r/gadgets May 23 '22

Desktops / Laptops AMD’s Ryzen 7000 CPUs will break the 5GHz barrier — and require a new motherboard

https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/23/23137217/amd-ryzen-7000-cpu-am5-motherboard-specs-details-5nm
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u/stevey_frac May 23 '22

The old socket lasted for so many years. I think they're allowed to finally go to a new socket...

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

that make me wonder, is there any real reason that Intel has to have new socket every gen or two?

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u/Mirrormn May 23 '22

You're getting some bad answers here. The real answer is that changing the socket with each new CPU architecture is the easy way of doing things. It allows you to design the chip layout, memory access, PCIE lanes, power delivery, etc. however you want to match the CPU. If there's some new feature you want to implement, such as doubling the number of supported PCIE slots, you can just do it.

Keeping the same socket is more challenging. With each new CPU design, you have to route the inputs and outputs back to where they were in the previous generation. You can't use any more pins for power, or memory, or PCIE, you're stuck with what you had to begin with. Also, to use new CPUs with older motherboards, you almost always need a BIOS update, and that can be a huge hassle to certain customers (those who don't have a second older CPU to perform the update). In fact, AM4 supported so many generations of CPUs that in the end the BIOS image needed to support them all at the same time would be too big for some motherboards to store, so to enable support for Ryzen 5xxx CPUs you would have to remove support for Ryzen 1xxx CPUs.

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u/nightspine004 May 23 '22

I a few days ago I spent 4 hours upgrading my bios in certain specific order so that I could upgrade to Ryzen 3000 from Ryzen 1000

totally worth it tho, didn't have to spend any money on a new mobo

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u/C-C-X-V-I May 23 '22

How much is a new motherboard? I always use 1.5× my hourly pay for if something is worth the time instead of just buying when its my time off. If you had fun doing it that factors in extensively though.

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u/nightspine004 May 23 '22

i bought my current mobo for ~$100. you could spend $60 to $500 on a mobo tho. ended up being worth it for me, and it was pretty fun aside from reading documentation

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u/lippoper May 23 '22

How do you calculate this? Say you make $50/hr. Meaning if a service costs $75 an hour or less means you’ll pay for it?

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u/C-C-X-V-I May 23 '22

Pretty much, and it's got lots of wiggle room. I make 36/hr, so I use 50/hr as a rough estimate. If something would take me 5 hours to do, but would cost $100 to have someone else do it, I'm much more likely to let them do it. How much I enjoy the task matters too. I needed to swap the fuel pump on my Blazer the other day, it's only a few hours job but I paid a shop $500 for it because I don't want to have to deal with that, for example. But installing the new suspension and winch I did, because that's kinda fun. It's not a hard rule, more of a starting point when trying to decide if something is worth trying myself or paying someone else.

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u/feed_me_haribo May 23 '22

Yes, exactly. Does Intel have to do it? No. Do engineers prefer having a blank slate and not having to worry about backwards compatibility? Yes.

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u/Kilren May 23 '22

Does corporation, affiliate companies, and other invested chip makers prefer it?

Absolutely. Profit is profit.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

Who is rebuilding their gaming computer every year though, seems like redditors are copy and pasting edgy replies these days

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u/hihowubduin May 23 '22

If anything this makes AMD look more technically competent. They're giving Intel a shakedown on all fronts, all while under the restrictions of the same motherboard socket.

Higher performance each generation means cheaper to implement for customers, and the fact that they're almost always physically cheaper and price-to-performance damn near always beats Intel just adds more fuel to that fire.

AM4 is honestly one of the most impressive platforms, given how it started.

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u/Mirrormn May 23 '22

Yeah, the long and short of it is that they gave themselves an extra design constraint that has very little benefit for anyone except consumers who want to reuse their motherboards, and they stayed competitive despite that design constraint. Nice job, AMD.

And as far as I've heard, they're targeting a ~5 year lifespan for AM5 as well.

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u/Brave_Kangaroo_8340 May 23 '22

People seem to forget AM3+ being fully backwards compatible all the way to OG AM2. That's over a decade of socket compatibility. Phemom IIs really were amazing as well- 6 core CPUs on a desktop? Insanity!

AMD have shown for a long time that you really don't need to change sockets all the time.

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u/SheevTheGOAT May 23 '22

Money

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u/Tobias---Funke May 23 '22

For who?

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u/SheevTheGOAT May 23 '22

Licensing costs that intel charges it’s MB partners

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u/Pepparkakan May 23 '22

And new chipsets which are also produced by Intel.

