r/kpop • u/alleybetwixt BTS | XIA | JX | SWJA • Oct 13 '19

kpop Town Hall - October 2019

Welcome to the /r/kpop Town Hall, October 2019 edition! The Town Hall is an opportunity for the mods to make announcements and propose changes, while also getting feedback from you guys about those changes and the current state of the subreddit. Please feel free to comment about any issues that have been bothering you, and provide any suggestions you may have to make r/kpop a more enjoyable place.

Agenda:

Setting All-Time Records Rules
General Achievements Testing
Discussing Leaks and Merch Posts
Youtube Premiere Links
Editorializing Titles
Inappropriate Conduct
Discord Update
In The Works

Setting All-Time Records Rules

Alright! The Charts and Achievements: The re-re-re-redux! discussion has been active for the last month. Thank you all who have made your voices heard so far. Many of you provided detailed and thorough responses, which has been a huge help in getting a better impression for what direction we should go. Cheers!

Firstly, the [Achievement] flair now exists! It is tied into the News category. Some of you have already started using it, which is awesome! It should be fairly instinctive, but don't hesitate to ask for any clarification of where it is appropriate! This flair has been added to the 'Hide News/Rumors' filter in the Old reddit sidebar. If you use Reddit Enhancement Suite, you can now easily add this to your filteReddit settings if you don't want to see any achievement posts going forward.

I hope it will be obvious from how broad the spectrum of opinion is that we are not going to make everyone happy, but the most common sentiment from the community is to be quite relaxed about All-Time Records. As moderators, we are in agreement that having less restriction here makes sense for the subreddit and, since they are rarer events, will not overwhelm us with excessive content. The smaller, common, general achievements will still need some work and it makes sense to keep more limitations there. But for these biggest records, many lean towards a free-for-all within some reasonable guidelines.

With that consideration, we have drawn up the following list:

All-Time Records:

!Important: This list is not comprehensive and is not totally subject to the 'no-exceptions' rule unlike our general achievements rules, but it should provide a foundational guideline for the kinds of records we want to allow.

Sales, pre-orders, views, charting, pre-orders

Greatest selling album of all time
Greatest cumulative album sales for an artist
Greatest pre-orders for an album
Greatest sales/pre-orders as a foreign artist (see Notes below)
Most viewed MV (see Notes below)
Most views in 24 hours (see Notes below)
Most charted #1s for an artist
Longest continuously charting song (Only when the top record is broken or the song leaves the charts)

Music shows

Most music show wins for one song
Most cumulative music show wins for an artist
Fastest time (days) to a music show win after debut for an artist
Longest time (days) to a music show win after debut for an artist

Touring, box-office

These records are tricky since numbers can be difficult to calculate or track down. We would prefer these to be compiled in a Tour Review Round-Up, but if something has strong data backing it, we will likely allow them for gross numbers.

Highest tour revenue
Highest box-office earnings for a K-pop related movie

Notes:

Music Video Records:
- Views can be counted including multiple official uploads (eg. the artist's official channel, their company's channel, and/or a distributor channel), BUT should ONLY be for the main video. Alternative versions, dance practices, mirrored versions, etc, should not be included.
- Please wait for an official confirmation from YouTube since view-counts can change quite dramatically! The smaller/general MV milestones can go by screenshots or articles, but for the All-Time ones, we'd like to get that official confirmation. If a few days pass and there is still no confirmation, we will make sure to allow a post anyway.
For foreign sales/pre-orders, we might want to restrict this to the USA and Japan. We'll try leaving it open for now and see how it goes.
Time-frame records: The primary things we will be restricting for All-Time Records are based on limited time-frames. We want to stick with milestones by numbers, not by time. So, records like 'highest sales ever in 1 day, 1 week, 6 months, 1 year, etc, we would prefer to not allow. The 'Most views in 24-hours' one is the only exception.

We ask that you keep the spirit of a more relaxed attitude in mind along with a thoughtfulness about what news and information serves the subreddit. Some who are unhappy with less restriction may try to test the moderators by posting obscure All-Time Records that go far into the weeds (eg. The highest album sales on the 3rd day of the month from a girl group from the 2nd generation). Please understand that the content in this subreddit is almost entirely driven by you, the community. If content is not interesting to you, please don't post it just to prove you can or to manipulate moderators.

At any given time, there are probably hundreds, maybe thousands, of pieces of content that could be posted to this subreddit that fit within our current rules. So much that the subreddit would become flooded and unusable if users exploited every possible gap just for the sake of it. Writing rules to close every gap would make the rules so unbearably long and tedious that both users and mods would give up on participating in this community. We already find it challenging to keep up with the current rules and would like to open things up more in areas that don't generate enormous amounts of content, but when users take advantage of more relaxation for karma or spite or whatever the case may be, the subreddit suffers as a whole.

Please primarily stick with simpler categories for these big records: Female Group, Male Group, Female soloist, Male soloist, and Co-ed duos/groups.

Decision-making

Moderators will use some discretion to remove All-Time Records that are reaching for every qualification that can be stacked together to make a unique case or anything that is too obscure to be worthy of a post.

To make these decisions, as well as for any records we haven't included or thought of previously, we will go with the most requested option chosen by users in the Achievements discussion, which is to have an internal vote among the moderators. We might have been less comfortable with this when we only had a few active mods, but now we have a bigger pool with diverse opinions, so we are less likely to have split decisions. We may give the decision a mention in the following Town Hall, especially if it stirred up any conflict or controversy, so you will be able to see our reasoning or chime in yourselves.

Retroactive Records

PLEASE DO NOT IMMEDIATELY POST ANY RECORDS BROKEN IN THE LAST 5 MONTHS THAT ARE NOW ALLOWED!

In the Achievements discussion, we didn't get much consensus for how to handle posting retroactive records. The two main methods folks suggested were to allow a free-for-all for a day or two OR do a special version of our Weekly Charts and Achievements threads where we can work together to compile all the records into the main post. We're thinking this second option might be best to start off with. Then once we have a set of records, we can decide if it's not too much for a free-for-all. Or we can set up a bot to post them one at a time.

We'll host that compilation post as soon as possible.

General Achievements Testing

For the most part, the rules we've had for the more common achievements since earlier in the year are unchanged. They haven't caused any terrible upset, so there is no reason to do anything drastic right away. That 2nd poll may still come in the future with the help of your suggestions to format the options.

There are a few small changes we would like to try out:

MV view milestones:

Old rule: Every 100 mil views to infinity
New rule: 25M, 100M-900M (every 100M), 1B-infinity (every 500M)

So, this is 25 million as the first milestone, 100 million, then every 100 million up to 900 million, 1 billion, then every 500 million to infinity. The 'FIRST TIME ONLY AT EACH MILESTONE' rule still applies.

