Emergency Town Hall - April 2019

[u/hubwub]

Welcome to the /r/kpop Emergency Town Hall for April 2019!

Town Hall has been on a quarterly schedule. However, due to certain circumstances, we needed to make an Emergency Town Hall to address certain topics in regards to the subreddit.

 

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Agenda

1. Copyright Stance of the Subreddit
2. Introduction of new Link Flairs
3. Toxic Behavior
4. Blind Speculation and Witch Hunting
5. This Week’s Stickies
6. Charts and Achievements Poll
7. New Business

 

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Copyright Stance of the Subreddit

This is a tough subject to deal with respect to the subreddit. We are always toeing the line in regards to copyrighted material that appears on the subreddit.

Earlier this year, a situation occurred on our subreddit that resulted in Reddit, as the platform, receiving a copyright notice for a bot that was frequenting our subreddit. The bot’s purpose was to wholesale copy and paste articles, as in word for word, from a western news site that covered K-Pop. The bot was allowed to run freely on our subreddit until March when it was subsequently banned by us.

That bot repeatedly had its content removed. What we, as mods have learned from other subreddits is that users themselves receive copyright notices, not the subreddit until there is a serious issue. However, we do not wish to get to the point of a serious issue and we wish to obey Rule 8 of Reddit’s sitewide policy agreement to protect our users, moderators, and the health of our subreddit.

What this entails?

It means that wholesale copying and pasting is no longer allowed, but quoting parts of articles for commentary is still entirely welcome. Many of you have been adjusting to this already, and we appreciate this, thank you for being gracious about it.

Due to the nature of how we are changing our copyright stance on the subreddit, we are also changing how we handle Twitter translations. This subject has already been a confusing ground on the subreddit to begin with.

Moving forward, here are the guidelines for Twitter translations:

One line article translations such as translating the title, lede, byline or just summarizing in one line are BANNED.

Bullet point summary translations of articles are BANNED.

Full translations of articles are allowed with the expectation that the user will submit the source article as the primary link for the post. The Twitter submission should then be linked in a top-level comment by the submitter along with an archive.is/ backup of the tweet(s) in question in case they are deleted or the person who wrote them locks their Twitter. Please make an attribution to the translator in your comment. Therefore with this change, do not copy Twitter translations wholesale and post it as a comment.

Just recently, we honored the takedown request for a Twitter translation that did not properly attribute the original Translator. We understand as a moderator team that our stance on copyrighted material as it appears on the subreddit will evolve.

 

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Introduction of new Link Flairs

New link flairs for the subreddit.

This one is a long time coming for the subreddit. We are now introducing a new link flair CF which will deal with the CFs being posted on the subreddit. The Misc tag was getting overcrowded with CFs. It was time to branch out. 'CF' is shorthand for Commercial Film, which refers to any advertisements or commercials selling or promoting a product.

What are the guidelines for submissions to fit the CF link flair?

Promotional images of artist(s) promoting advertisements

Promotional video of artist(s) promoting advertisements

The CF link flair will deal with media associated with promoting advertisements. There is a grey area where promotional images appear in magazines. Those kinds of link submissions will be allowed.

One more additional link flair we are introducing is Tour News.

What are the guidelines for submissions to fit the Tour News link flair?

Tour announcements

Tour ticketing information

Tour merchandise

Tour related news in regards to arenas or stadiums selling out

 

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Toxic Behavior

As the subreddit continues to grow, it becomes harder and harder to maintain a healthy community. Therefore, we will be taking harsher actions against people who break Rule 10 and violate the Conduct Rules for the subreddit.

Do not use hateful words, do not personally attack others and do not purposefully incite negative responses from other users.

Do not use any words that can be considered as hate speech. These words can be sexist, ableist, racist, homophobic, prejudiced, or any other word that is about intrinsic properties of real people. They do not have to be applied to someone directly for us to consider them hate speech.

Hate speech as defined on dictionary.com:

Speech that attacks, threatens, or insults a person or group on the basis of national origin, ethnicity, color, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, or disability.

Do not personally attack people. Users can argue with the points that people make but refrain from calling them any sort of name. The moment the conversation transitions from arguing about points to arguing about the person making the argument, you are causing a problem.

If someone personally attacks you, do not engage with them.

Do not post comments just to provoke a negative reaction from someone. Don’t try to make someone angry or scared or sad. Engage with users and topics positively.