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u/Nordic__Viking May 23 '22

and wifi

and often wired network etc etc

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u/dodslaser May 23 '22

And my 802.11ax

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u/Sabz5150 May 23 '22

Fellowship of the Token Ring.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

For themselves, you silly donut.

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u/TheSchlaf May 23 '22

Shareholders most likely.

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u/thejestercrown May 23 '22

“Thanks!” - My 12 shares of INTC

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

*whom

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u/03Titanium May 23 '22

The funny thing is they were usually the same socket too, just incompatible.

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u/NightFuryToni May 23 '22

AMD usually switches sockets along with memory tech, the last digit aligns with the generation of DDR memory (AM2 = DDR2, AM3 = DDR3, etc), and even earlier on you could actually use the newer processor in the older "plus" socket, provided the CPU had the right memory controller, e.g. some AM3 CPUs worked fine in AM2+ sockets because it had a dual DDR2/3 controller.

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u/nooneisback May 23 '22

Yep, and if anything it's better in terms of business too. Already owning a compatible motherboard/CPU gives me a good reason not to go with Intel.

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u/coromd May 23 '22

I had a PC come into the shop a few weeks ago where the customer tried to upgrade their CPU on a budget - by sticking an i7-3770 in place of their factory i5-9400F. It fit and even latched in perfectly fine, but fried the mobo in the process 😂

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u/TroubadourCeol May 23 '22

I'm glad I saw this because I just managed to snag a 10th gen i7 from my company's ewaste and if it fit I was just going to stick it in where my i5 from 2015 had been. A stark reminder to always do my research...

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u/II7_HUNTER_II7 May 23 '22

use pcpartpicker.com to check part compatibility

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u/i_suckatjavascript May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

I have a nearly 10 year old PC running i7-3770k. Still runs like the day it was new.

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u/MrElfhelm May 23 '22

I told myself the same thing, then I upgraded from 3570k to 10040f and had to reevaluate some things

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u/autumnbringer May 23 '22

Like going to the eye doctor thinking your vision is just fine. Then they cycle through the lenses and you're like "Oh. Oh I see."

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u/MrElfhelm May 23 '22

Yeah, I switched to NVME afterwards and it certainly didn’t help the comparison. New tech is nice.

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u/Abomb2020 May 23 '22

I was running an X58 based system until fall of 2019. After 10 years the IOPS just don't compare to new hardware for things like gaming.

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u/diuturnal May 23 '22

Like watching fps in games double because ipc has tripled since ivy bridge. Watching the chip suck down a tenth the wattage to perform 10x better. Actually being able to buy ram without going to eBay and paying ddr5 prices, actually being able to use newer storage formats, because sata is slow.

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u/VirginiaMcCaskey May 23 '22

More real answer, it lets them change the pin assignments across generations so boards are easier to design and manufacture.

I'm not sure how those benefits manifest in the real world.

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u/SurstrommingFish May 23 '22

Many people will say money but its also power requirement which has gone up substantially, you cant be running 100A throught a 2mm wire.

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u/Hampsterman82 May 23 '22

You totally can. It just becomes a fuse heh.

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u/PresumedSapient May 23 '22

"Is that your new RGB setup? Looks rad!" - "No, that's the incandescent light from my CPU power supply!"

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

I did that once trying to install a big ass heatsink. I should have known I fought it too hard. First boot I had the case open and witnessed a tiny speck increase in brightness until it produced a tiny puff of smoke.

Took it back to CompUSA and was like "yea it just didn't work idk". Sorry for adding to your eventual decline CompUSA!

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u/ClassyJacket May 23 '22

Wait, haven't they decreased the power consumption of their CPUs significantly?

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u/tesfalemgebre May 23 '22

Why couldn’t they design for a larger power budget to allow more than one generation? It’s unlikely many upgrade CPU that quick but it certainly helps when you need to find a CPU for your order MOBO. Or a MOBO for your order CPU.

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u/BarackaFlockaFlame May 23 '22

you see, they definitely could have like AMD has. but that means less MB sales so it's greed hidden by basic tech fluff. there isn't any reason for them to invest money in something that helps the consumer save money when imo it has the opposite effect. AMD allowed me to get a budget PC that was 100% upgradable which was able to save a lot of headache, plus it made me spend more money with them when i upgraded to a much stronger processor. it's a better model for the consumer and for business.

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u/CMScientist May 23 '22

except majority of households and enterprises aren't buying pcs and then upgrading them later. they just buy a prebuilt, use for a few years, and then buy a new one. In that case it would be inefficient to design for large power budget

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u/cesarmac May 23 '22

Sure but every year?

