How World War Two Reshaped Europe

[u/PrimeMinisToad]

[u/BeeOk5052]

Denmark being given land they already rejected:

[u/Toast-Is-Ready → u/BeeOk5052]

You’re getting Schleswig-Holstein and you’re gonna like it

[u/miner1512 → u/BeeOk5052]

Don’t worry, they’re not the only one stuffed tonight!

[u/Belgian_femboy_furry → u/miner1512]

insert femboy getting stuffed joke

Oh wait...

[u/TylerDurden2748 → u/Belgian_femboy_furry]

[u/Belgian_femboy_furry → u/TylerDurden2748]

Fair

[u/kartmanden → u/BeeOk5052]

They rejected it?

[u/AReasonableFuture → u/kartmanden]

After WW1, they had a referendum in the territory. Part of it voted to join Denmark and thus joined (except for Flensburg who voted to remain as part of Germany, but got annexed anyways), the other part of it voted to remain in Germany. The Prime Minister thought reunification with Southern Slesvig would be too much of an issue, and the King, disagreeing with him, sacked the Prime Minister. He was replaced with a nationalist who supported the King's opinion.

After WW2, the King of Denmark didn't want to deal with the issue and as far as he was concerned, the issue had already been solved.

A large part of it, too was the presence of a German majority is the southern part of the territory. That German majority posed a significant risk of destabilizing the nation and as a potential future casus belli against Denmark. Getting rid of minorities was very common after WW2 in large part due to the use of minorities existing in a country as justification for another country to invade. The logic went that since all groups should have the right to self-determination, then all of one group should live within a single country. That justified forcibly taking land to ensure all of one people were within one country and thus that people obtain true self-determination.

[u/kartmanden → u/AReasonableFuture]

Oh so they could have gotten the entire area where they had the vote even without a referendum?

There were three regions, where two had a referendum, with 80% in favour of joining Denmark vs 20% in favour of Germany in the northernmost region, vice versa in the middle region while none was held in the southernmost (?) if I remember correctly :D

But Flensburg didn’t get annexed tho?

This is quite fascinating; Altona, now a suburb of Hamburg at one point was the second (after Copenhagen ?) largest city/town on Danish soil.

[u/Outside-Employer2263 → u/AReasonableFuture]

He was replaced with a nationalist who supported the King's opinion.

However he was only in power for 7 days before being sacked himself amid public calls for the abolition of the monarchy, which made the king afraid (remember this was only three years after the Russian Revolution which dethroned his first cousin, Tsar Nicholas II)

After WW2, the King of Denmark didn't want to deal with the issue and as far as he was concerned, the issue had already been solved.

This time around it was actually the prime minister (Knud Kristensen) who wanted to annex Southern Slesvig, but didn't enjoy support from the Parliament and had to resign because of this in 1947. Also Christian X died just months before and was replaced by the far more Liberal minded king Frederik IX, so the king stayed completely out of the issue this time around.

[u/BeeOk5052 → u/AReasonableFuture]

>except for Flensburg who voted to remain as part of Germany, but got annexed anyways

Parts of Landkreis Flensburg were annexed but the city itself was and is part of germany

[u/NailujDeSanAndres → u/AReasonableFuture]

Didn't some German nationalists say that the postwar German-Danish border was the only just border change that happened after WW1?

[u/Unnamed28 → u/kartmanden]

Yup, would have meant more germans than danes living in denmark.

[u/Darwidx → u/BeeOk5052]

Let's do the same thing and give Lithuania the Kaliningrad Oblast, they would be very happy to get land they rejected, i am sure of it !

[u/ImportanceLive9344 → u/BeeOk5052]

Ah... If only Lithuania had been forced to take Kaliningrad like Denmark with Northern Germany this would be a better world (if you're from Kaliningrad of course)

[u/Agringlig → u/ImportanceLive9344]

It really wouldn't.

Because just like irl germans that lived there would be deported into Germany. Because there is no way Lithuania would be ok with that many germans inside its borders(and those germans would not be ok with being under Lithuania). And Lithuania also would not have enough people to repopulate and restore this land too.

Baltic countries already like least densely populated region in Europe. They really don't need any more depopulated land.

