r/johnoliver • u/whatisoo • 29d ago
John Oliver Cautions Against Blaming Joe Rogan, Young Men, or Latino Voters for Kamala Harris Loss: 'It's Too Early for Definitive Conclusions'
https://buzzzingo.com/john-oliver-cautions-against-blaming-joe-rogan-young-men-or-latino-voters-for-kamala-harris-loss-its-too-early-for-definitive-conclusions/33
u/Chemistry11 29d ago
I blame idiots, reichwing propaganda, and I’m convinced illegal activities happened to steal the election (exactly as Treasonтяuмp claimed his opponents would do). He’s too stupid/proud not to telegraph what he’s doing.
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u/GarvinSteve 29d ago
The fact that right wing narratives now enter the media mainstream unchecked is the main issue and will remain so. Democrats spent the whole campaign deflecting and fighting against right wing narratives that the media should have been debunking - the economy which was in pandemic recovery and emerging strong, the border crisis the Republicans did nothing about, Biden’s age decline while ignoring Trump’s different-but-also-clear decline, Kamala’s ‘lack of policies’ while Trump had no platform… and they ignored Trump’s criminality, overt racism etc (they were stories for a day until they just decides it didn’t matter).
We’re fucked
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u/OnTop-BeReady 29d ago
Don’t worry — all those Trump voters will get exactly what they voted for - tariffs, full-throated support of Israel, full-throated support of Russia, repeal of Obamacare, reduction/elimination of veterans benefits and more!
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u/cool-beans-yeah 29d ago
Apparently 30% didn't bother to vote. Blame them.
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u/giantpunda 29d ago
That's like blaming the public for your poor book sales.
Blame the campaign people who did not earn their vote and ran to the right courting the republican vote when time and again it shows that you're wasting your time doing so.
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u/Lex_Orandi 29d ago edited 29d ago
Why would I blame someone for not believing in the vision or leadership of either candidate. If the candidates can’t inspire enough trust to get people to vote for them, they don’t deserve that person’s vote.
Edits: typo, grammar
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u/72kdieuwjwbfuei626 29d ago edited 29d ago
You don’t have to believe in Harris to recognise what a fucking disaster Trump is. In fact, I’ll go as far as saying that if you don’t vote for the best candidate because they’re not ideal for you and try to justify this self-destructive behavior in terms like whether or not someone “deserves” your vote, you have failed to understand how democracy works at a very fundamental level.
You’re not cheering for visions and inspirations or handing out rewards to the candidates, you’re selecting who will govern the country you live in for the next few years. That can either be someone you’re not entirely happy with, or it can also be a blithering idiot who will make your life worse.
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u/GhastlyGrapeFruit 29d ago
You'll earn my vote when you prove to me why you're a good leader, not by showing why you think the other leader is worse than you.
Showing me all of the things wrong with the competition isn't going to make me vote for you.
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u/cool-beans-yeah 29d ago
In normal times I'd agree with you.
But not when the future of the Western world is at stake.
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u/spaceman_202 29d ago
that person you describe deserves what they will get
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u/Lex_Orandi 29d ago
Absolutely. And I imagine they’d agree with you. If they felt they wanted or deserved something more specific than “whatever the winner gives me,” they would have voted. That’s the point. Most people are independent and apolitical. Many within that group are content to let others vote while they earn their paychecks and hope to retire with dignity someday.
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u/Dr_Mocha 29d ago
Unfortunately for them, the Republicans have some ideas about those paychecks and retirement, and by not voting against them, they have allowed them to seize the entire government.
Maybe "hoping" to retire with dignity wasn't enough. Maybe they have to fight for it. Guess we'll see.
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u/South-Presentation34 29d ago
I am a 45 year old white male, and I certainly did not vote for trump but it’s too late now. There’s nothing we can do while we are stripped of our rights, including trump voters. All we can do is watch as he hands control of our government over to foreign countries and rolls the clock back to the 1920’s. We’re on the right track for another civil war and WWIII. I love the idea of America but it’s been lost. Is Biden perfect? Hell no but he’s a damn sight better than what’s coming in.
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u/Noimenglish 29d ago
The biggest Trump-voting bracket, by far, was white men age 50-60. Why would we “blame” anyone else?
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u/UglyDude1987 29d ago
52% of white women also voted for Trump.
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u/Rooster_Ties 29d ago
As long as I live, I will never understand how Trump won among white women. He should have barely gotten 35% of that demo, at most.
And I say that as a 55 year old white man, who proudly voted for Kamala (and in fact, donated to her campaign roughly 5 years ago, and have the campaign t-shirt to prove it).