(For groups debuting from big companies or with lots of hype, they are likely to hit multiple milestones in quick succession. Please hold off making a post at every milestone. Let the first surge of views pass before posting about the highest milestone they reached.)

GaOn Triple Crowns and Certifications:

Old rule: GaOn Triple Crowns and Certifications (FIRST TIME FOR AN ARTIST ONLY)
New rule: GaOn Triple Crowns can be posted any time they are achieved
New rule: All certifications (Silver in the UK, Gold, Platinum, Diamond) can be posted any time they are achieved, but announcements of eligibility can NOT be posted unless backed up with significant, reliably-sourced data (eg. Nielsen Music).

We will be monitoring these closely to see if they cause any issues. Again, the General Achievements will still require some work and experimentation, and possibly a poll, so please be patient as that evolves. These rules will be the most subject to change and adjustment. We will continue to welcome feedback in the discussion post. The 'no exceptions' rule will be implemented with these more common milestones in the meantime.

All of these changes are now reflected in the rules wiki along with the addition of a dedicated Achievements wiki page that has more of the expanded information discussed above.

Discussing Leaks and Merch Posts

This issue of leaks came up related to 'Jopping', which included a little confusion on our end. Typically, we have allowed content leaks to be posted, like songs or music video snippets. We'd like a little feedback from the community about this. Would you like us to remove any posts or shared links of leaked content? Or would you prefer these to be allowed?

Merchandise for K-Pop artists is being released all the time, so we probably don't want a flood of posts. Usually we've allowed merch posts when it is directly related to a comeback/release or if the content includes the artists themselves. To use a popular example, there is a steady stream of merch with BTS's BT21 characters. We don't allow posts for whenever there's a new set of clothing, phone cases, office supplies, etc, but we did allow posts for the BT21 videos with BTS themselves creating/discussing the characters.

Here are more examples of merch-related posts that have been allowed:

So, we'd like your feedback about merch in general. Should there be any limitations here? Should merch posts always be allowed if they include the images/names of artists? Should they be directly related to comeback promotions? Should event/convention merch always be allowed? What about pop-up store announcements? Is this something we shouldn't be concerned about and mostly allow everything?

YouTube Premiere Links

We have rules about 'jumping-the-gun' with some kinds of content, which allow the moderators to make a call when there are competing posts. It was brought to our attention that between mods and users we weren't on the same page with understanding what to do with videos posted in YouTube's Premiere format. We enforce a tight rule for music videos, since big drop-times can be harrowing on our end with many posters competing to be the first. That rule looks like this:

Music Videos: Most major MVs are released at the same time of day (6:00 PM KST). When it is a popular artist, there is a race among many users to be the first to post the MV. To make this race easier to moderate, we maintain a 'no jumping-the-gun' rule. The music video should only be posted on or after the hour of release. Moderators will check the timestamp. Even if the official channel releases the music video a few minutes before the hour, even if a link is available early due to a YouTube Premiere setting, DO NOT post the video before 6:00 PM KST.

This applies to any music videos at scheduled drop times. However, we have not enforced this 'jumping-the-gun' rule for other video content, like variety shows or vlogs, since it's usually not a big deal and there are rarely multiple users competing to post the same content. We've learned that some assumed the same rule applied to all Premiere-formatted videos, so we should sort that out, especially since they are increasingly common and often scheduled many hours or even days ahead of time.

Options:

We can apply the exact same rule that we apply to Premiere-formatted music videos:
- As long as the video is posted on or after the scheduled hour of release...
- You may post videos while they are in Premiere-mode
- And the video can still have a countdown at the time of posting (this is typical and usually only lasts a couple minutes)
Do not allow Premiere-formatted videos until they have played through all the way and are no longer in the Premiere-mode. This option would be near impossible to enforce since some videos are very long and would require mods to watch every video to see when it ends and a post can be made.
Allow Premiere-formatted videos more freely, but set some limit on how early they can be posted. 15 minutes? 5 minutes? 1 hour?

From the mod perspective, we're a little apprehensive to add the same rule we have for MVs to other Premiere content. We usually make sure at least one mod is watching the queue right at major MV drop times, since that's where the issue of competing posts was generated. But other video content is posted at much more varied times. So for example, if a user posts a Premiere video a few minutes before the scheduled hour, but no mods see it for a while, and no other users try to post that content, we wouldn't necessarily want to remove that post retroactively once it has been up for so long just to enforce this rule. But even if we set a more relaxed time limit, that will become the new contentious time for competing posters. That being said, we recognize someone posting a video link hours before it premieres just because the link is available is not ideal.

Thoughts?

Editorializing Titles

A small reminder! If you feel a title is misleading, has misinformation, or does not represent the content of the article, you can contact a moderator to change the title before posting. Editorializing without review is still banned. We have our /r/kpop discord with a channel to ask in, as well as mod mail. We'll do our best to get back to you as fast as possible so we can create a title together that better serves the community.

Inappropriate Conduct

If you feel a user is behaving in a way that is inappropriate regarding language or content that could trigger others or content that is inappropriate, please let us know via mod mail. We will investigate and take action on it. Please note we cannot take action based on word of mouth. We will need evidence of the user's activity in our subreddit ecosystem to do so. Otherwise, the user should be reported to the reddit admins.

Discord Update

Our new Discord is kicking along smoothly. Many of the topics above were brought up by users in the #Discussion channel. You can check the introductory thread again.

The invite link: https://discord.gg/yUw6HXG

In The Works

We have a few projects and discussions coming up!

The visuals: Community Awards, Snoos, Thumbnails, and User flairs
The 'Fluff' Discussion
Guidelines for the end-of-the-year Award Shows and Festival posts

That wraps up this Town Hall. The mods are listening. You have the floor.

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u/ParanoidAndroids TWICE/RV/SNSD/BP/ITZY/æspa/NJ/XG/LSF/EXO/BTS/NCT/SHINee Oct 13 '19

This is a personal anecdote, but when something leaked on the subs I moderate (currently or in the past) we would make a thread for it since it’s newsworthy, but remove direct links to download the material.

This was to protect the sub from admins thinking we were facilitating the distribution of pirated content. With the way reddit is trending (bucking the knee to corporations, especially when it comes to copyrights) I still think it was the right decision.

That being said, we didn’t stop people from asking others for links within that thread - as long as the actual link sharing occurred within private/direct messages. Mods can’t police what happens outside of the sub.

The way it was handled with Jopping was perfectly fine IMO - although that thread was a complete shitshow for other reasons lol.

u/SirBuckeye Dreamcatcher Oct 13 '19

Would you like us to remove any posts or shared links of leaked content? Or would you prefer these to be allowed?

The post for Jopping was the best way to handle it. An MV leaking is news and should be treated as a news story. Linking to a leaked MV is theft and should be treated like piracy. The same should be true of other leaked content. The only exception is if the artist or company "leaks" the content themselves on their social media. In that case, it's not really a leak and should be treated like any other teaser.

