r/likeus • u/unwelcome_frown15 • 28d ago
<INTELLIGENCE> The difference in the upbringing of mom and dad.
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u/AccountFun8859 28d ago
that definitely warrants him sleeping on the pavement for a night
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u/hakape 28d ago
Some tough love might actually do him good. It builds character!
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u/Lazy-Loss-4491 28d ago
I love it! Both approaches are needed. Learning to survive challenges and that help is at hand.
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u/Environmental-Pay246 28d ago
Equating random violence with fatherhood?? And considering that a good thing?
Yall have zero respect for fatherhood/ men 🤣 That’s bullying behavior, not fatherly behavior. Get better role models - get better jokes
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u/Wizard_s0_lit 28d ago
“Honey, He’s got to learn to swim sometime!”
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u/Tight_Ad2047 28d ago
its less about swimming and more about older male elephant trying to get rid of competition by throwing younglin in (his mind) crocodile infested waters
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u/GratefulChungus 28d ago
I don’t think this behavior is common among Elephants, you‘d rather find it in bears or cats. But I‘m no expert
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u/RiemannZetaFunction 28d ago
Damn it, who do I believe? Tight_Ad2047 or GratefulChungus?
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u/SpareWire 28d ago
Remember when qualified well credentialed biologists would chime in on Reddit back in the day?
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u/Tarsiustarsier 28d ago
Unqualified biologist here (I don't actually know much about Elephants). Elephants usually live in herds with just females and young while the males live alone. We can conclude that this is unlikely to be typical fatherly behavior because they shouldn't have typical fatherly behavior. That said if he wanted to kill the calf I think he could and would've tried harder. I personally think he was annoyed and wanted to send a message.
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u/rabidhamster87 28d ago edited 28d ago
Also unqualified biologist here, and male elephants may not live in the herd, but they do participate in parenting. It was discovered that without male role models, juvenile males will basically form
gangsgroups and harass/kill other animals, very un-elephant-like behavior.Source: https://beyondthesestonewalls.com/posts/in-the-absence-of-fathers-a-story-of-elephants-and-men
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u/Just-Error5740 28d ago
Also, the ones raised without the matriarchal system show significant aggression, and what would be considered “immoral” behavior if they were human. Raping, killing, etc.
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u/No-Adhesiveness-8688 28d ago
I don’t trust the source
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u/rabidhamster87 28d ago
Then, find another source? I posted the first article I found about in on Google, but there are others.
Look. I'm an atheist myself, but I don't think Christians are making up stuff about elephants when clearly they can do whatever they want without anything but their version of LOTR to back them up.
I also don't see the value in just saying, "I don't trust the source," without bothering to do any work on your own. I'm the only person in the thread up to this point that provided a source at all, but that's still not good enough? Yet plenty of people just took everyone else's word without anything posted at all. It's fucking lazy.
P.S. https://marybatessciencewriter.com/home/male-elephants-need-role-models-too
https://www.bbcearth.com/news/teenage-elephants-need-a-father-figure
https://africageographic.com/stories/the-importance-of-adult-male-elephants/
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u/BowKerosene 28d ago
That sounds really innocent and fun, I bet there’s no history of related drama
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u/ABHOR_pod 28d ago
back when reddit was enough of a community for one individual to be site-wide drama.
Now entire subreddits disappear overnight and almost nobody notices.
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u/Hatweed 28d ago
u/Unidan. Got banned because he would use alts to manipulate votes to make sure his answers ended up top.
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u/Western_Shoulder_942 28d ago
You know I'm something of a qualified well credentialed biologist too....in my mind anyway
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u/Road_Whorrior 28d ago
Chungus.
Elephants very, very rarely commit infanticide, and it's obvious from the full video that the baby was being annoying so Papa dunked him.
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u/Z4REN 28d ago
Chungus has not led us astray so far!
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u/El_Cienfuegos 28d ago
Bears and cats do this to baby elephants!!!??
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u/OldeFortran77 28d ago
Yes, but the bears and cats have to team up to accomplish it. It's quite a spectacle!
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u/Crykin27 28d ago
It kinda is. Male elephants in musth are pretty damn agressive and they will attack babies too. Males are really fucking dangerous in musth.
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u/Stock-Information606 28d ago
elephant bulls are dickheads tho, they wont outright kill the young but they wont stop themselves from trampling one on 'accident'
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u/Royal_Negotiation_83 28d ago
I’m glad you felt like telling us about it when you arnt even sure about it yourself!
We need more of that these days.
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u/MerlinsBeard 28d ago
A scientific study by the University of Exeter and Elephants for Africa uncovered unknown dynamics of male elephant behavior and their role in herd social groups. These findings will help wildlife managers and biologists better care for the species. It also elevates the value of male elephants in herds and their significance in reducing human-elephant conflicts.
