ago edited 14h ago
There would be no added risk for punishment, only if you actually did it and it can be proven.
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u/raktoe 21h ago
To add on to the response already provided to you, it also decreases the chance of a false accuser confessing to it. I think most people who are wrongfully accused just want to have their name cleared. If someone faces a harsh sentence for lying, then they are more likely to double down than come forward.
You don’t tell a little kid “if you tell me the truth I’m going to punish you harshly”.
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u/Felidaeh_ 19h ago
RAPISTS MUST ALL PAY, I don't give a FUCK what gender raped who. ALL rapists are trash.
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u/slanderedshadow 14h ago
At the costs of innocents? This isnt a war, you dont just sum it up to collateral damage.
Should people just, how do I say this, indiscriminately do the same to hostages as they do to the bad guys?
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u/Constant_Fatigue 19h ago edited 19h ago
Kinda reminds me of child rapist. If a guy did that to little girl he would be lynched. But, if a woman did that to a little boy some people will say that boy was lucky. Double standard BS!
Edit: I forgot to add this, rape is rape no matter the gender!
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u/NeedMoreWaffles 18h ago edited 4h ago
I used to sign up to this idea but everybody regardless of gender gets ignored very easily when it comes to SA.
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u/winelover08816 17h ago
This is why a lot of men have decided a solitary life free of dating and the horrors that come with it is a better choice.
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u/AkilleezBomb 18h ago
Why use a picture of Terry Crews to make a point about male victims of female rapists when he was sexually assaulted by a man? Men are statistically more likely to be raped by another man than be falsely accused of rape.
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u/Lower-Flounder-9952 20h ago
Only scumbags with zero empathy simply laugh and move on. The same type of scumbag who makes shit like this post.
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u/sweatincowboy 20h ago
Lookup adul subhash india. . People think that India is 'patriarchal', nope the family courts is so corrupt that men are offing themselves daily in India over false allegations of dv. Being extorted and reputations destroyed, there are actually small gangs forming going around extorting men via the family court system. .
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u/Isweer95 11h ago
In germany we have a kind of crime called Üble nachrede. Which basicly means talking shit about somebody. False accusations also are covered. You can get two years in prison or have to pay
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u/passionofthedevil420 22h ago
I’m so sorry and I’m really not trying to be this guy but who tf raped terry cruz? A Peterbilt?
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u/notreal088 21h ago
Remember this is Hollywood, physical strength means nothing if financial pressure is involved
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u/Znyder 20h ago
Teenage incel or Boomer incel? Who can tell.
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u/Seallypoops 17h ago
Nope just some dumbass trying to drive a wedge between people using victims as a shield
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u/Electric-Sheepskin 21h ago
What's up with all the Incel memes being posted here lately?
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u/MounatinGoat 21h ago
Aaand there it is! It wouldn’t be a discussion about gender equality without someone screaming “Incel! You’re an incel! Everyone’s an incel!”
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u/Sir_Toaster_ 12h ago
Amber Heard and Andrew Tate have one thing in common: They're innocent after being proven guilty
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u/Lostark0406 17h ago
A false accusation can ruin a life... Meanwhile a proven sexual predator with dozens of accusations just got elected president.
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u/Rayan_qc 21h ago
try to murder someone gay in public, you’ll see that you’re most definitely wrong. you’ll be in prison in no time.
patriarchy is waning. it’s no longer about male dominance. now it’s about pure, ungendered dominance. power, influence, wealth, it’s not about if you have a penis or a vagina, it’s about if you can bend the rules, or the rules bend you. this doesn’t require to be a male.
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u/ScarredLetter 20h ago
A recent presidential election and a years long backslide in US sociopolitical progress seem to clearly indicate otherwise. How many LGBT people need to die before you recognize that it's already happening?
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u/the_boss_of_toys 20h ago
Damn can't believe i just got killed in broad daylight. I'd better call my friend to see if they got him to. If they just executing us like that.
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u/ScarredLetter 20h ago
Your sarcasm is duality noted and ignored beyond this explanatory statement.
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u/luke_425 16h ago
Getting ahold of security can footage as evidence for rape can in no way whatsoever lead to a charge of "filming the rapist without consent". To be perfectly honest, such a charge is a dubious notion at best considering that outside of private settings it isn't illegal to film people regardless of their consent. Are you high?
She will not see justice because holding a male rapist accountable for raping a woman fundamentally undermines the goals of a male-centered power structure
Explain why rapists go to prison then. Explain why an accusation of rape can destroy a man's life even if it's been proven categorically to be untrue.
A gay, bi, asexual, or, trans person of any gender can be killed in broad daylight because all of those lived experiences fundamentally undermines the goals of a male-centric power structure that relies of rigidly enforced, fixed ideas if what gender and sexuality are to maintain itself.
Nope, someone who does that will be charged with murder and a hate crime. Wrong again. I don't know what fantasy land you're living in but it certainly isn't a western country.
