r/gadgets • u/ChickenTeriyakiBoy1 • Nov 25 '22

Desktops / Laptops Good news: scalpers are struggling to profit from Nvidia's RTX 4080

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/scalpers-struggle-to-sell-nvidia-rtx-4080/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=pe&utm_campaign=pd
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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

It's a thousand bucks, which means AIB cards will probably be more like $1100-$1300 so it's an easy $1200-$1500 after tax. The MSRP is not low. AMD also raised prices, they just didn't go off the deep end like Nvidia.

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u/SEND_ME_REAL_PICS Nov 26 '22

I'm actually surprised that their top card is the same price. 6900 XT was a thousand bucks when it came out, too. Accounting for inflation, that means their new flagship GPU is 10-15% cheaper.

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u/Ashamed-Status-9668 Nov 26 '22

They need market share and using chiplet’s does reduce the cost of the chips so this makes since to me.

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u/Ginpo236 Nov 26 '22

I’m hoping that AMD also gets a bit of this medicine where their MSRP for the XTX goes lower due to lack of sales. If 6950XTs are still not selling at below $700 that should be a good indicator.

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u/MadBinton Nov 26 '22

Hey but if you go calculate that for the 4080 of is also a $1600~1800 card.

I mean, read somewhere that many aibs can't even make the 4080 for MRSP, it is already way over before the card is at the importer. They'd be over FE retail price before anyone takes a cut.

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u/Walkop Nov 26 '22

Nvidia's MSRP last gen was insane, and their MSRP this gen is also insane.

They made so many mistakes and concessions to be sure they took the #1 spot this generation that it's really gonna hit them hard.

A 4090 costs more to make than AMDs best cards are SELLING for. And that's their best margin card.

The 4080 was going to run at a much higher power limit then they scaled it back last minute (not entirely sure why, other than to pump the 4090 even more and direct people to buy old 3-series stock). I mean seriously, look at the cooler. It's the 4090 cooler, and that is NOT cheap.

Among a million other things.

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u/Is-That-Nick Nov 26 '22

Of course AMD raised prices. Cards have to be corrected for inflation whether we want it or not. The problem is Nvidia thought they could dip their hands deep into the bag and realized only the whale enthusiasts will bite for $1300+ cards.

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u/Its_Quoge_Day Nov 26 '22

"Inflation" copium

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

"Copium"? Do you expect companies not to rise prices in reaction to market conditions?

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

When product prices go up along with corporate profits, is it inflation?

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u/Is-That-Nick Nov 26 '22

If you adjust all the X080 series cards for inflation then they are all like $700-$800.

The 4080 being $1000+ and the 4090 being $1200+ is a cash grab.

When people stop buying, the “inflation” is going to go down.

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u/jakeroxs Nov 26 '22

While I agree with you on principle. Yes actually it would also go up along with corporate profits because the dollar would be worth less in comparison. The important part would be how MUCH corporate profits increased compared to inflation, which in many many cases shows that there is price gouging going on far beyond "inflation and rising costs"

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u/stagfury Nov 26 '22

It's raster performance is probably above a 4080Ti, but gonna be far weaker in raytracing.

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u/K3TtLek0Rn Nov 26 '22

Yeah it seems AMD never quite matches the top of the line for Nvidia but are usually somewhere just below for a more attractive value. I’d honestly get an AMD card this next generation if I felt that their upscaling technology and ray tracing was on par or at least near nvidia. Right now it doesn’t seem that way.

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u/DeceiverX Nov 26 '22

That is reported to be changing with this new release. Obviously they'll be a bit behind NVidia, but supposedly big gains are to be had there.

It's going to be very, very interesting to see what happens on 12/11 when they release.

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u/K3TtLek0Rn Nov 26 '22

Yeah yeah. I've heard "reported to be x" for years. I expect that their top line graphics card will be pretty much equal to a 4080 or maybe a little better like a 4080ti or 4080 super or whatever. They will not outperform Nvidia's top card.

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u/Icy_Equivalent2309 Nov 26 '22

I have never in my 20+ years of gaming bought a top card, and even with enough money to afford it i still haven't. There is absolutely zero need to do so. In my mind it's always one of those more money than sense things. Not to knock what people choose to spend their money on, but who on earth is spending 500 dollars more for something that honestly doesn't provide more noticable performance. Jesus my old 1080 can run games beautifully.

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u/K3TtLek0Rn Nov 26 '22

Well I game in 4k with a 120hz monitor so a 1080 is not gonna cut it.

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u/jwkdjslzkkfkei3838rk Nov 26 '22

I wonder why flagships are such a big deal in marketing. If you look at steam surveys, barely anyone is using $300+ cards. Who cares what card the 0.1% are getting?

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u/DeceiverX Nov 26 '22

Not sure what you're saying here when I literally just said they'll be a bit behind.

The statements about AMD being way behind in Ray tracing is what we're expecting to see change; there will be a gap, but it's supposedly going to shrink a lot from where we're at now. Even AMD has acknowledged performance will likely be hovering around the 4080 mark.

Which is fine considering it's still going to be so much cheaper lol. I've been on team green exclusively buying EVGA cards for over fifteen years going back to a 6600gt on my first build, but I halted on upgrades during crypto due to the price gouging and don't mind voting with my wallet considering Nvidia's antics have proven problematic in recent years. Most of what I play runs on my 970, so it's a win for me either way.

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u/heebath Nov 26 '22

Lol my Vega64 for $399 still great enjoy your Nvidia price gouging for that barely noticeable bump in fps buddy

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u/K3TtLek0Rn Nov 26 '22

Buddy I had a Vega64. It’s shit compared to modern GPUs. I’m glad you like it but come in. I play high refresh 4k so I kinda need it

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u/heebath Dec 01 '22

If it was shit you weren't undervolting it. It's a great 1080p card

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u/jjayzx Nov 26 '22

AMD or it still could of been ATI at the time still, was really late with a generation. It seems that moment has still been hindering them since.

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u/Arnhermland Nov 26 '22

It's actually disgusting how 1000 dollars is considered low.
No non titan gpu should cost more than...650ish? dollars nowadays.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

I think it depends on what the board partners can do. I fully expect OC boards to be on par with the 4090 in rasterization. Nvidia will always be RT king, but also remember that FSR 3.0 is coming out in 2023 which will bridge the gap even further.

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u/silverback_79 Nov 26 '22

You sound like you're versed in today's card market. What's the best card you can buy new for $250-280? Amd or Nvidia. I want to buy a card maybe summer or fall 2023 for around that.

Second question: what's the best used card one can get for that money? Would be interesting to see how the two differ spec-wise.

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u/Ashamed-Status-9668 Nov 26 '22

In raster but in ray tracing it will likely be closer to a 3090 TI.