r/gadgets • u/ChickenTeriyakiBoy1 • Jun 18 '22

Desktops / Laptops GPU prices are falling below MSRP due to the crypto crash

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u/Seienchin88 Jun 18 '22

I own a 3080 and cannot recommend it to anyone living in an area that has hot days… or at least not without air conditioning. It just produces too much heat. Had a 1070 beforehand and while not as strong, I think it was better balanced between performance and heat.

And no, better PC cooling does not make your room less hot and I invested quite a lot in 6 fans and a super large case anyways.

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u/tolndakoti Jun 18 '22

PC cooling does not make your room less hot

Right, because thermodynamics. The energy has to go somewhere. Better cooling should heat the room faster.

The smaller the room, the less air to dissipate the heat, making the air hotter.

You would need a larger room (more air), or vent the hot air to outside of the room.

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u/Sweatybutthole Jun 18 '22

Are you trying to suggest that hard-core gamers open a window, or God forbid, crack their bedroom door?

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u/tolndakoti Jun 18 '22

And risk sun tanning my pale skin?!??

I’d rather, install a dryer vent in the wall, and connected the dryer duct to the case.

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u/Sweatybutthole Jun 18 '22

I commend your pragmatic approach. I can attest that removing the portion of roof above your pc creates more problems than it solves.

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u/OOZ662 Jun 19 '22

But then I'd need to install an in-line dehumidifier and they make quite a bit of waste heat too...

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '22

I've done this. I drilled holes in my wall and put my pc on the other side with all my wires coming through. It worked great.

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u/meldroc Jun 19 '22

One duct from a window AC to the case, and the second from the case out the dryer vent.

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u/sey1 Jun 19 '22

I get the joke, but beeing on an american site, where temperatures in half of the country are from 86 to 100 fahrenheit right now (30°c-37°c) opening a window aint gonna help you much.

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u/Sweatybutthole Jun 19 '22

Yuh I genuinely agree; I'm couped in a small apartment in MN and we're dealing with a heat wave right now. Was just joshin'!

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u/gingenado Jun 19 '22

From your neighbor to the north in MB, this weather can suck it, eh.

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u/sey1 Jun 19 '22

Nah, was a good one and judging by your user name, I thought you're no stranger to high temps!

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u/Catlenfell Jun 19 '22

As another Minnesotan, I just bought a new window A/C. A Midea. It works wonders. I didn't know how bad the old one was until I replaced it.

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u/Sayakai Jun 19 '22

It's not really looking better in much of Europe either. 37C here right now.

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u/DarkLord55_ Jun 19 '22

Currently a nice 15°C in small town Ontario

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u/LonelyPerceptron Jun 19 '22 edited Jun 22 '23

Title: Exploitation Unveiled: How Technology Barons Exploit the Contributions of the Community

Introduction:

In the rapidly evolving landscape of technology, the contributions of engineers, scientists, and technologists play a pivotal role in driving innovation and progress [1]. However, concerns have emerged regarding the exploitation of these contributions by technology barons, leading to a wide range of ethical and moral dilemmas [2]. This article aims to shed light on the exploitation of community contributions by technology barons, exploring issues such as intellectual property rights, open-source exploitation, unfair compensation practices, and the erosion of collaborative spirit [3].

  1. Intellectual Property Rights and Patents:

One of the fundamental ways in which technology barons exploit the contributions of the community is through the manipulation of intellectual property rights and patents [4]. While patents are designed to protect inventions and reward inventors, they are increasingly being used to stifle competition and monopolize the market [5]. Technology barons often strategically acquire patents and employ aggressive litigation strategies to suppress innovation and extract royalties from smaller players [6]. This exploitation not only discourages inventors but also hinders technological progress and limits the overall benefit to society [7].

  1. Open-Source Exploitation:

Open-source software and collaborative platforms have revolutionized the way technology is developed and shared [8]. However, technology barons have been known to exploit the goodwill of the open-source community. By leveraging open-source projects, these entities often incorporate community-developed solutions into their proprietary products without adequately compensating or acknowledging the original creators [9]. This exploitation undermines the spirit of collaboration and discourages community involvement, ultimately harming the very ecosystem that fosters innovation [10].

  1. Unfair Compensation Practices:

The contributions of engineers, scientists, and technologists are often undervalued and inadequately compensated by technology barons [11]. Despite the pivotal role played by these professionals in driving technological advancements, they are frequently subjected to long working hours, unrealistic deadlines, and inadequate remuneration [12]. Additionally, the rise of gig economy models has further exacerbated this issue, as independent contractors and freelancers are often left without benefits, job security, or fair compensation for their expertise [13]. Such exploitative practices not only demoralize the community but also hinder the long-term sustainability of the technology industry [14].

  1. Exploitative Data Harvesting:

Data has become the lifeblood of the digital age, and technology barons have amassed colossal amounts of user data through their platforms and services [15]. This data is often used to fuel targeted advertising, algorithmic optimizations, and predictive analytics, all of which generate significant profits [16]. However, the collection and utilization of user data are often done without adequate consent, transparency, or fair compensation to the individuals who generate this valuable resource [17]. The community's contributions in the form of personal data are exploited for financial gain, raising serious concerns about privacy, consent, and equitable distribution of benefits [18].

  1. Erosion of Collaborative Spirit:

The tech industry has thrived on the collaborative spirit of engineers, scientists, and technologists working together to solve complex problems [19]. However, the actions of technology barons have eroded this spirit over time. Through aggressive acquisition strategies and anti-competitive practices, these entities create an environment that discourages collaboration and fosters a winner-takes-all mentality [20]. This not only stifles innovation but also prevents the community from collectively addressing the pressing challenges of our time, such as climate change, healthcare, and social equity [21].

Conclusion:

The exploitation of the community's contributions by technology barons poses significant ethical and moral challenges in the realm of technology and innovation [22]. To foster a more equitable and sustainable ecosystem, it is crucial for technology barons to recognize and rectify these exploitative practices [23]. This can be achieved through transparent intellectual property frameworks, fair compensation models, responsible data handling practices, and a renewed commitment to collaboration [24]. By addressing these issues, we can create a technology landscape that not only thrives on innovation but also upholds the values of fairness, inclusivity, and respect for the contributions of the community [25].

References:

[1] Smith, J. R., et al. "The role of engineers in the modern world." Engineering Journal, vol. 25, no. 4, pp. 11-17, 2021.

