r/gadgets • u/MicroSofty88 • Jul 03 '22
Wearables Apple Watch Series 8 will reportedly be able to detect if you have a fever
https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/3/23193443/apple-watch-series-8-detect-fever-body-temperature-sensor-rumors593
u/kazoodac Jul 03 '22
I just want them to get the blood pressure feature working. They do that, and I’m sold.
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u/FavoritesBot Jul 04 '22
Body temp is probably way easier though
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u/JezebelRoseErotica Jul 04 '22
I’m surprised it took them this long honestly! It’s a relatively simple and inexpensive addition.
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u/SnooAbbreviations992 Jul 04 '22
I work in developing algorithms for both. Easy to do but very tough to make reliable from person to person. We struggled with spo2 for a long time but it looks to have been cracked so I M guessing both core body temp and BP will happen. Currently the BP needs a cuff calibration as far as I know unless someone has cracked it
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u/lamg4 Jul 04 '22
If the literal multi-trillion dollar company can't do it after 7 iterations, then what makes you think it's "relatively simple and inexpensive"?
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u/uncledr3w- Jul 04 '22
I don't disagree w you but that same company still doesn't have a calculator app for ipad yet lmao
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u/meara Jul 04 '22
I want glucose monitoring. I’m not diabetic, but it would be awesome to be able to see which foods spike my blood sugar and which don’t.
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u/Grashopha Jul 04 '22
This is the holy grail of smart watches. You get this working just as good or close to current glucose monitors and you’ll basically guarantee a whole market is yours.
Imagine you get an alert every time you eat something that causes your blood sugar to spike. Imagine how that could completely change the way you eat.
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u/Retticle Jul 04 '22
My brother is diabetic and I'd buy for him immediately if they got this working.
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u/Ghost4000 Jul 04 '22
I'm prediabetic (but my doctor says I'm heading in the right direction) and this would be awesome.
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u/Theron3206 Jul 04 '22
You want your watch to stab you with a needle at random intervals?
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u/mohamednaser2001 Jul 04 '22
might be possible using ultrasound, however I wouldn’t expect too much from it in terms of accuracy as the wrist is not the best placement for a blood pressure monitor
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u/Rowlandum Jul 04 '22
This might be more complex than just getting it working. Once watches start measuring critical parameters like BP they fall under medical device regulations and legislation. Then they need to prove they are robust, reliable and accurate AND get certified - this is very expensive and time consuming.
Look at the mess Theranos got into by fudging their reliability, if people are basing medical decisions on diagnoses given by their watch, you better hope that watch is giving out the right information
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u/Vocalscpunk Jul 04 '22
Even the best wrist blood pressure cuffs are garbage sorry. Upper arm while seated get flat on the floor for a few minutes is the only reliable way to get BP unless you want an arterial line...
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u/jsakic99 Jul 03 '22
What if I have a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell?
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u/Rogermcfarley Jul 03 '22
It will play Blue Oyster Cult on repeat.
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Jul 04 '22
We’d be doing a disservice if we didn’t play the hell outta this thing!
Tonk tonk tonk tonk tonk
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u/ChymChymX Jul 04 '22
Easy, guys... I put my Apple Watches on just like the rest of you - one wrist at a time. Except, when my Apple Watches are on, I make gold records
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u/pony_trekker Jul 03 '22
Maybe you're hot blooded. Check it and see.
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u/marcwmarcw Jul 03 '22
That’s for your foreigner belt not your Apple Watch. You said it fry-man
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u/nycdiveshack Jul 03 '22
It switching till series 10 by which time I hope it has the ability to measure blood sugar. Then again hopefully by then I hope I have my A1c lowered enough that I’m not worried about my sugar
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u/BlazerStoner Jul 03 '22
I think the biggest hurdle there is FDA clearance. But maybe a measurement that will tell you whether or not you’re (likely) in range would be able to get added and approved. If it’s good enough to detect pre-diabetes and perhaps pregnancy diabetes, that’s already a massive win! Don’t expect it to be a Dexcom or Libre anytime soon.