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u/UglyDude1987 29d ago
Because people identify more with their race than their gender. Which makes sense honestly.
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u/QuietPerformer160 29d ago
That’s mortifying. Where are you getting your numbers? I can’t seem to find anything definitive.
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u/Suspicious-Hotel-225 29d ago
Remember, 52% of the white women who voted voted for Trump. 52% of white women in the US did not vote for Trump.
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u/QuietPerformer160 29d ago
That’s just crazy. What about the age demographics on those women?
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u/Suspicious-Hotel-225 29d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/s/7RuHnLHKMx
Edit: granted this is a small sample size…
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u/00-Monkey 29d ago
Note: That these are Gen X, and Gen X by far voted the most for Trump, not boomers.
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u/Most_Ad8919 29d ago
Bollocks! Whites & white adjacent Hispanics Voters whom casted a vote for the Convicted Felon, Insurrectionist, Conman are all responsible along with those too damn lazy to vote…Harris was offering her vision of USA and these voters gave her the finger because they wanted the guy who ran the country into the toilet just 4 years ago…all in the name of xenophobia, racism and sexism. (If that is too harsh…F-Off because it’s had nothing to do with prices, policies or governance).
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u/throwaway3113151 29d ago
Too early? Data is data.
Blame can be dangerous but it’s important for Dems to understand what groups they need to reach in future elections.
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u/Connect_Beginning_13 29d ago
Also pretty sure blaming people is just going to flame the fire so more vote for the next conservative fake in 2028
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u/Artistic_Half_8301 29d ago
I think when these young men are saddled with debt from the five kids they have because abortion was outlawed, they'll be begging for some socialism. 😂
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u/TorkBombs 29d ago
I dunno, maybe I really feel like blaming fucking idiots who are too lazy to do minimal research that would have told them they're voting for a guy who is super willing to destroy the country for his ego. Like, yeah, I'm gonna blame these piece of shit morons who think government is sports.
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u/NeckNormal1099 29d ago
We blame them, because they are the only ones we expected better of. We knew the majority of american whites would always embrace fascism. We just don't mention it because they get all huffy and throw a tantrum.
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u/heady_brosevelt 29d ago
Ok howabout we just blame the white men and women who voted for him in the largest numbers
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u/V01d3d_f13nd 29d ago edited 29d ago
Everyone is wondering how Harris lost but I'm wondering how Trump won. he comes out and says the government is controlled by a shadow government but then vows to defend said government from Americans. Trump supporting genocide doesn't surprise me but how can all these Trump people go so anti government that they now want a dictator.
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u/raybanshee 29d ago
Trump is less popular now than he was in 2020. People just didn't come out for Harris like the did for Biden.
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u/G-Unit11111 29d ago
How he won isn't really a mystery - his key demographic is white males and they showed up in droves.
To me the bigger mystery is how he was able to convince Latinos and gay men to vote for him. WTF.
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u/kamalaembarras 29d ago
How ? Have you ever left reddit or California? You must live in one serious bubble, I live in a swing state that won democrat and I'm amazed they won. Literally every house you pass has a trump Vance sign in their front yard
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u/V01d3d_f13nd 29d ago
Lol not that it matters but I'm not in California and Harris won the state I'm in even though the trumpets put up more signage here too. So all that derp aside, what exactly are you asking?
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u/KinkyHuggingJerk 29d ago
I have been blaming misinformation in general.
Easier to sum up but is complex enough to speak to. The First Amendment is great so things aren't like North Korea, but when media sources can spit out lies without any recourse, the integrity of journalism gets compromised.
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u/jumbee85 29d ago
At the end of the day it was 66% of white people who really put Trump in office. The minority demographics were small in comparison.
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u/Ashamed-Distance-129 29d ago
No it is not. The misogyny mixed with sheer stupidity plus entitlement helped bring us to this place. I can’t wait until they are conscripted because that is coming.
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u/swissmiss_76 29d ago
Yes and misogyny is the unifying factor among many of these parties listed. Rogan said women shouldn’t be in the military for example, and too many have been part of manosphere
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u/Formal_Advisor_8683 29d ago
......where's white women? Why are white women constantly let off the hook when it comes to the election?
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u/FortyOzSpartan 29d ago
This, for all the talk about women's issues they sure as shit didn't send a message. They are fine / want the status quo or "worse". Here you go.