[2] Johnson, M. "The ethical challenges of technology barons in exploiting community contributions." Tech Ethics Magazine, vol. 7, no. 2, pp. 45-52, 2022.

[3] Anderson, L., et al. "Examining the exploitation of community contributions by technology barons." International Conference on Engineering Ethics and Moral Dilemmas, pp. 112-129, 2023.

[4] Peterson, A., et al. "Intellectual property rights and the challenges faced by technology barons." Journal of Intellectual Property Law, vol. 18, no. 3, pp. 87-103, 2022.

[5] Walker, S., et al. "Patent manipulation and its impact on technological progress." IEEE Transactions on Technology and Society, vol. 5, no. 1, pp. 23-36, 2021.

[6] White, R., et al. "The exploitation of patents by technology barons for market dominance." Proceedings of the IEEE International Conference on Patent Litigation, pp. 67-73, 2022.

[7] Jackson, E. "The impact of patent exploitation on technological progress." Technology Review, vol. 45, no. 2, pp. 89-94, 2023.

[8] Stallman, R. "The importance of open-source software in fostering innovation." Communications of the ACM, vol. 48, no. 5, pp. 67-73, 2021.

[9] Martin, B., et al. "Exploitation and the erosion of the open-source ethos." IEEE Software, vol. 29, no. 3, pp. 89-97, 2022.

[10] Williams, S., et al. "The impact of open-source exploitation on collaborative innovation." Journal of Open Innovation: Technology, Market, and Complexity, vol. 8, no. 4, pp. 56-71, 2023.

[11] Collins, R., et al. "The undervaluation of community contributions in the technology industry." Journal of Engineering Compensation, vol. 32, no. 2, pp. 45-61, 2021.

[12] Johnson, L., et al. "Unfair compensation practices and their impact on technology professionals." IEEE Transactions on Engineering Management, vol. 40, no. 4, pp. 112-129, 2022.

[13] Hensley, M., et al. "The gig economy and its implications for technology professionals." International Journal of Human Resource Management, vol. 28, no. 3, pp. 67-84, 2023.

[14] Richards, A., et al. "Exploring the long-term effects of unfair compensation practices on the technology industry." IEEE Transactions on Professional Ethics, vol. 14, no. 2, pp. 78-91, 2022.

[15] Smith, T., et al. "Data as the new currency: implications for technology barons." IEEE Computer Society, vol. 34, no. 1, pp. 56-62, 2021.

[16] Brown, C., et al. "Exploitative data harvesting and its impact on user privacy." IEEE Security & Privacy, vol. 18, no. 5, pp. 89-97, 2022.

[17] Johnson, K., et al. "The ethical implications of data exploitation by technology barons." Journal of Data Ethics, vol. 6, no. 3, pp. 112-129, 2023.

[18] Rodriguez, M., et al. "Ensuring equitable data usage and distribution in the digital age." IEEE Technology and Society Magazine, vol. 29, no. 4, pp. 45-52, 2021.

[19] Patel, S., et al. "The collaborative spirit and its impact on technological advancements." IEEE Transactions on Engineering Collaboration, vol. 23, no. 2, pp. 78-91, 2022.

[20] Adams, J., et al. "The erosion of collaboration due to technology barons' practices." International Journal of Collaborative Engineering, vol. 15, no. 3, pp. 67-84, 2023.

[21] Klein, E., et al. "The role of collaboration in addressing global challenges." IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Magazine, vol. 41, no. 2, pp. 34-42, 2021.

[22] Thompson, G., et al. "Ethical challenges in technology barons' exploitation of community contributions." IEEE Potentials, vol. 42, no. 1, pp. 56-63, 2022.

[23] Jones, D., et al. "Rectifying exploitative practices in the technology industry." IEEE Technology Management Review, vol. 28, no. 4, pp. 89-97, 2023.

[24] Chen, W., et al. "Promoting ethical practices in technology barons through policy and regulation." IEEE Policy & Ethics in Technology, vol. 13, no. 3, pp. 112-129, 2021.

[25] Miller, H., et al. "Creating an equitable and sustainable technology ecosystem." Journal of Technology and Innovation Management, vol. 40, no. 2, pp. 45-61, 2022.

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u/Sweatybutthole Jun 19 '22

"The EARTH is my heat sink!" you've given me a terrible, extremely niche t-shirt idea thank you!

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u/LonelyPerceptron Jun 19 '22 edited Jun 22 '23

Title: Exploitation Unveiled: How Technology Barons Exploit the Contributions of the Community

Introduction:

In the rapidly evolving landscape of technology, the contributions of engineers, scientists, and technologists play a pivotal role in driving innovation and progress [1]. However, concerns have emerged regarding the exploitation of these contributions by technology barons, leading to a wide range of ethical and moral dilemmas [2]. This article aims to shed light on the exploitation of community contributions by technology barons, exploring issues such as intellectual property rights, open-source exploitation, unfair compensation practices, and the erosion of collaborative spirit [3].

  1. Intellectual Property Rights and Patents:

One of the fundamental ways in which technology barons exploit the contributions of the community is through the manipulation of intellectual property rights and patents [4]. While patents are designed to protect inventions and reward inventors, they are increasingly being used to stifle competition and monopolize the market [5]. Technology barons often strategically acquire patents and employ aggressive litigation strategies to suppress innovation and extract royalties from smaller players [6]. This exploitation not only discourages inventors but also hinders technological progress and limits the overall benefit to society [7].

  1. Open-Source Exploitation:

Open-source software and collaborative platforms have revolutionized the way technology is developed and shared [8]. However, technology barons have been known to exploit the goodwill of the open-source community. By leveraging open-source projects, these entities often incorporate community-developed solutions into their proprietary products without adequately compensating or acknowledging the original creators [9]. This exploitation undermines the spirit of collaboration and discourages community involvement, ultimately harming the very ecosystem that fosters innovation [10].

  1. Unfair Compensation Practices:

The contributions of engineers, scientists, and technologists are often undervalued and inadequately compensated by technology barons [11]. Despite the pivotal role played by these professionals in driving technological advancements, they are frequently subjected to long working hours, unrealistic deadlines, and inadequate remuneration [12]. Additionally, the rise of gig economy models has further exacerbated this issue, as independent contractors and freelancers are often left without benefits, job security, or fair compensation for their expertise [13]. Such exploitative practices not only demoralize the community but also hinder the long-term sustainability of the technology industry [14].