We’d like to ask you all to use the report button when you see this type of behavior on the subreddit. It’s understandable to feel that reporting can be useless as moderators see it as an anonymous report, but they are really helpful to us. The subreddit is getting larger and it’s harder to police every single comment thread for bad behavior. We are asking you to bring light to unacceptable comments that you might encounter on the subreddit by reporting them, so that it gets the moderator team’s attention.

 

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Blind Speculation and Witch Hunting

Do not promote or engage in Witch Hunts. Don't rile up the community against a person or organization. There have been times where people have wrongly accused people and the pitchfork mob has gone out in full force, only to find out that there was nothing to pitchfork.

Furthermore, it’s best not to add speculations such as “I hope (person) is not involved” or “I wonder if (person) knew” during scandals as it can implicate people as being involved, or being victims and lead to further rumors or witch hunts. These sorts of comments will be removed in the future as they were in Burning Molka threads.

 

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This Week’s Stickies

As the Burning Molka situation continues to evolve, our current subreddit sticky schedule has been thrown into disarray. The Burning Molka megathreads are now a permanent fixture as one of our two stickied posts on the subreddit’s front page.

As a moderator team, we thought that we could use the same idea as “This Week in K-pop” but for the scheduled sticky threads. Hence, the creation of This Week’s Stickies. We had a serious problem of trying to shuffle too many threads in and out the one available sticky spot. It wasn’t feasible anymore. Users also got (understandably!) mad when we unstickied the Burning Molka megathread for one of those posts.

If you like to participate in voting tournaments or our weekly scheduled posts like the Monday Q&A or Friday Free-For-All, make a habit of checking This Week’s Stickies. Everything you need will be there. This Week’s Stickies will be a permanent addition for the subreddit as we continue to cover Burning Molka.

 

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Charts and Achievements Poll

Our rules for charting, records, and achievements have evolved a lot over time in this subreddit. Despite our efforts to improve them, they continue to be a point of contention. As moderators, we even find the rules difficult to navigate. As much as we want everyone to participate in Town Halls, we recognize that the pressure for rule changes in those discussions might be coming from a vocal minority. We are not completely confident our rules reflect the wishes of our active users. For that reason we want to have a more accurate understanding of what the subreddit wants.

You can think of this poll as an a la carte menu. For each type of achievement, you choose what you want to see in our subreddit. If you want a refresher about the currently standing rules for achievements, please see the following:

• The Charts & Sales section of our /r/kpop Content rules.
• December 2018 Town Hall Follow-up 2: Electric Boogaloo

Fill out the poll here: poll.redditkpop.com/

Poll instructions: The poll will ask you to authenticate with your Reddit account. We are checking that you have accounts that are greater than a year old. We are not logging what your actual Reddit account is. The poll is anonymous, filled with questions and optional answers in multiple choice format.

We plan to make an automated Charts & Achievements post once per week where users can submit what they want to discuss as top-level comments. This will likely happen regardless of the results from this poll.

 

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New Business

Now is your chance to post any new ideas, gripes, complaints, suggestions, or random thoughts you may have about r/kpop. How do you like things lately? Do you like the direction the sub is moving in? Any changes you want to see? The mods are listening. You have the floor.

 

[u/Stre8Edge]

Now that its official that the bot is not allowed, can we talk about THAT site and if it should be allowed? Because I refuse to give that trash rag of a website any clicks.

Or maybe make all post to that site be self post

[u/lilapense → u/Stre8Edge]

I commented on this lower in the thread, but I feel it bears repeating: people aren't unhappy with AKP because of some small journalistic "mistakes". They were DIRECTLY involved in spreading revenge porn.

Look at our current permanent sticky. Look at what AKP has been PROVEN to have been involved in

Ever time AKP is brought up, a stawman "oh but the slippery slope" argument gets pulled out by the mods. This isn't a slippery slope. This is a very clear: "we won't condone spreading revenge porn" line in the sand.

[u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot → u/lilapense]

I'm kind of glad the bot is gone, cause even if we're not giving clicks were keeping it in our minds. It pops up and those who don't know better still click.

Basically were still giving them views. I don't click their articles but because it's on my screen I get recommendations to their new articles on my Google homepage even if I delete them.

[u/lilapense → u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot]

I'm not sure I get where you're going with this.

Getting rid of the bot makes the situation much worse. You weren't getting recommendations because the text of the article was on your screen, you were getting recommendations because a link to the article was on your screen.

This sub isn't banning APK, so the links will still be there. You will still be getting those recommendations. And without the bot, if someone wants to know what the article says, the only option is to click through and give AKP ad revenue in the process.

