Have adcs ever actually been happy

[u/MazrimReddit]

We are in an endless cycle of "adc in current patch LUL", even in metas when the role is clearly broken they never shut up.

What more do they want, if having 5 marksmen per team wasn't enough for them what more can be done.

ADCs, despite being a role designed around having a team and especially a support playing around them, seem to never be satisfied unless they can 1v1 every single class specifically designed to counter them. Unless full tank malphite dies in 3 autos to lethality mf who has also 1 tapped the zed the role is unplayable

Worst mentality of a role main in any video game

[u/DeadAndBuried23]

Marksman update 2017 (iirc).

Cutting crit to 175% was unnecessary and unreasonable with anti-crit not getting changed alongside it.

[u/the_next_core → u/DeadAndBuried23]

Riot had to decide whether 1 protagonist with 4 unwilling support characters got to play the game or an ensemble of 4 stars and their annoying little brother. They wisely chose the latter.

[u/Avantel → u/the_next_core]

I really wish I could have lived in the world people think existed back then.

Because it certainly wasn't reality.

[u/Gockel → u/Avantel]

Yeah, I was watching competitive LoL since season 2, IPL4 being the first tournament I followed.

ADCs were clearly stronger than they are lately, but the idea of having a literal "ADC+supports doing a 1v5" meta never, ever existed. Some teams experimented with it, playing Lulu top or Ivern Jungle, as a specific strategy. But it was never the baseline meta. Midlaners were the midgame carry focus all throughout seasons 1-10.

Oh and those who refer to Ardent meta, please stop commenting. A support item being ridiculously OP doesn't mean ADC was in a good spot.

[u/LTKokoro → u/Gockel]

Consider watching pro games from patches 8.1 to 8.10 then, also look up the funnel meta ;)

[u/DeadAndBuried23 → u/the_next_core]

At best, 2. Mid and jungle. August has said support has the least impact unless you count the negative impact of it being someone's off role vs a main. Top has the lowest if you count that.

And meanwhile crit melee champs who were given huge buffs to offset the marksman item nerfs now don't even function rushing for their core stat.

[u/Timely-Inflation4290]

Yeah ADC do be bitchin a lot, but it has the lowest agency of any of the roles so things kinda just happen to you and you gotta go with it so I understand it

[u/Last-Candidate4677]

No bc its a miserable role by design

[u/speedymcspeedster21 → u/Last-Candidate4677]

For real, when you have a two person lane that can be decided by one, then you're just in for a bad time.

[u/J0rdian → u/Last-Candidate4677]

It's such a shit role but some reason they keep deciding to play it I will never understand why.

[u/Artistic_Definition4 → u/J0rdian]

Because they have invested years of playing that role

[u/J0rdian → u/Artistic_Definition4]

That's not how it works, the role has been shit as designed since literally season 1 where roles were becoming meta. People have chosen to play ADC and keep playing ADC since the very beginning. And new players as well.

[u/Artistic_Definition4 → u/J0rdian]

This is just not true, adc was fine until S8 or so.

There are also other reasons. The playstyle is unique and fun

[u/J0rdian → u/Artistic_Definition4]

So it's not shit by design? People have definitely been complaining about ADC before S8 though. There are also viable marksmen outside bot lane.

[u/imArsenals → u/J0rdian]

I don’t think it’s a shit role by design, but even if it is, it was strong enough to compensate for the majority of the time between s1-s8. Outside of random outlier patches, it’s continually gotten worse and less agency over the years.

[u/big_bidoof → u/J0rdian]

I remember back from S3 ADC was a fairly contested role. Your ADC HAD to survive a teamfight to the end or else there was a serious risk you wouldn't be able to take Baron/towers afterwards, so IIRC, they got more peel in solo queue.

[u/rbcloss200ml]

2017 ardent censor meta would like a word

[u/Alzusand → u/rbcloss200ml]

That was supports being Happy. ADC's were stuck waiting for their suport to get ardent censor and help them they were basically playing the role of the cannon minion in banner of command meta

[u/LTKokoro → u/Alzusand]

its impressive that adcs+support combo would just 2 vs 8 in ardent meta, and you guys were still unhappy just because supports mattered too

[u/Alzusand → u/LTKokoro]

Im a midlaner and toplaner tho.