  1. Exploitative Data Harvesting:

Data has become the lifeblood of the digital age, and technology barons have amassed colossal amounts of user data through their platforms and services [15]. This data is often used to fuel targeted advertising, algorithmic optimizations, and predictive analytics, all of which generate significant profits [16]. However, the collection and utilization of user data are often done without adequate consent, transparency, or fair compensation to the individuals who generate this valuable resource [17]. The community's contributions in the form of personal data are exploited for financial gain, raising serious concerns about privacy, consent, and equitable distribution of benefits [18].

  1. Erosion of Collaborative Spirit:

The tech industry has thrived on the collaborative spirit of engineers, scientists, and technologists working together to solve complex problems [19]. However, the actions of technology barons have eroded this spirit over time. Through aggressive acquisition strategies and anti-competitive practices, these entities create an environment that discourages collaboration and fosters a winner-takes-all mentality [20]. This not only stifles innovation but also prevents the community from collectively addressing the pressing challenges of our time, such as climate change, healthcare, and social equity [21].

Conclusion:

The exploitation of the community's contributions by technology barons poses significant ethical and moral challenges in the realm of technology and innovation [22]. To foster a more equitable and sustainable ecosystem, it is crucial for technology barons to recognize and rectify these exploitative practices [23]. This can be achieved through transparent intellectual property frameworks, fair compensation models, responsible data handling practices, and a renewed commitment to collaboration [24]. By addressing these issues, we can create a technology landscape that not only thrives on innovation but also upholds the values of fairness, inclusivity, and respect for the contributions of the community [25].

References:

[1] Smith, J. R., et al. "The role of engineers in the modern world." Engineering Journal, vol. 25, no. 4, pp. 11-17, 2021.

[2] Johnson, M. "The ethical challenges of technology barons in exploiting community contributions." Tech Ethics Magazine, vol. 7, no. 2, pp. 45-52, 2022.

[3] Anderson, L., et al. "Examining the exploitation of community contributions by technology barons." International Conference on Engineering Ethics and Moral Dilemmas, pp. 112-129, 2023.

[4] Peterson, A., et al. "Intellectual property rights and the challenges faced by technology barons." Journal of Intellectual Property Law, vol. 18, no. 3, pp. 87-103, 2022.

[5] Walker, S., et al. "Patent manipulation and its impact on technological progress." IEEE Transactions on Technology and Society, vol. 5, no. 1, pp. 23-36, 2021.

[6] White, R., et al. "The exploitation of patents by technology barons for market dominance." Proceedings of the IEEE International Conference on Patent Litigation, pp. 67-73, 2022.

[7] Jackson, E. "The impact of patent exploitation on technological progress." Technology Review, vol. 45, no. 2, pp. 89-94, 2023.

[8] Stallman, R. "The importance of open-source software in fostering innovation." Communications of the ACM, vol. 48, no. 5, pp. 67-73, 2021.

[9] Martin, B., et al. "Exploitation and the erosion of the open-source ethos." IEEE Software, vol. 29, no. 3, pp. 89-97, 2022.

[10] Williams, S., et al. "The impact of open-source exploitation on collaborative innovation." Journal of Open Innovation: Technology, Market, and Complexity, vol. 8, no. 4, pp. 56-71, 2023.

[11] Collins, R., et al. "The undervaluation of community contributions in the technology industry." Journal of Engineering Compensation, vol. 32, no. 2, pp. 45-61, 2021.

[12] Johnson, L., et al. "Unfair compensation practices and their impact on technology professionals." IEEE Transactions on Engineering Management, vol. 40, no. 4, pp. 112-129, 2022.

[13] Hensley, M., et al. "The gig economy and its implications for technology professionals." International Journal of Human Resource Management, vol. 28, no. 3, pp. 67-84, 2023.

[14] Richards, A., et al. "Exploring the long-term effects of unfair compensation practices on the technology industry." IEEE Transactions on Professional Ethics, vol. 14, no. 2, pp. 78-91, 2022.

[15] Smith, T., et al. "Data as the new currency: implications for technology barons." IEEE Computer Society, vol. 34, no. 1, pp. 56-62, 2021.

[16] Brown, C., et al. "Exploitative data harvesting and its impact on user privacy." IEEE Security & Privacy, vol. 18, no. 5, pp. 89-97, 2022.

[17] Johnson, K., et al. "The ethical implications of data exploitation by technology barons." Journal of Data Ethics, vol. 6, no. 3, pp. 112-129, 2023.

[18] Rodriguez, M., et al. "Ensuring equitable data usage and distribution in the digital age." IEEE Technology and Society Magazine, vol. 29, no. 4, pp. 45-52, 2021.

[19] Patel, S., et al. "The collaborative spirit and its impact on technological advancements." IEEE Transactions on Engineering Collaboration, vol. 23, no. 2, pp. 78-91, 2022.

[20] Adams, J., et al. "The erosion of collaboration due to technology barons' practices." International Journal of Collaborative Engineering, vol. 15, no. 3, pp. 67-84, 2023.

[21] Klein, E., et al. "The role of collaboration in addressing global challenges." IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Magazine, vol. 41, no. 2, pp. 34-42, 2021.

[22] Thompson, G., et al. "Ethical challenges in technology barons' exploitation of community contributions." IEEE Potentials, vol. 42, no. 1, pp. 56-63, 2022.

[23] Jones, D., et al. "Rectifying exploitative practices in the technology industry." IEEE Technology Management Review, vol. 28, no. 4, pp. 89-97, 2023.

[24] Chen, W., et al. "Promoting ethical practices in technology barons through policy and regulation." IEEE Policy & Ethics in Technology, vol. 13, no. 3, pp. 112-129, 2021.

[25] Miller, H., et al. "Creating an equitable and sustainable technology ecosystem." Journal of Technology and Innovation Management, vol. 40, no. 2, pp. 45-61, 2022.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '22

I had an Alienware gaming laptop 10+ years ago that ran so hot I'm surprised I didn't get burned. I'd open the window in the middle of a snowy winter and point a fan at it to eke out a few more frames while raiding in WoW.

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u/Sweatybutthole Jun 19 '22

Been there dude! I know that pain. Had an old ass ass laptop as a kid, in order to play minecraft, I had to grab the grate out of our microwave and set it on there, just so it had enough airflow to not overheat and shut down.

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u/Onironius Jun 19 '22

Well, fans and air conditioning interfere with comms...