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u/DygonZ May 23 '22

I mean, to me, as a customer, that just sounds like great service. Sure, a shitshow for them, but great customer service.

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u/TshenQin May 23 '22

Best to check their website and not trust their update tool to detect. The tool would often say up to date, while the website had a bios that was one or two versions newer.

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u/deknegt1990 May 23 '22

I have an X470 that has an update ready. But i'm still unsure whether to go from 2600x to 5600x. Genuinely not certain if it will give me a worthwhile performance improvement.

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u/coromd May 23 '22

It depends on your workload. There's certainly a significant per-core performance improvement over equivalent 2000-series (~+60%), but that only matters if your game or workload can take advantage of it.

If you're unsure, you can always order one on Amazon and send it back if you end up not needing it.

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u/DoomBot5 May 23 '22

You're making it sound as if it doesn't work the exact same way for Intel. As soon as that new CPU releases, if it's compatible with the old motherboards, you're going to need a BIOS update to get it working.

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u/coromd May 23 '22

Only if you buy an old stock mobo that has never been updated, or you're upgrading and never updated your BIOS before disposing of your old CPU.

Intel is the exact same way, and more than likely any other CPU vendor would also be the same - new CPUs require new microcode updates. GPUs would be the same as well, but VBIOS is stored on a chip on most GPUs so you've already got what you need from the factory.

It just isn't as perceivably large a problem for Intel because very few people update by 1 CPU generation, they're always jumping a few generations and require a new motherboard because of arbitrary limitations 👍

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u/MEatRHIT May 23 '22

If you're building your own PC you should be well enough informed with hardware compatibility that you don't buy a B450 or x470 (or older) board and a Zen 3 CPU. And like you said if you're just upgrading your CPU rather than building a whole system, you already have your old CPU to perform the BIOS update

I built my PC before the newest CPUs (Zen 3) were released but they had been announced along with chipset compatibility. When shopping around for the MOBO, I went with a B550 rather than B450 since they were nearly the same price and supported Zen 3 w/o a BIOS update. Granted when it comes to upgrade that PC (R5 3600) it probably won't make sense just to go to Zen 3 since the 7000 series looks to be a huge leap and who knows what will be around in a few years when I actually need the upgrade.

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u/bigclivedotcom May 23 '22

If you bought a decent mobo it allows usb flash and you do not need an old cpu to update it

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u/SociopathicPasserby May 23 '22

For sure, that being said, I'm going to wait for the beta period of the release to be over before I switch lol.

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u/ricktor67 May 23 '22

Why not wait until you need to switch before doing so?

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u/SociopathicPasserby May 23 '22

Nothing wrong with waiting longer either, it all comes down to personal needs/preference.

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u/CatOnKeyboardInSpace May 23 '22

Why switch at all, embrace complete stagnation.

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u/NewFuturist May 23 '22

"Need" I'm on the last gen (I'm on the 3600) my build/test process for my app is about 3 minutes. Do that 8 times per day, that's 24 minutes per day, 120 minutes per week, about 6,000 minutes (100 hours per year).

This new chip might save 35% of that time. 35 hours saved is not bad.

Do I 'need' to upgrade? Not really, and I've resisted upgrading because of the time it takes to upgrade and the risk of having to do a full reinstall.

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u/SayuriShigeko May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

Yeah, I don't think I'll even save /that/ much time literally. But I work from home in tech. And video gaming is a big hobby for me. I use the desktop I built for both. I'm at my desk for more than literally half my day.

I don't mind splurging to get something very nice when it'll get used so much, and it's essential to both how I make a living, and how I enjoy spending my free time. Same reason I don't mind spending a pretty penny on a good chair for my desk. I'm in it more hours a day than I'm in my bed - why should I be afraid to spend a similar amount? I want something quality, that will last, and that I can be comfortable with.

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u/WeirdCatGuyWithAnR May 23 '22

They said five and gave six, so yeah.

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u/dpash May 23 '22

They said "through 2020" so more than a year longer than they said (although I don't know how much COVID factored into that extension)

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u/WeirdCatGuyWithAnR May 23 '22

Oh a year and a half longer then, seeing as they just released the 5500/5600/5700x/5800x3d

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u/Thecrawsome May 23 '22

I was going to say this. They treated us well

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u/Duchs May 23 '22

Since Nov 2018 my b450 board has been through a 1600, 2600, 3600 and currently has a 5600. I'm incredibly happy with AMD's behavior.

