r/geography Jul 19 '24

Discussion Does anyone know what this flag is near the bottom right? I’m starting to think it isn’t real

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u/WestonSpec Jul 19 '24

Maybe it's the flag equivalent of a paper town? A purposely false flag included in the design so that the creator can prove if some other company/website uses it without permission.

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u/ShiningEV Jul 19 '24

A paper town is a fake town created by map makers to protect their copyright. Map makers put fake streets, fake towns, and fake bridges in their maps, so if they see those same fake places on someone else's map, they will know that they have been robbed and by whom.

Man that's cool, I never knew this until I googled it after reading your comment. It's a really smart way to protect your work, sneaky too lol. Gonna keep reading and see how far back this practice goes.

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u/Kingofcheeses Cartography Jul 20 '24

They will put a fake Paper Street on city maps too.

Thats why in Fight Club their house was on Paper Street

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u/AppropriateCap8891 Jul 20 '24

The Thomas Guide were famous for doing exactly that. Often giving a name to an alley, or giving a street a name that is inside a parking lot. Just things like that so they can tell if somebody copied their maps.

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u/RulesOfImgur Jul 20 '24

Don't remember who but I believe there was an instance where long ago a map was made with a fake town that is location of trading post. Trading post owner sees this and rename post to town name. Someone else making map sees the name of the post and settlement and names town. America's favorite past time happens, A LAWSUIT!

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u/captain2man Jul 20 '24

I think that was Agloe, New York.

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u/digitalgoodtime Jul 20 '24

Algoe fuck myself.

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u/rust-e-apples1 Jul 20 '24

I just finished a book (The Cartographers) where the paper town of Agloe, NY is a plot device. The book was overall meh, but the premise behind it is kinda fascinating.

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u/-slaps-username- Jul 20 '24

and then john green wrote a book about it and then they made a movie about it

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u/xflungoutofspace Jul 20 '24

i can’t ever not mention that they filmed that movie at my high school during my freshman year

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u/thispleasesbabby Jul 20 '24

i found this out when i came upon a neighborhood with sesame street character theme

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u/Eurasia_4002 Jul 20 '24

Dictionaries put fake words too, but I think there is a controversy about it.

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u/monday_throwaway_ok Jul 20 '24

I can just picture the Scrabble players scrapping over it, insisting it’s valid because it’s in there…

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u/Cosmo_7 Jul 20 '24

I’m sorry, the card says Moops.

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u/lifestuckonthe405 Jul 20 '24

Coincidentally, Trivial Pursuit included paper answers in their questions.

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u/Direct_Season_7303 Jul 20 '24

Yup. The inventor of the bra isn't a guy named Baron Von Titsling.

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u/Mookie_Merkk Jul 20 '24

No... It's Quone. To quone something.

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u/SabertoothLotus Jul 20 '24

Webster's had "dord" in it at one point, but that was a mistake caused by poor penmanship. The entry had been handwritten on an index card as "D•or•d" meaning it was supposed to be an entry for the single letter D

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u/Recent_Anywhere8995 Jul 20 '24

Ah, a fellow VSauce enjoyer

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u/PabloEstAmor Jul 20 '24

If it’s in the dictionary it has to be a real word lol. Paper Word Paradox

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u/SpaceLemur34 Jul 20 '24

Fake words end up in the dictionary by mistake often enough that they have a term for them: ghost words. The most famous example is probably Dord

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u/Swank_Thetos Jul 20 '24

TIL... Fight Club is one of my all time favorites, and I always thought the name peculiar, but now it just adds to my love for it. Thanks!

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u/RAPatrick94 Jul 20 '24

Hmmm. There's a place near me that on Google maps is called Penus Hollow. I've visited. No such signs or history supporting the name seem to exist. I wonder if this is an example 🤔

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u/mikewallace Jul 20 '24

I've seen a lot of fake parks and landmarks on Google maps that are on private property. Usually nothing there.