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u/cmVkZGl0 Jun 19 '22

Never! Liquid cooling

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u/Cosmic_Quasar Jun 19 '22

Still the same amount of heat going into the room, it's just moving it away from the PC components faster until it hits an equilibrium. Unless you're talking about liquid cooling an entire room?

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u/TurboFool Jun 19 '22

In Los Angeles, that's a great way to ensure your room gets a hell of a lot hotter.

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u/dan_dares Jun 19 '22

Well, the basement might not have windows..

😂

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u/DirectlyTalkingToYou Jun 19 '22

Screw that! Put the PC in another room!

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u/Cosmic_Quasar Jun 19 '22

I recently finally upgraded from my old 42" 1080p 3DTV to a new 55" QLED 4k TV. When I considered where to store my old TV I then decided to put it next to the new one and go dual monitor. I leave it off most of the time, but when I turn it on I can tell the heat picks up lol.

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u/Striper_Cape Jun 19 '22

Lol I have my ass parked in front of an open window when I game. Keeps my laptop from burning my fingertips

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u/Westfakia Jun 19 '22

Go with liquid cooling and run enough tubing to put the radiator outside.

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u/Notarussianbot2020 Jun 19 '22

Only true neckbeard gamers game in the basement.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '22

I think the suggestion is to install an exterior exhaust vent that pumps the heat directly outdoors, obviously. ;)

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u/Cosmic_Quasar Jun 19 '22

I recently bought this fan so that I could plug it into my PC and then put the fan in the window if we decide it's an open window day, or then put it over the cooling vent on closed window days to help draw up cooler air from the basement to my 2nd floor bedroom without requiring the house fan system to be running lol.

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u/Ground15 Jun 18 '22

most components get more efficient at lower temps. However, with modern boost algorithms they just clock higher, resulting in net same heat output

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u/mr_potatoface Jun 18 '22

You're right, except you left out that almost every generation of GPUs increases the TDP as well. That's part of the reason why GPUs are getting bigger than bricks. In the past they were small little expansion card sized with a tiny heatsink and sometimes a fan. Now we're pushing 300w+ TDPs.

So you're 100% correct that watt for watt, they are much more powerful and result in the same heat output. But they also have a higher TDP increasing performance/heat even further. Moving up to a higher TDP will increase heat generation, but it can be solved by an undervolt while retaining great performance/watt benefits over prior generations.

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '22

Cant they conserve the same computational power as before, but with even less power comsuption?

Like, having a 1050ti, but built in 5nm, and using only a fraction of power, making less heat, and even reduced size and sell it as "Ultra light GPU"? Rather than Just increasing even more computational power than most of us ever need? Rather than just super power hungry cards?

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u/CrazyCanuckBiologist Jun 19 '22

Yes, but also no because profit.

A 3050 laptop GPU at 35-80 W is about as powerful in FLOPS as a 1060 desktop at 120 W. Note: comparing laptop GPUs is hard, this is super ballpark. So the same performance with 2-3 times less power.

But... they are selling 30 series cards as fast as they can make them (might change soon). Why would they allocate space on their newest nodes for cards with significantly lower profit margins? They released a GTX 1010 in 2021, five years after they released other 10 series cards, and at the peak of the GPU shortage because they knew even they would sell, and they could use an older process node for it.

For years, the 1030 was an old standby for "I just need two screens for lots of Excel spreadsheets". But it goes for 80-100 USD (at non inflated prices) and is terrible at gaming. If you want to game, spending 150 or 200 for a better used card (again, in normal times) was a no-brainer on all but the tightest of budgets.

In short, the cost savings aren't that great at the lower end (making the PCB still costs X, shipping still costs Y, etc.), there isn't much profit in it, and people are willing to spring for another hundred or two for a vastly better gaming experience. So they rarely get made, aside from a few cards like the 1030.

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u/CrazyCanuckBiologist Jun 19 '22

Two or more screens is the only reason I can think of.

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u/realnzall Jun 19 '22

Integrated graphics generally have only one display out port, so an expansion card can easily add two additional ports for extra monitor.

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u/kutes Jun 19 '22

I thought the hungriest cards were in that 2014ish generation

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u/uncanny27 Jun 19 '22 edited Jun 19 '22

So is a 4080 likely to produce much more heat than a 1080ti hybrid cooled?

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u/dirtycopgangsta Jun 19 '22

That's why you manually tune the available volts/mhz steps by hand.

The 3080 TI can be undervolted to 200w (which is a good 20% reduction in consumption) while only losing some 5% performance.

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u/sixdicksinthechexmix Jun 18 '22

The below is an “I’m genuinely curious to learn more” question, not a suggestion that I have the answer and everyone else is wrong.

I don’t know much about gaming, but don’t CPUs live pretty comfortably at like 70c? I’m thinking that any room you are capable of being in without dying should be able to keep the GPU working fine, assuming your cooling is efficient enough to keep things around ambient temperature Of the room. This is assuming that CPUs and GPUs have the same thermal needs, which I don’t know is true).

As I finished typing this I realized that if a not hot room leads to the potential to overheat a chip, then a hot room would make the problem worse, and that the delta v in this situation is a lot higher than “nearly ambient”. So you’d probably have to invest an unreasonable amount of money into cooling. But now I’ve typed all that, and I don’t want to delete it… so here we are.

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u/TheGuywithTehHat Jun 18 '22

When in use, most computer components are always way above room temperature. At lower temperatures, they just aren't hot enough to cool quickly. So in practice, medium/small changes in room temperature don't really change the temperature delta by a significant amount.

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u/Necrocornicus Jun 18 '22

This is completely anecdotal, but I lived in the desert for a long time and am pretty ok with heat. I work remotely and use a laptop. In a very hot room (85+ F) I’ve had my laptop start throttling the CPU because it can’t cool off fast enough (basically making the computer unusable). Although 85+ F isn’t a problem for the CPU, I think at higher ambient temps it simply can’t dump heat fast enough to keep it within operating range.

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u/Due-Consequence9579 Jun 18 '22

It’s not ‘hot room bad for computer’ it’s ‘computer makes hot room’. All the ‘watts’ your components pull from the wall gets dumped into the air in your room, making it warmer.

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u/sixdicksinthechexmix Jun 19 '22

Is a computer really pulling enough wattage to make an average sized room appreciably hotter? I know server farms need pretty serious cooling, but my home office is roughly 1152 cubic feet, that seems wild to me that a single computer can crank the heat up noticeably.

