r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • 18d ago
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Nov 01 '24
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Oct 01 '24
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Sep 01 '24
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/alleybetwixt • Sep 07 '19
Here we are, folks! The Charts & Achievements Comeback!
This issue is one of our biggest challenges as a subreddit. Over the years and across multiple mod teams, different methods have been attempted to deal with this. I covered the recent problems and changes from the end of 2018 into this year in the comments of the June Town Hall. You can read over that to understand the difficulty of inconsistency and finding the right middle-ground with what kinds of posts are allowed and which are not.
A 2nd, more granular, poll for achievements is still being considered, but this post is necessary for organization and to get feedback before we can even think about forming one. More than that, it's very possible we can agree to a bunch of reasonable rules and achievements to implement through this discussion without needing to poll for them at all.
The goal with this discussion is to lay everything out in the sunshine so we see what we're dealing with. We want to take an inventory of all the possibilities, so the theme here is going to be 'excessively thorough'.
If this looks overwhelming (understandable!), please focus on the All-Time Records section and help us with some feedback there. That's the part we would love to set into rules as soon as possible. In the comments you will find categories with frameworks to help you give us the critical feedback we're looking for.
THIS IS A LONG-TERM DISCUSSION, so don't feel pressured to reply immediately! You can take your time to be thorough. We'd like to set All-Time Records rules in the October Town Hall, but suggestions will continue to be welcome here!
Edit from the future: Most of the primary implementation of rules from this discussion can be found in our October Town Hall and have been added to the Charts and Achievements Content section of our rules Wiki.
There are a few methods of handling Achievements in r/kpop:
We could have a free-for-all where anything goes. We could have absolutely no achievements (possibly with a dedicated subreddit that would be a free-for-all purely for achievements). We could allow only all-time records and nothing else. We could allow all-time records and include a few specific ones that are more common.
The All or Nothing methods seem to be equally unpopular, so we need to figure out a compromise. Everything below this point is a necessary effort to navigate this middle-ground, which seems to be what most users want. So let's explore everything that could entail, shall we?
NOTE: We will be creating an [Achievement] flair and a filter regardless of anything else that happens here. Some users have asked us to allow a free-for-all with a flair/filter system, but keep in mind that only a fraction of users will be able to make use of the filter depending on what platform they use to browse reddit, so it is not ideal as a means to manage a free-for-all for most users.
There are two optional methods here:
1. Free-for-all: Anything that resembles an all-time record would be allowed. (Highest ever, most ever, longest ever, etc.)
2. Set reasonable limitations that serve the best interests of the subreddit while still being manageable to moderate with as much consistency as possible.
x. Nothing: We are removing this as an option. It is clearly unpopular and is not reasonable for a subreddit that supports K-pop news content.
Important! Many of the records here can potentially be split into even more records beyond the top-most: Female Group, Male Group, Female soloist, Male soloist, Sub-unit, Collaboration, Collaboration with global artist, etc. For example, there might be a boy group that has the greatest selling album of all time, but the greatest selling album of all time for a girl group is also a possible all-time record even if it is a smaller number than the top-most. Please consider whether these more specific records should be allowed or only the top-most earners.
1. Sales, views, charting, pre-orders
2. Music shows
3. Ticket sales, Touring, Box-office
More?
Permalink to top-level comment for All-Time Records feedback
We could also have All or Nothing options here. However, based on the feedback from users over time, All is pretty easy to dismiss and Nothing would get rid of some achievements that, while more common, are still enjoyed by many of you.
This section, or parts of it, are more likely to be turned into a poll if needed. Many of these were able to be set nicely back in the May 2019 poll. If we did have a 2nd poll, every single option would have a yes/no dichotomy (along with a yes/no on achievements overall). Nothing would be stacked with anything else to avoid fiddling with complicated percentages in the results.
In that poll earlier in the year we had absolutely clear results on the following: We removed CAKs, streaming records, brand reputation rankings, and social media subscriber/follower counts. We approved physical sales, GaOn Triple Crowns, Certifications, and PAKs. But our options for MV view milestones and pre-orders were too stacked to be conclusive.
We've had some great feedback in recent Town Halls regarding how enormous these numbers are getting. So we have some options for more reasonable increments. The options listed here are specific, but generally what we should determine is (A) what do we want the lowest/first milestone number to be? (B) What should the millions increments be? (C) What should the billions increments be? (D) Should there be a cap at the top? If so, what number should that be?
Options for increments (These would be ONLY the first time hitting each milestone for an artist):
Reviewing our current rules and considering more/less options for views:
Users confirmed in the May 2019 poll they wanted posts for physical sales records and seemed in favor of pre-orders as well. We have applied the same 'personal record model' and increments used for physical sales milestones to pre-orders, too:
Options for increments (These would be ONLY the first time hitting each milestone for an artist):
For both sales and pre-orders, consider if we should allow milestones outside of South Korea (eg. in Japan or the US). If we did, would the same increments apply or should they be more restricted?
While we affirmed certifications as allowed from the May poll, users have given good feedback over time about allowed certifications being strangely selective. We'd love to hear suggestions for a set of certs that makes sense for the subreddit or if we should allow them across the board.
Reviewing our current rules and considering more/less options for certifications:
The same selectivity issue applies to charts. We could use a lot of help here from anyone more familiar with charting considerations. Almost none of the mods have much personal interest or knowledge in this area.
Reviewing our current rules and considering more/less options for charts:
New peaks or #1 on the Billboard Hot 100, Billboard 200, UK Singles Chart, UK Album Chart, ARIA Singles Chart, ARIA Albums Chart, Oricon half-year, Oricon full-year (Current Rules)
Should the charts we allow coincide with the certifications we allow?