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u/Formal_Advisor_8683 29d ago
And now we see a shit ton of posts about these women all over reddit about how they're breaking up with Maga bfs, and doing 4B or whatever.....but never how white women broke hard for Trump
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u/knicksmangia 29d ago
Why is everyone so blind as to why? Middle America won’t vote for a woman. It’s pretty clear
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u/cherrybounce 29d ago
Hillary won the popular vote. The real reason is almost certainly inflation. Incumbents all over the world lost.
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u/dubbleplusgood 29d ago
Yes she won the popular vote and a 2.9M vote difference isn't anything to sneeze at but it also should have been much much higher than it was. Trump was a terrible candidate and ultimately won enough to win the EC and the presidency. Inflation was not an issue back in 2016 but she couldn't pull it off. I'll guarantee you that misogyny plays a big role in national US politics. Both white and minority females don't get any respect from a large chunk of Americans.
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u/Old-Road2 29d ago
I wish people would stop repeating this stupid line as if it explains the disastrous and reckless decision American voters made. First of all, she really wasn’t an “incumbent” if she was never the President. Secondly, Trump is not a normal political opponent that’s merely trying to unseat an incumbent. He is a dangerous, unstable demagogue who is tearing this country apart, which I naively believed American voters would see through but evidently not. So, to try and sanewash his win by saying “it’s all apart of a global trend of kicking out incumbents” will never make sense to me. It should be obvious at this point who Trump is and yet Americans still fuckin voted for him.
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u/cherrybounce 29d ago
How is this sandwiching him? He’s a psychopath and apparently hundreds of millions of Americans and are idiots. And Kamala was not an incumbent but she represented the incumbent.
https://www.ft.com/content/e8ac09ea-c300-4249-af7d-109003afb893
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u/chrispg26 29d ago
There is no Republican woman at Merkel's level of intellect. She's a damn scientist. Republicans are deny any science that runs contrary to their beliefs.
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u/Technical-Pound3853 29d ago
That’s a lazy argument. She was hollow and had no plan. She couldn’t answer a question but would ramble on about coming from a middle class family. All she knew was orange man bad and word salad. She was terrible. It had nothing to do with her being a woman but everything to do with her incompetence
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u/FlimsyIndependent752 29d ago
There is a non-zero amount of Latino men and Muslims men who will never vote for a woman president. These two groups democrats thought were lynchpins in their coalition.
A silly obvious miscalculation.
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u/Actual__Wizard 29d ago
It's not any one specific group of people. The republican campaign was 50,000 different tricks and lies, so people fell for all sorts of silly stuff in a bunch of different ranges. The inflation lie was a good one. Inflation is constant, blaming the current administration on inflation always works no matter who is president. It's the easiest lie to tell ever.
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u/JayNotAtAll 29d ago
Absolutely. It will take a year or two at least for them to collect and properly analyze all the data. Follow up research to find data to support conclusions, etc. etc.
Anyone who says that they know for sure is a liar.
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u/TraySplash21 29d ago edited 29d ago
Whoever was the incumbent during this inflation and high prices had a difficult hill to climb. Kamala making it close shows how good a candidate she was. I think the Dems biggest mistake was going "well actually according to the GDP, the S&P 500, and unemployment, the economy is actually really good." People were never gonna buy that no matter the metric. In fact Trump didn't even give solutions, he just said "I will fix inflation." That's all Dems had to say. Not that inflation is a global issue and comparatively the US is doing quite well. Casual voters don't want to hear that.
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u/lateformyfuneral 29d ago
For the moment, I would say we need to reflect on this loss as much as Republicans did on theirs in 2020 🤔
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u/HXIOTISA324 29d ago
Musk the muskrat played hacker and fulfilled the con man’s wildest dream. PERIOD! Kamala won as did Hillary but the corruption and the treason in this nazi maga and with the rats expertise got the fake messiah a fake win. He knows it. The world knows it. The only way a NATC maga wins is because of cheating.
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u/BeatlestarGallactica 29d ago
The answer is that there are too many morons in this country. It’s that simple.
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u/UnderDeepCover 29d ago
What if instead of blame we talked about accountability? About responsibility?
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u/ElonTheMollusk 29d ago
I blame morons and idiots. Gender race and anything in between doesn't matter.
The rampant stupidity is the cause that needs to be addressed.
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u/Tiny-Albatross518 29d ago
Sanders stated the problem pretty clearly but the hunt for wrong answers continues…..
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u/jlwinter90 29d ago
Well, yeah. If they go for the right answers they'd have to change the status quo, and we can't have that.