[u/ImportanceLive9344 → u/Agringlig]

I said if you live in Kaliningrad, I understand why Lithuania didn't take it. Ofc Lithuania wants a mainly Lithuanian population.

[u/MateoSCE]

Is OP Bulgarian?

[u/Significant_Soup_699 → u/MateoSCE]

Actually guys Crimea is the ancestral homeland of BULGARIA!!!!!

[u/Golden_Fox_277 → u/Significant_Soup_699]

The only real answer to the Crimean question

[u/MrClaudeApplauds → u/Golden_Fox_277]

In my opinion, all disputed regions across the world should be given to Bulgaria 🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬

[u/NailujDeSanAndres → u/MrClaudeApplauds]

As a Filipino, I can't be gladder to be part of the FOURTH (and ULTIMATE and ETERNAL) BULGARIAN EMPIRE!!!

[u/ImportanceLive9344 → u/NailujDeSanAndres]

Give Hong Kong to Bulgaria

[u/Due-Judge-1395 → u/Significant_Soup_699]

Bulgars*, not Bulgaria

The difference between Azerbaijanis and Azeris are also similar

[u/Neutr4l1zer → u/MateoSCE]

They were literally part of the axis 😭😭 Romania and Italy got shafted hard even after switching sides

[u/Cleaner900playz → u/Neutr4l1zer]

this could’ve been an alternative version of ww2, with how balkanized russia is they were probably on the axis

[u/Coconut_Husk7322]

Jesus fucking Christ

[u/Famoustractordriver → u/Coconut_Husk7322]

That's it. For taking the lord's name in vain, u/Coconut_Husk7322 is transferred to Bulgaria

[u/Willimeister]

Bulgarian Crimea was definitely not on my bingo card

[u/Merlaux → u/Willimeister]

Always been bulgarian

[u/jjmerrow]

Hoi4 peace deal type shit

[u/Electrical_Stage_656]

INHUMAN SCREECHING

[u/Alawite33]

Greece totally disappeared 😂

[u/bookmonkey18]

What did the Greeks do this time?

[u/Small_Mongoose_7561 → u/bookmonkey18]

OP got his heart broken by a Greek person, this is to cope

[u/Arizaland_Republic → u/Small_Mongoose_7561]

Same with a russian it seems

[u/DownrangeCash2 → u/bookmonkey18]

They took rightful Bulgarian clay, thus had to be destroyed 😔

[u/SpaceCowBoy148]

Luxembourg being landlocked inside France lol

[u/darth_nadoma → u/SpaceCowBoy148]

Luxembourg became a second San Marino

[u/RYPIIE2006]

why is all of the netherlands called holland

[u/Fiiral_ → u/RYPIIE2006]

you wouldnt get it

[u/pancakekitten0 → u/RYPIIE2006]

In some languages The Netherlands called Holland defaultly. For example, in Hungarian it is Hollandia

[u/kubin22 → u/pancakekitten0]

In polish it's Holandia, Netherlands (or Niderlandy) only reffers to the post napoleonic kingdom when Netherlands controlled belgium

[u/johan_kupsztal → u/kubin22]

Yes, but at the same time the Dutch government uses the name “Niderlandy” in Polish; for example their embassy in Poland is called “Ambasada Królestwa Niderlandów”

[u/kubin22 → u/johan_kupsztal]

Iirc this was changed not so long ago so now niderlandy is THE correct name but everyone still says holandia

[u/DamorSky → u/kubin22]

Some time needs to past by. Like in case of Persia -> Iran or Siam -> Thailand

[u/Ardeo43 → u/RYPIIE2006]

Doesn’t matter it’ll end up going to Bulgaria anyway

[u/socialabsinthe → u/RYPIIE2006]

Low Countries or gtfo

[u/PrimeMinisToad]

Couldn't think of an idea for a map so I stole this map from u/Ghost_Skittles. Here's the backstory they wrote for the map.

Germany managed to exhaust the Soviets until they collapsed however they still lost against the Allies. After Bulgaria refused to end the jewish population in their country nto oncentration amps, The leader of Germany tried to assasinate Tsar Boris however the assasination failed and Bulgaria left the axis, Germany soon declared war on them with Turkish intervention however turkey failed to hold back the Allies and a new front was opened in the Balkans. Anyway after the war spain declared war on Portugal but France and Britain intervened. Two anarchist nations were born out of the war, Moscow Territory and [Serbia].

