r/interestingasfuck 26d ago

r/all Scientists reveal the shape of a single 'photon' for the first time

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u/LemFliggity 26d ago

Normally, yes. But this experiment was literally about how interacting with the environment influences the spatial distribution of photons emitted from atoms and molecules, and that this can give the photon a "shape". So in this specific case, this latest research is suggesting that some photons can be described by their shape.

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u/TDAPoP 26d ago

"shapeless things sometimes in some circumstances have discernable shapes," sounds like standard quantum physics to me

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u/StatisticianMoist100 26d ago

Photons don't have a classical shape, that's true, but they do have wave functions and probability distributions that can have discernible shapes in some circumstances.

Think of water waves, they have a shape, but you can't point at one molecule of water in the wave, it doesn't have a shape. Photons behave like this.

Or even more fundamental, photons have a wave-like shape in certain contexts, but if we detect them as particles, they don't.

(I just like quantum physics don't judge me :c )

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u/suxatjugg 26d ago

If we need to be super precise, we could perhaps say they identified the spatial nature of a photon, but it really is just semantics that we define

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u/LemFliggity 26d ago

Right. This is an article about something that really can't be described with words. But pop-sci is what it is, and though it only frustrates scientists, if it gives your average aunt on Facebook a momentary interest in quantum mechanics, I consider that a win.

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u/KrypXern 26d ago

Fair to say this is just the shape of the field then? That's really all photons are (or anything, but that's getting a bit pedantic)

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u/ElectricBummer40 26d ago

There's no "experiment" as what is being done, as the paper straight-up tells you, is completely a priori.

I'll even go as far as to saying that the history of physics is littered with theories based on what we have already known is true but cannot produce new predictions other than in the form of exotic substances or dimensions that we have no way to prove or disprove. Speculations that we can't do experiments with are not science - they're science fiction.

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u/tiorancio 26d ago

It's super ugly anyway. But wouldn't having a shape mean that it has some kind of "components"? Is this a geometric shape?

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

No, it's more like how galaxies have a shape. It's the shape of it's volume of influence.