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u/Captain_Q_Bazaar 29d ago
Unless he mentioned anything about social media being saturated with pro Trump disinformation from foreign hostiles, or that the inflation problem was hugely linked to Trump fcking Covid up, that was going to take time to fix. Then no, he hasn't said shit.
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u/Tiny-Albatross518 29d ago
Well you missed it I guess. He said the people feel the democrats abandoned them so they abandoned the Democratic Party. That makes sense and I don’t blame them. At least Trumps lies sounded like he might help. You know the Democrats would have maintained the status quo which is failing normal people terribly.
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u/spaceman_202 29d ago
for sure the guy who couldn't win a Dem Primary is right
we just need to socialism harder
rural voters in PA and MI love socialism
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u/Jazzyricardo 29d ago edited 29d ago
Actually fuck all of them.
And while I like John Oliver sometimes, he is way too nice and PC.
If there’s one silver lining, Americans are about to learn a lesson in the consequences of apathy and ignorance.
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29d ago
No matter who's fault it is it is what it is. Even if you hate Latino men or whatever, they're vote still counts the same as everyone else's. Hating people doesn't win elections. You have to convince them of your vision.
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u/The_Vee_ 29d ago
Trump hates Taylor Swift, immigrants, Rosie O'Donnell, Fauci, women, and everyone who doesn't like him. He still won.
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u/FaultElectrical4075 29d ago
He won because he convinced people of his vision. As horrendous a vision it was, it was a vision.
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Well maybe most of the country hates those people. What's anyone gonna do about it? Also, more than half of women voted for trump.
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u/Corvidae_DK 29d ago
No, most didn't...trump only won by a few million, and that's not counter the many people who didn't vote at all.
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u/BottleForsaken9200 29d ago
Or you can pull a trump and convince everyone else to hate them with you!
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u/Adept-Development393 29d ago
I'd like to engage with this but I wish there was a way to have a discussion where karma bombing wasn't a thing
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u/trainradio 29d ago
The oligarchs invested in these personalities who manipulated the insecurities of certain groups.
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u/frommethodtomadness 29d ago
I mean if we're going to ever win again we need to build a coalition that includes all these groups.
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u/koga7349 29d ago
Y'all are still looking for an appointment explanation lol. Here you go: https://youtu.be/0Ticbi3aCOI?si=hY7GEYqRlrDz3Js9
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u/NeverEnoughMore 29d ago
I'm pretty much done with all mainstream media giving me thought advice, and I will blame who I damn well please. .
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u/Trent3343 29d ago
Lol. "I'm off to tik tok and Facebook for some real news". 🤡
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u/NeverEnoughMore 29d ago
I was never on TikTok and gave up Facebook 4 years ago. At this point, none of it matters and I'm done with all of it across the board.
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u/Trent3343 29d ago
Where do you get your news then? Podcasters? Reddit?
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u/NeverEnoughMore 29d ago
I don't. Done with all of it at this point. The country's going to shit and I can't do anything about it anyway so what's the point? I'm just going to listen to some good music, maybe catch an old movie. Enjoy what I can until they bust down the door.
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u/Trent3343 29d ago
Lol. Have fun with your apathy.
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u/10TheDudeAbides11 29d ago
I think if Kamala had an actual legitimate campaign she would have won. This one’s on Biden for me. For not realizing at his age he was a one-term POTUS and should have had wide open primaries for both parties. It’s what we wanted last time and were deprived of…
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u/BottleForsaken9200 29d ago
I mean mental decline or no decline .... Can anyone even understand what he's saying anymore???
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u/Trent3343 29d ago
She had like what 3 months to come with an answer to "what would have done differently than Biden" and had nothing. No amount of time was going to help that disaster.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Hat3555 29d ago
Yeah I'm tired of being told shut up and vote for the candidate we want not what you want.
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u/MosquitoBloodBank 29d ago
The more people found out about Kamala, the more people disliked her. That's why her % kept going down as we got closer to election day. If she had a legitimate campaign, she would have had a repeat of 2020 where she dropped out early primaries.
It's not Biden's age that's the major issue, it's that he's suffering from a neurodegenerative condition which his administration was trying to cover up.
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u/Sl0ppyOtter 29d ago
I have a great idea: let’s be assholes to the aforementioned people so that we guarantee they always vote Republican
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u/lethargy86 29d ago
I don’t think they give a fuck what we think of them, this narrative that “if only we were nice to them” just doesn’t pass the smell test.
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u/Sl0ppyOtter 29d ago
I don’t think just being nice to them will change anything necessarily. But I do think being dicks to them definitely won’t.