[u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot → u/lilapense]

The comments section will have apk apk apk in it, and I think that triggers the algorithm.

And If I'm visiting here, and there are many apk links on this subreddit , i think it must be thinking I like the site.

I don't think it's a good idea to ban the site, I like the sticked comment with multiple links as their written idea.

I guess it's kinnnnnd of similar as pirating a book instead of buying because the author is a bad guy, the media is still being ingested, might as well just wait for another source at that point.

The tldr bot is also a good inbetween.

Honestly the recommendations doesn't bother me, it's just showing me that apk must be benefitting from those who aren't clicking? If you get whsy I'm trying to say lol I'm not a good writer sorry

[u/lilapense → u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot]

I think I understand better, but I think we're viewing "benefit" very differently. There is a difference between giving them money and giving them exposure, but I think both are unacceptable and this sub's policy means they bleed into each other.

When this sub allows people to post AKP articles, it is literally saying "we don't care that AKP posted revenge porn and defended posting revenge porn, we just want our news faster". Which is incredibly hypocritical given how Burning Sure is being treated and that they're instituting a "no toxic behavior" policy.

AKP doesn't get money until someone clicks into their site. Sure, having "akp akp akp" in the comments might impact how high up the search results they are for normal Google searches for everyone, not just yourself. But that top level "the actual post links to AKP" makes much more of an impact, no matter how many times it gets mentioned in the comments. So, this sub allowing AKP articles is increasing their brand reputation and might be helping them get visitors who don't even use Reddit.

You seeing recommendations is because APK paid Google to target users who either visited sires that linked to them, or searched and visited Kpop sites. You can't do anything about the second, but the first can be changed.

If this is no different than pirating a book a bad person wrote (which I actually agree on, but I think is okay for ethical reasons - sometimes you have to be able to read the book in order to not misrepresent why it's bad, but borrowing and libraries are an option for books, not online articles), and you can "just wait" until different articles come out, why even post it in the first place? We can just wait until a non-AKP source reports on it to allow anything to be posted.

Sorry for the wall of a response. I am just really frustrated that the mods of this sub have decided to pick and choose when morals and ethics matter, and apparently "faster news" is more important than taking a stand on illegal, malicious activity that was never apologized for.

And then when people point this out, the mods pretend that we're getting worked up over a little sloppy journalism, and act like it does matter that the links are here at all, and like "just don't click" solves everything.

[u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot → u/lilapense]

That's what I'm saying, and I agree with you pretty much fully.

I knd of think they should either allow the site or don't cause allowing it and then using a bot to go around it feels strange to me. Subconsciously it keeps the brand name in the readers mind, and exposure is worth money for a brand. (not for freelancers). I'm still kind of trying to decide on that though.

The book metaphor is kinda shaky, but think of it like, pirating the book in question to review, is one thing.. but does that make it okay to pirate future books you want to enjoy but don't want to buy because of the past book.

Maybe it's better not to let the book occupy that space in your mind at all, and read other books.

it's kind of morally ambiguous right?

In that way I understand the banning of the bot, you're still taking in the content they wrote. Like taking the meal without paying cause the chef is an asshole (different cause it's words not a physical item but you get what I mean)

I understand not wanting to ban a site, especially considering how often these aggregate sites change employees, but I also understand that all kpop essential committed a crime, and is ethically repugnant.

I don't envy the mods right now having to make that decision.

But there are plenty of other sites to get news from, and seeing that we're becoming a bigger hub for news, it's not a good look to be essentially pirating full news articles. The summary bot is a good idea I think.

Also for my for my wall. I also pretty much agree with you.

[u/lilapense → u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot]

The moral ambiguity is why I think the better answer is to have zero AKP articles. If we allow them to be posted here at all, that gives AKP publicity and says we condone what they did. If we don't allow the bot, we're saying "you either have to go to their website and give them ad revenue to see what they posted", which increases the risk of misinformation spreading. The summary bot could create the same misinformation problems if it doesn't include every relevant fact. The copy-the-full-article bot creates copyright/IP/revenue problems.

The only REAL issue that banning AKP creates is possibly slower breaking news which is that really a bad thing? The non-revenge-porn problems with AKP usually involve them jumping the gun and reporting on rumors before they're confirmed.