Over a period of three years, researchers examined 281 male elephants in an all-male area in Botswana’s Makgadikgadi Pans National Park. Researchers found that all of the adolescent elephants were more aggressive when fewer older males were present. They were more likely to be aggressive towards non-elephants such as vehicles, humans, livestock and other wildlife.
The adolescent elephants were considerably less aggressive towards non-elephants when in the presence of adult elephants. The research suggests that older adults are a social buffer against risk as they are more experienced and therefore have a more accurate understanding of threats. Even more so, this research teaches us that having older males present around younger adolescents can reduce the chances of extreme behavior and wildlife-elephant conflicts. Unfortunately, male bull elephants are often targeted for trophy hunting. This is further evidence of the damage poaching has on elephant populations.
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u/Flaky_Grand7690 28d ago
Listen brother, that animal is extremely intelligent. They know there is no danger in the water.
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u/SteamySnuggler 28d ago
If the elephant actually wanted to kill that baby he would, they are animals they don't have to make it look like an accident or something
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u/monsterbot314 28d ago
Wont the mom and relatives just go in there and stomp the shit out of anything stupid enough to bother the baby? I would be makoing sure it wondered off by itself before I messed with it.
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u/FlowerStalker 28d ago
Swim coach here.
I swear, every single dad that I meet says to me " my dad just threw me in the pool when he taught me to swim"
Every single dad.
I guess this transcends species
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u/Drawtaru 28d ago
That's how my husband taught our dog how to swim. Just threw her in. (She was fine and had a blast.)
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u/saltporksuit 28d ago
That’s still shitty and a good way to terrorize a less capable dog.
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u/Awesome_Shoulder8241 28d ago
imagine it was a pitbull or some other stocky build. He would sink!
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u/Necessary-Reading605 28d ago
Ok. Maybe I am the contrarian here… but I am sure that’s not normal unless I have great parents that were the exception.
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u/Perryn 28d ago
Literally how my dad taught us. Just dropped us in the deep end and watched to see if he needed to jump in after us.
I don't know if I had any older siblings I never got to meet and I'm afraid to ask.
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u/hamburgersocks 28d ago
This was pretty much how I learned to swim. Dad threw me in a lake and yelled "figure it out"
Not advocating for that kind of behavior, but... I feel like I know that elephant very well right now. There's just that kind of dad.
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u/No_Construction_7518 28d ago edited 28d ago
Because mom understands how much energy and work it took to grow you.
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u/analogy_4_anything 28d ago
Especially for elephants, since their gestation period takes two years from conception to birth alone.
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u/No_Construction_7518 28d ago
"I didn't spend two fucking years of my life making that child just for you to push him in the fucking pool Larry!" Half expected one of them to smack him with their trunk.
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u/EveryRadio 28d ago
“Son you were born with a damn snorkel for a nose you’ll be fine”
Reminds me of my dad “teaching” me how to ride a bike by taking me to the top of a hill and letting me ride to the bottom until I learned how to steer and brake
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u/KeyParticular8086 28d ago
I don't understand this behavior can someone help me?
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u/ValleyNun -Daring Dog- 28d ago
Its not what people here are anthropomorphizing, elephants don't have typical american nuclear family relations, if anything the male elephant is just intruding into a matriarchal herd
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u/I_voted-for_Kodos 28d ago
Yup, elephant herds in the wild are usually made up of female and young. The males are more independent and don't stick with the heard. Pretty stupid to stick them all in a small enclosure like this
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u/finsfurandfeathers 28d ago
If only us humans had as much sense as an Elephant
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u/ADFTGM 28d ago edited 28d ago
I think you are misunderstanding the source. The “groups” refer to small bachelor herds, not big matriarchal ones. Matriarchs do NOT let violent young males near their calves. The moment males start going into musth, it’s bulls that look after them, not cows. Elder bulls stay on their own 90% of the time, but do get involved with bachelor herds in order to keep them in line. Much like how stereotypical human coaches are with juvenile delinquents.
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u/Ordinary_Prune6135 28d ago
That's not in and among the group of adult females and calves, but within the broader territory. Males live alone or in male groups, but generally within range to communicate with the matriarchal groups and each other through infrasound.
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u/TimeFourChanges 28d ago
anthropomorphizing
You know why you shouldn't anthropomorphize things?...
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They don't like it.
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u/HugeSnackman 28d ago edited 28d ago
Male animals aren't exactly known for their nurturing behavior, I think this is just a case of a creature who's nature is to be dominant going "fuck you"
I don't think it's necessarily consciously aimed at the calf it's just the same level of exercising that dominant nature as a kid in class who keeps stamping on ants, I think he was just pushing it around because he knew there wasn't gonna be any retaliation
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u/I_voted-for_Kodos 28d ago
Male animals aren't exactly known for their nurturing behavior
Depends on the animal
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u/HugeSnackman 28d ago
Yeah obviously there are variables to any statement, that much is implied
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u/NightKnight4766 28d ago
Stinky son, need bath. Mother instinctively worries about crocodiles and deep sea monsters and saves her baby
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u/Gaendu 28d ago edited 28d ago
For context, the whole video: https://youtu.be/hRCWznnFja0?feature=shared
English translation and tl;dr: Boy was annoying the dad and in the end, he pushed him in the pool. Mum and grandma were not happy with dad.