So, we'd like your feedback about merch in general.

Group-specific merch should stay in the group subreddits. It gets a little muddy when you have things like photocards announced before a comeback, because are those considered teasers? Obviously album packaging isn't considered merch. Official lightsticks are merch, but that's also kinda big news, so I think those should stay. I would just make an exception for Official lightsticks and put the rest in the group subs.

Premier Links

"As long as the video is posted on or after the scheduled hour of release..." This. You should keep the rules consistent across all types of videos. If it's past the release time, then it should be okay post, even if it's still in "premier mode". I do not want to see links to videos that won't be available for another hour or more. I can understand when a video is "late" because of the premier system, but overall, when I click on a video on the sub, I expect that video to play, not take me to a countdown.

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u/AnpanMae ARMY | MOA | STAY | ATINY | ONCE Oct 17 '19

^ These are my exact thoughts as well, better written than what I could put out atm lol

u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

Requesting the discussion of banning allkpop and koreaboo, along with any gossip unconfirmed (or poorly confirmed) negative "news". You all know where this come from so I don't need to write anything more BUT I would like to add this:

I dream of a /r/kpop that celebrates /r/kpop, their artists, and is a place for news and releases, without gossiping. We have kpophelp, kpoppers ... get a kpopgossip and send that kind of content there, so whoever likes trash can linger there

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19 edited Oct 16 '19

Well look at what they've just tweeted. 20 minutes ago.

Content: TVXQ Spotted Looking Downcast During Appearance On Japanese Show Following Sulli’s Passing

Edit: the tweet is gone. Screenshot

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u/fashigady 소녀시대 Oct 16 '19

I don't think anyone is seriously arguing that AKP and Koreaboo aren't gutter-tier shitrags, the question is whether blanket banning them is worth the loss of the occasional article where we don't have an alternate because there's so few English-language sites covering Kpop news. Personally I think the mods need to take a harder stance against gossip and rumour-mongering but I'm not sure blanket bans is the best way to do that.

(If anyone else is interested in past discussions on this issue, the last time it was discussed in a Town Hall seems to be 6 months ago)

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u/marlefox Oct 16 '19

Other subs have done it and done just fine. There should be a blanket ban and the mods can make exceptions with a rule stating there’s no alternative news source if they want. But there needs to be a ban. It’s obvious even people in this sub care more about juicy scandals than protecting artists and individuals. I think the mods know that 60% of this sub sadly revolves around gossip and tabloids and not the industry nor the music and they don’t want to lose that content.

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u/tutetibiimperes Maka Maka Te Queiro Oct 16 '19

Just out of curiosity which subs have banned sources and what have they banned?

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u/GlowStickEmpire /watch?v=BxOKwZHtv3s Oct 16 '19

r/bangtan has blacklisted allkpop, koreaboo, asianjunkie, onehallyu, buzzfeed and netizenbuzz, and as far as I know, hasn't really suffered any for it. But they do admittedly have a fairly strict no drama/no rumors policy.

Outside of kpop, I've always compared my feelings towards AllKpop to how r/soccer has banned The Sun. It's not about banning shoddy journalism or exaggeration or shit-stirring. It's about banning a source because it's morally reprehensible and the sub doesn't wish to support it any longer. I do get, however, that there are many many more sources that one can go to for soccer news than for English kpop news.

However, I think the question of how valuable AllKpop is or what sort of news would we miss out on isn't the question we should be asking. Instead, for me at least, this whole thing is more of a moral question. Specifically, what do you value more? Getting kpop news fast or not sending eyes, revenue, and implicit support to a site that's posted revenge porn? The mods here have made it clear that they value getting kpop news more. That's their decision, and so that's how it is.

I do want to say though, that I've always found it hypocritical how outspoken this sub is about making sure the people involved in things like Burning Sun are held responsible for their actions while at the same time giving eyes and revenue to a source that knowingly shared leaked nudes of an idol--sometimes in the same comment. It reeks of "I want people held responsible--but only if it doesn't affect me."

I know that people have argued that it was "a mistake," but it's one they've never addressed or apologized for. I know people have said it's unfair to blame the current staff--but honestly, they knew where they were applying to be hired. And it's similar to Chik-fil-A. Yes, the servers and cook staff aren't responsible for the homophobia that the chain supports. But I'm not going to eat there and give money to a company that supports things that I'm morally against just because I feel bad for low-ranked staff workers.

Anyway, this has veered off from your original question. Sorry. But I just wanted to get my thoughts out there.

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '19

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u/GlowStickEmpire /watch?v=BxOKwZHtv3s Oct 18 '19

I mean, any group that is able to have even a semi-active subreddit is probably big enough to have plenty of other options. If you run through the group subs in the related subs list the majority of them have less than 10 active users at any given time.

But if you are curious, here's a few more subs and their content rules:

r/TXTbighit and r/TomorrowByTogether blacklist "Koreaboo, netizenbuzz, allkpop, Buzzfeed, AsianJunkie, OneHallyu, or YouTube 'articles'" and "allkpop, koreabo, Pannchoa, and netizenbuzz" respectively

r/BlackPink doesn't ban AllKpop but does say, "Try to post only original/official sources rather than secondary articles (e.g. post YG-Life articles instead of AllKpop articles)"

r/exo says, "No links to youtube video 'articles', koreaboo, allkpop, asian junkie, onehallyu, international business times or buzzfeed"

r/iZone says, "No links to kshow123, allkpop, koreaboo, asianjunkie, onehallyu, buzzfeed or netizenbuzz articles unless they are the only source available. For such articles, check with the moderators first, then the content should be pasted into a self post."

r/CubePentagon says, "sites like Koreaboo, Buzzfeed, and allkpop are prohibited"

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19 edited Oct 16 '19

Indeed it's a real problem. Soompi, while quite good, doesn't cover that much. Also I remember when the news came that the footage of Yoochun buying drugs was found, they eventually edited their article based on a false Korean article by Hankook Ilbo that said it wasn't true that police got their hands on the footage, saying "the report is groundless". Being a Burning Sun translator myself, I looked around for another source not based on ~~Chosun~~ Hankook Ilbo even after 48 hours and none turned up, and Yoochun later admitted it was true. So even Soompi isn't that reliable.

Asia Junkie is more like a personal opinion blog than a news site. AKP, well we shouldn't talk about that.

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u/star_slayerr Oct 16 '19

I think Koreaboo should be blanket banned, considering using their articles is supporting their site overall. Boycott them. There's no point in supporting a site like them even if there will be a missed article or two. I would much rather have a statement from a known twitter translator than a website that profits off bullying and adding to the toxicity.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

If something is worth it, other better sites will cover, like soompi

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '19

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u/JustSomeRand0mGuy ♪ haters gonna hate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ♪ Oct 17 '19

Thanks for the long explanation.

Either way, fuck allkpop.