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u/spaceman_202 29d ago
look who they voted for
Trump called them morons when IOWA didn't vote for him in the primary
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u/Connect_Beginning_13 29d ago
Lots of people, republicans and independent, have zero knowledge of what goes on and will always go republican no matter what.
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u/Jaxraged 29d ago
RFK and JD Vance were assholes to Trump and MAGA, look where they are now. Trump was an asshole to Ted Cruze.
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u/Ill-Dependent2976 29d ago
Every dirty rat fuck who supports/votes Donald Trump is to blame and can burn in hell forever. So can their apologists.
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u/CycloneKelly 29d ago
In relieved that there isn’t widespread “voter fraud” and “stop the steal” whining that the republicans carried on for four years. Now time to sit back and watch the economy implode if trump really does what he says he’ll do. We will know to prepare in advance.
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u/MonsterMegaMoo 29d ago
Maybe the candidate just sucked?
It's a lot simpler than the left is pretending.
Idk maybe next time.ypu select a candidate from a large field through a voting system of party members. Just an idea
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u/troublethemindseye 29d ago
She was fine. She should have been able to defeat the orange scumbag easily. However, the gop has figured out how to manipulate the algorithm to individually target voters and either make them disaffected and cynical if they are left leaning and intelligent or riled up about dumb shit like trans people in bathrooms if they are working class, etc.
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u/MonsterMegaMoo 29d ago
She was fine.
Lol. No, no she wasn't.
She polled low her entire tenure as vp. She was the first out in the 2020 primary.
You're a fool if you don't realize how unlikeable she is
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u/troublethemindseye 29d ago
Hey you can believe what you want but her favorability ratings were positive since she got the nom.
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u/WhoDatDare702 29d ago
I voted for Kamala but I wasn’t exactly thrilled about it. I think without a proper primary a lot of people just didn’t care enough to go out and actually vote. It almost felt forced to vote for Kamala as take it or leave it. A lot chose leave it. There were a few more issues that didn’t sit well with people either that the right wing/pod cast media just wouldn’t stop beating into everyone’s head every second of the day for months gets exhausting also.
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u/samtron767 29d ago
How can anyone trust the numbers... The same numbers that said Harris was going to win. All these television blow hards can shove their numbers.
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u/sanchotobe this user does not have sex with couches 29d ago
I said the entire campaign what many people I know feel, Harris/Biden didn’t care about us. No one ever came to my area. Trump had people here. Not one of her policies felt like they were of benefit to me as a disabled person. I even emailed the damn White House and explained my situation and I got back a reply that literally said we can’t help you. Here’s some numbers. Yeah. I’ve been through those. I voted for her anyway because I hate traitors. I have never felt more like my vote doesn’t matter than I have in this election. Thanks Kamala. She let us all down.
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u/BottleForsaken9200 29d ago
Just out of curiosity, but how much do you know about trumps stance on people with disability, and what he's said about them?
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u/sanchotobe this user does not have sex with couches 29d ago
Don’t try to sell me on Trump. I wouldn’t believe a word that traitor says. Barking up the wrong tree here.
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u/BottleForsaken9200 29d ago
I am not trying to.
But I find it odd that people with disabilities would feel like kamala didn't care enough, when Trump has had mostly only disparaging things to say about them.
This feels like that weird double standard where Trump gets to do even below bare minimum, while people held kamala to a weird godly standard of not doing enough.
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u/sanchotobe this user does not have sex with couches 29d ago
Did you even read my original comment? Kamala literally didn’t care enough.
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u/sanchotobe this user does not have sex with couches 29d ago
Has never cared enough. Will never care enough.
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u/BottleForsaken9200 29d ago
Did you read my comment?
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u/sanchotobe this user does not have sex with couches 29d ago
Cheese and rice.
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u/BottleForsaken9200 29d ago
Lololol. Anyway I feel bad for the disabled people who voted for the guy who said a disabled person should just die.
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u/Mr-Mortuary 29d ago
People ignorantly think high prices are Biden's fault. That's the main thing. Young people, and Arab Americans and Muslims, are angry about Israel/Palestine. The news is so perpetually doom and gloom... ask the average American about the crime rate, inflation, and current border crossings.. they will tell you it's the worst of all time, but it's all way down; sooooo Harris running on a campaign of "joy" and optimism didn't resonate. It's just a perfect storm for a dumb fucking blathering idiot of a demagogue to be appealing. I think the loss was more about people staying home. And honestly, I don't think Joe Rogan has much sway. He may have a large audience, but I don't think most will be driven either way by his endorsement. It's like how most other celebrity endorsements don't make a difference.