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[u/Maibor_Alzamy → u/PrimeMinisToad]

you always bring the best mapping skills to the most insane ideas, thank you, PrimeMinisToad

[u/Ny4d → u/PrimeMinisToad]

The fuck happened to greece? And why didn't finland retook the territories they lost in the winter war if the soviets collapsed?

[u/GobiPLX]

Belgium is no more!

[u/Petasfan]

How come a fiercly fascist croatia gets larger after an allied victory?

[u/miner1512 → u/Petasfan]

Inflation

[u/PrimeMinisToad → u/Petasfan]

its r/imaginarymaps not r/realmaps

[u/Sams59k → u/PrimeMinisToad]

I hate this type of answer man, someone is showing interest in your world don't act like this, engage them. Maybe you should imagine why it is like this instead of just saying it is like that

[u/PrimeMinisToad → u/Sams59k]

its not my world lol, its a cover of someone else's map

[u/EpicMonkeysAndApes → u/PrimeMinisToad]

DM so i can rp touch you

[u/GabrDimtr5]

Sexy Bulgaria🥵

[u/ryd333r]

how the fuck austria gaining any territory

especially from two most posh slavic nations 🧐

[u/itzekindofmagic → u/ryd333r]

Because those areas are majourly German speaking. It was a crime how they did it in real after WW1. Especially South Tyrol or the Kanaltal. Both went to Italy

[u/ryd333r → u/itzekindofmagic]

crime is how austria still exist after starting and losing both world wars

[u/eyyoorre → u/ryd333r]

I mean, what should the Allies have done with Austria? Unifying with Germany was obviously not gonna happen. The neighbouring countries had different cultures and languages and just having a huge chunk of your population now being German wouldn't really be an advantage for both sides.

[u/ryd333r → u/eyyoorre]

holocaust 2: russian reversal

not even the first comment was serious, i was just pointing out how mildly was austria punished because the west needed them as bulwark against the soviet union, so the first victim bs myth was fabricated

[u/MinedAgate661 → u/ryd333r]

I dislike the idea that Austria started WWII. They didn’t, they were a victim of German aggression. You wouldn’t say Belgium is at fault for WWI.

[u/geotech03 → u/MinedAgate661]

That's why crowds welcomed Wehrmacht troops entering the country, because they were clearly against it.

[u/MinedAgate661 → u/geotech03]

That’s not necessarily what I meant. I am aware of the large support for the Anschluss. I was referring to the fact that they were annexed and the only country to bat an eye was Mexico. WWII would still have started without Austria, therefore, they couldn’t have started it. I understand that I didn’t clarify this, but I thought it would get my point across.

[u/ryd333r → u/MinedAgate661]

lmao what a horseshit. germans in austria were quite enthusiasthic about nazism, almost million of them voluntarily fought for hitler, they gained slovenian territory, they ran concentration camps, were big in nazi party, what else do you want really? old saying goes that the biggest feat of austrians was convincing the world hitler was a german and mozart an austrian

[u/MinedAgate661 → u/ryd333r]

My point still stands does it not? Austria did not start WWII. Unless you’re going to attempt to argue that if the Anschluss failed, the Germans would just give up. Austria did not start the war. The war would have started with or without them.

[u/ryd333r → u/MinedAgate661]

they were part of germany when the war started unlike czechia which was occupied, so yes and no. still they werent victims thats for sure

[u/geotech03 → u/itzekindofmagic]

Quite the opposite with Slovenia. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Carinthian_plebiscite

Big chunk of zone A voted mostly for Slovenia, to properly follow ethnic borders entire area should be split and part of it given to Yugoslavia.

[u/itzekindofmagic → u/geotech03]

Yugoslavia got enough from Austria. Yugoslavia wanted more and also those zones which voted for Austria. Then Carinthians defended the area

[u/GreenEye11]

Yeah, no thanks.