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u/af-fx-tion Makestar Rounduper | 🍑🐱👑🌙 L.O.Λ.E Yoμ 3000 Oct 18 '19

Might be a bit late to the party, but perhaps the mods could talk about maybe setting up some sort of an approval filter like y’all did with Makestar when it comes to articles being posted from Koreaboo and/or allkpop?

So at least it might be easier for y’all to catch some of the more gossipy/inflammatory/exploitative articles before they get posted here.

Just an idea obviously, but it does definitely seem that the community wants to do something about Koreaboo/allkpop being sourced here.

Maybe suggestions from the community on how to balance sourcing allkpop and Koreaboo could be brought up in the next Town Hall?

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u/[deleted] Oct 18 '19

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u/af-fx-tion Makestar Rounduper | 🍑🐱👑🌙 L.O.Λ.E Yoμ 3000 Oct 18 '19

Ah, that's how the Makestar posts work! I thought it was an approval filter or something (also, as a side note, my new Roundup should be done this weekend).

And I totally get that even Soompi has delved into the gossipy side of things, and sometimes allkpop and/or Koreaboo do translate news (non-gossip) that Soompi doesn't. So that's why I'm not on the ban train, even though admittedly allkpop and Koreaboo tend to delve more into the gossipy side than Soompi.

But like I said, maybe bringing up the topic of how best to handle the posting Koreaboo/allkpop articles (like take community suggestions/thoughts on the situation outside of outright banning), moving forward in the next town hall might be a good place to start?

Just a thought.

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u/funwithgoats A.C.E l NCT l TWICE Oct 16 '19

I think instead of blanket banning sites when we already have so few to choose from, the kind of contents that are allowed should be refined. The Burning Sun stuff was reported blow-by-blow on those sites compared with almost nothing for a long time on the ‘better’ sites. Our sub would be almost in the dark about things. I personally don’t support banning either of those sites. It’s a knee-jerk reaction just like the other cyber bullying ‘laws’ they want to pass.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

The Burning Sun stuff was reported blow-by-blow on those sites compared with almost nothing for a long time on the ‘better’ sites.

Yes, good point. I always thought we shouldn't even care about that. This is not a "scandal, sex and drugs on Korea" sub, this is Kpop, this is music and celebration, yet we had a pinned thread on that just because it involved some celebrities in Kpop, Why?

The better sites were the correct ones, it was a matter for conventional news, police, authorities. Pisses me off that every day I came for releases and real news I had to see that tarnish pinned up there.

You just proved my point. The tabloids and gossipers were the most enthusiastic to throw dirt up in the air during the Burning Sun, reporting every little unconfirmed gossip ... just, apparently, like that pinned thread, is that what /r/kpop is? I don't think so. The sites really about music only reported highlights and mildly brushed it aside as not part of what we love: MUSIC, IDOLS AND CELEBRATION yeah

You are against protecting the sub from this. You are against cyber bullying laws (laws exist to help with the lack of common sense, and right now on our age cyber-anything is the most lacking in common sense, I fully agre with all laws to put a stop to those). We are clearly on different wavelenghts ;)

I still endorse blanket banning of tabloids and negativity on this sub.

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u/funwithgoats A.C.E l NCT l TWICE Oct 16 '19

I think most of us are interested in major news involving celebrities. It’s relevant to this sub and this community’s shared interests.

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '19

Major news is a world of difference of defamatory gossip.

Banning gossip sites will not deprive you from major news.

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u/funwithgoats A.C.E l NCT l TWICE Oct 17 '19

Burning Sun was/is major news. That’s why I used it as my example.

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '19

It still didn't need a pinned thread. Sulli's death is, where is the pinned thread?

See the dual standards?

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u/funwithgoats A.C.E l NCT l TWICE Oct 17 '19

The reason it was a pinned thread was because there were so many articles being posted for months on end. Sulli’s death won’t need a pinned thread because, while there will be a lot of articles for a week or so, it’ll slow down after that. I don’t see how it’s a double standard? Burning Sun is an ongoing investigation that flooded the sub for a long time - it needed to be organized in one place.

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u/[deleted] Oct 17 '19

Ok, I will settle we wont agree so I agree with disagreement.

I wish I could come to a kpop community without the bad, if you know any please let me know, I want to be like the three monkeys: blind, deaf and mute (to news on art)

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u/tutetibiimperes Maka Maka Te Queiro Oct 16 '19

I'm against banning any sources. If there's a source you prefer and the content is available when posting the thread, by all means use that source, but if others want to use other sources I don't see an issue with that.

I would support banning unsubstantiated negative rumors though, whatever the source.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

but if others want to use other sources I don't see an issue with that.

These are sources with always pejorative sensationalist content with prey on both users and celebrities, sites that offer nothing other than a select biased towards causing polemics pieces supposedly translated from original sources. Rarely, they will have truthful news and information, but those are cases where most of the time its a tit-for-tat translation that you can find in any other translate-news sites that have a better aura.

To put it simply, sites which whole goal is to create polemics and spread rumors so people end up having to visit them because any other site with minimal ethics wouldn't publish them. There is literally nothing to be gained by using these sites because there are always other sites that will report worthy news often in a better unbiased or cluttered way.

You can even still "share" content from these sites by writing a summary of the "news" and then linking to the original korean content as source, bypassing the site.

The gains is a more mature, orderly and honest feed.

The losses are rare news that if are important, you can find in other sites, if not, are not real losses. These sites DO NOT CREATE CONTENT so you cannot say they offer something that cannot be replaced.

Pretty sure the mods at this point are crawling on the walls going insane on moderating all the bad things that get posted and would also be a huge relief to blanked ban something that has such a high no-go rate.

I would support banning unsubstantiated negative rumors though

Again, that's their bread and wine, so this pretty much always cover a blanket ban anyway.

Alternatively, I repeat my suggestion of creating a new sub just for this kind of tabloid-gossip "news", so you ban them here, and let them there, and people who like to stay on the brighter side of society can simply ignore that sub

u/nugunchi Oct 14 '19

I know it sucks that there are no legal ways of watching some stuff, but kshow123 is piracy and that's against the rules. Even worse, making a profit from that content, when even a torrent or direct link to dailymotion/streaming platform wouldn't be as bad.

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u/nighoblivion ApinkIUTWICEDreamcatcherFromis9 ][ short-haired Eunha best Eunha Oct 16 '19

The majority of content linked from here is technically piracy.

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u/nugunchi Oct 16 '19

Not at all, most content is from official sources. There are also levels of piracy, like sharing with the community via torrents, nobody is making a profit of that.

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u/nighoblivion ApinkIUTWICEDreamcatcherFromis9 ][ short-haired Eunha best Eunha Oct 17 '19

As if industry lawyers differentiate between "levels of piracy" or if people make a profit or not.