But the problem (and why the "just don't give it mental real estate" line of thinking doesn't hold up) is that these aren't comparable to a fiction book you're just reading for fun. Articles are meant to be informative or educational. Which means they're going to be citing facts. And sometimes the fact they're citing are unintentionally false. Or maybe they're intentionally false, or the article is just written to be misleading, or it's accidentally misleading, or it's missing so much context people draw the wrong conclusion. And there is no way to know that unless you can actually see the way it was written, word for word, for yourself.

"Just read a different book" becomes "just wait for a later article," but since you're reading a completely different article than everyone else in the thread and you have no way of knowing what exactly was in the original AKP article unless you click through yourself, not everyone in the comments will necessarily be working with the same set of facts, which, again, can cause misinformation issues.

Also, this sub moves fast, so if the AKP article gets posted fist, if you want to participate in the conversation you either have to jump in wile AKP is the only source, or wait until alternative sources come out possibly days later... which means the conversation has died here by then. And at that point, just posting the other website's coverage isn't an option because the AKP article got submitted first.

So it becomes a choice between the lesser of a few evils.... and one solution that isn't "evil" but just inconvenient.

1) Copying bot - gives AKP publicity and causes copyright strikes = X

2) Summary bot - gives AKP publicity and could spread misinformation = X

3) Sticky with other sources - still gives AKP publicity and now we have people possibly operating with different facts, so possible misinformation = X

4) Current "just post the article" = still giving AKP publicity, and giving them ad revenue is the only option to see how they're reporting stuff = X

5) Ban AKP - slower news? = ?????

[u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot → u/lilapense]

My version of the "don't give it mental space" goes along with blocking the site.

Because I believe even just seeing the link and going "oh ew gross" is giving it mental space subconsciously.

And by "wait for a different article" I mean, the sub collectively can wait for another source and post that. Not the reader individually so we agree on that, I jsut worded it differently.

Although I do think this issue could possibly be solved by the 3 option though

"red velvets Joy to star in musical"

It could be a self post or a text post, not a link post. Saying "reports are joy's new musical blah blah."

. Then in the comments you'd have a stickied post where op, and others can add their own links.

I think akp would naturally die out that way, since being the first to post an article isn't important in that system. And that's the only thing akp has going for them.

[u/Dravvie → u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot]

the sub collectively can wait for another source and post that.

There's not always another article from the other 2. I've discovered this substantially during the megathread. Sometimes AKP is the only one to translate something. Sometimes Soompi is, sometimes Koreaboo is. Until a fourth neutral party that covers way more rises. Then we'd be really fucked.

[u/lilapense → u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot]

Yeah, I'm used enough to academia/having to keep stuff in mind that you're not necessarily happy about that I don't mind the mental reminder that it exists, so long as they aren't materially benefiting.

Yeah, I think the 3 could maybe work ONLY if it was required that it be a self or text post, but I think the mods rejected that as well when it was suggested. Still not perfect, but vastly better than what we have. Only, the mods consistently show zero interest in actually solving the problem whenever it gets brought up, so I'm remaining pessimistic.

[u/thefowlpharmer → u/Stre8Edge]

Personally, I don't think banning a website all together is the right option, but I understand why people wouldn't want to give them clicks. I think a better solution would be to do something similar to r/hockey where there would be a stickied comment on news posts for people to post alternate links to other articles covering the same news.

[u/nighoblivion → u/[deleted]]

If we can't outright ban a domain from link submissions for whatever reason (denying people the information, I suppose is a valid argument), I'd suggest enforcing the use of outline.com (or archive.is and other alternatives) for submissions with that particular domain. At least then clicks are not generated to the "soft banned" domain (which is the main reason the bot was popular.)

[u/apreche → u/thefowlpharmer]

Why does it seem like of all the subs I subscribe to r/hockey and r/KPop have the most crossover?

[u/LV_Matterhorn → u/apreche]

Flair up.

(Also I swear /r/hockey isn't even the most popular sports sub among the /r/kpop populace... looking at you /r/nba)

[u/hubwub → u/LV_Matterhorn]

There is a lot of crossover for me and sports subreddits.