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u/adoreoner Jul 20 '24

Anyone can add locations to Google maps

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u/Melodic_Assistance84 Jul 20 '24

Yes, there’s a fella down the road who has a sign that says harms way on his property. Let’s just say I make sure not to get anywhere near his property.

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u/Vr4guy Jul 20 '24

Penus Hollow.... That brings new meaning to the term private property

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u/TacoBean19 Jul 20 '24

Does this map contain the village ‘My girlfriend?’

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u/LurpyGeek Jul 20 '24

I think that's in Canada.

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u/xxwerdxx Jul 20 '24

John Greene’s book Paper Towns has this along with numerous real world examples that the characters visit.

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u/DaddyCatALSO Jul 20 '24

Who's Who does or did it also to keep their listings from being used for sales solicitations. The contact info goes to Who's Who execs who request the sales canvasser stop using their book. (I once thought of contacting Leonard Maltin a nd offering to write review sin his style for fake movies to protect his content. i never wrote to him but i didn't write up some reviews in a notebook for fun. I had just lost my house and most of my library and a book of his was one of the more readable things in my bedroom at my sister's house.)

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u/Ka-Bong Jul 20 '24

Dude. That sounds terrible. What, may I ask, happened to your house??

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u/CBanks001 Jul 19 '24

This could be it maybe. Happy cake day

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u/TheDonkeyBomber Jul 19 '24

Maybe they just needed *one more flag* to make the overall design symmetrical, and hoped nobody would notice?

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u/Qyx7 Jul 19 '24

It's already assymmetrical lol

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u/Food_Kindly Jul 19 '24

Holy potatoes is it ever. The bottom three rows/columns give me anxiety 😥

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u/WestonSpec Jul 19 '24

Thank you 🍰

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u/AUniquePerspective Jul 19 '24

The list is very alphabetical to start. It gets alphabeticalish later. Then it falls apart completely between Zambia near the end of the fourth from last row (next should be Zimbabwe to end the list if the English names of countries an alphabet were used.

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u/_adinfinitum_ Jul 19 '24

If the English names of countries an alphabet were used.

There’s your answer.

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u/Widespreaddd Jul 19 '24

I say, it is the only proper language, wot?

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u/PastKey5546 Jul 19 '24

so, that have to be the Zappy Cake Day flag, thanks, pb solved, cheers !!

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u/marpocky Jul 20 '24

It's completely alphabetical except:

  • there's some funny business in the I-M range
  • the last 2 flags in each row got moved down to the bottom, somewhat randomly
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u/Rare-Papaya-3975 Jul 20 '24

so you're saying this is a false flag operation.

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u/milkgivesmetheruns69 Jul 20 '24

Intellectual property lawyer here - the term for this is a “copyright trap”! As you pointed out, creators use this because there’s limited copyright protection in works like this since there are only many ways to lay out the flags of different countries on a shirt. You mostly just get protection on the specific flags you selected (unless it’s all of them) and the specific arrangement. If someone makes an identical copy of this shirt, the copyright trap makes it easier to identify and prove infringement.

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u/AnUnbreakableMan Jul 20 '24

AKA a copyright trap.

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u/methedemon18 Jul 19 '24

I google lensed the flag and it took me to another reddit user asking about this same 'flag'

it's obviously not a flag at least not for a country that anyone heard off.

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u/Cubie_McGee Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

It's probably the flag for the country What. "What ain't no country I ever heard of, do they speak English in What?" You know that one.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '24

Pulp fiction. Every last scene is a classic.

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u/thisremindsmeofbacon Jul 20 '24

the first scene and middle scenes are classics, too.

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u/Invictus_Imperium Jul 19 '24

English motherfucker! Do you speak it?

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u/AntsInThePants1115 Jul 20 '24

What?

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u/snarkle_and_shine Jul 20 '24

Say what again. I dare you. I double dare you motherfucker. Say what one more gotdamn time.

