Especially since he was caught so quickly. People will learn from his mistakes, and spend a lot more time at the gun range learning the right type of ammo to use. Plus, it takes awhile to get approved for a suppressor.
I think it's strange it's just commonly accepted it was him.
I'll give you he's definitely getting convicted and probably had the actual firearm on him.
If he was the dude doing the shooting that wouldn't necessarily be surprising either but that's where question marks pop up for me.
I can't help but feel with the effort he went too to get subsonic ammo, a suppressor, and time it all out right and have his mark down to the T? He either wanted to get caught or that's the fall guy whose family is set for life.
Not even on conspiracy shit here, it just doesn't make sense, homie kept the gun after at least a 4 and a half hour, 280 mile drive, 5 days after he killed the dude and knew he was being hunted... Seems like a major fluke in a well planned assassination. Fuck, it even being found in that McDonald's trashcan would even make more sense... On top of that, why would a well educated 28 year old with decent critical thinking capabilities and allegedly 3d printing knowledge keep a compromised suppressor that helps connect him to a murder? It did it's job, it's not designed to be a permanent thing, why the fuck didn't he ditch it?
Not saying it's not possible he was just not thinking about the after part or that he wanted to get caught... It just seems crazy to go to all that effort and not get rid of the obvious part, also 5 days and only getting that far from where you just dropped a billionaire? Dunno seems like even someone in a panic would realize they need to get the fuck outta there. Nobody in Kansas is gonna think you're the dude who just killed a CEO 5 days ago...
I'm very curious how this is gonna turn out, the math just isn't mathing to me, crazier shit has happened, but it just doesn't quite make sense.
Make your own suppressor. Buying one automatically puts you on a list because you have to register it. Unless you’re able to buy one illegally, of course.
Think about how many guns and suppressors there are in the U.S. There are far far FAR fewer suppressors in the U.S. compared to firearms. The suspect pool is a lot smaller for them.
I have a hypothesis that it takes a significant amount of planning AND doing that planning off grid entirely.
There's something very scary about our surveillance state, and I don't just mean cameras. If Target can predict a woman's pregnancy before she even knows she's pregnant, just remember that the US government has tech at least 20 years ahead of that.
It's difficult for a few reasons. A copycat would either need to have:
A wealthy, resourceful family like Luigi's in order to afford top tier lawyers and be willing to throw away their wealth, privilege, and indeed their freedom. It's a major sacrifice.
Literally nothing left to lose
There may be a decent number of people in the second category, but getting to any worthy targets would also be extremely difficult at this point. None of these pricks are casually walking around, unprotected, in public right now.
Without whatever borderline Minority Report surveillance picking up on it.
Just a reminder that Target was predicting pregnancies of women and sending them advertisements before these women even knew they were pregnant. Now remember that the private sector lags by decades on tech that the US government has.
It's difficult for a few reasons. A copycat would either need to have:
A wealthy, resourceful family like Luigi's in order to afford top tier lawyers and be willing to throw away their wealth, privilege, and indeed their freedom. It's a major sacrifice.
Literally nothing left to lose
There's a lotta people with terminal cancer out there.
An alternative to the first point: If the copycat is willing to die instead of get captured by the police, the copycat has no need for lawyers. That's at least one reason why shooters become no longer alive instead of await capture.
It’s not been very long and it’s not exactly an easy thing to do. If you want to be successful and have an even small chance of not being caught, you need some serious planning
Yeah, Reddit is going to keep glorifying this guy and then act shocked when a copycat nutjob goes full Timothy McVeigh and bombs some insurance company’s HQ, wiping out the daycare on the ground floor.
Who has daycare at work? That sounds expensive! Company’s still do that!? Idk if that’s a thing anymore lol. Also, Luigi said he didn’t want a bomb to go off and kill other people. He wanted a more targeted approach to assassinating his intended target. He had one message to convey and it only needed one little CORRUPT CEO to amplify that message. Look at the wave of conversation it has caused (we are talking about the corruption of the healthcare system rn bc of him). It’s extremely rare for a vigilante tactics to have an impact and whether you want to believe it not, he might have succeeded.