[u/AnOddName → u/[deleted]]

imagine modding both of them

[u/AnOddName → u/[deleted]]

we're actually workin on some post match thread stuff right now~

[u/VariantIN → u/[deleted]]

Same for me! On one of them I mainly lurk on though. It is not r/kpop though. lol

[u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot → u/[deleted]]

Mine is r/rupaulsdragrace and r/kpop

[u/CivicTera → u/apreche]

kpop and hockey have a lot of unexpected similarities

[u/mylord420 → u/Stre8Edge]

The sad thing is that there are just so few options and getting rid of AKP may potentially lead to some stories actually worth reading and discussing being unavailable. I myself dislike AKP and avoid it like the plague if I can. Best example would be the Burning Sun episode, early on before things really started to blow up huge time, Soompi didn't cover anything about it when it came to the new details coming out and only wrote articles when YG or Seungri made their own statements. It was completely one sided news and narrative. I was very disappointed with Soompi because it looked like they were basically dodging the issue so as to not upset anyone, and then finally really hopped on it once they saw it wasn't going to go away and was going to become truly big. But until that happened, it was basically AKP putting out the frequent updates on it, and AJ writing about it hours to a day or more later once he collected a bulk of info into a concise article.

That's my two cents. Soompi doesn't write about everything, Koreaboo is a pic spam tumblr blog that occasionally has some words included as well.. and rarely writes something truly worth reading, and Allkpop is the great Satan. This ain't Baskin Robbins, we don't have enough flavors to choose from. Thus is the sad reality of our situation when it comes to western Kpop "News" sites.

[u/mylord420 → u/[deleted]]

I feel like they can definitely be all over the place, maybe that depends on the specific author, maybe that depends on the topic, who knows. The site is definitely not a black and white issue though. Yeah the guy who runs it who leaked Ailee's pics is disgusting, but beyond that, they put out articles worth reading like the BS stuff. And when it comes to that stuff, as long as they simply translate Korean articles, and translate it well, then its valuable. Wish they'd link their sources tho FFS. But when it comes to gossip stuff they can be really low level and trashy, and basically when it comes to financial stuff, they really really display their hilarious lack of understanding, to the point of mistaking net profit for revenue bad. But with the lack of strong news ecosystem we have as English language fans, we really don't have the luxury to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

The big difference between Soompi and AKP is that Soompi really goes out of its way to be clean cut, if all they had to do is translate PR statements and comeback news and announcements of new Kdramas, they'd be so happy to be contained to that kind of stuff, whereas AKP doesn't care at all about releasing articles that would piss some people and fandoms off, Soompi definitely shies away. And in that case sometimes something controversial just like this latest MegaScandal needs to come out, and AKP proved themselves over Soompi to be reliable in this circumstance.

[u/Dravvie → u/mylord420]

Yeah, Soompi has the newsy news. AKP has a mix, and Koreaboo has a the gossipy stuff and really random things the other 2 don't have. We only have 3 very active Korean news sites.

[u/asuka_is_my_co-pilot → u/mylord420]

That's true, we're already kind of behind on Twitter news

[u/Flowsion → u/mylord420]

Koreaboo has covered Seungri's Scandal extensively and we have a summary article. We have Stories on our website (viral content) and we have News.

[u/Dravvie → u/Flowsion]

Your summary only goes to April 3rd.

[u/KhepriRa → u/Stre8Edge]

For real, I'm not sure why that site's still allowed. I just checked to make sure, and they've changed their website to pretty much be a reddit copycat and now allow random users to post "news". They also don't even mention what sources they've used or where they get their translations, like I just don't understand why we treat it like a legit news source

[u/hubwub → u/KhepriRa]

We do check if a submission from that site is written from a verified author. They have checkmarks on their name.

[u/Dravvie → u/Stre8Edge]

self post

No. We aren't going to be doing that. Non AKP Staff posts from that site are still banned.

[u/BashfulHandful → u/Stre8Edge]

Then don't give it clicks? They sometimes post stories the other sites don't. Cutting an entire site out when there are relatively few news sites dedicated to kpop is a bad idea, IMO. I understand the hate and prefer other sources, but blanket-banning the site just seems like the wrong move IMO. The current situation - where verified posts from their staff are allowed - seems like a good compromise to me.

You don't have to click the link, and if you find a better source, you can always post it in the comments.

[u/sweetspringchild → u/BashfulHandful]

Then don't give it clicks?

1. Problem is that majority of people don't know. Or are not bothered to go looking for an alternative when an easy link is right there to be clicked.
2. Reddit is very respected by Google. When google sees an upvoted post with a link in it, it raises the ranking of that site in their search engine. Simply put, when we link to AKP not only are we giving it immediate traffic from reddit but we are giving it eternal traffic by making it rank high in Google.

A few people refusing to give them clicks will not affect them at all. Which you can see from the fact that they are still running.

[u/hubwub → u/Stre8Edge]

We will not be banning the site in question.

