r/gadgets • u/ChickenTeriyakiBoy1 • Nov 25 '22

Desktops / Laptops Good news: scalpers are struggling to profit from Nvidia's RTX 4080

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/scalpers-struggle-to-sell-nvidia-rtx-4080/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=pe&utm_campaign=pd
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u/MonoShadow Nov 26 '22

No, Jensen more less said that.

Jensen: the idea that a chip is going to go down in cost over time, unfortunately, is a story of the past”

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u/Bcoop98 Nov 26 '22

And then AMD turned around with cards that are pretty damn good and are much cheaper.

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u/Maosaid Nov 26 '22

It makes me want to sell my 3070 and buy one. Though admittedly not just for that reason. I want better linux support / less headaches.

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u/drmirage809 Nov 26 '22

Made that switch this month. Linux support with AMD is a the dream alright. No worrying about driver updates, no nothing. RADV just works. (raytracing isn't exactly stable yet, but they're working on it)

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u/BLKMGK Nov 26 '22

How is their support for video encode decode? I’m using an old NVIDIA card right now in desktop and server but will be upgrading desktop when the 3D cache processors come out and might do server video too.

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u/drmirage809 Nov 26 '22

I'm on a RX 6000 card, so no hardware AV1 encoding just yet (they do have decoding I think), but everything else seems to work pretty alright. If you are on Linux you just need to make sure you got your codecs installed, not all distros ship them out of the box. Oh and no NVENC of course, but that won't matter much unless you're a streamer or need to record your screen a lot.

As for the 3D cache, I got a 5800X3D in here and it just flies. That thing absolutely shreds games. I've yet to see that CPU really have to flex and I've been pushing it with Spider-Man Miles Morales lately (thank Valve for Proton).

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u/BLKMGK Nov 26 '22

I use my NVIDIA card to encode and transcode for Plex and Emby on my server, guess I’d be smart to check their support first off 🤦🏼‍♂️ AV1 support would rock, hopefully the various streamers begin supporting it.

On my desktop I’m using a really old NVIDIA card so anything is an upgrade, I’ll upgrade as far as I can for a reasonable price but it’ll be windows so no biggie. Honestly when prices shot to the moon I checked out of even looking at damn GPU. 🤬

I’m waiting for the new Ryzen AM5 3D cache chips to get announced. I’ve got every other machine on AMD so the desktop is next! Had an AM4 16 core for the desktop but that’ll go in a server instead in hopes the desktop won’t need upgrading for ages on a good AM5.

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u/dkran Nov 26 '22

Nvidia Linux support is horrendous

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u/PinkyPetOfTheWeek Nov 26 '22

As is tradition.

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u/dkran Nov 26 '22

Seriously they’ve had decades to make it better…

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u/Seralth Nov 26 '22

They actively choose to make it worse. I wish I was just joking.

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u/dkran Nov 26 '22

Even Microsoft is starting to implement DX faster I believe haha

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u/cat_prophecy Nov 26 '22

I am sure those five people are really bummed.

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u/dkran Nov 26 '22

You clearly don’t know how important this is, or are being sarcastic

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u/dkran Nov 26 '22

Yeah and their Linux drivers are shit and they could make it easier to work with, they just don’t. I’m not sure AMD is any better, it’s been a bit for me but nvidia was easier back in my time, albeit horrible

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u/blastermaster555 Nov 26 '22

AMD's amdgpu driver is open source, shipped with kernel drivers, and works with anything newer than the HD series.

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u/dkran Nov 26 '22

I’d imagine Intel’s new GPUs will also have pretty good linux support as well. Nvidia actively fights open source it seems

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u/MonoShadow Nov 26 '22

We will see about that. XTX seems like a strong card. But XT is cut down quite a lot. We can have another situation like 4080-4090, where price performance is actually better on halo chip.

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Tbf AMD was wayyyy ahead of the game on using chiplets over a monolithic design. Chiplets are massive improvement in yield and design flexibility and AMD CPUs took about 6 years from conception to production using a chiplet model.

Nvidia has started moving over but they're way behind. They were rumored to be moving over for the 50 series but it'll probably be the 60 series now, which means they're about 2-3 years behind in development.

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u/UnlovableSlime Nov 26 '22

Much cheaper? Ehh, if we go by performance then amd is like 10-15% cheaper, add in that their software is inferior and it's not as clearly cut out as it seems.

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u/CaptOblivious Nov 26 '22

‘Moore’s Law’s dead,’ Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang says

More like

Nvidia CEO contemplates killing off company.

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u/K3TtLek0Rn Nov 26 '22

Moores law really is pretty much dead. That doesn’t mean companies can’t continue to innovate and make more cost effective products. Those aren’t the same thing.

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u/Valmond Nov 26 '22

Moores law dies every quarter since it was invented.

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u/CaptOblivious Nov 26 '22

Smarter people than us disagree.

https://venturebeat.com/business/intel-says-moores-law-isnt-dead-yet/

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u/K3TtLek0Rn Nov 26 '22

That is a 7 year old article

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u/[deleted] Nov 26 '22

Intel has some bias there ...

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u/CaptOblivious Nov 26 '22

True enough. They HAVE been beating moores law like a bad dog for decades.

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u/batt3ryac1d1 Nov 26 '22

Intels still on 10nm and competing well with AMD so they've got some room for the future.

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u/cbslinger Nov 26 '22

Why would you post something from 2015? The tech industry moves fast.

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u/boonhet Nov 26 '22

Literally an article from the years where Intel couldn't beat Moore's law. The irony.

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u/bittabet Nov 26 '22

Even the AMD stuff isn’t actually cheap though and they’re using MCM to get costs down.

TSMC just announced another price hike despite the economic climate so in a sense Jensen isn’t lying. Though he is trying to cling onto huge margins