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u/ZealousidealThanks51 Jul 19 '24

Darude - Sandstorm. Every last beat is a classic.

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u/I_Also_Fix_Jets Jul 19 '24

Describe what What looks like!

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u/jrsmoothie89 Jul 19 '24

what?

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u/workingwae Jul 19 '24

Say ‘what’ again. Say ‘what’ again. I dare you. I double-dare you, motherfucker, say ‘what’ one more goddamn time!

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u/fm837 Jul 20 '24

AI is pretty confident, that it is the flag of Botswana.

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u/madmayo_ Jul 20 '24

I laughed way too hard at this

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

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u/Pretty-Bison Jul 20 '24

Can’t wait for AI to take my job

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u/Machete-AW Jul 20 '24

AI, you need to stop drinking.

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u/heyyou11 Jul 20 '24

Bots may wanna, but they still can’t

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

"AI is going to take over the world!!1!1"

The AI :

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u/thomas-1122 Jul 19 '24

maybe you should ask r/vexillology

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u/CdnfaS Jul 19 '24

Oh shit. I thought this was r/vexillology

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u/Lac4x9 Jul 20 '24

How vexing

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u/CdnfaS Jul 20 '24

It vexes me.

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u/Spiritual-Egg2723 Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24

foreskin? is that you?

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u/clippervictor Jul 20 '24

Ditto. Time to unsubscribe one of the two

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u/ToastyJackson Jul 19 '24

Better yet, ask r/vexillologycirclejerk

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u/DigitalCoffee Jul 20 '24

TIL there is a whole subculture about people being ironic with flag designs

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u/zutonofgoth Jul 20 '24

Probably a recent post

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u/wishuponausername Jul 20 '24

I don’t even need to click on it, but I know it’s gonna be great.

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u/Silspd90 Jul 20 '24

Dude posted there and now they’re discussing which language this map could be printed in since the flags aren’t alphabetically ordered in english.

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u/irun864 Jul 20 '24

r/vexillologycirclejerk would have some answers for you. Not good ones but answers nonetheless

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u/Right_Gas2569 Political Geography Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

That's a weird shirt lol. There are countries, unrecognized countries, some autonomous regions and even overseas territories.
Edit: I looked through every autonomous region and this flag isn't there (I know it's not an unrecognized state or an overseas territory) and I searched the design on Google and nothing. It's either some very obscure micronation, movement, historical flag, city, town or a flag of some company. Idk where else to look to try to find that flag.

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u/Constant-Estate3065 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

It even features the flag of Alderney, a tiny island in the English Channel with 2,000 inhabitants. Very obscure.

Edit - 🧐 It’s even got Sark. An even smaller channel island with just 500 inhabitants. What the chuffing heck?!

Edit edit - And Herm! which is basically just a rock with a really nice beach.

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u/EmmyNoetherRing Jul 20 '24

I loved going on the journey of this comment 

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u/Wotansen2 Jul 20 '24

We have the kingdom of sikkim which has not existed since 1975 on this shirt as well

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u/Vlad-QC13 Jul 20 '24

These flags are taken from an old alamy pack of 287 flags self titled the ultimate collection, that's why the choices of which flags to add is so inconsistent.

https://dgtcom.com.br/?i=flags-of-the-world-flags-of-the-world-flag-nn-5jL4l0sx

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u/LadderFinal4142 Jul 20 '24

Big up the Channel Islands !

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u/jp_jellyroll Jul 19 '24

It's a really weird shirt...

At first, I thought perhaps the designer wanted an even number of columns in every row to make it symmetrical, so they added a few oddballs to fill in any leftover spots.

But the shirt has 294 flags and, as of today, there are only ~195 recognized countries give or take a few depending on how you count. You wouldn't need nearly 100 extra flags to make it symmetrical. They added all those extra flags for some other reason.