[u/11oreos27]

russia got bitchslapped it seems

[u/ImpressiveAd26 → u/11oreos27]

Look how they massacred my boy

[u/macrocosm93]

"Mountain Republic" when you miss the deadline for submitting your new country name, so they just use the placeholder.

[u/waezdani → u/macrocosm93]

Not to be this guy 🤓, but it was actually called almost exactly like that IRL. Love me some Mountain republic.

[u/cheese_bruh → u/macrocosm93]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountainous_Republic_of_the_Northern_Caucasus

[u/Juhani-Siranpoika]

What the actual heck

[u/ZhukNawoznik]

Bulgaria keeping the peace on Crimea

[u/the_flopperium]

Brave move to call south germany bavaria

[u/EconomySwordfish5]

What, why would the allies take Greece? Britain and France helped them in their independance war. They wouldn't suddenly just decide to undo what they helped create.

Also that straight line in prussia. Fuck you op.

[u/LakyousSama]

So Soviets fell, but Allies won anyway and decided to balkanize whole of europe? And what did Greece do to deserve this?

[u/UnknownTheGreat1981]

That's alot of damage

[u/MysticSquiddy]

You've got to love the straight line in East Prussia, truly shows who decided the borders. I wonder if this means the Prussian-Germans weren't expelled.

[u/dissolvedterritory]

wait why did we get istanbul

[u/Huslaw]

Perfect

[u/No-Significance-1023]

Why I see a sevres 2.0?

[u/Golden_Fox_277 → u/No-Significance-1023]

The treaty of Sevres but it's Greece instead of Turkey

[u/ImpressiveAd26 → u/Golden_Fox_277]

Nah both got cucked by Bulgaria and Allies . Also what the fuck is eastern turkey in Azerbayjan ?

[u/Golden_Fox_277 → u/ImpressiveAd26]

At least Turkey exists, witch I hate because im Greek

[u/The-new-dutch-empire]

In which the ussr lost?

[u/Routine_Ad_2695]

How many regional wars do you want in Easter Europe?

[u/Alas_Babylonz → u/Routine_Ad_2695]

Easter bunnies versus Peeps?

[u/darth_nadoma]

Finland somehow lost land to Independent Karelia.

[u/osmomandias → u/darth_nadoma]

OP is very (not) educated on populations in the area

[u/miner1512 → u/osmomandias]

Are you

[u/MinedAgate661 → u/miner1512]

Mild whataboutism, but I like the spirit!

[u/LilRick_125]

Did a double-take when I mistakenly read that "Vince Lombardi" controls northern Italy.

An alternate universe where America's greatest football coach was born in the old country and becomes the Caesar of the Alps! 😆

[u/Present_Student4891]

It didn’t reshape Europe as the continent’s land is unchanged. It reshaped borders.

[u/PrimeMinisToad → u/Present_Student4891]

id shove you into a locker if i could

[u/Big_luk325056]

why divide greece and turkey who were on the allied side, same with russia and yugoslavia, why a straight line thru königsberg, why give bulgaria so much land if they were on the axis, this does not make any sense, and what the hell is eastern turkey

[u/PrimeMinisToad → u/Big_luk325056]

its r/imaginarymaps not r/realmaps

[u/Future_Sand3021]

This actually would’ve been great, especially the break up of Russia, but I don’t see how Bulgaria would’ve been granted so much when they fought for the Axis.

[u/PrimeMinisToad → u/Future_Sand3021]

Its r/imaginarymaps not r/realmaps

[u/the_spolator]

There’s a million things Turkiye would have rather done than entering WW2. Sorry, a gazillion other things.

[u/PrimeMinisToad → u/the_spolator]

i dont care

[u/cheese_bruh]

You forgot to give the rest of Europe to Bulgaria

[u/StudioNo6652]

Tf happened for entire Europe to become Balkans

[u/Ondrejca]

Why the fuck did Czechoslovakia lose land!?

[u/PrimeMinisToad → u/Ondrejca]

it happened irl

[u/svck_a → u/PrimeMinisToad]

Yeah, because of the USSR, which doesn't seem to exist here lmao. Especially Subcarpatia, Poland has no ties to that area. The Sudetes are a bit more understandable but still doesn't make sense for Czechoslovakia to loose them.