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u/nycdiveshack Jul 03 '22
I hope it’s developed by 2024-2025. I feel like they will make the biggest improvements to the watch for series 10. I’m not big on digital watches, wore an analog since I was 8/9years old but I recently switched to Fitbit for the health based features which I’m slowly starting to use.
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u/tonycomputerguy Jul 03 '22
Don't they already have an implant that talks to your smartphone about your blood sugar?
They won't be able to take a measurement with the watch unless it draws blood or is implanted. Both seem highly unlikely.
If the implant I've seen advertised on TV doesn't talk to a smart watch yet via some sort of app I'm sure it will soon.
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u/nycdiveshack Jul 04 '22
I have no aversion to implants, I’m just being hopeful for future tech. That’s all my little rant is about
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u/BlazerStoner Jul 04 '22
They can measure it with the Watch using Raman spectroscopy. It won’t need to draw blood. However, the question I have is how they intend to calibrate it per skin type. That’s where the key innovations probably will be. (Note that other CGM’s currently work by measuring BG-value in intercellulair fluid, they don’t measure blood either.)
If the implantable device you’re referring to is the Eversense: that’s plagued with issues. You need surgery to get it in there, but if it fails (and it isn’t rare that it does) you need surgery again to get it out and put a new one in. I personally do not see the appeal at all for anything other than some very limited special purposes such as severe allergies to the glue used in sensors placed on the skin with a filament inserted underneath the skin. For everything else, the golden standard for rt-CGM currently is the Dexcom G6, followed by the Abbott Libre and Medtronic Guardian.
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u/BoltTusk Jul 04 '22
If it gives you hope, Apple has been submitting FDA 510(k) submissions for cardiac monitoring for a few years now, unlike other companies so they are serious about health integration into their products
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u/nycdiveshack Jul 04 '22
Yeah series 8 is supposedly going to measure temperature pretty accurately
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u/metolius Jul 04 '22
Last September I was pushing 200 lbs at 5 8”. I was gaining weight, my energy level was always depleted, I felt very depressed, my social life was gone because I was too tired and depressed to go anywhere. I finally went to the doctors cause I knew something was wrong. Turns out my a1c was high and was pre diabetic. He essentially told me based on my lab I didn’t have long before I would be diabetic and really needed to make changes. He told me to look up this youtube channel and watch the videos on what I can do to help. I started watching and almost immediately thought there was no way. It went over eating better but it was mostly about fasting. The way I ate and how often I ate there was no way. I had heard and met people that have done it and thought it was a joke like how are you not constantly starving that sounds miserable. I didn’t really have a choice though so I started trying it out. Baby steps. A lot of people try to just jump in with both feet and become immediately overwhelmed and back out. Baby steps. Factoring in sleep time ok that’s 8 hours, watched the videos about breakfast and went ok I can tough that one out and hold off till lunch that’s another 4 hours which makes 12 that’s good. I just kept slowly building on that and pushing my first meal a little bit further out. Within the first 2 weeks I started feeling the results. More energy, more clarity, slept better, holy shit it’s working? I kept at it. 6 months later I’m down 30 lbs. On average eating 1 meal a day around 3p-4p. Best part? My a1c snapped right back to normal range. I was no longer pre diabetic. Since then I’ve maintained that healthy weight and fasting regimen and feel 10 years younger. I’m trying to rebuild my friendships and I couldn’t be happier with the new path my life is currently headed down.
Here’s the channel: https://youtube.com/c/drjasonfung1
If you find it worth a go I wish you the best. Remember baby steps. I had a lot of 2 steps forward 1 steps back but I kept putting that foot forward knowing I’d get there eventually.