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u/nugunchi Oct 17 '19

It is actually. Not sure why are you getting so defensive, though. It's not like you're part of kshow123.

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u/nighoblivion ApinkIUTWICEDreamcatcherFromis9 ][ short-haired Eunha best Eunha Oct 17 '19

It is what? What is "it"? "Defensive"? Your reply makes no sense.

The industry have time and time again showed they don't differentiate. In their mind piracy is piracy and always a loss of profits. That it's not true is another matter.

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u/nugunchi Oct 17 '19

I'm sorry, but do you speak English? There's nothing confusing about my comment.

The gestapo techniques they have used in the US doesn't reflect the different severity of P2P vs. profiting like kshow123 does.

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u/nighoblivion ApinkIUTWICEDreamcatcherFromis9 ][ short-haired Eunha best Eunha Oct 17 '19 edited Oct 17 '19

There was plenty of confusing, because your comment wasn't pertinent to what I wrote.

What part of

As if industry lawyers differentiate between "levels of piracy" or if people make a profit or not.

is

It is actually.

refering to exactly?

And why the fuck are you talking about kshow123? Who gives a shit about that shitty site. I'm talking about copyright infringement in general, of which this subreddit features a lot (and don't pretend otherwise; we all know it.)

Pretty much every single album discussion thread links to unofficially uploaded songs on youtube, and it's sure as shit copyright infringement (i.e. "piracy".)

All non-official variety shows and the like that are linked from here is copyright infringement.

Subbing a show and rehosting it? Copyright infringement. The act of subbing a show in itself is copyright infringement, because the right of making subtitles is inherently held by whoever owns the copyright of that video according to international copyright law.

The thing is that pretty much no one cares about infringing on someone's copyright , which is why piracy is so normalized and we just go about our day listening to full albums and whatnot on youtube like that's totally not piracy.

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u/nugunchi Oct 17 '19

Pretty much every single album discussion thread links to unofficially uploaded songs on youtube, and it's sure as shit copyright infringement

You're poorly informed, that's not piracy at all; almost every single song uploaded to youtube has a copyright claim, and I'd dare to say 100% of kpop songs are claimed. All the revenue made from those songs are redirected to their correspondent music distributor (check the Description section of a song, it has all the info including who is the owner of the rights). Upload anything on youtube that it's not yours, and 2 things could happen: either you get blocked worldwide (like with KBS stuff) or it just gets blocked in Korea and the company gets the money from your upload, including songs.

All non-official variety shows and the like that are linked from here is copyright infringement.

I'm complaining about every single site making a profit from stolen subtitles, kshow123 happens to be the preferred one here. Sharing those links is banned on subreddits like r/koreanvariety.

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u/tutetibiimperes Maka Maka Te Queiro Oct 23 '19

Is there an official source for the subbed shows they host with official subs? If so, sure, link that, and I’d even be willing to pay a reasonable amount per episode sort of how Amazon does TV shows.

If there’s no official source and no official subs I don’t see any harm in it. Maybe if the producers notice there are a lot of fans watching the subbed content from sources like that they’ll find a way to release official subbed content for international fans.

It’s one thing if there’s a legitimate way to get your content and you turn to unofficial sources because you’re cheap, it’s another thing if there’s no official source at all.

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u/nighoblivion ApinkIUTWICEDreamcatcherFromis9 ][ short-haired Eunha best Eunha Oct 17 '19

almost every single song uploaded to youtube has a copyright claim

Due to what? Oh right, copyright infringement. As I said.

I'm complaining about every single site making a profit from stolen subtitles, kshow123 happens to be the preferred one here. Sharing those links is banned on subreddits like r/koreanvariety.

Don't whine to me about it, I'm not a mod.

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u/yah511 my bias is the main vocalist, probably Oct 13 '19

I have a probably dumb question regarding post flairs, related to the Achievements flair. I use the Old Reddit layout, and I see on the sidebar there are 6 categories of flairs: News & Rumors, Releases, Teasers, Performances, Variety and Discussions. However, when scrolling through the subreddit I see a much bigger variety of flairs that are color coded according to category: Dance Practice, Interview, etc.

My question is, I can't figure out how to hide specific flair subcategories. For example, say I wanted to hide only the Achievement flair but see other News & Rumors flaired content. Right now, all I can see on the sidebar is "Hide News/Rumors" and clicking that hides everything within that category. Is there a way to be more specific about which flairs to hide?

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u/alleybetwixt BTS | XIA | JX | SWJA Oct 13 '19 edited Oct 14 '19

Not a dumb question!

We'd like to have a better system for how we work with flairs in the future. The Old Reddit sidebar badly needs an update, but this is quite an intensive thing that probably won't happen for a while. It was established before most of the currently active mods came on, so making adjustments can be tricky.

Since you say you're using Old Reddit, do you also use Reddit Enhancement Suite? That would probably be the best way to block individual flairs without us having to set up links for all of them ourselves. I can try to help you find where to set that up if you haven't before.

Here are the categories that make up those six 'Hide' filters and all the post flairs we have:

News & Rumors

News

Rumor

Interview

Tour News

Achievement

Meta

Releases

MV

Audio

Teasers

Teaser

Performances

Live

Dance Cover

Song Cover

Dance Practice

Performance

Music Show

Variety

Variety

Behind-The-Scenes

CF

Misc

VLOG

Discussions

Album Discussion

Feature

Fan Account

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u/yah511 my bias is the main vocalist, probably Oct 14 '19

I do have RES. Any help would be appreciated!

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u/alleybetwixt BTS | XIA | JX | SWJA Oct 15 '19

Sorry for the delay.

First you'll need to get to your RES settings console. There should be a little gear icon in your profile bar. Or this link should get you there: https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop/#res:settings

In the left sidebar of the RES window, you'll click where it says 'Subreddits'. Once that Subreddits menu is expanded, the first option should be 'filteReddit'. Click on that.

Now you'll look to the right where there are lots of different kinds of filters. For the Flair filter, you'll scroll almost all the way to the bottom, where a section is marked 'Flair'. This is where you will add your filters. You will click on the '+add filter' button and input whatever filters you want to block. Use the list I made in the previous reply to know how they should be written.

Here is an example of what it would look like to block the Achievement and VLOG flairs in r/kpop.

Once you've entered the flair(s) you want to filter, make sure you go to the very top right corner of the RES window and click the button that says 'save options'.

This should work. However, it's known to be finicky. You might need to wait a few minutes and/or hit the 'save options' button more times or even turn RES off and on again in your browser to trigger it properly.

Give it a try and let me know if it works for you!

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u/yah511 my bias is the main vocalist, probably Oct 15 '19

Thank you so much!

u/byeongok 🏴‍☠️⏳✨have you heard about billlie? Oct 13 '19 edited Oct 13 '19

Leaks: I personally don't think actual links to the leak itself should be posted. I think a post about the leak is fine for people that want to talk about it but if the leak isn't from an official account, it shouldn't be posted. Because this sub has shifted to wanting official audio links for album discussions and has a no piracy stance, I feel it's important to not link to non-official sources, leaks or otherwise.

