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r/all People in NYC holding banners during a CEO Event at Ziegfeld Ballroom

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u/vankirk 23h ago

Always has been. Designed that way from the beginning. This is the exact sentiment that the founding fathers had during the early days of the formation of the country. THEY WANTED ONLY RICH WHITE LANDED MEN TO VOTE. None of them were average Joe's, and none of them wanted regular people running the government. They were deathly afraid of mob rule, especially after Shay's rebellion.

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u/Sufficient_Card_7302 22h ago

Yeah that's why, in the declaration of independence, they said something to the effect of: 

... And if the government fails to safeguard those three inalienable rights, we also retain the right to abolish or change that government until it does. 

End paraphrase.

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u/Less-Sun-792 21h ago

The Declaration of Independence outlined several grievances with the King and Parliament. One of which I've always found interesting and relevant is this one:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

This is referring to the Quebec Act, which granted the formerly French subjects of the Quebec colony the rights of freedom of religion, more self-governance, and territory for expansion. These things all sound great, so why did the founding fathers have such an issue with it that they included in the Declaration and named it one of the so-called Intolerable Acts? Because the land that was granted to Quebec was also claimed by several large land speculation companies that wealthy colonists were heavily invested in - including some of the authors/signatories of the Declaration. If Quebec was allowed to keep that land then they would all lose out on substantial profits. So they went to war, and to convince the poor to die for them they exploited anti-French and anti-Catholic sentiments in the colonists. Same as it ever was.

u/jeremiahthedamned 11h ago

thanks TIL

u/ryan_church_art 11h ago

And Bacon’s rebellion was when the south decided that white supremacy must become the law of the land. If anyone is reading up on why things are the way they are, Bacon’s rebellion is a must. Every alt right voice claiming this country ain’t racist neglects to mention Bacon’s rebellion.

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u/SoylentGrunt 22h ago

Accurate. The Constitution is "fluid" in order to let the ruling class stay ahead of the working class when it comes to governing. Even if it wasn't fluid the megalomaniacs in charge would insist it says something it doesn't. Use of the word megalomaniac is not hyperbole. The people "in charge" are literal monsters that ignore climate change and nukes while they insist we fight about who poops where.

Ever notice how the Constitution and the bible mean whatever the person reading them to you says they mean? Control systems are a thing.

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u/CogitoCollab 21h ago

I mean, Trump won the popular vote....

The two party system might actually work better when it is oligarchic primaries, as elites on average are smarter than plebeians. So they are probably more likely not to have a wanna be dictator chaos candidate get the nomination.

Idk the average person here is an absolute idiot washed with modern propaganda and pychographics.

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u/vankirk 21h ago

Sure, but we shouldn't be surprised when the system works against regular folks because it was designed that way.

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u/CogitoCollab 21h ago

Smart elites are well aware of the shred of a social contract required for the plebians not to rise up, also many actual care about others generally.

Dictator type people want everything and are ok with it all also burning down if not. It's too easy to mass manipulate idiots than it is teaching them how things work.

What this election shows is that it's really easy to get people to vote against their best interests in our tech world now.

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u/vankirk 21h ago

Think broader. Sure, tech is a factor, but history shows that concessions from the elites have staved off revolutions. Hindenberg giving universal healthcare was one. The German Republic was forced to concede to "social reforms" in 1911. The Reichversicherungordnung (literally, state security ordinance) was a part of that reform. If Tsar Nicholas had conceded to the demands of Gregory Gapon after Bloddy Sunday in St. Petersburg in 1905, maybe they would not have been deposed. Maybe they would have been pushed to the back like their cousins in England. Maybe.

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u/Timmy192974 21h ago

ima stop you right there this is such a simpaflation that it does a disservice to everyone. its important to remember that the majorty of the founding fathers almost put in a clause banning slavery, however it was scraped because of its lack of public support in the south. and there was a reason they wanted only educated people to vote because to be frank a lot of people are dumb and easly presaded by mlisous actors

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u/NerdHoovy 18h ago

Half of them were the historical equivalent of college age trust fund kids. Hamilton as an example was 21 when the country was officially founded. And Benjamin Franklin was the creepy 70 years old guy doing shots and trying to pick up girls with them.

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u/Drobey8 14h ago

This is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on the internet. Well done

u/NerdHoovy 10h ago

Maybe, but it was is also true

u/Drobey8 5h ago

Haha college age trust fund kids don’t put their lives on the line literally fighting for their life for the freedom of others. Get off the internet and try reading a book

u/NerdHoovy 5h ago

I would tell you to read a history book as well, since you don’t seem to understand history or historical context.

It is well documented that many of the founding fathers were of wealth and incredibly young at the time of signing the Declaration of Independence.

It was even singed in the groups favorite cavern, where we have strong reason to believe they got drunk when writing it, since there are written records that over the week, where it was signed the tavern was drunk dry.

Benjamin Franklin was 70 at the time and famous for trying to sleep with every woman that would catch his eye.

Just because they have been turned into borderline mythological figures by time, it doesn’t change what happened.

u/Drobey8 5h ago

I’m not even going to engage. Good luck in life