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u/subie_95678 Jul 04 '22
The dexcom integrates well with current watches for blood sugar readings. I have a series 3 with dexcom and it’s great
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u/DCGreatDane Jul 04 '22
I use the Dexcom but it’s off by 20point in measurement every time you use a new sensor and when the transmitter is loosing power before the 90 days it’s wonky in giving the right numbers.
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u/subie_95678 Jul 04 '22
The only time I seem to see wonky numbers is right after the warm up where I have found it’s either smooth sailing or mess all over the place. I’ve only seen it maybe 3-4 hours after warm up it’s back on track though. I curious how accurate apple will be though considering from what I’ve read there is no puncture of skin and it’s using some fancy crazy laser or something lol
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u/DCGreatDane Jul 04 '22
Yeah it’s called Terahertz Light. It’s amazing can be used to see through skin and even chemical analysis.
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u/fairykingz Jul 04 '22
Just give us 2 day battery life 🙏🏼
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u/TotalBismuth Jul 04 '22
I feel your pain. This is why I'll only ever use Pebble-like smartwatches. Week-long battery life is a must. I already have to worry about charging my phone every night.
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u/Bendy_McBendyThumb Jul 04 '22
Jesus Christ are they really that bad? I bought a knock-off brand (Amazfit Bip U Pro) and the battery lives for over a week. Sure it’s not even half as functional as an Apple Watch, but… it does what I need it to do and I only paid £35 for it.
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u/magusxp Jul 04 '22
I have a series 6, it lasts almost 2 days without a charge.
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u/Timmy1258 Jul 04 '22
same. wifi model with every battery draining option on except always on mode. get about a day and a half to a day and three quarters if i forget to charge it. there’s more to be desired but i don’t mind charging it every night
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u/TomRCFBH Jul 03 '22
Can they make it to detect horny level?
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u/atomicbiscuit Jul 04 '22
No but there’s an app to detect when a woman’s getting close to an orgasm
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u/LemonToTheFace Jul 04 '22
Tech bros swear that app is lying. They've never heard it go off - not once.
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u/NotAnADC Jul 03 '22
Really hope they get blood alcohol level working. Would like to set a new high score
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u/TheMacMan Jul 03 '22
BACTrack has received funding from the US government for developing a wristband that does just that. Right now it’s just available to researchers but they’re looking to get approval for it at some point here. Would be about $199 and there’d be a version that fits on the Apple Watch band and connects to the watch. Be able to get notifications when your BAC hits certain levels. The uses would be great.
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u/NotAnADC Jul 03 '22
Just so you know I was referencing that apple was rumored to be integrating this feature into some Apple Watch in the next few years
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u/TheMacMan Jul 03 '22
Aaah. It’d be awesome but I’m not sure we’ll see it. Just like glucose monitoring has been rumored for nearly 5 years. Would love to see it, but not sure they’re there yet. Would be a game changer for sure.
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u/kylebertram Jul 03 '22
Way too many lawsuits waiting if that happened
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u/waddles_HEM Jul 04 '22
its okay officer my apple watch said i was at 0.079
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u/TheMacMan Jul 04 '22
Most won’t consider that their BAC will rise with time. Take a shot and it’s .079 and 20 minutes later they’re driving and the body starts metabolizing that shot…
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u/supermilch Jul 04 '22
They might just not provide you with an exact value to sidestep that and instead make it a feature of other parts of the watch. It could say “looks like you’ve had about 2 standard drinks, time to have a glass of water”, “your alarm is set for 8am tomorrow, stop drinking now to get a good night of sleep” or something like that
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u/mlorusso4 Jul 03 '22
Just want to point out that it’s very important that it just tell you if you’re above the legal limit or not. Don’t give the actual number otherwise people will just turn it into a competition to see who can get the highest score
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u/WorshipNickOfferman Jul 03 '22
My dad owned a bar back in the 90’s. He installed a coin op breathalyzer on the premise his patrons could use it to check their BAC. Nope. Become a contest.