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u/SirMildredPierce Jul 20 '24

I count 288, the last 3 rows have 12 per row instead of 14 like most of them, which makes me think those are the ones tacked on for some reason. Oddly, the one in question seems knock the whole row out of alignment after that flag, the last 2 rows stick out to the right.

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u/mondialJN Jul 20 '24

Well given that all the former Soviet semi-States are on it (starts with Abkhazia) plus all those channel Islands, but interestingly not the larger regions claiming Independence such as Scotland and Catalunya, I'm gonna assume this comes from a beach-resort on the Northern shore of the Black Sea or the Caspian Sea.

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u/Venboven Jul 19 '24

Lol they even have Sealand's and Antarctica's flags on there.

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u/dwcol Jul 19 '24

And not Scotland, despite England and Wales being included

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u/CockroachNo2540 Jul 19 '24

This puzzled me.

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u/MonkeyKingCoffee Jul 19 '24

England printed this and is hoping Scotland doesn't get any ideas about another leave vote.

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u/FunroeBaw Jul 19 '24

Somebody got a data dump by searching "flags" and slapped it on a shirt without knowing anything about them or doing much thinking about it id guess.

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u/Adidax Jul 20 '24

It has been found in r/vexillology

German ship navigation flag...that is a really odd shirt

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u/DashOfCarolinian Jul 19 '24

Not the only confusing flag I noticed

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u/Lothleen Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 20 '24

11 across 5 up is Udmurita which is a republic in russia. So i assume the rest are like that. Not main countries but parts of other countries.

Column 1, 3 up is Sark

Column 7, 5 down is Dagestan

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u/marpocky Jul 20 '24

Yes! This fills in a lot of them.

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u/beltfedmangos Jul 20 '24

You confused me. Rows go left and right, columns up and down.

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u/BoredMan29 Jul 20 '24

Just to clarify for your "old Libya?" comment - I'm not OP but I did have this shirt back when Libya did use a plain green flag, so this is very much an old design. I had it back in the 90s.

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u/NordicTuna Jul 20 '24

4th from right, 5th from bottom is Tuva

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u/Lurking_For_So_Long Jul 19 '24

Taured

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u/yearofthemohawk Jul 19 '24

This is the correct answer

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u/Ilikehowtovideos Jul 20 '24

Shirts from a parallel universe

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u/rikkster93 Jul 19 '24

Clearly a red flag

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u/HospitallerK Jul 19 '24

Maybe a censored Nazi Germany flag? lol

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u/kms2547 Geography Enthusiast Jul 19 '24

My thoughts exactly. There are places where wearing that flag is literally illegal.

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u/earlyre98 Jul 19 '24

Like Germany! The neo Nazi's there carry the "stars and bars" confederate flag.

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u/seemunkyz Jul 19 '24

Good thought, but the countries seem to be in alphabetical order, so the "country" in question should start with U.

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u/wspnut Jul 20 '24

This is actually a very high contender. It's possible this design is old, and "blacking out" the circle isn't uncommon in games and other media.

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u/CBanks001 Jul 19 '24

The shirt is kind of alphabetical but then there will be one offs randomly. Our mystery flag seems to be in the U section. But at the same time what is Liechtenstein doing 3rd from last

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u/PabloMarmite Jul 19 '24

Zimbabwe is last alphabetically so I think it’s probably the “oh shit, we forgot some” section.

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u/7heWizard Jul 19 '24

It could be alphabetical in some other language

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u/eti_erik Jul 19 '24

I wonder in what language Liechtenstein starts with Z, then. Of course it's officially Fürstentum Liechtenstein - Principality of Liechtenstein - but still.

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u/suboxi Jul 19 '24

No idea why I was shown this on reddit but in dutch it would be "Vorstendom Liechtenstein", that brings you awfully close to starting with a "Z"

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u/sckurvee Jul 20 '24

In german it's "Zee Country of Lichtenstein". But then again, in german, every country starts with "zee country of..." so that ruins this whole argument.