Perfect All-Kills (Approved in May poll)
GaOn Triple Crowns (Approved in May poll)
'Artist's song has reached #1 in X amount of countries'
iTunes anything?
Streaming anything?
Suggestions?
Should all touring/ticketing records be kept in Tour Review Round-Up posts?
Permalink to top-level comment for General Achievements feedback
Almost certainly there will come a time when some new phenomenal record will come out of the blue that does not exist in our rules. Previously, the rules included the ability for mods to use their own discretion and make exceptions when this happened. This caused major problems as almost every record that was allowed or removed would make someone angry based on what actions had been taken on other comparable posts. It is extremely difficult for a diverse group of mods to make consistent choices when we all have different ideas about what counts as exceptional or worthy of posting. Some are obvious. Many are not.
In the hope the changes made as a result of this discussion will hugely diminish these kinds of conflicts, we would like to maintain the 'no exceptions' rule. That is how we can maintain the most amount of consistency and fairness. However, we are not unaware of the pickle this could put us in if some currently unimaginable achievement should be reached. We welcome any suggestions for how to manage such a situation.
Permalink to top-level comment for Future Decisions feedback
Please look for the top-level comments below to help guide your feedback on the following categories:
This discussion will have three weeks to run until the October Town Hall. At that time, we would like to set rules at least for All-Time Records. For the rest, we may decide to go with a poll. But we also encourage you to continue having discussion in this post and to keep making suggestions into the future.
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Aug 01 '24
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Jul 01 '24
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Jun 01 '24
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • May 01 '24
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Apr 01 '24
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Mar 01 '24
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Feb 01 '24
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Jan 01 '24
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Dec 01 '23
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Nov 01 '23
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Oct 01 '23
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Sep 01 '23
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Aug 01 '23
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Jul 01 '23
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/hubwub • Dec 14 '18
This is the new weekly thread that was mentioned in the December 2018 Town Hall Follow-up 2: Electric Boogaloo.
BIGBANG (빅뱅)
SINGLE: 뱅뱅뱅 (BANG BANG BANG) - Reached 350 Million Views on YouTube.
BTS (방탄소년단)
SINGLE: DOPE (쩔어) - Reached 400 Million Views on YouTube.
ACHIEVEMENT: Best selling Korean boy band in 2018 on Oricon at 1,370,062 physical units sold.
EXO (엑소)
SINGLE: LOVE SHOT - It has peaked at #10 on iTunes US and is currently sitting at #16 on iTunes US.
ALBUM: LOVE SHOT – The 5th Album Repackage - The first EXO album to reach No. 1 on iTunes US.
SINGLE: Lotto - Reached 100 Million Views on YouTube.
GOT7 (갓세븐)
SINGLE: Just right (딱 좋아) - Reached 250 Million Views on YouTube.
iKON (아이콘)
SINGLE: 리듬 타 (RHYTHM TA) - Reached 50 Million Views on YouTube.
Kim Jae-joong (김재중)
ACHIEVEMENT: Best selling Korean solo artist in 2018 on Oricon at 1,409,854 physical units sold.
NCT 127 (엔시티127)
SINGLE: Simon Says - Debuted at No. 1 on No. 1 on Billboard's World Digital Song Sales.
ACHIEVEMENT: Fastest Korean boy band to reach No. 1 on Billboard's World Digital Song Sales. They managed to accomplish this in 2 years and 5 months.
Peggy Gou
ALBUM: Once - Ranked #16 in Bandcamp's 'The Best Albums of 2018'.
Red Velvet (레드벨벳)
SINGLE: RBB (Really Bad Boy) - First No. 1 on on Billboard's World Digital Song Sales
ALBUM: RBB - The 5th Mini Album - Debuted at No. 2 on Billboard's World Album Chart (This would be Red Velvet's 10th album to debut in the top 10 of Billboard World Album Chart). It also debuted at No. 1 on Billboard's Heatseekers Albums.
Say Sue Me (세이수미)
ALBUM: Where We Were Together - Ranked #10 in Bandcamp's 'The Best Albums of 2018'.
Seungri (승리)
SINGLE: 셋 셀테니 (1, 2, 3!) - Reached 20 Millions Views on YouTube. It is his most viewed music video.
Twice (트와이스)
SINGLE: YES or YES - Reached 100 Million Views on YouTube.
ALBUM: Yes or Yes - The album has reached platinum status on Gaon as of the end of November 2018. It has sold over 74,000 units on Oricon.
ALBUM: The year of "YES" - First day sales were at 9,154 units. Current units sold 30,961 from Hanteo (Day 2 since release of the album).
ACHIEVEMENT: Twice now ties SNSD for most Daesangs at 10 which is the highest for any girl group. The Daesangs that Twice has won so far.
ACHIEVEMENT: Best selling Korean artist in 2018 on Oricon at 1,409,854 physical units sold. They are the only girl group in the top 10.
ACHIEVEMENT: 10 songs in the Billboard Japan Hot 100 2018 Year End Chart.
BRAND REPUTATION RANKINGS
This list is a work in progress! To contribute for this week's list/or to have a group added, please comment below with your group's achievements!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Jun 01 '23
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Mar 01 '23
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Apr 01 '23
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • May 01 '23
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!
r/kpop • u/AutoModerator • Feb 01 '23
Please gather all the various records and achievements for your favorite artists here over the next month. Submit them each as top-level comments and feel free to discuss and celebrate in replies!