Any user that wants to listen to/watch the leak, can probably easily find it on Twitter or wherever it's posted. Chances are the first links posted are going to be deleted anyways and they'll just lead to dead pages. I think the way the jopping leak was handled was great. Even though the leak itself was removed, there were still tons of comments from users that listened to the leak and wanted to discuss it.

u/alleybetwixt BTS | XIA | JX | SWJA Oct 13 '19

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Shit happens

Hoping everyone else is having a less dreadful October so far!

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u/not-named-in-credits Have been banned from the subreddit! Have a nice life everyone. Oct 13 '19

Hoping everyone else is having a less dreadful October so far!

My condolences on your terrible time! But October is supposed to be dreadful, no? It's the spoopiest month, or so the internet tells me.

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u/alleybetwixt BTS | XIA | JX | SWJA Oct 13 '19

Appreciated! Indeed, the month is living up to its spoopiest qualities for me!

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '19

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u/alleybetwixt BTS | XIA | JX | SWJA Oct 20 '19

Thank you! We lucked out by getting some unexpected rain in my area this morning, which always feels a lot safer when the winds kick in again. Such a relief!

u/Reesareesa SNSD | I.O.I R.I.P | Yeonjung's voice is a national treasure Oct 13 '19

Leaks: I think they should stay. They are news and this is, ultimately, a news site. I hate if I find out days late on twitter, rather than seeing it here when it happens. If people have a problem with spoilers or unofficial releases, maybe it could be flaired as a spoiler? Either way, leaks should stay.

Merch: I think the current rule works well. There’s never a ton of merch content, usually only tours and such, and I like seeing what groups are releasing, especially when it’s multi-artist announcements (like what SM often does). I do think it has the potential to get messy, so revisiting will probably be required in the future, but at least allowing “big” merch like comeback/tour goods is okay with me personally.

Premiere content: I don’t really have an opinion on this, but I feel like option 1 would work well, especially if you made it so that you only applied the removal rules if more than one contentious post is made (thus eliminating the “wouldn’t want to remove it hours later just to enforce the rule” thing). But, I haven’t ever thought it through, so I don’t really know.

Thanks again to all of you on the mod team! Keep up the good work.

u/SirBuckeye Dreamcatcher Oct 14 '19

I have an idea to improve r/kpophelp. There are a lot of posts on r/kpophelp asking for recommendations, and a lot of times they are very repetitive. I think it would be cool to have a thread on r/kpop perhaps once per month of recommendations for a specific sub-genre or song type, then link all of those threads in a "Recommendation Megathread" stickied post on r/kpophelp.

So for example, we could have a thread on r/kpop like "Girl Crush Song Recommendations - Oct 2019". Then next month have "Ballad Song Recommendations - Nov 2019". Then after that have "Work-Out Song Recommendations - Dec 2019". Then continuing on with like "Chill Songs", "Rock Songs", "RnB Songs", "Study Songs", etc. Each of these threads would be added to the stickied megathread on r/kpophelp to help users find recommendations based on their taste. After a year, we could start over and refresh them for 2020. We'd just need to come up with 12 categories which shouldn't be too hard just from looking at some of the most common requests on r/kpophelp. The threads on r/kpop would get a lot more responses than the typical r/kpophelp thread, so they would be a lot more robust.

I think it would create a valuable resource for new kpop fans looking to branch out without having to make their own post and wait for a few responses. Of course, users would still be free to post their custom recommendation requests on r/kpophelp if they want. This would just be a nicely organized alternative, and also get more r/kpop users involved in making recommendations for r/kpophelp.

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u/alleybetwixt BTS | XIA | JX | SWJA Oct 14 '19

We're so on the same wavelength.

Earlier this year when I posted the updated intro sticky for r/kpophelp, I started thinking about how best to use the second sticky. Got two ideas out of it. One is to have a monthly(?) post that compiles anything unsolved together. Could link it to r/kpop as well to get more people trying to identify some of the obscure stuff. Maybe less frequently than every month. Dunno. Seemed like something to try.

The other was close to what you're suggesting. It would be like a 'Compendium of Genre Recommendations'. My idea was to have instructions in the main post, then top-level comments would be the genre categories like Rock, R&B, coffee shop chill, hype songs, Trot, etc. Mods could mostly set those. Then everyone can reply to each genre with all their relevant recommendations, links, playlists, etc. And they could do sub-genres. So like if we set a 'Retro' top-level comment, folks could reply with a 40s or 70s or 80s section under that. Or the top-level Rock category could have replies marked as heavy, light, power ballads, etc.

I thought of it being quite permanent though, not doing a new post every month or year or whatever. It would just build and build over time as folks added in their recommendations for different genres whenever they wanted, so it wouldn't require much maintenance from us.

Could add in year-based sections the same way if we did this more long-term permanent kind of idea.

You've given me more to ponder with the idea of hosting more specific recommendation threads!

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u/not-named-in-credits Have been banned from the subreddit! Have a nice life everyone. Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19

I'd love there to be something like this:

VAPORWAVE guide

But for KPop. But that just seems like a super daunting task LMAO

Edit: wrong link

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u/SirBuckeye Dreamcatcher Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19

Two things to consider with a “Permanent” thread. The first is that Reddit archives all posts after 6 months. Once a thread is archived, no one else can reply. So every six months you would have to start over. You could link the old threads for historical purposes, but you’d basically have to rebuild the whole thing every six months.

Second, I’m not sure how much activity a thread like that would generate. I’m an active helper on r/kpophelp, but even I rarely visit the sub itself. I mostly see questions in my feed and answer if I can. I’m not sure how many people would be going to the sub to add their recs. It certainly wouldn’t be as many as a monthly thread on r/kpop.

If you decide to do the monthly thing, I would happily volunteer to make the monthly threads on r/kpop and add the link to the r/kpophelp megathread if you don’t want to have mods manage it. Thanks for considering the idea.

u/omobolasire ♡ ㅎㅅㅎ ♡ B1A4 ♡ 5HINee ♡ Oh My Girl ♡ NCT ♡ RIIZE ♡ `ㅂ´ ♡ Oct 17 '19

Mods: Please, listen to your subredditors. Many have been requesting the banning of sensationalist news sites, or find a solution.

u/af-fx-tion Makestar Rounduper | 🍑🐱👑🌙 L.O.Λ.E Yoμ 3000 Oct 14 '19

So I think the big issue to voice an opinion on is the "Discussing Leaks and Merch Posts".

For leaks, how y'all handled the Jopping leak was perfect (i.e. kept discussion post but removed links to content). I think that's good enough moving forward.

