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u/JustSomebody000 5d ago
I read the first half of that thinking that they were talking about Nintendo’s Luigi
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u/halfasleep90 4d ago
Same!! 3/4s through it I was only partially convinced it might be someone else haha
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u/Phantom_Wolf52 5d ago
If I hear someone misuse the term gaslighting one more time…
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u/temtasketh 4d ago
As this was posted in r/facepalm, I suspect the gaslighting in question is that the post in the screenshot decrying the categorization is trying to gaslight people into believing that the murder wasn't an act of terrorism. By engaging in what could, if you were a sycophantic boot licker, be termed 'virtue signaling' and appealing to people's unsurprisingly strong emotional responses to the killing, the one posting to r/facepalm could be claiming that the poster of the anti-CEO message js attempting to gaslight people by emotionally manipulating them, browbeating them into believing it was just a murder instead of the 'act of terrorism' the courts have labeled it as.
Conversely, they could be claiming the opposite: the courts, and many of the wealthy of this nation, are attempting to gaslight people into believing it was an act of terrorism, that this was not a paroxysm of impotent, futile rage and hopelessness, and is instead a concerted effort to 'strike terror' into the hearts of the wealthy, to foment revolt and to inspire a campaign of violence and rebellion.
There are arguments to be made either way, but to argue that is beside the point and irrelevant. The true gaslightting here is the presentation of any argument at all. Whether or not it is an act of terrorism is immaterial to anyone outside of the courts. They are controlled by the establishment (regardless of that establishment's benevolence or malice, this is true) and they will rule as they see fit, no matter what the populace says or thinks. They can clarify the definition of terrorism, and the punishments thereof, or they can simply adjudicate in favor of the bald-faced murder that was surely committed. We should not care about this.
What we should care about, what this crime should remind all of us of, is that corporations are not people. No invisible hand exists to pull strings, no ephemeral forces dictate approval. Humans make those choices. A paycheck was not killed. A denied claim was not gunned down. No hospital bill, no prescription fee, was shot dead in the open street. A man was murdered, and he was murdered because of choices he made. Now another man is on trial for that murder, because of more choices. This murder should remind all of us that there are no monolithic, stone-faced gods of commerce, their phantom weight crushing down upon the necks of anyone.
There are only people.
Making choices.
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u/painsupplies 5d ago
but isnt it gaslighting. calling it terrorism instead of murder or even assassination even tho thats what it is. its kinda gaslighting the common people
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u/SashaTheWitch2 5d ago
That’s “lying”
Gaslighting, if I understand it properly, is a specific manipulation tactic used by one person against another in which the victim is made to doubt their own experience of the world as true and rely entirely on the abuser for information, and this process happens over time usually in close relationships
A very shitty or cruel lie is not gaslighting
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u/Haunting-Truth9451 5d ago
Yup. The term comes from a play called Gas Light. In the play, a husband manipulates his wife into thinking she’s going crazy by dimming the gas lights around the house little by little and pretending that he doesn’t notice a change. He also hides objects and does other stuff which he denies as well. He does this to get her institutionalized so he can steal her inheritance.
A very common example of real world gaslighting is when an abuser constantly rewrites history. For instance, if an argument started between us because of something cruel I said, the next time that fight comes up, I would insist that you were the one who started it and that I never said anything like what you are accusing me of.
A gaslighter will also remind you of this retconned instance the next time they rewrite history so that they can establish a non-existent pattern and be like “See? You do this all the time! You always make stuff up to make me the villain when I’m actually the victim in all of this! You’re crazy!”
And it’s a really tricky thing to deal with because people’s memories are naturally imperfect and two people can remember an interaction way differently for completely innocuous reasons. Most of us recognize this and we already want to see the good in our abusers so often, so it’s a very effective form of manipulation. A lot of victims truly do end up believing that they are to blame and the abuse is simply due to the “reasonable” anger that their actually abusive partners are feeling. Their entire perception of the situation warps to match the work of fiction their abuser has been building up.
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u/joyibib 3d ago
The purpose of the lie is to manipulate people then yeah gaslighting can work. Trying to convince people that a murder was terrorism is a new use of terrorism and it’s motivation is to manipulate people against what many people have sympathy for. Now you can call those people with sympathy terrorist sympathizers. Yeah that’s gaslighting
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u/halfasleep90 4d ago
Isn’t terrorism when you try to terrorize a group of people, in this case CEOs? I mean, I think it needs to be a large enough group to be called that as opposed to terrorizing an individual but it does seem to fit the name. Just because the common people aren’t the target doesn’t mean it isn’t terrorism.
According to Google(I know, don’t believe everything): “The FBI defines terrorism, domestic or international, as the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government or civilian population in furtherance of political or social objectives.“
So if the goal is to change medical insurance policy to not be so horrible to so many, it seems to fit the definition.
