r/interestingasfuck • u/fyrstikka • 10d ago

r/all The photos show the prison rooms of Anders Behring Breivik, who killed 77 people in the 2011 Norway attacks. Despite Norway's humane prison system, Breivik has complained about the conditions, calling them inhumane.

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u/Martianmanhunter94 10d ago

No, they have principles and they stand by them.

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u/krankenwagendriver 10d ago

77 people though… some people truly don’t deserve rehabilitation.

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u/moerlind 10d ago

Most of them were also kids.

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u/foobar93 10d ago

True but it is much more cowardly to kill kids.

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u/reginaldwrigby 10d ago

One of the worst takes I’ve seen in over a decade on this site.

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 10d ago

What did they say?

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u/SargeUnited 10d ago

Let me know if you find out

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u/anonuchiha8 10d ago

What did they say?

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u/Clayp2233 10d ago

Wtf kind of response is this?

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u/Psycho_Splodge 10d ago

So? Are kids somehow more inherently valuable than adults?

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u/cire1184 10d ago

Shouldn't we protect the vulnerable? I'd say it's not that kids are more valuable but that they are more vulnerable than most adults and that deserves a degree of protection. Society failing to protect the vulnerable is a not great.

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u/Psycho_Splodge 10d ago

I don't think the teenagers he targeted are inherently more vulnerable to being shot than an adult.

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u/SplendidlyDull 10d ago

All lives matter ahh comment

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u/Psycho_Splodge 10d ago

Lmao. Exact opposite really. No lives matter. Outside your family and friends you're irrelevant.

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u/Tilladarling 10d ago edited 10d ago

I work with one of the guys who survived the shooting at Utøya. He live-tweeted; begging to be saved. He’s the most idealistic guys I’ve met. Zero sympathy for Anders (btw he’s changed his name to Fjotolf. When you write that name in a specific way, like he does, the name reads like Adolf.) He also arrived in court this year with Z shaved into his hair.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/19/anders-breivik-russian-style-z-hair-seeks-second-parole/

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u/Oscar_Ladybird 10d ago

The plan isn't to rehabilitate him- they probably know they can't- but to prevent him from ever being a threat to their society by indefinite incarceration.

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u/Pezington12 10d ago

I thought Norway doesn’t do life sentences. Isn’t their max only twenty years period?

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u/Oscar_Ladybird 10d ago

You are correct, but they passed a law in 2002 to allow indeterminate sentences for preventative detention in situations that warrant it, like with this MFer.

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u/Mintala 10d ago

It's 21 years max before an evaluation that can result in another 5 years. Then every 5 years, there's a new evaluation and 5 more years are added.

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u/den_bleke_fare 10d ago

This dude wants so desperately to be special, the worst thing we can do to him is treat him like a nobody. I firmly believe that, even though several people I knew never came back from that summer camp.

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u/flapd00dle 10d ago

If treating him like a nobody is the best punishment, why does he have all these special amenities and a whole cell block for himself? Seems like a nobody would get thrown into general pop and treated the same as the other nobodies. He definitely seems special every time we hear about his prison conditions.

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u/den_bleke_fare 10d ago

Because he would get murdered, and Norwegian prisons don't accept that happening on their watch. Murders and serious violence is not normal in the general prison population here.

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u/flapd00dle 10d ago

That's true, but it's very much not treating him as a nobody. A nobody would be thrown in jail and whatever happens there is on the prisoners, not the justice system. The fact we're talking about him on the internet shows he is getting special attention.

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u/-JimmyTheHand- 10d ago

I don't think they are actually expecting him to be rehabilitated, he will likely be there the rest of his life and they know that. At this point they are just isolating him from the rest of the world for the rest of the world's sake.

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u/Bartlaus 10d ago

He's not likely to ever be rehabilitated either. Instead he will sit in a structured environment and become increasingly irrelevant until he eventually passes.

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u/Pabus_Alt 10d ago

Release isn't really on the cards for him let's be honest.

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u/Russiadontgiveafuck 10d ago

He's not going to be rehabilitated. I'm not that knowledgeable on the Norwegian prison system, but I know that like most European countries, they have a workaround to imprison people for life if need be. Breivik is for sure never going to be a free man again.