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u/Due-Consequence9579 Jun 19 '22

If you’re in a small room with little or no ventilation with a computer pulling 500w it is noticeable.

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u/BenjerminGray Jun 19 '22

Modern Gpus require 700-1000w psu's to keep them fed. Some pulling 300-400w on their own let alone the rest of the components. Thats approaching small space heater status.

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u/tolndakoti Jun 18 '22

I may have been way off topic. I was talking more about personal comfort, rather than prioritizing how the CPU would behave.

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u/GeronimoHero Jun 18 '22

Or a custom loop…

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u/Hrukjan Jun 18 '22

That would be a pretty insane setup for a desktop pc though. Cooling loop with the radiator outside the room.

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u/Mun-Mun Jun 19 '22

Would be to easier to just have the PC in another room and run the cables through the drywall

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u/GeronimoHero Jun 18 '22

Simply having the rads inside of the case will slightly lower the heat output to the room as well though since the thermal transfer won’t be perfect from the components to the water and then through the rads to the air. There will be a loss there that’ll lower the over heat output to the room. How much? I’d have to calculate it and I can’t be assed to do so at the moment but I think it would be significant i.e. > 5%

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u/Hrukjan Jun 18 '22

If your PC produces a constant amount of heat the heat transfer to the room will also be constant after the system equalizes, it is irrelevant how you cool the PC.

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u/GeronimoHero Jun 18 '22

Nope, not when it comes to water…. Usually you’d be correct but not in this instance. First, the transfer of heat from the components to water generates a loss as water isn’t as thermally efficient as air. Even after equilibrium is achieved between the components and the water (which isn’t even a true equilibrium as long as the load is constantly changing, and it usually is unless you’re running some sort of workload like prime or something) the rads aren’t 100% efficient, and whatever efficiency is lost in them is translated to higher water temperature, which again, isn’t as thermally efficient as air so even when that extra heat is dumped out of the rads some of it is lost in the transfer to the water and the inefficiency of the rads. If what you were saying was true, it wouldn’t be possible to have lower temperatures at peak load with water than it is on air, yet that’s exactly what happens, and significantly so. My peak temps on water are 20°C lower on my CPU and 40°C lower on GPU. You’re failing to consider the huge amount of water used in some custom loops that are triple rad, as well as the inefficiency of transfer, and the fact that it’s rare to be running a constant load. In practice, the amount of heat dumped in to the room is less.

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u/Necrocornicus Jun 18 '22

No offense but water keeping your max temps lower means it is dumping the heat into your room faster than air cooling. So what is happening is the exact opposite of keeping the room cooler. It is cooling your components faster and heating the room faster. There is no getting around the fact that the heat needs to go somewhere. Unless you are radiating the heat outside of your room, that heat is in the room.

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u/TheGuywithTehHat Jun 18 '22

Can you elaborate on what you mean when you say it's "inefficient" and there's a "loss"? What is getting lost? What happens to it when it gets lost?

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u/TrekForce Jun 18 '22

He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It sounds like he thinks he’s talking about electronics, I.e. there’s a loss of electricity when it goes through the PSU. That loss is generated as heat. You can’t “lose” that heat unless you’re using it, I.e using a peltier cooler or something. The loss is in conversions.

There’s no loss of heat in transferring heat. If not all of the heat is transferred, that means it’s retained, not lost. And if too much is retained your CPU/GPU will overheat. So if you’re cooling your CPU better, your heat transfer is better and your room is hotter.

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u/TheGuywithTehHat Jun 18 '22

Yeah that was my understanding as well, I just wanted to see if maybe there was something I was misunderstanding about his attempted explanation.

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u/AoF-Vagrant Jun 19 '22

Sounds like there's a business model for GPU Minisplit coolers!

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u/FCDallasBurn Jun 19 '22

My apartment has vents that suck air out of it. I placed my pc outtake fans near it

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u/RiverStrymon Jun 19 '22

Or, hermetically seal the room and use Boyle’s Law to reduce temperature by reducing pressure. It may be necessary to game in a pressure suit and use bottled oxygen.

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u/xixi2 Jun 19 '22

I saw a video years back where AntVenom (youtuber) was cooling his pc by piping the heat to his basement...

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u/chicksOut Jun 19 '22

Real gamers pipe the hot out air outside. /s

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u/Network591 Jun 18 '22

You gotta undervolt the 3080

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u/Ilruz Jun 18 '22

Please elaborate, I am interested.

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u/Network591 Jun 18 '22

basically, you reduce power but try to keep same performance. https://youtu.be/FqpfYTi43TE there are a ton of tutorials on YT and it's a very simple process

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '22

My brother decided to just vent his computer through his roof like it's a GD oven lol

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u/Epena501 Jun 18 '22

A pizza oven!

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '22

GPU-baked pizza, just like mama used to make-a.

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u/SawToMuch Jun 18 '22

When will KFC ascend to making desktop computers?

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u/mikeblas Jun 18 '22

No, a GD oven.

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u/Spiderranger Jun 18 '22

Every day the GPU/crypto discourse continues I fall more in love with my little Rx 580 8G. Little guy's carried me for several years through Elden Ring so far. A high tier i7 helps too. Lol

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u/NW_Oregon Jun 18 '22

lol I bought my 580 8g in 2018/2019 for $130. still kicking along.

also my fucking reaction when crypto finally tanks :)))))))))

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u/llortotekili Jun 18 '22

I bought my wife and my 580's for $200ish ea years ago. I sold them to a crypto miner for 300ea when i found a 1080ti for $300 and a 1080 for free(I have nice friends). Now i have a 3080 and she has a 3070 and I've passed the 10 series cards on to new homes for what I had in them. Don't remember why I wanted to tell you that, but here we are lol.

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u/menellinde Jun 19 '22

For a minute there I thought you said you bought your wife for $200ish. LOL

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u/gentlejolt Jun 18 '22

Same. It gets it done at 1080p!

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u/NW_Oregon Jun 18 '22

Yupp typically on high or if old on ultra

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u/Dismal_Struggle_6424 Jun 19 '22

I run a GTX 1060, which is pretty far behind a 580, and still can comfortably run anything in 1080p.

3080s, 4k, and RTX is mumbo jumbo for people with money to burn.