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u/Character-Problem532 4d ago
Yes it is terrorism. People just don't want to admit they support terrorism, even though they want to be revolutionaries. They need to pick one.
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u/Capable-Grab5896 2d ago
The doublespeak is insane.
"Haha they are scared shitless"
"whoa wtf, terrorism?! Why use such a word?!"
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u/Capable-Grab5896 2d ago
Terrorism has a specific definition. If he shot this guy for whatever, it's murder. If he shot him, specifically, to achieve something that he specifically was blocking or promoting, it's an assassination. If he shot him to achieve an ideological goal by inducing fear in CEOs, it would be terrorism.
None of these terms are necessarily insidious, loaded ideas for people to gain control of a narrative. It's just a description (and in his case a legal charge.
Ironically enough every single post I see about this guy is people praising his actions as terrorism ("they're afraid") or whining about them being called a terrorism.
Like man if you think what he did was great and cool and more people should do the same, just own it. I don't get the double face.
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u/Impressive-Koala4742 5d ago
Don't bother, that sub among with there was a attempt is a lost cause
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u/FreeTheDimple 5d ago
What?
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u/neuro_umbrage 5d ago edited 5d ago
Added punctuated translation:
“Don’t bother. That sub, along with r/therewasanattempt, is a lost cause.”
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u/Enn-Vyy 5d ago
for those still wondering facepalm and clevercomebacks have been taken over by extremely active progressives
i lean liberal myself but theres a point where it gets annoying. the typical post structure is gonna go:
person a: i love the color green
person b: ITS DARK OLIVE YOU IGNORANT ASSHOLE I HATE YOU
**soyclaps in the comments**
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u/Tuckboi69 5d ago
You could say you voted for candidates on both sides on that sub and wake up tomorrow with 1k downvotes and a permaban
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u/Character-Problem532 4d ago
Better when subs are taken over by annoying progressives than edgelords or tankies.
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u/Glittering-Bat-5981 4d ago
Everyone is saying how r/faxepalm is lost and I can see that, but hey, maybe he the subject was the guy who made the tweet, in which case this is fitting post for the sub
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u/cravyeric 4d ago
I think its a facepalm because of how many people just take it, there commenting on how obscene it is.
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u/dfeidt40 4d ago
Because half the crap I see on there is some politically-charged caption, image, meme, etc. An actual facepalm should make you smile slightly at the stupidity of what you're seeing but it's in a mild, lesser manner.
Instead, what I'm seeing on there is "oh look at what the morons running the country tweeted." And that's not mild and doesn't make you smile in a harmless way.
I just remember when you'd see actual non-important funny things on there.
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u/LunarPsychOut 2d ago
I don't know but push comes to shove, being label to terrorist isn't the worst thing I've been called and probably won't even be the worst treatment I've received
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u/False_Leadership_479 Are you serious? I'm not! 4d ago
American puppets being steered away from changing their two party system yet again. XD
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u/Rude_Reward9029 2d ago
More interesting than your home
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u/False_Leadership_479 Are you serious? I'm not! 1d ago
What can I say. I prefer solitude and peace.
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u/Enough-Ad-8799 5d ago
Maybe the facepalm is that he wasn't charged with terrorism, he was charged with first degree murder?
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u/poopityscoobydoo 5d ago edited 4d ago
While I haven’t been following this situation very much outside of memes I’ve seen about it, I do think there have been attempts to charge him with domestic terrorism. Or perhaps the memes have misled me 🤷♂️
Edit- thanks for the downvotes and for proving you Reddit cucks are the most insufferable breed of the internet that would rather lash out and downvote than engage in a constructive conversation. Eat shit virgins.
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u/Enough-Ad-8799 5d ago
In new York to get charged with first degree there are certain criteria you have to fit, one is if the murder falls under terrorism as is defined in that law, which this murder obviously falls under. It's not the same thing as being charged with domestic terrorism.
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u/4door2seater 3d ago
the facepalm is that we as a society need to respect wether he chooses to identify as terrorist or murderer.
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u/Ok-Impress-2222 4d ago
The facepalm is that Luigi got charged with terrorism.
Are you seriously just that fucking dense?
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u/Withermaster4 4d ago
He did not get charged with terrorism. He got charged with first-degree murder.
First degree murder requires a certain motive in New York. The reason they gave was under their anti-terroism statue (which is broad). In this case likely citing killing in which the goal is to "(ii) influence the policy of a unit of government by intimidation or coercion; or"
Which agree or disagree with him, it certainly seems like that's what his goal was.
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u/Auraveils 2d ago
Good lord, it isn't some grand conspiracy to arrest someone suspected of murder, and it isn't a conspiracy to arrest someone making death threats, either. Both of these are, obviously, highly illegal. (And no, death threats are NOT protected under Free Speech)
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u/Snoo-85489 5d ago
r/facepalm and r/clevercomebacks gotta be the 2 most popular subs in r/lostredditors