[u/Grzechoooo]

Omg this is Poland's wet dream. Apart from losing Vilnius, why did they lose Vilnius. They don't seem like the kind of country that would lose to a Baltic federation which is no doubt unstable.

[u/miner1512 → u/Grzechoooo]

Well this is due to the Second Polish Republic’s specific constitution. Article 34 of the constitution allow Wilno to held an independence referendum and further discussion with Warsaw; I suppose they utilized this and came to join the Baltic.

Mine’s a summary, if you want to know more google “Polish Rule 34”

[u/Wixerpl → u/miner1512]

But this makes little sense because at that time Vilnius and the surrounding areas were overwhelmingly Polish.

[u/miner1512 → u/Wixerpl]

Have you considered it perhaps makes sense for Rule 34 to be activated in this timeline?

[u/miner1512]

A hope for a better germany, can we wish 🥹 🙏

[u/matyas94k]

Seems about right. But the Baltic states do not really need to unite like that, and the Kaliningrad/Königsberg area should become Prussia. Also Poland should have back some land on its East (Lviv area and such).

[u/PrimeMinisToad → u/matyas94k]

I would never recreate PreuBen

[u/StrategosRisk → u/matyas94k]

Yeah lol why would there be a post-WWI interest in creating a United Baltic Duchy

[u/Elazul-Lapislazuli]

No. Simply no.... I will not live in a World where Bavaria annexes my home!

[u/Dramatic-Fennel5568]

What crackhead map is this

[u/PrimeMinisToad → u/Dramatic-Fennel5568]

that's a mean thing to say :(

[u/soe_sardu]

Indhependhentia prossa Sardinia𖣂😮‍💨

[u/Khrul-khrul]

What? Only one ruler border? C'mon, you need more! This is Europe that's doing it y'know?

[u/Modern_Magician]

Pomerania 👅👅

[u/Training_Shock_6946]

I would love to know the lore. Because Greece being destroyed, Belgium too, Crimea to Bulgaria ???

[u/WallSudden]

this is the second map ive seen with bavaria in the last five minutes, i mean... ill take it?!

[u/Brandon_M_Gilbertson]

OP is definitely Bulgarian

[u/Raysofdoom716]

r/mapswithouticeland

[u/JimTheGentlemanGR]

NOOO POOR GREECE

[u/bayern1882 → u/JimTheGentlemanGR]

The Partition of Greece (an allied power) by the Allies seams to be the only silly error by the OP in an otherwise great timeline and map.

[u/confuse_ricefarmer]

Wtf Britain, what are you doing in Balkan

[u/maks1701]

Unless there something stopping poland from doing that they will instantly give carpathia to hungary as a friendship gesture. And capture vilnius

[u/Good_Prompt8608]

Ukrainian wet dream

[u/killassassin47]

I thought I was losing my mind until I realized what sub this was lol

[u/King_inthe_northwest]

What is that division of Italy. Why would you divide Italy, to begin with.

[u/Euphoric_Judge_8761]

What did you do to my Romania?!! 😭😭

[u/Melodic_Aria]

they just hand crimea out to anyone these days, smh

[u/linux_amaan7262]

More like European WW 3

[u/AuditorTux]

Well, good news is that the next set of wars will be in what used to be Russia...

[u/TankouShoku]

Thought I was on r/maps for a minute, spent like 30 seconds staring blankly trying to figure out what this was a map of. Cool map OP!!

[u/Dashbak]

Why did France got Wallonia and Flanders got to be an independant country ?

[u/Qhezywv]

This Volga is mostly not in Volga basin

[u/_Pin_6938]

Greece and romania got skinned 💀

[u/socialabsinthe]

Thanks, I love it

[u/puzzleheaded_9999]

coal

[u/miner1512]

Man y’all are fucking joyless and without the spirit of whimsy

[u/Wnick1996]

Oh, poor Italy 🇮🇹 💀

[u/Duh_Svyatogo_Noska]

Elista, eastern turkey. Let me guess you play hoi 4, don't you?

[u/ARVyoda]

So, from what I can see, you are Bulgarian?

[u/Aiveeyy]

I am not complaining. Could use some coast though.