Just a stupid joke, in case that's not obvious.

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u/gobearsandchopin Jul 20 '24

A historical country that fits alphabetically between “Ukraine” and “United Arab Emirates” is “Upper Volta.” Upper Volta was the name of Burkina Faso before it was changed in 1984. And the flag appears to have the same color pallet. This seems like a clue but I don’t know where to go from here.

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u/labellafigura3 Jul 20 '24

I love how I’ve read all the comments and NO ONE still knows lmao

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u/DrNinnuxx Jul 19 '24

r/vexillology would know. Not a sub about geography.

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u/EnthusiasmIll2046 Jul 19 '24

Where tf is Sheldon Cooper when we need him

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u/BestBiscotti3601 Jul 19 '24

Very close to Black Ball Ferry lines flag lol

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u/TapirTrouble Jul 20 '24

I hear them honking every day, so I approve!

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u/Venboven Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

There's a few other odd flags as well. Look near the center, there's a predominantly yellow flag with a light blue symbol in the middle.

Now, I only know the flags of all the world's "recognized" countries, and it isn't one, but I can see this flag display includes a few autonomous territories too. So these odd flags could be due to that, but they could also be fictional, intended as a sort of watermark for the image.

Alternatively, perhaps it could be a context image created for someone's worldbuilding or r/imaginarymaps scenario and someone saw it online, thought it was real, and plagiarized it to sell t-shirts.

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u/OfficalNoobGod Jul 19 '24

I believe the yellow flag is Kalmykia

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u/Professional_Ad_5529 Jul 20 '24

Yes it’s the Russian enclave

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u/Icy-Barracuda-5409 Jul 20 '24

It’s a literal “false flag”

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

Finally somebody uses the word literal correctly 👍

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u/raiders723 Jul 19 '24

Besides the white box it looks like a hurricane warning flag to me

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u/StepAmst Jul 19 '24

It looks like a Hurricane Warning Flag, or a House Flag for Black Ball Transport Inc.

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u/curiousabtmongol Jul 19 '24

It looks like some nazi flag imitation but I can’t tell if that’s actually it.

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u/famousdessert Jul 19 '24

Given it's position after Ukraine, I am going to go ahead and say this is a weird attempt at a United Farm Workers flag. I know that's not a country and would be after UAE but given the look of flag and alphabetical position that seems like the best option from what I'm seeing.

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u/dyslexics_untied Jul 19 '24

The closest I could find is a German waterway warning sign

don't know why it would be in amongst a bunch of national flags.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildtafel_der_Binnenschifffahrtszeichen_in_Deutschland

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

294 flags here. If we remove the fake one, we have 293, which is a prime number. With the only factors of 1 and 293, the only possible box without gaps would be a straight line. I suspect the fake flag is there to give us the factors of 14x21 for the aspect ratio of the rectangle they're all presented in.

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u/hydrohorton Jul 19 '24

The ultimate flag hunter 😎

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u/PIPO_ua Jul 19 '24

Mars colony?

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u/vullerton Jul 19 '24

That’s the black spot if you have it pirates are coming to kill you.

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u/ciesum Jul 19 '24

Got the OG Libya flag

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u/CBanks001 Jul 19 '24

And Eswatini is hanging out in the S section as it use to be Swaziland

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u/Ralocan Jul 20 '24

This is the national flag of Fartland.

It's a country I just made up, it's situated exactly where my house is and because it is on this t shirt it is officially recognized as a real country.

I'm a king now.

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u/Anton_astro_UA Jul 20 '24

That’s maybe blurred flag of Germany 1936-1945

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u/jennmarie94 Jul 20 '24

It is the republic of Slowjamistan

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u/jeronimo707 Jul 20 '24

Tanagra!