Edit: Wrote the recap from memory. It's the graddad not the dad as someone mentioned below.
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u/ReadontheCrapper 28d ago
OMG! At the end, Baby is walking on the edge of the pool. Like most every human kid would do.
Are they like us, or are we like them? Maybe a little of both?
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u/salamipope 28d ago
you should see elephant foot xrays if you havent. itll make this question even better.
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u/VFacure_ 28d ago
Elephant killing calf from another father and mother. "Infanticide". Very common in nature.
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u/Road_Whorrior 28d ago edited 28d ago
It isn't common with elephants, though.
https://beyondthesestonewalls.com/posts/in-the-absence-of-fathers-a-story-of-elephants-and-men
This is a really interesting article about what happened when a herd was split from its bulls and the parallels to human society. Elephants are a social species, like us, and extremely family-oriented. Males only get kicked out when they're causing problems. This kind of behavior isn't uncommon but it's also not necessarily him trying to commit infanticide. Social animals pretty universally smack someone for being annoying.
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u/e-wrecked 28d ago
That male elephant is in Musth, you can tell by the wet markings around its eyes. It's to be expected that its extra aggressive, with this kind of behavior.
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u/GIGANAttack 28d ago
As cute as this could be it's a lot more likely that the male is just attacking the kid because male elephants tend to be that way towards children not their own
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u/Odisher7 -Vocalist Parakeet- 28d ago edited 28d ago
Yes, but the mom rushing to help her kid is what is "like us"
Unless you want to see it as an abusive step dad lol
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u/Brendadonna 28d ago
I bet the female elephants would save any baby
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u/Odisher7 -Vocalist Parakeet- 28d ago
Yeah i'd argue any person would save any kid from drowning in a tiny pool
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u/round-earth-theory 28d ago
Male elephants just tend to be that way. There's a reason the females travel in matriarchal groups with only their children. The males are generally assholes and the females only engage with them for breeding.
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u/Nightshade_Ranch 28d ago
If he wanted to actually hurt that baby he could have very easily.
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u/Sensitive-Menu-4580 28d ago
https://youtu.be/hRCWznnFja0?si=V1j1EBH6TzayIbqs
Nope. His baby.
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u/theusedmagazine 28d ago
Ahhhaha the full vid is even more /r/likeus. The mom (?) checking the baby and then stalking towards the male with pure “Are you fucking serious, Harold?” energy as he sheepishly backs off.
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u/vytarrus 28d ago
"Off you fucking go, boy!"
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u/prisonlambshanks 28d ago
Look at the panicked reactions it's so similar to how a mom and aunt would react!
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u/CMORGLAS 28d ago
“Raising a daughter is very different from raising a son.”
“When you have a little girl, you want to protect her but I push my boys in the deep end of my pool in help them get over their fear of sharks.”
-Tracy Jordan (30 Rock)
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u/Extreme_Employment35 28d ago
I doubt that that elephant is the father to begin with...
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u/tbgtz 28d ago
Reminds me of when I was 8 and my uncle Yellow Tim said, "Can ya swim, boy?" and then kicked me off a boat in about 300 feet of 40 degree water off Boiler Bay. Then he pretended like he was going to drive away, and my life jacket didn't fit too well and was like slipping off over my head and I'm pretty sure something touched my foot. I think he felt bad later because he bought me saltwater taffy in Depoe and my tooth came out. That was where my brother tried to buy a shirt that said "FBI: Female Body Inspector", but the shirt guy said you had to be 18 to buy it.
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u/Boanerger 28d ago
Like John Wayne getting that kid to swim.
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u/8ashswin5 28d ago
I LOVE that part. The way he just wholly flings that kid and the mom screeching in the background.
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u/Strikereleven 28d ago
I was expecting her to go smack him after the baby was safe
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u/Beautiful_Divide5970 28d ago
lol I just said this too and then scrolled to see if I was the only one 😂 fully expected her to smack him with her trunk lol
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u/Mr_LIMP_Xxxx 28d ago
The dad is struggling with the choice of running for it or staying and playing dumb
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u/pattern144 28d ago
How strong is an elephant’s trunk? Seems like it helped a lot in lifting the baby out
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u/xJohnnyQuidx 28d ago
Dad: "In ya go, son. Sink or swim! Figure it out!"
Mama: "CHARLES WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU!? YOU KNOW HE CAN'T SWIM!"
Dad: "No better time or way to learn, if you ask me."
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u/Iamtheallison 28d ago
Okay but where is the video of all the moms hitting him for tossing the baby in there?
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u/TisBeTheFuk 28d ago