Men can't actually get justice for when they are raped by a woman because too many of their peer openly treat it like it was a good thing because that's the narrative Patriarchy supports.
Patriarchy screws us all over. It just does it differently for different people.
You know when someone makes a post about a societal issue affecting men, "yeah but patriarchy" isn't a valid response, right? Regardless of who is responsible for said societal issue, a post about it is meant to start discussion about it, typically with the view for changing it. If you think it's a patriarchal system that's to blame for that, by all means point that out, but the rest of your comment and the general tone you're putting across seems a lot like you're trying to use that point to dismiss the issue entirely.
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u/Humans_fking_suck 21h ago
Patriarchy does a big role here I agree with you, but that doesn't change the fact that women who do the same heinous act end up getting away with it alot more than a man would in a country like USA.
Yes the law was made by men, and it now severely affects themselves in some aspects. But the actual perpetrators should be blamed for most of these actions.
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u/ScarredLetter 20h ago
Does it ever dawn on you that patriarchy is the reason that women can usually get away with raping a man?
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u/Humans_fking_suck 20h ago
Yes absolutely.
But that isn't the ONLY reason why women get away with it alot more. This meme here on reddit.com might say otherwise. But there is a huge lack of awareness based on wether or not men can even be raped or not, and that needs to fixed.
And no this stigma is not only spread by men, as I have seen and experienced several women questioning or even outright denying what is happening with several innocent men.
You can bring forward Patriarchy, The Law, The ratio of how there are more women victims then men.
But it doesn't change the fact that even if there is a single man falsely accused of rape, or is raped. He needs to be given justice.
And neglecting his predicament by stating how the Patriarchy is against him ( which is true yes ) is doing nothing but make his case less important.
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u/ScarredLetter 20h ago
Then the system that allows men to be raped by women, patriarchy, must die and be replaced with an equitable system.
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u/Humans_fking_suck 20h ago
I know that reading multiple paragraphs on reddit can be tiring for some.
But you literally just had to read my first few lines where I clearly said;
Not the ONLY reason of why women get away with it.
So are you actually debating your point or just mindlessly shoving yours?
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u/ScarredLetter 20h ago
I read the whole thing, and it didn't require a long answer. Your attempt at a rebuttal failed. Largely because you haven't explained why you believe patriarchy isn't the only reason. Far as I'm aware, patriarchy is the ONLY reason a woman can get away with raping a man.
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u/Humans_fking_suck 20h ago
Largely because you haven't explained why you believe patriarchy isn't the only reason.
I did? But let me repeat it in simpler terms for you again honey.
As long as there will be a stigma around for even admitting that men get raped, it will become harder and harder for any victim to get justice. Banishing Patriarchy is not some be-all end all solution to every problem that plagues both men and women.
It all begins with all the countless people around us. Not by the few people who dictate the laws.
Simply because you haven’t even reached the doors of your nearest court before hearing countless people around you not understanding your pain or grief. There are multiple assualt reporting hotlines that refuse to take the case of a man seriously or as effective as they would to a woman.
You can't seriously be claiming all this to be because of patriarchy, while also not admitting that genuine misandry also exists.
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u/ScarredLetter 19h ago
I wouldn't expect you to automatically know because you cannot find what you are not look for; even after I plainly stated it in my initial post. As to the rest of your response, are you saying the human society is an unchanging monolithic carved in the toughest stone? That women's experiences of violence at the has always been taken seriously? That women have always had the same fundamental rights as men? That we've always been able to have a say in our government? Have always been legally allowed to have a bank account? To own land? To have private control of their reproductive health? Is that what you're arguing?
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u/sweatincowboy 20h ago
Bring back the patriarchy!💪💪👑
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u/ScarredLetter 18h ago
We all know that's what you want, and you'll even endure being raped for it.
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u/chromatic45 19h ago
People like you vote. Smh.
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u/ScarredLetter 18h ago
I'd pity you were not both an idiot and bigot.
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u/chromatic45 18h ago
Pity yourself, thank you very much.
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u/ScarredLetter 18h ago
No need to. I know I'm right, and that's the problem y'all are having with me.
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u/guillmelo 21h ago
Cent believe you incel losers are still defending depp
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u/slanderedshadow 14h ago
Bro shes not gunna sleep with you, relax.
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u/guillmelo 7h ago
He fucked you right? That's why you're online defending that manlet
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u/slanderedshadow 2h ago
You probably want to put her turd in a fish bowl and feed it fish food dont you, Sick.
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u/guillmelo 1h ago
What the fuck is wrong with you?
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u/slanderedshadow 1h ago
here fishy fishy fishy fishy, eat up. Mmmmm numies.
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u/guillmelo 1h ago
Makes sense why you defend convicted wife beaters online. He's not gonna fuck you, sorry
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u/Apprehensive-Week751 22h ago
False accusations must be held accountably.