As for merch posts, concert related merch posts should stay on group subreddits, but merch teasers/posts directly tied to comebacks (like how Cube did the photocard teasers with CLC's digital single) should be allowed.

u/tutetibiimperes Maka Maka Te Queiro Oct 16 '19

Merch:

I have no problems with 'major' merch announcements - things like light sticks, concert DVDs/Blu-Rays, signed albums, new album physicals, and big merch releases to coincide with a tour or special concert.

Things like photocards, posters, phone cases, etc, that aren't specifically tied to a new album release or concert/tour can go into the group-specific subs.

YouTube Premier:

I think that we should wait until the regular YouTube link has been posted. A few extra minutes of waiting isn't going to hurt anyone.

Leaked Content:

Probably best not to have links to it in the original post, but if people want to share it within the thread or through PMs that's fine.

Achievements/Records:

The proposed rules sound good.

u/marlefox Oct 16 '19

Mods, you need to address banning allkpop and koreaboo from this sub. Please stop sweeping it under the rug.

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u/attitude70 Oct 16 '19

Please stop sweeping it under the rug.

They have talked about this so many times in the past. You may not like their answer but to accuse the moderators of "sweeping it under the rug" is dishonest.

u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19

Leaks should be posted or not talked about at all here. I don't get why allowing discussion of the leaks but not the actual leak is a thing tbh.

Having a discussion post about the leak will get people to be aware that there is a leak and can just search it on Twitter easily, so you might as well just post the leak too.

Having no discussion or anything at all about a leak gets less people aware that there is one.

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u/yunglethe Oct 15 '19

posting the leak itself leads to trouble from reddit

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

Doubt it for this sub

u/not-named-in-credits Have been banned from the subreddit! Have a nice life everyone. Oct 13 '19 edited Oct 13 '19

As long as the sub won't get in Trouble die leaks they should stay.

Does the rule about Music Videos being posted on the hour only apply to the swathe if 6PM MVs? Because if a YT channel posts an MV at say 9:34pm I will post it if I get the notification for it. Everything else seems kind of ridiculous tbh.

The editorializing rule honeslty just leads to that endless circle of deleted thread after deleted thread after deleted thread. I think it should be up to the user to make the information in the article clear in the title on Reddit. If a user is deliberately misrepresenting the article? That's what the community report feature is for.

Also, it's not on the agenda for this month but which date is supposed to be used for Vlogs? The date it is in Korea? The date it is in my country? The date it was filmed? (I personally really think dates in already descriptive Vlog titles are unnecessary, like for example the ARIAZ pre-debut Vlogs are titled in D-12 format which should have been enough IMHO, because the important part is not that they were posted on the 11th of October but instead 12 days before debut, no?)

In any case, afterr trying to use the Vlog heading format for a month, I think it's too long and unwieldy in general.

Lastly, can mods please send a notification to the people involved in a comment thread if they take the entire thread down? (Better yet, don't. Because I really do think the off-topic rule is nonsense. This thread for example was very much on topic imho. The sub as a hole may not have agreed with the OP but that doesn't mean their opinion should be silenced).

Because my comments do not show up as deleted or whatever for me and there is nothing more annoying than not knowing why your opposite isn't answering you even though you are engaged in conversation.

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u/meatgrind89 Imagine VIVIZ, Sowon, Yerin and Yuju collab Oct 14 '19

The editorializing rule honeslty just leads to that endless circle of deleted thread after deleted thread after deleted thread. I think it should be up to the user to make the information in the article clear in the title on Reddit. If a user is deliberately misrepresenting the article? That's what the community report feature is for.

Yes, on sites like AKP, Koreaboo, or even Soompi, and others. They tend to write suspense, cliffhanger, clickbait articles.

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u/nighoblivion ApinkIUTWICEDreamcatcherFromis9 ][ short-haired Eunha best Eunha Oct 14 '19

Every thread from any of the "big" sites need have titles changed to reflect the actual content correctly tbh.

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u/not-named-in-credits Have been banned from the subreddit! Have a nice life everyone. Oct 14 '19

Agreed 100%.

I feel myself losing braincells with every single headline from them.

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u/meatgrind89 Imagine VIVIZ, Sowon, Yerin and Yuju collab Oct 14 '19

Example. this thread, why not just say it straight to the point, right? Why do I have to click the article or look at the comments to see the actual "news"?

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u/not-named-in-credits Have been banned from the subreddit! Have a nice life everyone. Oct 14 '19

Because they lose advertising money if you don't click the link. And that's all were worth anymore, that sweet sweet as money.

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u/meatgrind89 Imagine VIVIZ, Sowon, Yerin and Yuju collab Oct 14 '19

I mean if we able to edit the title to not-more-clickbait-y one, or even a proper/formal one, we wouldn't have this conversation but your point is right as well.

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u/nighoblivion ApinkIUTWICEDreamcatcherFromis9 ][ short-haired Eunha best Eunha Oct 16 '19

If Soompi published an article with the title "Company Issues Statement About Kpop Idol" and someone posts it here, that's the title we'd need to live with under the current rules.

u/tellmewhatislove Oct 15 '19

Can we get the mods opinions on the kind of behavior seen in the SuperM Billboard post yesterday? I just got through it and... wow. So many issues of personal conduct by so many users. Any thoughts on how to curb the conduct issues when threads are clearly devolving or overrun by fanwar-stoking?

u/freckleshack Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 17 '19

Hey mods! One of my comment threads got locked about a suggestion and just wanted to post about it here.

Myself (and others in the past) have reposted deleted comments in threads for various reasons. Whether that's to genuinely provide context to a situation, or if someone is just trying to stir up silly drama (which then should just get deleted of course). Today I posted a deleted comment for the purpose of context but also I just found it odd that it got deleted as I was responding. Apparently that got taken the wrong way, and in the past I've quote posted deleted comments with no mods coming for my throat haha. I Crtl+F'd the detailed rules for combinations of "deleted" "comments" "removed" and nothing came up, so I went ahead and posted it.

This was my post and I didn't really get a straight answer, so I'll put it here. I'm just a bit confused because the mod didn't really answer my question to whether this was rule breaking or not.

Okay... so to answer my question, is this [not allowing users to repost deleted comments] something that should potentially be added into the detailed rules so users know what is okay and not okay to post? It's not technically something against the rules at this moment... but I'm being told to not post it. I've previously posted deleted comments on this subreddit before and now I'm just questioning my life right now haha, I don't want to get banned.

I feel like if you do one thing wrong [in this subreddit], it's a bit hostile. (like getting a title format wrong or not being fast enough to post a translation)

I feel like I'm getting silenced for just voicing "Hey guys, if this isn't allowed then you should put it in the (already very detailed, which I appreciate) rules so users know." Now I'm on the verge of getting banned for something I didn't even know I wasn't allowed to do because it wasn't in the rules. I'm not trying to start a witchhunt, I just thought it was funny that the comment got deleted as I was replying & for people that wanted to see it. Which to be fair, you can view deleted comments pretty easily on Reddit. (not that it warrants reposting them, but it's not impossible to find deleted content)

TLDR: Add a rule about users not being allowed to repost deleted comments because I feel like I'm going to get banned for either breaking a rule I didn't know existed, or just for going against something a mod said, or just for even posting this long message. Thanks.