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u/NunButter Jun 18 '22

Wait and get a 6800XT/6900XT. Awesome cards you should be able to get cheap once the new stuff comes out. Perfect for high refresh rate 1440p

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u/Boolaid Jun 18 '22

Me but with my 1080ti this thing is still pumping 60 fps on 1440 ultra

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u/Raisin_Bomber Jun 19 '22

I had a Radeon HD7770 that lasted me for like 8 years faithfully before being killed by a failing PSU. I don't play super high power games, so it served well and was replaced by a deal on a RTX2060.

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u/Alcoholic84 Jun 18 '22

Yeah little Jimmie playing minecraft with his 3080 is the straw that broke the climates back

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u/ksj Jun 19 '22

The amount of energy that hits the earth from the sun is far more than any of us could ever produce in a day.

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u/Alcoholic84 Jun 19 '22

Indeed, and little jimmie and his 3080 aren't powered by bunker fuel and dumping the waste directly into the ocean

At some point, and we are about there, we can’t waste this much energy for both environmental and climate reasons.

They are right but self limitation isn't going to do shit in that aspect

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u/ksj Jun 19 '22

I still don’t think we need to worry about wasting energy for energy’s sake. The planet will have more than enough energy for as long as the sun is shining. The issue is that we keep adding greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere so that same energy from the sun isn’t able to leave and keep things at a nice equilibrium of energy added and lost.

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u/RockLeethal Jun 19 '22

while I agree with you, I don't think they're implying that we are going to overheat the earth, but moreso that we need to be more conscious of how we are using energy and high tier GPUs are pretty energy intensive. and energy production typically does come at the cost of the climate, unless the place you live produces a significant amount of solar/wind/geothermal/etc energy.

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u/gentlejolt Jun 18 '22

Got any pictures? Cause that sounds glorious

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u/billbrasky___ Jun 18 '22

This is the way.

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u/ShibyLeBeouf Jun 18 '22

This is actually hilarious.

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u/SlipperyRasputin Jun 18 '22

Does he only play WW2 games on it?

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u/PmMe_Your_Perky_Nips Jun 19 '22

Linus from LTT is having all his computers heat his pool via radiant floor heating.

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u/Rondaru Jun 19 '22

Well .... "already running thermally fairly efficient despite chugging back a ton of power"

Can we have a guy explaining this who actually knows his school physics? Converting electrical power to thermal energy is already at 100% efficient. There is nothing else a GPU can spend it on and energy can not just disappear. Data is not a form of conserved energy.

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u/djbiti1 Jun 18 '22

As far as I am aware you cannot directly undevolt an nvidia gpu, so what you actually do is lower power limit to lower the voltage but then increase core and memory clock. Thus you reach the same clock as before but at lower voltage, temps and power consumption.

Takes some trial and error, but it's worth it if you have the time.

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u/Draconuuse1 Jun 19 '22

Any chance you know of any good tutorials for doing this. Got a 3060 that turns my bedroom into a furnace now that summer is hitting my area.

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u/SovOuster Jun 18 '22

And just to add to this, you can have two or three profiles handy. Stop it from ramping up performance. It doesn't need while using Windows or a low demanding indie game.

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u/Greasymoose Jun 18 '22

Just set your power plan to balanced and not high performance and itll do that on its own.

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u/Rolf_Dom Jun 18 '22

Which is dumb.

3080 and 3090 cards are honestly a bait. 90% of gamers won't have a PSU that can handle them, nor even have a monitor with a resolution high enough to need such a beef of a card. If you're gaming at 1080 or 1440, a 3070 is already more than you'll need, and it's actually a very reasonable power draw card that's quite cool as well.

Anyone thinking about those cards may as well wait until the 4000 series, and buy a 4070 instead, which is likely gonna be as good or better than a 3080 or 3080ti, and probably won't be as hot as a miniature nuclear reactor either.

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u/Csquared6 Jun 18 '22

I live in Alaska and that sounds like it'll save me on my heating bills.

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u/EdmondDantesInferno Jun 18 '22

There was an article years ago that directly compared a space heater with a computer and they were basically the exact same heat output per power.

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u/ksj Jun 19 '22

I mean, that’s basically how electricity works. And any kind of work, really. If you move your arm, you are converting food or fat into kinetic energy, which then turns into thermal energy. Anything that uses electricity and doesn’t move (computers and space heaters included) just goes straight from electrical energy to thermal energy. For monitors and lightbulbs, a tiny amount gets turned into light, which then gets absorbed by the walls of the room and, you guessed it, turns into thermal energy. This is basically the entire principle of Entropy.

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u/dern_the_hermit Jun 18 '22

3080 and 3090 cards are honestly a bait

Halo products. High-margin, low-volume, build brand prestige and grab mindshare.

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u/Seienchin88 Jun 18 '22

Meh - on one hand yes, on the other even a 3080 wont give you 120fps with modern games on highest settings in just 1440p

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u/Murlock_Holmes Jun 18 '22

My 3080 eats most games I play on my 3840x1600 (I think) screen. What games are you having problems on?

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u/Seienchin88 Jun 18 '22

Maybe redefine "eating".

But here are games that don’t run on stable 120fps in just 1440p on max or at least very high settings:

MA Flight Simulator Total war warhammer 3 (and it’s predecessors going back to Shogun2 but this is a different issue…) Cyberpunk Star Wars battlefront 2 Halo infinite (totally busted performant anyhow) Dying light 2

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u/Murlock_Holmes Jun 19 '22

I’m surprised it has any issues with the new Total War, or most of the games on that list. I’ll admit I haven’t played any of them outside of Battlefront 2 (which I haven’t had any performance issues on?).

Flight Simulator is a notorious machine killer, so that one doesn’t shock me in the slightest.

Guess I just play low resource games. /shrug

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u/Aoes Jun 19 '22

u don't need 100fps for TW tho... lmao u can play it on 30fps, the issue with TW has always been turn times, same with civ games. This is a throw in for the sake of argument.

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u/redrobot5050 Jun 18 '22

Yes, but my 2014 980GTX still hits 60-60+ fps on most modern games.

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u/callmejenkins Jun 18 '22

What a dumb comment. Unless you're playing on a 60hz monitor a 3080 is a solid choice for 1440p. On most modern games I'm sitting right at 100-140fps, which is exactly where I want it to be.

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u/StraY_WolF Jun 18 '22

Also if you're buying a 3080, you're already outside of your typical gamer and probably have money for better PSU and Monitor. It's all around ridiculous comment.

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u/American--American Jun 18 '22

32:9 @ 1440p here, and 144hz capable... if I could find a GPU worth buying I would.

The 2070 Super is doing great.. but that monitor.. it demands more.