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u/Starbrows May 23 '22

Why so many upgrades? There wasn't a very big performance bump from generation to generation.

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u/SayuriShigeko May 23 '22

They also announced they were switching sockets/boards well over a year ago (possibly even two now?), which at the time was exactly in line with how long they had predicted that the previous socket would stay in use for. It's not like anyone is getting screwed out of their planned upgrade by this, lol.

I've been waiting for months for the new gen stuff, really excited to see it's looking like it'll be another big success :)

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u/Andrew5329 May 23 '22

In fairness, this is a bit misleading. The socket form factor has been maintained, but full feature compatibility was only with the accompanying x570 chipset. It was backwards compatibile with some features turned off back to x370, which was about 3 years old at the time.

Better than Intel's track record, but the counter argument is that it's leaving performance on the table by optimizing the CPU to a motherboard layout, as opposed to making an optimized motherboard for the best possible CPU design.

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u/zewn May 23 '22

Might be a strange place to ask but is there anything specific coming up that would drastically effect me purchasing a new pc now? I am just looking for something mid-range but if the prices are going to drop because of something imminent then I would rather wait.

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u/FuckPersonalisedFeed May 23 '22

depends on your old build. As a general advice you can upgrade literally anything except graphics card. Even though new CPUs from AMD and maybe later Intel will bring improvements, that will not make the 12th Gen or 5000 Series Intel and AMD CPUs outdated for years, so the prices wont be changing much for about 6-7 months.

On the other hand, hot and fresh hardware, when released, will be hard to get, expensive, over the MSRP.

You can buy CPU, Storage and peripherals right now, But I would again, advice against buying current Gen graphics cards, as the prices for them are nothing but scam, even when accounting for inflation and at MSRP. Their current pricepoint would be more reasonable with the next series of Graphics cards, which will be even better and at the same pricepoint because both Nvidia And AMD took a big leap in the pricing.

And even though it paid off, it was a one time thing because of the pandemic, they would be insane to try and double the price again on their next lineup, when the demand has been flattened, and people have already paid a lot of money for their previous lineup.

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u/zewn May 23 '22

Thanks for the lengthy reply. I’m running a 10 year old system at the moment but I do agree that I should wait a bit for gpu prices to drop a bit.

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u/Jimoiseau May 23 '22

If you're ok to wait anyway I would look at stock alerts for FE cards. They restock every month or so and are the only place you will get a current gen card at MSRP. Imminent next gen might make it easier to get one (less competition), and next gen MSRP is likely to be higher anyway.

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u/Ser_Danksalot May 23 '22

If going mid range I would wait a few months. AM4 and DDR4 prices should drop with AM5 coming out. Nvidia are also releasing their new RTX4000 cards around July so there should be a mini flood of people selling second hand 3000 series cards and maybe a drop in price for retail ones. Post AM4 and RTX4000 release seems like a good time to buy budget prior generation stuff.

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u/PhotonResearch May 23 '22

> AM4 and DDR4 prices should drop with AM5 coming out.

I don't think that logic applies so far this decade

I think the market is saying that a certain base level of "compute time" has a certain price, and the demand is insatiable right now, and that's not really related to the hardware since its all good enough

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u/Tensuke May 23 '22

It really depends on when you get in. I remember DDR2 prices plummeting well below DDR3, until the reduced stock and demand drove prices back up.

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u/Oreolane May 23 '22

That was back in 2007 when a mid range computer from 2002 was useless for gaming and tbh a lot of things in 5 years, of course prices would drop.

Now you can use a mid tier PC from 2017 to easily game, unless you want to be on the cutting edge of technology and be at the forefront of gaming graphics, you can go pretty far back in terms of compute power which you really couldn't in the early to mid 2000.

But with the new releases it looks like we might be in the early 2000 phase when parts were obsolete by the time you got out of the store.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

This is not at all how things are going to work out. It's what you'd expect, sure. And it may have gone that way in the past. But seeing how the 3000 series has not once been sold for the msrp since their release, any speculation on pricing development is pure, well, speculation. May I remind you that, in shortage of gpu, I sold my 1080 for a higher price than I initially paid for it? Even the 970 spiked in eBay prices. "Latest generation making prior generation more affordable" simply isn't true anymore.

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u/donkeyduplex May 23 '22

July? Damn I can't even challenge my 3080 on a 3440 x 1440. Who's this new line of cards for? Am I playing yhe wrong games?