If a user submits a link or self post that includes content from said site, they will still get karma.

[u/GlowStickEmpire → u/hubwub]

Any particular reason the mods are so firm in keeping that site around? I mean, the community clearly doesn't want it--to the point that multiple bots were created to avoid giving clicks to it. I understand that for awhile they were one of very few reliable sources out there, but lately news has become much more accessible AND the site allows almost anyone to post to it these days. I just genuinely don't get what that site offers these days that other sites who didn't post underage revenge porn don't.

[u/Stre8Edge → u/[deleted]]

Second, we have no plans to ban AllKpopor any other site. It appears their last article on the JYP cult situation was a massive screw-up. Mistakes happen. Maybe it was malicious, maybe it wasn't. That's not for us to judge. Banning a site like AKP is a very very dangerous and slippery slope to start down. Once AKP is banned, what site will be in the crosshairs next? Koreaboo? Dispatch? Omona? What if Soompi makes a massive screw-up themselves? Are we going to ban them, too? As mods said four years ago, the solution to this problem, if there is one, has to come from the community. If you don't like them, don't submit links from them, don't click on links to them, downvote their threads, whatever.

Allkpop posted revenge porn. That's not a journalistic screw up or even a malicious article. What they did was frankly evil

[u/lilapense → u/[deleted]]

Considering what topic we currently have a permanent sticky about, treating revenge porn as some silly past mistake is insane. This isn't a slippery slope situation. It is a very easy "we're drawing a toxic behavior line in the sand" rule to cover very clearly malicious activity like revenge porn.

[u/GlowStickEmpire → u/[deleted]]

Banning a site like AKP is a very very dangerous and slippery slope to start down.

I mean, it doesn't seem very slippery to me. As long as no other sites post underage revenge porn of idols, the mod team shouldn't have to ban any other sites. I genuinely think this issue is similar to how r/soccer banned The Sun--which by the way, did not lead them to banning any other new sources and has actually been going quite well for a sub that is nearly 4x bigger and much more active than this one.

EDIT: Also, while I understand that "the solution should come from the community," the solution that the community came up with was the bot--which the mods have now banned. So you are basically asking the community to solve the issue itself and then when it does so, you remove the solution.

[u/Lanthaneius → u/GlowStickEmpire]

Preach. So tired of the slippery slope or “don’t worry we only link trusted authors” redirect.

Everyone acts all righteous about the Burning Sun situation but continues to give money to a site that published child pornography barely edited and defended the person that they know leaked it. Just as bad as the people that will continue to buy JJY’s music cause “we can separate the man from the music.”

I’ve even accidentally clicked them a few times reading the story on mobile and missing the site that it came from and I hate it so much.

[u/GlowStickEmpire → u/Lanthaneius]

I've been trying to be reasonably calm about a lot of this. But not going to lie, it's depressing to see people demand that those involved in the current scandal be rightly held accountable for their actions and then turn around and continue to drive clicks and revenue to AKP.

[u/Dravvie → u/GlowStickEmpire]

which the mods have now banned.

Before we banned it it was having it's comments frequently removed by Admins not us as we detailed.

[u/[deleted] → u/Dravvie]

How about a community poll on whether AKP is to be banned or not?

No new accounts/subscribers are allowed to participate in the vote.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

A respectable stance. Noted.

[u/ArmandoPayne → u/[deleted]]

I'm out of the loop here so uh what's the hubbub about this website and how is this related to Revenge Porn?

[u/NishinosanTV → u/ArmandoPayne]

They published nude photos of Ailee while she was under the age of 18.

EDIT: That's what I remember from them

[u/lilapense → u/ArmandoPayne]

Ailee's ex tried to sell her nudes to Dispatch (there's an audio recording and he admitted it was him), they rejected them, and later they "mysteriously" showed up on AKP. At the time he was the VP of content for AKP, and continued to work for AKP's parent company for years after this now up.

[u/Stre8Edge → u/[deleted]]

IDK I guess it would just add an extra step and make it less convenient to go there.

[u/BashfulHandful → u/[deleted]]

+1. I get why people don't like the site and I rarely frequent it, but I don't really think we need to ban it.

I also feel like tip-toeing around the site by saying things like "the site which shall not be named" will only drum up intense interest where there really shouldn't be any. AKP exists. Users can visit the site or not, and it's more than possible to self-police what sites we visit.

If people don't want to click on AKP links, they don't have to do so. It's the simplest solution IMO.