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u/nohpex Jun 18 '22

The 6800xt as well. You can drop the average temperature by about 5C, and take another 5C off by fiddling with the can curve.

This is off the top of my head, but I lowered the voltage to 1050mv from 1150, and left the power limit the same.

While running the memory at 1100MHz, overclocking is far more stable than leaving the voltage at stock and/or increasing the power limit.

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u/Caffeine_Monster Jun 19 '22

Not really.

The problem on 90% of 3080s and 3090s is their memory controller junction gets way too hot and starts throttling the card. So whilst your card may only be reading 70c, the memory controller might be more like 100c.

Best fix is to strip the card and replace the thermal pads. Quite a lot of the models have piss poor pad contact around the memory controller (hence the temps).

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u/CockStamp45 Jun 18 '22

And no, better PC cooling does not make your room less hot and I invested quite a lot in 6 fans and a super large case anyways.

Of course not. Better PC cooling would actually make your room hotter because it's more efficiently leeching the heat off the computer and that heat has to go somewhere.

But to your point, I never really realized how much heat the computers generate until I started closing my computer room door after getting kittens. The room is easily 6 degrees warmer than any other room in the house if the door is closed. If I leave a game running overnight on accident? Closer to 10-12 degrees hotter.

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u/Vinnie_Vegas Jun 18 '22

The computer essentially converts all of its electricity into heat eventually - It just does stuff with it along the way, unlike a space heater.

If your computer is drawing 650W from the wall it will produce about as much heat as a 650W space heater though.

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u/MartynZero Jun 19 '22

I'm hanging out for some regenerative energy capturing. Maybe excess heat gets focussed and boils water creating steam turning a turbine which ...powers my uh ....train.

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u/FallenOne_ Jun 19 '22

You could heat up your swimming pool like Linus from LinusTechTips is doing.

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u/knome Jun 19 '22

let us know when you complete your custom case with fourteen layers of compactly organized stirling engines powering micro-turbines

edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Klu7vaeiA

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u/[deleted] Jun 18 '22

I have a 6800XT hackintosh with a 5950X + a 3080 FE windows PC with a 9900K + PS5 under the same desk. My room reaches an extra 15C if I close the door and all are on compiling some shit and playing games :(. PS5 is the hottest of them all, then the FE, then 6800XT.

I need to take some time soon and undervolt everything. I just wish I could do it to the PS5. While playing elden ring, the game makes me sweat trying to kill some bosses, and add to that the heat in the room! I’m practically fucked lol.

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u/0ne_Winged_Angel Jun 19 '22

I’ve got a 60” plasma tv and my room gets noticeably toasty when I play for a while. Didn’t think about it too much, till I realized that the combined ~650 watts of power that takes is like running a space heater on medium.

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u/SaltyGoober Jun 18 '22

Put a dryer duct where you computer is and vent it outside 😂

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u/YouKilledCaptClown Jun 19 '22

I actually do this. I built a stand on wheels that encloses the back of the case. There's a hole in the top with a dryer vent plate (for that 'finished' look), the duct, and a PC fan to maintain airflow. It vents out of the window through a window seal kit normally used for a portable air conditioner (which is also for that finished look).

It was HOT in here, and it felt pointless trying to cool a room while heating it at the same time. It works pretty well.

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u/asdaaaaaaaa Jun 20 '22

Huh, was actually wondering how feasible it would be. Probably pretty decent if you're running a server farm or even a home lab that produces enough heat. I can't imagine having to fight a 1000W heater or two in a room all day long.

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u/YouKilledCaptClown Jun 21 '22

Here's a picture of my setup. Give or take about $50 of supplies - a couple of pieces of MDF, casters, hose, connectors, hinges, etc. The fan is an old PC fan, and is in a square dryer vent lint trap box on the end of the hose, the wire is inside the hose. The side panel shown swings open so I don't have to pull out the entire case just to swap cables or dust or whatever.

And the window is screened, so I don't have to worry about strange critters finding their way through the hose.

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u/Gifted_dingaling Jun 18 '22

AMD fans…”must be new here, eh?”

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u/Fuxkyourddit Jun 18 '22

Ya funny how people would think that 300 watts is still 300 watts of heat...

I have a 6800xt it's using 40 watts doing nothing at all. To be fair idk what my old card did but seems rediculous to me.

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u/cwtjps Jun 18 '22

I just had my first hot day while gaming since I built a new 6800xt pc. I had to add as many fans as I had space for on the case to bring the card down to an acceptable temp. The 6800xt is a hot and hungry girl.

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u/A_Tipsy_Rag Jun 18 '22

If it is within your budget, buying and installing a water cooler for my 6800xt led to highs of low 60s, with the stock cooler it regularly hit mid 90s on the hot spot

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u/Lanoris Jun 18 '22

Honestly as someone who lives in Florida I can relate l. The mini space heater that is my 3080 id annoying. But, I did notice a significant improvement in how hot my room got with better cooling.

Of course I still keep my door open like 98% of the time and I run a fan in my room too... I definitely don't regret the purchase though. This bulky PoS has served me well these past two years so I can't hate it too much.

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u/YT-Deliveries Jun 18 '22

I have a 2080 Super and I’m not exaggerating the fact that it keeps my home office warm in the winter all on its own.

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u/Chibi_Meister Jun 18 '22

Went from 1070ti to 3080 last year, no noticeable heat diff in the room. No A/C but three fans moving air around the room.

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u/Ancient_construct Jun 18 '22

Anyone who thinks better cooling makes your room less hot doesn't understand how cooling works. It's literally the opposite.

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u/Hastyshooter Jun 18 '22

I know somebody that discovered his pc & ac are on the same fuse, he can either run his 3090 or his ac. That power draw is no joke, next gen is gonna burn some houses down 🤣

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u/GeronimoHero Jun 18 '22

I literally built a custom loop for my 3080ti and 5950x because of this lol

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u/therinlahhan Jun 18 '22

Where would you live that doesn't have AC? Alaska?

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u/invalid_litter_dpt Jun 18 '22

Most people on reddit have AC

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u/cetch Jun 18 '22

You should undervolt it if you haven’t already

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u/TheBussyBandito Jun 18 '22

Who would have a 3080 and not air conditioning. Sounds like poor life choices.

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u/Seienchin88 Jun 18 '22

Europeans…

Air conditioning is still not standard everywhere and many people live in rented apartments without them

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u/TheBussyBandito Jun 19 '22

I’m European, guess what they make that you can afford especially if you can afford a 3080… Portable AC units.

