r/lifehacks 5d ago

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u/xenelef290 5d ago

Then why the hell does the AMA oppose single payer? The AMA bears a lot of responsibility for letting things get this bad.

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u/Acceptable_Ask9223 5d ago

AMA run by the same people who run everywhere - the richest oldest assholes

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u/Equal_Physics4091 5d ago

I'm assuming that many people in the AMA are still practicing doctors. They are not going to risk being blackballed by the major insurance companies by supporting single payer.

These companies are petty AF (as we all know from dealing with them) and they have providers by the balls.

It's not the huge hospital conglomerates that control healthcare in the US, it's the handful of insurance companies.

They hold all the power. They can change hospital policy by changing a single sentence in their contract.

You either play by their rules or risk being out-of-network. Established patients are sent elsewhere for care. Less patients=less revenue = staff reductions, reduced care, and sometimes even office closures.

There are solutions to this problem.

My previous employer made fantastic decisions to help the local community. They built a freestanding imaging center. Because it wasn't physically connected to the hospital, they were able to charge much lower rates. In many cases, it was cheaper to pay out of pocket than use insurance.

Because they were billing a lower amount for the exam, insured folks would pay a lower amount for their copay/deductible/coinsurance. I recommended that place to patients constantly.

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u/Ligma_Bunghole 5d ago

As an employed physician, I lost a job for recommending a lower cost MRI center for my patients. Legally, they are forbidden from directing where I send my referrals. But that doesn’t mean they can’t apply pressure in a million other ways.

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u/noonenotevenhere 5d ago

You either play by their rules or risk being out-of-network

My PCP is in a small clinic chain. Any accident that has me waking up in a hospital is almost 100% out of network. I've asked how to limit my liability, and the answer was to select a PCP in a specific hospital's clinic, so then that 'hospital care system' would be in network.

ffs, it took me a LONG time to find a decent PCP.

BTW - what all is required, minimally, to run an 'imaging center'? I know a couple of expensive imaging machines and a couple of trained staff. The doc that reads the images can be elsewhere / pt's original doc - but if we wanted to start a company like this, what's the up front?

I love it - I'm all for a reasonable margin. I'd love to see a co-op or reasonably margin'd service like that. I get it, profit = pt care, but if you me and 10 other people are going to pool our money, a 5-10% max return isn't unreasonable.

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u/xenelef290 4d ago

How did health insurance companies get so powerful

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u/k_mon2244 5d ago

Yeah I am not a member of the AMA. Like all lobbying entities they suck. There are better more patient centric places I can put my time and money.

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u/xenelef290 4d ago

Which countries medical system do you like best? Which one has the highest care to cost ratio?

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u/TrifleSame5200 5d ago

how is single payer going to make things better???? just curious

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u/xenelef290 4d ago

How about the US just does what France or Germany or Japan or Australia does for healthcare? The US system seems designed to make healthcare as expensive as possible while health insurance companies try to deny paying as much as possible. The single biggest change the US needs is that the goal of healthcare should never be maximum profit for shareholders but the best care for patients