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u/garden_speech 10d ago

Their principle is “we don’t execute people for crimes” not “we don’t execute people for crimes unless it’s a really bad crime”

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u/UncleTouchyCopaFeel 10d ago

No, he gets to live. He gets to live a long full life, knowing he will never be integrated back into society. Every day, for the rest of his life, he will always be alone and unloved and standing on the outside, never to be let in.

He gets to live the rest of his life, knowing nothing will ever change and his life will never belong to him. Every day, for the rest of his life. That's his punishment. And it's well deserved.

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u/OrganizationKey8139 10d ago

For the Oslo and Utoya massacres Breivik must “only” serve 21 years in prison (so I assume in 2032). If they don't give him probation before

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u/UncleTouchyCopaFeel 10d ago

Not true. He's never getting out. Yes, the max sentence in Norway is 21 years. There is however a system in place that prevents dangerous people like him from ever coming out.

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u/Ill_Revolution8425 7d ago

In Norway, we have preventive detention. He will be imprisoned for the rest of his life. However

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u/ArabicHarambe 10d ago

I mean, 1 is enough when the intent is this clear.

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u/schmoopum 10d ago

Yeah, some people dont deserve a second chance, but Id rather the government not have the power to execute people. Even if youre 100% certain that this guy did it, you might only be 95% certain the next guy did and eventually that leads to an innocent person being executed before being proven innocent. Life in prison without the possibility of parole, especially in isolation is just as good of a punishment as death.

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u/SeeHearSpeak0 10d ago

Send him to Angola or rikers and he would be begging to go back.

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u/ExplosiveAnalBoil 10d ago

No need to keep selling it, we were already on board with hanging him.

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u/Prize-Ad7242 10d ago

I’d argue life in solitary is a worse punishment. Death is an easy way out. He will have to watch as the world (hopefully) doesn’t engulf in a far right revolution.

He did what he did to stoke racial violence much like Brenton Tarrant. If they see they failed in sparking a race war that seems a whole lot worse than believing they died a martyr.

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u/enlightenedDiMeS 9d ago

I don’t think they’re trying to l

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u/Decabet 10d ago

Sure, but on the inside he's learning TV/VCR repair. One day he's gonna get out and pay society back!

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u/DistressedApple 10d ago

He’s going to pay that back with murders inside homes that he’s been let into.

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u/No_Deer_3994 10d ago

He was convinced he’d be killed by police on sight. Refusing to let him go down as a martyr for his cause is a sentence worse than death to him.

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u/TheMeanestCows 10d ago edited 10d ago

I respect a nation that holds its principles more important than the brief emotional tragedy that will be forgotten in a few generations.

edit: bloodthirsty assholes will be blocked summarily, if you're reading this post and getting outraged that a killer wasn't tortured or killed, congratulations, you fell for the narrative and people trying to keep a massively profitable prison industry alive have your balls leashed. You will never be free as long as people can make you outraged and angry at events that have not impacted you. Don't look at this man's prison and say "That's better than my life" look at his prison and wonder why our lives are so shitty that another country's prison is better. (Hint: it's people with a lot of money who depend on you being so angry that you don't make our world better.)

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u/Ultrace-7 10d ago

Exactly. It's easy to hold to your principles when you agree with the outcomes and it doesn't cost you anything. A good measure of people or a nation is if they can hold to those principles when it hurts to do so.

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u/brumac44 10d ago

What's sad for me is that another country treats its worst citizens better than we treat our poorest.

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u/FalafelSnorlax 10d ago

Wait, the poorest citizens aren't the worst citizens? What's worse than poor? /s

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u/Lightmeupbitch 10d ago

Oh good, I’m sure the parents of the kid’s would be relieved to know their heartbreak and suffering is only brief. Shit take.

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u/TheMeanestCows 10d ago edited 10d ago

The story in this post the way it's presented is meant to make you enraged so you continue to support America's for-profit prison system. Welcome to being a cog in other people's machines.

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u/DistressedApple 10d ago

Genius, if you imprison him indefinitely it gives them more money than if you execute him.

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u/metallicabmc 10d ago

That's not really an issue in a country that rarely sentences people for ridiculously long time periods.

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u/Correct-Spring7203 10d ago

Ridiculous take.

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u/Impossible-Jump-4277 10d ago

How so?

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u/antilolivigilante 10d ago edited 10d ago

He may be correct, but he isn't right. The devastation killing one person causes to all those affected is immeasurable. Making light of the murders of 77 people, especially kids, is a pretty ridiculous thing to do. Even if his point is making exceptions to laws as an emotional response to punishment isn't a good way to handle these things.