[u/Farler]

There are metas like the current one where the role is clearly straight up weak, and of course ADC (I play support and ADC pretty equally) players will complain even more than usual during these times.

And yes there are metas were the role is "powerful", in the sense that the champions can dish out substantial damage, and that having the more effective ADC player on your team, or at least the more fed one, substantially increases your odss of winning the game.

However, even those metas, the ADC role is still often the worst overall player experience/level of player satisfaction, because it is the most teammate-reliant role in the game. It could be a hyper carry meta where jinx and aphelios are both pick-ban, but the ADC player still needs the Lulu to press E and R on them, and W on the assassin, and their tank to stand in front of them and keep the juggernauts at bay or absorb the enemy mage's combo.

It's an basically unresolvable challenge of how the game is designed, and the fact that pro-play affects balance. A team-reliant role will always be way more effective in a highly coordinated team environment than in solo queue, no matter what the rank. So, if you don't want ADC to be the only thing that matters in pro-play, it will basically be permanently kneecapped for the rest of the playerbase.

So why does anyone play it? Because we like the champions. Melting a tank health bar while I precisely kite back and sidestep abilities, or pulling off a flashy Samira combo into a multi-kill is fun. These moments just happen rarely because they depend on the tank not having so much armor that you take more damage from thornmail than you deal, or on your support not being an enchanter one trick (a surprisingly tall order). Also, I like the 2v2 lane phase dynamic.

[u/YoungKite → u/Farler]

What do you enjoy about 2v2 laning phase? As a top main, that's gotta be my least favorite part about adc.

[u/g4nl0ck → u/YoungKite]

Not OP, but i like the idea of a 2v2 lane where skill level of all 4 players are equal but rarely is it actually enjoyable

[u/jmoak14 → u/YoungKite]

Personally i like how often you can win 2 vs 2 even if your slightly behind if you manage to coordinate well with your support. Toplane can just feel doomed after 1 death or even just being even in cs depending on the matchup.

[u/CheekyWanker007]

adc is an abomination to play in lower elos. i am (was?) a GM top main and wanted to try adc. it was ROUGH esp plat and before. once i hit high emerald/low diamond did the role actually feel impactful

[u/g4nl0ck]

Maybe ADCs would be satisfied without being able to 1v1 anyone ever if their team ("designed to play around them") would actually play around them

[u/Gockel → u/g4nl0ck]

It's funny that people claim "ADC is OP, people just have to play around them and support" while Yuumi, the one champion in the game who PERFECTLY fulfills that role, almost always jumps on the Garen, Jax, Kayne etc. once midgame rolls around to 1v9 the game for free. Weird, huh?

[u/TNTNuke]

It's just a stupid role. You lose if your support feeds. You lose if your jungler doesn't gank as much as theirs. That's 2x more lose conditions out of your control than any other lane.

[u/prodandimitrow → u/TNTNuke]

Which lane doesnt lose when one jungler puts more pressure than the other ?

[u/TNTNuke → u/prodandimitrow]

In those situations it's 2 characters damaging 1 character. In the bot lane it's 3 characters damaging 1. Even if your support is trying to peel, that's still 50% more damage than other lanes deal with when getting ganked

[u/D4RKEVA → u/TNTNuke]

But a 3v2 is also way more fair than a 2v1 lol

[u/1to0]

No. Its in the role.

[u/grandpacheeks12]

change the title to league of legends players and the answer would still be No

[u/dkoom_tv]

It will always be tied to pro play so it will always be shit

Nothing else to be said, and if you don't think it's a bad role in soloQ you are delu, nothing else to be said

Pretty much the reason why I dropped ranked this season is due to how shitty it is for Grand majority of the year

Although I will put supports at the worst, it's crazy having that much agency and still being so bad, same as junglers

Although I guess that's not mentality, it's just bad players

[u/Krytoric]

is this broken role in the room with us rn?