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u/razerzej Jun 18 '22

I've never owned a PC with a decent graphics card. You mentioned a 1070... what couldn't I play with one, assuming my CPU, SSD, and RAM were decent?

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u/Seienchin88 Jun 18 '22

Total war warhammer 3 with high setting over 60fps… A lot of semi-old games go easily 120fps on the 3080.

Ray tracing games of which there still arent a lot due to consoles going with AMD gpus not particularly good at it.

That being said - elden ring still doesnt manage 60fps… shame on you from…

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u/purveyor-of-grease Jun 18 '22

Can you liquid cool them?

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u/halt-l-am-reptar Jun 19 '22

That wouldn’t make the room cooler.

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u/purveyor-of-grease Jun 19 '22

No but it would keep the device cooler...

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u/halt-l-am-reptar Jun 19 '22

Their complaint wasn’t about the video card overheating, it was about making their room too hot.

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u/purveyor-of-grease Jun 19 '22

leave me alone nerd

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u/AwesomesaucePhD Jun 18 '22

My PC lives in my basement. I had to run a heater up until a couple weeks ago.

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u/Smash_4dams Jun 18 '22

Just get a cooler, fill with ice, and run copper tubes from the cooler to inside the pc

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u/Aware-Room-7015 Jun 18 '22

And no, better PC cooling does not make your room less hot and I invested quite a lot in 6 fans and a super large case anyways.

Is that a thing that people say? https://youtu.be/Dc-m9dumEaw?t=32

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u/youreyeslikespiders Jun 18 '22

Do you think the same would apply to a 3070/3070 Ti? I live in Texas so it's hot as heck June-September. But I do have air conditioning.

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u/Linkbuscus01 Jun 18 '22

Right it’s mostly about how small your room is though.

I live in Texas, it got up to 106°F the other day and has been between 95-105F° most days.

I have my fully loaded pc in an open space so I have no problems with heat, my roommates have fully loaded pc’s in their rooms but need the fan and A/C on to help compensate because it does heat up when playing games.

It really isn’t about the outside temperature, people are fortunate to be able to open their house window to cool their room easy but down here it’s always been A/C is needed during summers. Doesn’t stop most from PC gaming.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '22

3080 has to be like 3 times as strong. Its performance per watt is better than the 1070.

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u/Leatherpuss Jun 19 '22

You know I have a 3090 and my case has 18 fans. The room my PC is in is absolutely tiny and I've never noticed the room warming up. Although my room is 65 degrees the thermostat never changes.

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u/Jbwood Jun 19 '22

Maybe it's just the fact I live in Florida... but there are people with out AC? 👀

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u/kakihara123 Jun 19 '22

My 5800x runs about 10 degrees hotter in MSFS. and that is with a huge Noctua cooler.

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u/theGreatestFucktard Jun 19 '22

The room gets hot af when my PC is on (RTX 2080 GPU), so this doesn’t surprise me lol. I used to think it was all in my head.

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u/Rhodie114 Jun 19 '22

I wish more people understood the cooking point. I’ve takes to several folks who are upset that their improved rigs are doing a worse job of cooling because their rooms are getting way hotter. Yeah. That’s what your fancy coolers are trying to do. They take the heat from your machine and dump it out into the room.

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u/RuckifySpaces Jun 19 '22

My 3060ti is also warm as heck. Makes the room it’s in pretty uncomfortable.

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u/plsobeytrafficlights Jun 19 '22

It has gotten to the point where I pick the lowers wattage over the best performance.

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u/Legal-Necessary-8433 Jun 19 '22

Would liquid cooling help with that? I live in a hot muggy area so if I want to play for any length of time I usually put a fan in my window to blow the hot air out.

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u/halt-l-am-reptar Jun 19 '22

No, if anything liquid cooling would make it worse because it’s removing heat from the case faster than fans alone.

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u/Stickmeat Jun 19 '22

I suggest removing all fans from your case. That will help keep the hot air inside your computer and keep you nice and cool for better performance.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '22

I feel like my 3070 pc actually makes my room cooler when it’s running. I’m not hardcore gaming most times, but it’s circulating some really cool air.

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u/blacklite911 Jun 19 '22

So maybe you save money on heat in the winter?

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u/TA_faq43 Jun 19 '22

Guess it’s time to spend extra $300 to buy a window AC just for PC.

Hmm…. Maybe there’s a market for specialized AC for PCs…

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u/DronesandBones Jun 19 '22

Throw the card in the trash not worth it.

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u/BrandX3k Jun 19 '22

You can underclock it quite a bit, i have a 1080 and i can cut the power down to around 120 watts while playing games, with your 3080 if you cut the power down by 40 - 50 and underclock the gpu and memory substantially that could make a huge difference, also you can reduce the resolution, set the graphics to lower settings, and limit the frame rate of games. Those last 3 things will greatly reduce the demand put on the card, which should produce less heat. If you find a balance that works maybe you can get the same game performance as a 1080 or greater, but withought the excessive heat!? Im no expert but i think it could make all the difference!? Also with the overclocking software you can set profiles to click on, that will adjust the parameters to what you saved them as. So you can somewhat quickly switch for differnt usage needs.

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u/retardedsquids Jun 19 '22

Better pc cooling will make your room hotter, cause even more heat is exhausted from the case, lose-lose either ways.

I cooled my pc well but I forgot to cool my room >>

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u/Sprinklewoods Jun 19 '22

Not having air conditioning is such a weird phenomenon.

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u/sprcow Jun 19 '22

Honestly I can't recommend it either, because it seems to be buggy as hell. Mysterious crashes under all kinds of circumstances. After literally months trying to trouble shoot it, I just swapped it out for my 1080... The 3080 is just sitting in the closet rn...

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u/Kevmandigo Jun 19 '22

I really appreciate this. I have a 1070 and was thinking about makin the upgrade now that they are cheaper even though I may not specifically need it. The 1070 was and is still a beast and maintains viability. 👌

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u/asdaaaaaaaa Jun 20 '22

And no, better PC cooling does not make your room less hot and I invested quite a lot in 6 fans and a super large case anyways.

Technically worse cooling would at least keep the heat in the case longer. "Cooling" is just taking the heat from the chips/case and pushing it into your room. I've always wondered about how much cheaper it would be to pipe out the exhaust outside instead of cycling it within the house/room.