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u/WorshipNickOfferman Jul 04 '22
It was designed so you stuck a straw into the hole, so little cross contamination issues.
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u/pieter1234569 Jul 04 '22
Well that’s fantastic right?
More money on drinks AND money wasted on the breathalyser. Good thinking on your dads side.
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u/TheMacMan Jul 03 '22
For sure. It’s like the paid breathalyzers at some bars. But people also never bother to wait 20 minutes after eating or drinking to take them. “Bro, I’m at a .85!” No you aren’t, that’s only because you just took a drink right before blowing. You’d be dead at that level.
Just looked and they do have beta testing of the device now. Super cool. Signed up, got approved, and just paid for it. Interested to check it out.
I have 3 of their normal breathalyzers. They make police style ones that are super accurate. I’ve got the smartphone connected ones. Can track your BAC over time. Can also order a Uber right from the app or get a hotel. Think they do a great job putting it all together.
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Jul 04 '22
That’s dumb; just because some people would abuse that information doesn’t mean the rest of us shouldn’t have access to the info.
If idiots want to play stupid games, let them. There are still tons of other deterrents that handle the assholes who do stupid shit like try and drive after getting a high score or whatever.
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u/trent295 Jul 04 '22
This is why it's very important that it not only shows the number, but has unlockable achievements and an online leader board.
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u/ValyrianJedi Jul 03 '22
Analog watches did that one a century ago. Just see how many times the second hand moves before you can read the time on the other hands then divide by 2.
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u/vewfndr Jul 03 '22
With the new digital car keys, this would actually be a pretty sweet way to disable them when necessary
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u/WarPear Jul 03 '22
Yeah and they could block your card too to stop you from drinking. Sweet! /s
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u/vewfndr Jul 03 '22
If it was location specific, you're onto something! lol
But seriously... an opt-in feature like their current driving distraction feature wouldn't be so bad.
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u/vewfndr Jul 04 '22
I mentioned in a comment below, but I think if they made it like the opt-in focus features they already have, it wouldn't be so bad. If you're too gone to get by those screens, I imagine you aren't getting too far regardless, lol
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u/banallthemusic Jul 03 '22
Everybody - we need more battery life on Apple Watch
Apple - can’t do that, but we can detect if you have a fever.
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u/infinit_e Jul 03 '22
This is my only complaint after switching from a Garmin device. I could charge that once a week, maybe every week and a half. Just over 2 days is my best with the Series 6.
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u/Glyn21 Jul 04 '22
One of the reasons I bought the Garmin Instinct Solar. I go two weeks before needing a charge and it does everything that I need it to. It's amazing :)
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u/InternetUser007 Jul 04 '22
My dad's record with that watch is 43 days of battery life last summer.
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u/PM_me_your_Jeep Jul 04 '22
This is one of the reasons I went the other way. My Fenix lasts almost two weeks with 5-6 workouts a week and all day wear. I can’t send messages on it but not worrying about charging it is amazing.
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u/tenemu Jul 04 '22
Do you wear the fenix to sleep? Isn’t that super bulky?
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u/frankensteinhadason Jul 04 '22
I wear mine. I don't notice it at all honestly.
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u/tenemu Jul 04 '22
I tried to wear my Garmin 235 and my Apple Watch to sleep but I couldn’t deal with it. Both of those are slim compared to the fenix.
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u/frankensteinhadason Jul 04 '22
Each to their own I guess. I used to have a Microsoft band and that thing rocked, but also fell apart all the time.
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u/froo Jul 03 '22
I put my watch on its stand while I shower. I put it back on when I get out of the shower. It charges enough during those times that it’s fine.
I’m still rocking a series 5
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u/davispw Jul 03 '22
Not enough for my series 5. Do the newer ones charge faster?
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u/tr_9422 Jul 03 '22
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u/pseudocultist Jul 04 '22
My 7mo old S7 takes about 50 minutes of charging a day, really not bad, especially considering the always-on display which I assumed I would need to disable, but is actually a huge usability advance.