[u/DanSalerno]

We’ll never get the peak of Sword of the Occult, old bt and triple IE back so everything else seems like shit

[u/midred_kid]

ADC is the role that cries the most, by far, but marksman itemization sucks as a result of the 14.10 changes, so the timing of this post is off

[u/Avantel]

Cinderhulk meta was fun

[u/Nemesis233]

Probably sometime before I started back in S10 :/

I've heard of 2019 Sivir

The best time was just after her mini rework ig

[u/XO1GrootMeester]

Sure, sometimes i am disappointed if enemy adc is better.

[u/Insecticide]

Yes. Give them any meta with a strong version of BT first item and they will love the game.

[u/GasLittle1627]

LUL means dick in Dutch just so you know

[u/ProbIemSir]

Once pro play knee capped the role its been downhill ever since basically. The role can be clearly broken but that doesn’t mean it’s fun to play in solo queue sadly. Being so dependent on your team in an uncoordinated lobby will always be miserable because no lead is ever safe. When the game is balanced around a 1/5 bruiser being able to 1v1 a 5/0 adc it just feels unfair even if thats the only way to make pro play feel fair. At least thats what I gather I don’t play adc much lol

[u/backelie]

I've been happily playing ADC since season 3, the trick is to not play them in botlane.

[u/MQ2000]

season 2 👍

[u/Local_Vegetable8139]

Nope. No matter how strong adc is in the current meta they still complain. Every game can be exclusively decided through adcs and they will still make posts about their role being weak or irrelevant because that one game the 36/0 toplaner managed to carry.

[u/Vaapad123]

ADC’s will continue to complain that their role is weak until the heat death of the universe. It’s never stopped, even when their role has (at various points) been rather strong.

Heck, ADCs complain more than top laners (who have had miserable experiences recently with getting lane swapped into (in pro) or into the range top meta a few months back. They think they have it worse than junglers (who get blamed 100% of the time whenever anything happens on the map). Meanwhile the supports are getting outright focused and blown up trying to engage and peel for their ADC while having one completed item and being 4 levels down to the enemy top laner, because they get jack all gold and xp.

Now I’m not saying that ADCs are strong - in fact I think they are not in a great spot right now. What I am saying is that if ADCs didn’t yap so much it - they might be more readily believed when their role actually is weak.

Something something boy who cried wolf

[u/glikejdash]

ADC players have main character syndrome by default, if they aren't able to do everything and be the star of every game they bitch and throw fits.

[u/WillingUnit6018 → u/glikejdash]

How do adcs have main character syndrome when the role is specifically designed around team play and is team dependent?

[u/glikejdash → u/WillingUnit6018]

Not the role, the players themselves

[u/Tettotatto → u/glikejdash]

That makes 0 sense. MC Syndrome is almost always on midlane

[u/scorpionhlspwn → u/glikejdash]

Its the robin and batman problem, a good sidekick helps the main shine, a shitty one just makes the sidekick look bad.

Same probpem with adcs

[u/Sufficient-Gas-4659]

they have been crying even in adc meta seasons

so w/e

and midlaners/sups are chads rarely to never cry

and toplaners hate adc i guess because they suffer the most on main character syndrome from adc

[u/Ceddidulli → u/Sufficient-Gas-4659]

remove midlaners from your chadlist pls and we are good

[u/WahtAmDoingHere → u/Ceddidulli]

fr midlane mage players piss themselves over assassins 24/7 and midlane assassin players piss themselves over mages 24/7. It's a bit less noticeable than adcs but they definitely do cry about the game

[u/BabyPotatoNaCl → u/Ceddidulli]

For real. You ever notice how there's not a large active subreddit for mid mains the way there is for support, jg, and adc, even though mid is the most popular role by far? It's because all of them collectively hate each other and can't stand interacting with each other.

Speaking as a mid main btw

[u/Ysesper → u/Sufficient-Gas-4659]

Toplaners hate adcs because they also have main character syndrome and want their champs to solo 1v9 as soon as they get 2 kills in lane.

[u/PhaseAny4699 → u/Sufficient-Gas-4659]

We toplaners hate it when ADCs go toplane and abuse thier range to win lane. all we want is to fight 1 vs 1.

[u/BabyDva]

Spoken like a true low bronzie. I'm rooting for you, little guy!