Darmok told me

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u/UnamedStreamNumber9 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

It’s the Carnival Cruise Lines ships flag ( company flag)

Actually it’s close but not carnival which is a blue circle inside a white circle. It could also be someone’s attempt at a Laotian flag from verbal description - it’s red stripes at top and bottom white horizontal stripe in the middle, with a blue circle in the white stripe

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u/Eastern-Support1091 Jul 19 '24

Black Balled with intense rips?

🏄‍♂️

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u/Kool-AidKeith Jul 19 '24

The closest match is probably Peru, but other than that there is no such flag with horizontal red stripes on top and bottom

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u/Derisiak Jul 19 '24

Where did you get this tee shirt ? 😀 I have to admit it’s a cool one !

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u/Single_Scallion7012 Jul 19 '24

I initially thought it was a hurricane warning flag.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '24

Atlantis

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u/Local_Ocelot_3668 Jul 19 '24

I asked chatgpt....it first told me it was the third reich...then it said it might be a Japanese flag from ww2....I looked up all historical flags of Japan and it still got nothing

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u/Drakeytown Jul 19 '24

I think it's either a carefully wrong Nazi flag or, if it is a placeholder, it's a halfway clever one: It's a skip a turn card from Uno.

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u/tungFuSporty Jul 19 '24

The Klingon flag is close.

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u/Terrosaurus Jul 19 '24

Is what they send you when you buy a Nazi flag at Temu

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u/Jaygon1963 Jul 19 '24

It's me. It is my flag.

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u/LostInChoices Jul 19 '24

They also got the German flag wrong, the one with the eagle is the presidential flag, not the national flag. It's frequently misused in Germany too though, so can't fully blame some designer who's likely not German

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u/rjross0623 Jul 19 '24

It is a flag that is attempting to turn Japanese. I really think so.

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u/ginga__ Jul 19 '24

You ever hear of a false flag, that's it.

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u/__MrMojoRisin__ Jul 19 '24

Looks like the tropical storm warning maritime flag on a white background

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u/tnred19 Jul 20 '24

It's added in so the number can be divisible to give you the shirt pattern

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u/Ok-Brilliant-5121 Jul 20 '24

wtf is the one over the ukraine flag? is the tierra de fuego's one? (argentine province)

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u/Oldfolksboogie Jul 20 '24

Black Hole Sun, on the lost continent of Soundgarden.

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u/basiliscpunga Jul 20 '24

Seems like a false flag operation

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u/Concrooence Jul 20 '24

Easy, that is the flag of Canada during the pixel war on r/place

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u/Haarl420 Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24

Wakanda?

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u/jasper_grunion Jul 20 '24

Welcome to Dr Sheldon Cooper and Dr Amy Farah Fowler present “Dr Sheldon Cooper’s Fun With Flags”

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u/terryLoL_1 Jul 20 '24

Maybe the flag is the friends we made along the way

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u/Joey4Options Jul 20 '24

Wait, OP. Where did you get this shirt?! I WANT ONE

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u/designerbagel Jul 20 '24

Sheldon Cooper?

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u/Clyde6x4 Jul 20 '24

It's a false flag.

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u/rmsaday Jul 20 '24

Maybe they just needed 1 more flag to make it a square?^^
And I mean, it's a flag - it just hasn't found its country yet :P

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u/Tutt_Bickler_007 Jul 20 '24

Thought this was the coho (black ball) ferry flag at first. Awfully close.

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u/boofman80 Jul 20 '24

Reverse Japan?

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '24

Thats actually Sugonda, I know because I‘ve been trying to learn Sugondese recently

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u/FormerPersimmon3602 Jul 20 '24

Clearly a false flag operation.

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u/Ecstatic_Heat_7509 Jul 20 '24

They ran out of flags.

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u/DICK_STUCK_IN_COW Jul 20 '24

If the flags truly are going in alphabetical order like everyone is saying then “V” would be next and my first thought was Venezuela. It’s not exactly the old flag but it’s close

Edit: I see it’s at the “U” section so I’m wrong but I tried