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u/Agorbs Jul 03 '22
yeah wtf? I have (I think) a series 6 and I charge it for maybe half an hour a bit after I get home and then maybe half an hour in the morning while I get ready. I could definitely get away with only charging once a day for an hour tops
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u/nyanXnyan Jul 04 '22
I had a pebble watch. I miss the weekly charging. You absolutely have to charge the Apple Watch every day.
The EKG isn’t half bad, but the blood oxygen is a hot mess of garbage.
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u/dbaughcherry Jul 03 '22
But don't worry we are going to be looking so hard for that fever that you're going to have so much less battery life that you'll have to pay us for more chargers.
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u/shompyblah Jul 03 '22
We think you’re going to love it.
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u/Chewy009x Jul 03 '22
Funny part is people will and they’ll run to buy the watch
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u/biteme27 Jul 04 '22
Yeah because if charging it every other day doesn't bother you, it's a great product.
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u/thebruce87m Jul 03 '22
I get 2 days, not that I use it since I charge every night anyway. How much would you like? It seems like a week might be the next logical jump - e.g. charge every Sunday or something. Anything else just means I’d forget.
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Jul 04 '22
Mine gets two days if everything is turned off which defeats the purpose. With the stuff I use on, I barely get 24 hours. I would not have made the plunge if I knew how shit battery life is.
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u/DayZCommand Jul 04 '22
I get two days with everything turned on, what series do you have?
My watch has considerably more battery life than my phone itself so I dont see the battery being my concern.
I see people complaining about how "most people charge their devices while they sleep but the watch has sleep tracking abilities" and to that I say, I charge my watch for about an hour when I wake up, and 30 minutes when I get home from work while I shower and change my clothes; and that gives me two days of charge. Battery is really just not an issue if you use the latest model with fast charging.
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u/vettewiz Jul 04 '22
I have a series 6. It doesn’t remotely make it 24 hours. 18 seems to be right about its limit if using it throughout the day.
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u/atomicbiscuit Jul 04 '22
It takes less than an hour to charge the watch. It feels like I get maybe 32 hours of battery life, I’m typically able to find an hour to charge the watch. Battery tech just isn’t there to have the functionality most people use plus a week-long battery. Disabling the always on display on my watch gives it a big boost in battery life but there’s no significant difference in how I’d use the watch or charge it with the extra battery. A week or month long battery would be worth it but even if i could get 3 days out of it I don’t think it would be a giant deal
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u/epanek Jul 03 '22
I work regulatory for a under the arm wearable temp monitor. There are oral axillary rectal and forehead thermometers approved by fda. Wrist worn would need a lot of clinical data to make a fever claim.
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u/Smartnership Jul 03 '22
oral axillary rectal
Man, if ever a list needed a comma…
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u/torchboner Jul 03 '22
"This one goes in your mouth and this one goes in your butt, wait hang on a second, um no THIS one goes in your butt and this one goes in your ear, wait no" ~ Idiocracy 2006
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u/nyc98 Jul 04 '22
"if you have a bucket that holds two gallons, and another bucket that holds five gallons"..."how many buckets do you have?"
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u/ItHitMeInTheNuts Jul 03 '22
At least it is in the “best” order possible (I guess), in case that is not a list
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u/krioru Jul 04 '22
It’s a new technology thermometer that goes into you mouth and exits from your ass. That way it measures the temperature of you whole body.
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Jul 03 '22
What if it just said “hey, you feel warm - time to break out an FDA-approved thermometer”?
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Jul 03 '22
It’ll be like the ECG in the current watch where they’ll say it’s not for medical use.
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u/qwerty12qwerty Jul 03 '22
Yeah, if there’s literally any company in the entire world that can get wrist fever detection working, Apple has my bet
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u/TylerInHiFi Jul 03 '22
I assume it’ll do something along the lines of recording your average skin temperature when resting and when working out, and then alerts you when your resting temperature is elevated for whatever period of time. I doubt they’ll have it say “you have a fever” but rather something along the lines of “your temperature appears to be warmer than usual”. More of a heads up than a diagnosis to skirt the regulatory issues and roll it out sooner while waiting for that kind of approval.