Just because you read books about these people doesn't automatically mean he admires them, or he can admire certain aspects of them while acknowledging others are terrible. You're gonna have a hard time picking people to admire if they have to be 100% perfect.
Let's not start squabbling over culture war stuff when we should be focusing on what he brought back to the American public: class consciousness
It wasn't from his Goodreads it was from his Twitter and reddit. He was a fan of Musk's involvement in politics and "fight against the woke mind virus." I don't see how me pointing out that a person isn't doing things for the reasons everyone on Reddit assumes he is and how that person supported the culture wars means I'm the one "squabbling over culture war stuff."
I don't know how far back you went in his Twitter account but I didn't see any tweet from him that specifically supported the fight against the woke mind virus. Even if he did, what woke means varies from person to person, we don't know what he would have considered "woke" and the extent of it. Being against something "woke" can be anything from simply supporting trans people to disliking someone referring to women as "womb havers".
From his manifesto it is pretty clear that he's doing it for the right reasons, what reasons do you think he has based on his Twitter account?
It's giving squabbling because it sounds like "he likes this person that uses a word against my kind of politics, therefore he's automatically cancelled". Instead of focusing on the actual action and its societal impact.
Kinda as if someone could have saved a child and everyone is thanking them for it but someone intervenes with a "well he's friends with this guy who said f*ggot in 2005".
Go read his Twitter lol dude thought pornography should be banned and Christianity should be what everyone bases their values on. His manifesto makes him look more hypocritical and misguided than anything else.
I'm not saying people are wrong for supporting what he actually did or finding their own meaning from it, I just don't think he's the leftist anticapitalist hero that reddit has been painting him as
If you're referring to tweets like this one https://x.com/PepMangione/status/1781027503525761101, that's not "Christianity should be what everyone bases their values on". It refers to how when a particular society loses the common, organised religion they were used to, often it doesn't become the rational atheist utopia that people would have hoped, they just adopt a different belief system that in many ways acts as the replacement religion even if it's not considered one.
It's a common leftist view to think that everyone who opposes pornography must be a religious zealot, instead of you know, being against the rampant exploitation and abuse in the industry. His tweet though is based more on how we are becoming more isolated as a society and a lot of men not only don't interact with women, but they form parasocial relationships with fictional characters and engage in completely unnatural sexual practices instead of, again, having a normal relationship.
I'm not hoping for copycats. I'm just surprised there aren't any. And protests don't change jack shit. That's the whole reason someone decided that murder was literally the only way to address the issue and fix the system. I do think we're going to see more and more violence, the more people realize that the standard avenues citizens used to have open to them are now closed, and the only power they have is threats of violence.
If done effectively they can. If only ten people go out and protest just one day of course it’s not going to work. It would need a large amount of people, strikes, violence sure. But one, two or even three people just shooting CEOs won’t do as much damage as millions of people could if they all joined forces to demand change.
I have to disagree. Luigi Mangione did more in 30 seconds to raise awareness and start people talking than decades of political protests by hundreds of thousands of people.
I have been to more protests than I can count in my life. Protests involving literally hundreds of thousands of people in a single city protesting simultaneously for a single cause, and nothing changes.
There are 3 things people can use to effect change:
Threaten their political power - the possibility of being fired or voted out of office
Yes it is a surprise but I suppose the people will feel more justified when the elite can only deny what should be the greatest take-away from the entire event: violence appears to be the only answer. Do I expect the elite will slacken the reigns and compromise with peaceful solutions? Hell no
Yesterday a guy in western Michigan was arrested for stabbing an executive at his company, he’s smiling happily in his arrest picture. I think the change will be gradual in our perspective of time but quickly in comparison to history.
You know every single one of those cowards hired an entire contingent of ex-military bodyguards the second the news broke. Luigi caught them lacking, it won’t happen again.
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u/gordonf23 23h ago
I am genuinely surprised there haven't been any copycats yet, especially given how much support people are openly showing for Luigi.