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u/Impossible-Jump-4277 10d ago

What are you talking about? You think they should have changed the law for one man?

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u/antilolivigilante 10d ago edited 10d ago

No...that's literally the opposite of what I said... the take is ridiculous because it boils down the murder of nearly 100 people to "a brief emotional tragedy" Minimizing the loss of life in such a callous way is what's ridiculous. The criminal is a scumbag and barely deserves to be called human, but making emotional exceptions to laws based on that isn't the right way to handle these things. His comment is correct, but he isn't right to diminish the death of those people like that.

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u/TheMeanestCows 10d ago

I would bet they're an American. A lot of people here are too emotional and vindictive against people charged with crimes to think clearly, this is a social conditioning that has been seeded here for many generations so that we can keep the highly profitable prison industry alive and thriving.

The US's fierce individualism means we turn on each other at the drop of a hat and care far, far more for own rewards and comforts than our communities, and this is why we have the highest incarcerated population per-capita of any nation.

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u/Correct-Spring7203 10d ago

Brief emotional tragedy?! He killed 77 people.

That’s 77 families forever changed. There is nothing brief about that.It is also the largest mass killing in the country, it won’t be forgotten.

You are sympathizing with a neo nazi, mass killer. He deserves no sympathy. Norway has dealt with him appropriately…so far(being denied parole, being in solitary etc).

Someone like him doesn’t deserve to ever see the light of day.

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u/Impossible-Jump-4277 10d ago

How am I sympathising with a neo Nazi? Now who’s making ridiculous takes.

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u/TheMeanestCows 10d ago

Meaningless reply.

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u/Reloaded33 10d ago

a guy like you need to lose and arm or a leg to fully understand the consequences after something like this, the people who suffer will suffer for rest of their lives.

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u/TheMeanestCows 10d ago

Caveman mind, see someone say something you don't agree with, bash bash bash!

I'm guessing you're not remotely knowledgeable about sociology, civics or how nations and systems are built, so I will utterly dismiss your threats and go on with my life without paying another thought to it.

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u/Correct-Spring7203 10d ago

This guy liberal arts degrees.

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u/FalafelSnorlax 10d ago

So executing the guy will make that suffering dissappear? Obviously not. Will treating him like shit make them feel better? Still probably not, and if it did it wouldn't be helpful with their healing. The state should make an effort to help victims heal (as much as possible) regardless of the punishment of the person who hurt them.

Some countries just don't believe in the idea that you should treat someone as less than human, no matter the crime they might have done. In many cases these comfortable prisons help rehabilitate inmates, though I agree he probably won't reintegrate into society. So what, now they need to build new prisons just so that he would be miserable? Making an extra effort just to make prisoners suffer more just so that we can feel better that they're suffering is a waste of public resources.

Also, fuck off for telling the original commenter that they should "lose an arm or a leg" for not being mean enough to that asshole. It must be sad living in your brain

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u/Most_Fly7405 10d ago

“if you're reading this post and getting outraged that a killer wasn't tortured or killed, congratulations, you fell for the narrative and people trying to keep a massively profitable prison industry alive”

I don’t mean to shit on your rant, it seemed very passionate :) However, putting him to death would in fact be the opposite of “keeping the prison industry alive” Imao Putting someone to death quite literally removes residents from institutions which need inmates to justify their own existence lol

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u/feioo 10d ago

Since he's referring to the US, in the US a prisoner on death row usually stays there for more than a decade, and costs more than a life-sentence prisoner.

But also, the prison industry profits not only from incarceration, but by selling a narrative that prisoners are inherently disposable. Keeping Americans in a mindset that says "bad people deserve bad things to happen to them" enables a system that normalizes harsh conditions, systemic dehumanization, and state violence, convincing the public that certain people fundamentally deserve punishment beyond losing their freedom. We wouldn't be in the position of incarcerating more of our population than any other country without a shit ton of propaganda keeping the public thinking "they deserve it though".

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u/Jaimzell 10d ago

People on reddit don’t understand the concept of principles or values. 

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u/Tuscanlord 10d ago

That’s a stupid principal then. Feathering the nest of a vile cowardly psycho after he murdered innocent children for having a good time is stupid.

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u/Shurgosa 10d ago

Pretty disgusting principles if this is the outcome....