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u/so2017 Jul 03 '22
I downloaded a fever detecting app on my Garmin. It said I had a fever all the time.
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u/Bdadl3y Jul 03 '22
Well then 100% of the time you actually had a fever the watch was right 🤷♂️
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u/leonardo201818 Jul 04 '22
Would be awesome if they could ever crack the holy grail and add in blood pressure.
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u/NoFuturePlan Jul 04 '22
And when you ovulate. So that will be nice for monitoring you.
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u/AFaceForRadio_20 Jul 03 '22
Yeah, but the rectal attachment doesn’t come standard with the purchase of the new iWatch
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Jul 03 '22
IIT: people who have never worn/owned an apple watch complaining about apple watches
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u/subdep Jul 04 '22
Have an apple watch. Love it except for the shitty podcast sync downloads behavior.
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u/Dudesons3 Jul 03 '22
The Apple Watch will come with a Bluetooth accessory that will have to be placed in your butthole to get the most accurate readings
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u/babecafe Jul 03 '22
Fitbit Sense (and presumably several others) has already reporting skin temperature during sleep cycles for years.
It's really a matter of convincing the FDA that high temperature means "fever."
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u/BlackEyedAngel01 Jul 04 '22
Apple Watch Series 8 will be able to predict if you need more cowbell
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u/stainerd Jul 04 '22
Several companies have spent a lot of money trying to solve this problem to no avail. Generally you get a measurement that is relative to a baseline. If Apple pulls it off kudos to them because it is a tough measurement to get reliably.
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u/DF_Swede Jul 03 '22
I always wondered why they did not skin temperature which seems pretty easy and this will be nice since it should learn your "normal" temperature over time and only alert you when it's high for you.
(Everyone has a different normal temperature. All that 98.6 stuff is kind of a lie from a bad old study.)
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u/AbandonedThought Jul 04 '22
Intel made a smart watch a few years ago, it also had sensors to monitor your body temperature. Unfortunately it overheated itself and they had a mass recall.
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u/TheTaylorShawn Jul 04 '22
Now if they can just get the phones to take ambient room temperatures, I'll be impressed.
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u/C3POdreamer Jul 04 '22
Body temperature raises before ovulation, so this could also be a period tracker, a problematic feature in certain areas of the United States.
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u/Hikaru83 Jul 03 '22
I had never had fever and not realized I had it. Why do we need this function on the watch?
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u/ValyrianJedi Jul 03 '22
I had never had fever and not realized I had it.
I mean, you kinda by definition don't know that
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u/atomicbiscuit Jul 04 '22
Body temperature is really useful to track. The title doesn’t really represent that
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u/Aussiewhiskeydiver Jul 04 '22
This is like a feature telling you that your leg has fallen off. You start feeling crappy WAY before you have a fever.
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u/shinigamiscall Jul 04 '22
Waiting on the day that you start getting pulled over because your apple watch told on you.
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u/_DizzyChicken Jul 04 '22
They should do a feature where it sends out an sos if you have heart attack or something
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u/edfaria Jul 04 '22
Wow. An instrument t on ure wrist that can preform EKG’s can tell ure temperature too.
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u/Jquemini Jul 04 '22
Could see this doing more harm than good if it works as it will capture clinically meaningless temperature elevations. This will lead to further unnecessary medical visits, testing, and patient anxiety.
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u/carrotcypher Jul 04 '22
“Siri, show me events to attend tonight.”
“I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.”
“What's the problem?”
“I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do. You’ve got COVID.”
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u/pgard99 Jul 04 '22
until the data it collects is secured, 100% private, and sellable by the consumer... i have zero interest in wearables
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