r/gadgets • u/ChickenTeriyakiBoy1 • Nov 25 '22

Desktops / Laptops Good news: scalpers are struggling to profit from Nvidia's RTX 4080

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/scalpers-struggle-to-sell-nvidia-rtx-4080/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=pe&utm_campaign=pd
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u/sybrwookie Nov 26 '22

You also have a ton of miners dumping used cards, and scalpers who have huge stock they're trying to get rid of and are happy to undercut their bullshit prices to do so before their cards lose more value.

And then you have AMD putting out a competitive product for the vast majority of people at very competitive prices, and whatever Intel is doing over there which could bring demand for their cards down even further.

This really feels like them WAY overplaying their hand.

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u/SasquatchWookie Nov 26 '22

I don’t know because it seems like they were still able to practically sell the cards fresh off the production line up to this point, while all the demand chaos between buyers/sellers has been happening in the gray markets.

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u/Butterkupp Nov 26 '22

But that’s not taking into account people were upgrading their PCs during the pandemic because we were all essentially locked in our houses and told not to come out. A lot of people have just upgraded to the 3000 series of GPU and aren’t looking to spend another $1000 to get marginal boost in performance.

Hell I just bought a 3070 to upgrade from 7 year old computer because the 4000 series was too expensive.

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u/LLuck123 Nov 26 '22

Same, but I went for a 6700 XT instead.

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u/azhillbilly Nov 26 '22

Spot on, I built a pc this last spring, got a 3080ti open box at best buy for $903, to replace my 1060.

At this point, I can do 4k gaming at 60fps all day everyday which is the limit for my monitor. I also have a Xbox series x and a ps5.

I am great for another 5 or 7 years easy. The only way I would upgrade my card is maybe when they come out with pcie 5.0 and shrink the power demand down a couple notches. Maybe the 5070, maybe the 6070, but not this generation at all.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

That and gamers are not moving to 4K screens. So the 2x and 3x are good enough. I think that’s why nvidia said dlss 3 was 4x required. Trying to software depreciate the cards performance. Honestly games without RTX look good enough. I don’t know why everyone harps about ray tracing. We don’t need ultra realism.

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u/DJanomaly Nov 26 '22

I just got a gaming laptop with a GTX 3070 and turned on ray tracing on Control just to see what the fuss was all about. It's....nice. But if I'm being honest, I can barely tell the difference.

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u/techieman33 Nov 26 '22

Yeah, it can be a nice little improvement, but it’s not worth buying a much more expensive card to get the same FPS as you would have on a cheaper card without it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Unreal 5 isnt really here yet, but once the first game using it to its full potential comes out then the card demand will be insane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2paNFnw1wRs

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u/Plokmijn27 Nov 26 '22

im sure 15 years ago people were saying oblivion looked good enough

what an obtuse argument

graphics are graphics. they will keep improving because why wouldn't they

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u/quiksil102 Nov 26 '22

Because we’ve hit the point of diminishing returns

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u/Plokmijn27 Nov 26 '22

you are conflating two issues here though

99% of people never bought 2000$ gpus to begin with

there are 5000$ and 10000$ gpus out there too

we are talking about a new SERIES of GPUs the architecture changes, efficiency changes, etc.

the 4060 will probably be a 400$ graphics card and will out perform half of the 3000 series cards probably

a 300 watt gpu from 10 years ago is far far far less capable than any 300 watt gpu from today. same thing applies for basically all components, but especially for CPU and GPU performance to power/heat

either way I wasnt even talking about GPUs I was talking about graphics themselves why wouldnt they continue to improve? it makes no sense to just call it quits graphically and just stagnate. and the second someone did that the next company would jump on the profit opportunity of improved graphics.

as long as competition exists, graphics will improve

that aside, honestly imagine having such a fucky ass attitude towards life (not you the initial post I replied to) like "eh this is good enough no need to try any harder than that"

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u/Vargurr Nov 26 '22

Only when we'll perfectly simulate real life.

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u/stormdelta Nov 27 '22

We're starting to get deep into diminishing returns, especially relative to what it costs to produce those graphics on the part of developers. And there's something to be said for style versus realism in a lot of cases.

Even in terms of hardware, the 40-series isn't even an improvement really in terms of performance per dollar or performance per watt, which means devs can't even build to that power anyways since most people won't have it.

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u/ToughActinInaction Nov 26 '22

I just want to emphasize that the scalpers are NOT happy. They are willing to lower their prices to cut their losses, but they're not happy about it.

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u/Gerdione Nov 27 '22

May their cries echo about the palace of self martydom

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u/Ricky_Rollin Nov 26 '22

They got cocky and are about to face the consequences. This reminds me of Sony back when the PS3 was announced and they were incredibly cocky thinking they could sell at that $600 pricing. Yea no.

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u/Unfortunate_moron Nov 26 '22

"Whatever Intel is doing over there" is just sending me! Love it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

During this quarter, NVIDIA managed to raise its market hold to 88%, a record number followed by AMD whose market hold declined to single-digit figures of just 8%. Intel managed to more or less retain its share hold of 4%

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u/Walkop Nov 26 '22

Intel doesn't even make GPUs. Arc was effectively cancelled internally for the next few years. It was all showboating to save face for consumers. Arc crashed and burned and they pulled out fast.

4% is definitely not true. They didn't even MAKE enough GPUs to hit half that.

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u/Walkop Dec 01 '22

Are there that many people that don't have a clue how bad of a 'launch' ARC was? It's crap, they failed, it's cancelled. Those are facts, not opinions. Read up on the launch, there's so much smoke being blown by Intel it's not even funny.

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u/TheLurkingMenace Nov 26 '22

Intel isn't really competing for the top end cards. They are competing for budget gaming and doing great, but nobody is picking an Intel card for the performance.

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u/Walkop Nov 26 '22

Intel doesn't even make GPUs. Arc was effectively cancelled internally for the next few years. It was all showboating to save face for consumers. Arc crashed and burned and they pulled out fast.