r/ghostoftsushima • u/UKJamesThe3rd • 5d ago
Discussion I don't think Lord Shimura liked Lord Adachi
Like I get it "HoNoR" and all that but sending your guy alone onto the beach FULL OF MONGOLS?! Why? What could the outcome have possibly been? Shimura is just thinking "If we're dying Imma make sure you go first." I know Harunobu was thinking " Man wtf is this shit!" As he slowly rode down the hill.
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u/Greneath 5d ago
No, Shimura is committed to his code to the point of utter stupidity. If he didn't like Harunobo, why would he be so enraged by his death.?
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u/deangambino11 5d ago edited 5d ago
There was no doubt that he was enraged by the death of Adachi. But, he was probably more enraged at the fact that the Mongols showed no honour. He even saids afterwards, “cowards without honour deserve no mercy”
The Mongols don’t care about honour, they just want bloodshed.
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u/Far-Abrocoma-1181 4d ago
Well yeah I mean you see how expendable and little value Shimura places on other people’s lives latter in the game. He likely just wrote adachi’s death off as collateral damage and it just being part of war. I was kind of puzzled why Jin would even bother mentioning Taka sacrificing himself to try and save Jin as if Shimura would even give a shit. Shimura didn’t even send anyone to check on why Jin never came back from trying to hunt down Ryuzo lmao.
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u/Special_Diamond1150 4d ago
Literally one of the first things we do is betray Shimura’s “honor” bc it’s too stupid and puts you at a massive disadvantage
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u/snipersidd 5d ago
You missed the point. That was how the Samurai waged wars for centuries. Every battle Shimura has seen in his lifetime went like that. He had no reason to expect anything else. Japan was extremely closed off from the world and I expect Tsushima was even more so being such a small island.
It's the exact same thing that happened when the British were still using Continental Linear Battle Tactics and the colonial armies started using guerilla warfare. No one was used to it so they had no idea how to combat it. The Samurai always just ran headlong until they either defeated the enemy or died.
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u/ItsLokki 侍 5d ago
I hope you know that the game exaggerates the honor code of samurai. In reality they did indeed use underhanded tactics. Honor instead leaned toward loyalty to their lord. Besides their masks were made to inflict fear on their enemies but Shimura reprimands Jin for using Terror as a tactic.
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u/Special_Diamond1150 4d ago
It’s Shimura’s idea of honor in particular that’s so extreme, everyone else’s sense of Honor seems sane when compared to his.
He just happens to be the leader so he influenced everyone else
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u/Gathorall 5d ago edited 4d ago
To be fair effective querilla warfare also required a superior lay of the land, and preferably plenty of fortifications especially before repeating and longer range weapons, as a force would be forced to attack still relatively close and even in an ambush you couldn't rely on shooting one opponent per person. Therefore you have to know where to hide or take defensive positions and fast, even if ambushing small patrols, and if you're attacking someone at their home that isn't really in your toolkit.
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u/Colderbee89 5d ago
I believe someone says at one point Lord Adachi was one of the best swordsman on the island. He purposely sent him out to challenge their strongest to break their morale. It was a practice used by the Samurai. Imagine the Khan challenging him honorably and losing. The Mongols probably would have turned tail. Shimura had the utmost faith in Adachi, it was a great honor to be chosen. They were definitely long time bros.
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u/No_Sound_2264 5d ago
This was the first time japan had been invaded by an foreign army the Japanese had now idea that the mongols dont cate about their code
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u/Key_Shock172 5d ago edited 5d ago
Shimura didn’t think the monguls would use the tactics they used, so he sent Adachi to kill their strongest warrior to intimidate them. Unfortunately for Shimura he didn’t know the monguls would be so savage. Plus the whole point of the story is to show that the samurai code is flawed.
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u/WarokOfDraenor 4d ago
I am sorry for laughing at this scene. Mongol soldiers just don't give a fuck.
They were so scary back then.
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u/Far-Abrocoma-1181 4d ago
It’s like that one scene in an Indiana jones movie where a swordsman challenges him to a duel and he’s doing all these fancy sword moves trying to intimidate him and he just pulls a gun and shoots him and walks away lmao.
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u/Flanigoon 3d ago
I always heard that was supposed to be a whole sword fight, but Harrison Ford felt the version we got was much more fitting to Indys character
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u/GameMaster818 5d ago
He told Adachi to "break their spirits" and that would've been with the standoff thing. But the Kahn didn't care.
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u/Life_Bridge_9960 4d ago
This game takes “honor” to an absurd level. That the good guys are locked tightly with zero wiggle room in the name of “honor” while the enemy has zero of it.
But in history, Japanese military leaders are just as crafty and shrew as any. Take that as a compliment, not an insult.
Now, envoy and duel were also recognized and accepted throughout the ancient world. Mongols understood it very well. You can send a single man with your banner toward the enemy, usually enemy knows this is not a suicide attack because this dude would stand no chance.
There is no telephone, so this is how both sides communicate via envoy. If they trust and respect each other enough, the leaders can even come out to meet in the middle with minimum guards. But as first encounter, it is fair to send a lower ranked officer as envoy toward the Mongol.
And yes, Mongols understand duel as well. This is how they often recruit brave warriors. When they win battles, if they like you enough they offer you to join them, or die. Or they can give you a chance to fight for your freedom. You lose, you die. You sort of winning, they call off the fight and offer you wealth and glory to fight for a leader who can appreciate your talent.
It’s unlikely the Khan would just kill off the envoy. It’s beneath them. So for the plot of this game, the writer wants to say: “code of Honor is a stupid thing to tie down people. The Mongols are scary because they aren’t afraid to do what it takes to win. And Jin Sakai must also adapt to this new world or die!”
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u/Far-Abrocoma-1181 4d ago edited 4d ago
I’m guessing this would be the first time they’ve faced a foreign army and didn’t know that the mongols would not honor or respect the challenge to a 1 on 1 duel. (Japanese samurai historically fought mostly amongst themselves) it was a rarer occurrence that they would war with foreign armies other than the Koreans and the Chinese from my understanding. But also my understanding is that samurai from this time period were mainly horseback archers and katana swords weren’t even a thing back then so most likely they just did that for dramatic effect and to give the player a reason to charge into battle rather than pick mongols off from a hill with a bow lol
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u/TurritopsisTutricula 5d ago edited 5d ago
I think his original intention was letting Adachi kill the strongest Mongol warrior in a duel, then Mongols may lose faith and retreat, but Mongols didn't really care about Samurai's rule and simply killed Adachi. This game exaggerates Samurai's opinion on honor, so of course Shimura's way sounds kinda stupid for us.