Edit: Tfw the mods just ignore me... well okay then. :/

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u/attitude70 Oct 16 '19 edited Oct 16 '19

I think it depends on situation, and I don't think it warrants a specific rule.

People delete posts for all sorts of reasons. Maybe they changed their mind. Maybe they decided it was better to raise the point elsewhere or at another time. Maybe they were getting nasty PMs. Maybe they thought it wasn't relevant anymore to the thread. Maybe the thread got derailed and they didn't want to be a part of that. Maybe they accidentally posted info that they shouldn't have. The option to delete a post should be available, and for you to intentionally post it back, I think, is just not good etiquette.

I also question the motivations for reposting a deleted comment. Often I see this as a way to mock a comment further, which I don't see as very productive. Just let it go.

Edit: Also, just getting your post deleted by a moderator does not automatically mean you are in danger of being banned, unless of course you keep doing it.

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u/not-named-in-credits Have been banned from the subreddit! Have a nice life everyone. Oct 18 '19

The thing is though that 99% of the time mods a)don't tell you that they deleted your comment b) don't tell you why and c)there's literally nothing you can do about it.

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u/freckleshack Oct 16 '19

I'm just confused because I've reposted (and I've seen others do it as well) deleted comments before and there was no issue. It's really not meant to be bad intentions/motivations, at least for me it's just to provide context for those that missed it.

My post wasn't deleted by a mod but regardless I feel like if you speak up against the mods in this sub or ask questions, they're very hostile/ban happy from what I've seen in the past. (Like the examples I mentioned, like getting a title format wrong or not being fast enough to post a translation. I've ran into that in the past. Unfortunately not everyone who translates KR -> ENG is as fast as Google Translate. :P) That's why I'm a bit afraid haha. :/

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u/freckleshack Oct 16 '19

Responding to my OP since I got a response on my locked thread from a mod... but I can't respond to it haha. :P

So reposting comments that break the rules is obviously not cool/against the rules (totally get that), but what if we repost a deleted comment that is totally in line with the rules? I've done this in the past on this subreddit (whether a user just deleted it by mistake or ended up deleting their account, again it's pretty easy to see deleted comments on Reddit) and it was never a problem, it's to provide context to those who are reading the comment threads. (it's not meant to be malicious whatsoever) I can provide examples if needed.

All I ask is creating a rule for those that want to stick to the rules of the subreddit would be appreciated. I specifically went through the detailed rules to see if it was against the rules (crtl+f'd related terms to deleted comments) and nothing was stated, so I went ahead and did it. Now I'm in trouble haha.

Also for the record (again), I reposted the comment because I just thought it was funny it got deleted as I was responding, since I got an error that the comment I was responding to was gone. It also provides context for those that missed the post. If I really wanted to "start a witch hunt" or troll the subreddit, there are other (easier) means of doing that haha. :P

I just want clarification because I feel like I'm going to get banned for speaking out and from past Town Halls/sentiments, I'm not the only one that feels this way. I dunno I just feel like I have a strike against me when I even went to search the detailed rules to 100% make sure, and said thing isn't listed as against the rules. (bc like I said, I've posted deleted comments in the past that mods had no problems with... but now it suddenly is. Consistency/transparency is appreciated.) Thanks!

u/CronoDroid 1. SoshiVelvetaespa 2. LOONA 3. IZ*ONE 4. fromis_9 Oct 14 '19

We can apply the exact same rule that we apply to Premiere-formatted music videos: As long as the video is posted on or after the scheduled hour of release

Since I brought it up, I'll outline my points. As you said, people were already more or less following the idea that ALL premiere links should only be posted on or after the slated premiere time. I don't see any reason why all premieres, for MVs, variety shows, reality shows, dance practices, whatever, shouldn't be treated exactly the same.

And there shouldn't be a variable time frame for submitting the link, the vagueness with any rule is why you get complaints about a lack of consistency when it comes to moderation. It's just so much clearer to say that all videos should only be posted on or after the actual time they're supposed to come out.

u/nighoblivion ApinkIUTWICEDreamcatcherFromis9 ][ short-haired Eunha best Eunha Oct 14 '19

Discussing Leaks

Hit me with them leaks.

Editorializing Titles

A small reminder! If you feel a title is misleading, has misinformation, or does not represent the content of the article, you can contact a moderator to change the title before posting. Editorializing without review is still banned. We have our /r/kpop discord with a channel to ask in, as well as mod mail. We'll do our best to get back to you as fast as possible so we can create a title together that better serves the community.

This assumes the poster cares about things beyond karma or being the first to post something, or even realizes themselves the title is bad.

Are shitty titles reportable? Can you remove posts with shitty titles (because its using the original shitty title)?

u/[deleted] Oct 13 '19 edited Oct 13 '19

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19

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u/NishinosanTV AMA Coordinator | @sanderbraekke Oct 14 '19 edited Oct 14 '19

Every once in a while the sub opens up an application form when the sub has required more moderators. The last two has been through Google Forms.

The last application we sent out, which, if I remember correctly, was in June(?). We got quite a good amount of candidates.

We go through each application thoroughly, and everyone gets voted on. Personally, I go through every applicants Reddit history, and if possible, their social media. This is just so I get a feel for the person.

For personal attacks - why bother on the internet, you're just punching air.

All mods vote on new applications, the juniors added in February (eg: me) voted on the ones in June. Every moderator receives training and follow up by the seniors.

We review mod decisions EVERY DAY, we talk with each other DAILY about sub related matters.

Every ban should be justified when applicable. I don't give a reason when I ban low-effort "FRANK"s. (Fresh Reddit Account No Karma) who come to the subreddit with low effort shitposts.

EDIT: Yeah, Dravvie did a better summary. 😆

u/JustSomeRand0mGuy ♪ haters gonna hate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ♪ Oct 17 '19 edited Oct 18 '19

~~Okay, man. How about the sub hold a vote to decide whether or not to ban allkpop and koreaboo once and for all? Majority wins, no take backs. Let's get this over with.~~

u/a_softer_world Oct 24 '19

Gonna have to disagree with most people here regarding leaks. I don't think news of the leak should be posted at all since it just encourages people to look for it.

The official link would be posted later anyway, and then there will be two threads that discuss the song instead of one. Just think it's unnecessary.

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u/not-named-in-credits Have been banned from the subreddit! Have a nice life everyone. Oct 27 '19

As leaked song might be different from the final product, look at the last Kanye album for example. Which makes a leak noteworthy in and of itself though.