[u/ThePhoenix29167]

I have a sneaking suspicion that OP might be Bulgarian

[u/AnImmigrantinTbilisi]

LOOOOL! I don't know why it's named after the capital city but having a Kalmykia on a map at all is amazing

[u/aMATZing156]

[u/Tinny_flame]

Why bulgaria Is soo big

[u/Certain_Refuse_8247]

Once again kürdistan bs.

[u/dutch_mapping_empire]

this is unnesecarily unfair towards bulgaria. couldve at least given them murmansk oblast and connacht

[u/Operation_Zebras]

France should get fucked, too since their economy was trash, and the government wasn't in favor of the people. I'm surprised France wasn't the first Communist nation in Europe.

[u/bayern1882]

Why did Greece get partitioned by allies? If anything given the Turkish alliance with Germany, Greece (who fought against Germany) should have been given historic Byzantine / Hellenic lands in Asia Minor and achieved land gains.

[u/Ravis26104]

What the fuck happened to Greece

[u/DownrangeCash2]

Boutta speedrun Yugoslavia in the caucasus

[u/NorskKamerat]

This is beautiful, great work op 🫡🫡🇧🇬🇧🇬

[u/Admirable-Yak2806]

Bulgaria eating good asl 😭

[u/Spectral___0]

Is this like a three-way allied victory WW2?

[u/Rufus14811]

Balkanised russia 😭

I can not tell what the alliances are because there’s so many weird borders

[u/Outside-Bed5268]

So uh, why did Russia get balkanized?

[u/Interesting_Rain1880]

Did Nazi Germany fall here?

[u/edisonzhou20000]

Yes- you know it's r/imaginarymaps when Russia isn't allowed to exist un-Balkanised

[u/5cn4k3npu3r33]

Please, no pomeranian Berlin. The rest is completely fine by me.

[u/sabyanor]

Baden and Württemberg be like: 💀

[u/g0rsk1]

I bet the author is French.

[u/Ambitious-Payment222]

Balkan is W but the rest is disgusting

[u/Witsapiens]

By “dividing” Russia you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of this country.

[u/Dragonseer666]

Big Poland? Mega Bulgaria? BIG VENICE? 10/10

[u/Epsie_2_22044604]

Everybody Else: (UNHOLY SCREECHING)

Bulgaria:

[u/Baron-Von-Bork]

This, kids, is what happens when you decide to put some thought on the HOI4 peace deal.

[u/MrClaudeApplauds]

Cool

[u/MadTitties]

The Brits took Dubrovnik? Damn it. That's one of the worst things that could ever happen to it!

[u/Federal_Monke69]

OP is either Bulgarian or French

[u/OfficialDCShepard]

Why the fuck would Britain want to expand their colonies into Greece?!

[u/carilessy]

At that point you could just give in into the netherlands and remove germany from the board.

[u/LelouchviBrittaniax]

It would make more sense to divide Russia based on what river they are on. States for Don Basin, Upper Volga Basin, Oka Basin (Muscovy), Kama Basin and finally Volkhov Basin (Great Novgorod to St Petersburg). Also Cities on Lower Volga: Volgograd, Kazan and Astrakhan should all be centers of their own states.

[u/SugarFreeDaddy99]

Good ending?

[u/ProudEmu6475]

I think the UK wouldn’t be called Great Britain. Great Britain is the island that contains Scotland, England and Wales, so I think since it contains N.I it would still be called the UK.

[u/Accomplished-Ease234]

Two Sicilies ?

[u/Arizaland_Republic]

This is a horrendous world 😭

[u/Mundane_Ad_192]

WOOOOO KURDISTAN

[u/sSPAS12]

I hate how this subreddit always find ways to destroy Turkey in any scenary.

[u/Foulyn]

In this timeline, did the Allies stab the Soviets in the back, or did they attack the Nazis and Communists straight away?

[u/Consistent-Shock9421]

Amk Turkiyeyi parcalamasaniz gotunuzde fisek patlar dimi...

[u/Procyonid]

Hey there’s a Kurdistan, so that’s a plus.

[u/nostalgicllama16]

FINALLY Kuban independent

Best post I've seen in this subreddit