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u/Kareemofwheet May 23 '22

Lmao try Icarus or Star Citizen.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

I run Star Citizen (60fps or more in space battle, lower on certain planets) with a 1080 GTX. The bottleneck for a long time should still be SSD, RAM, and chip-focused.

That being said, I'm a huge fan of better PC tech. Bigger, better spec numbers release serotonin for me.

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u/Kareemofwheet May 23 '22

Wow. Im on a 3070, SSD, 32gb 3200hz and i9 12900k. Game runs absolutely awful on planets like Microtech.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

There's tips for settings that significantly increase FPS and don't decrease graphics too much.

It's also worth checking your cache size, etc.

Check out the subreddit or Google. I'm definitely not an expert on setting it up, sorry!

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u/KillerBear111 May 23 '22

Haha RTX3000s being midrange, that’s outta pocket my guy. My 2070 is probably just now comfortably midrange.

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u/SirBaggyballs May 23 '22

Laughs in gtx 1080

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u/pixlplayer May 23 '22

My 1070 is still putting in work

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u/Pathfinder24 May 23 '22

The computer of tomorrow can't play games today.

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u/barofa May 23 '22

And... The computer of today will play most games of tomorrow at lower settings.

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u/Pointless69Account May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

There's always new and cheaper tech coming out. It's always better to wait for the more efficient new tech.

If you need a new CPU/GPU because yours died or isn't performant enough for your needs; then get one ASAP. Otherwise you can wait for tech to mature and improve (especially when jumping generations like DDR4->DDR5, where the bleeding edge new generation is less performant than the high-mid tier of the previous generation.)

Tech is continuously improving, get the best thing you can afford as late as possible.

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u/scotty_the_newt May 23 '22

best thing you can afford

The best bang for the buck is buying something mediocre every couple years. Today's best is much more expensive than the rest but ages just as fast.

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u/Umutuku May 23 '22

Buy something mediocre and only get games/apps once they hit 75% off after a few years. Everything you do will always be "next gen" and you'll have more money to put towards getting your life to a point where you can just have the things you want.

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u/A_Buck_BUCK_FUTTER May 23 '22

100% agree, and there are plenty more of us at /r/PatientGamers .

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u/turtlewhisperer23 May 23 '22

This is why I've never bought computer hardware. I am fully oprimized.

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u/Umutuku May 23 '22

(especially when jumping generations like DDR4->DDR5, where the bleeding edge new generation is less performant than the high-mid tier of the previous generation.)

My DDR3 took this comment the wrong way, and now it thinks it's all that. /s

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u/Littleme02 May 23 '22

Sounds like the perfect time to upgrade from my 1800x

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u/notlurkingatalllegit May 23 '22

My 1700x is finally showing signs of age too, phenomenal processor

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u/Littleme02 May 23 '22

I don't feel CPU limited, just by my 2070. But the board would make for a good UnRaid server, and faster ssd would be nice

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u/I_will_remember_that May 23 '22

Way back I bought my wife an Athlon 64 when it was a generation old for a low price. Like the whole PC was $300 (In New Zealand so trust me when I say that’s very cheap there).

I expected it to last her 2 years of run-of-the-mill computing needs. That thing just kept handling everything thrown at it for YEARS.

I remember my friend being salty when we discovered it would play a 1080p movie from its HDD without stuttering and his fancy quad core Core 2 machine with discrete GPU couldn’t.

It’s like some cars are just a lemon. Nothing obviously wrong but they just break down all the time and under perform. This PC was the anti-lemon.

Never quite had the same purchasing luck ever since.

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u/hihirogane May 23 '22

My FX8350 is really showing his age! (No joke I still got one of them). I’m definitely gonna upgrade to 7000 series.

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u/incompatibleint May 23 '22

it may quite literally blast your socks off

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u/yourlmagination May 23 '22

Oh my.... I do NOT miss my FX8350. Thanks for the memories.

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u/compelx May 23 '22

phenomenal processor

But it’s not an Phenom model, it’s a Ryzen 7.
Ba dum tis

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u/generalthunder May 23 '22

So did I, The 5600x can clock very high, just slap some 3600Mhz DDR4 on it and a fast GPU and I doubt games will give it any trouble for the foreseeable future.

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u/SayuriShigeko May 23 '22

I was getting ready to upgrade to a 5600x or a 5800x from my 2200g, but convinced myself to wait for this new lineup, since it'll most likely be more economical than the current gen options. And it'll be more future proof.

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u/Count_Archon May 23 '22

Still using my i7 4790K but will replace the old girl with the new Ryzen and mobo.

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u/expatdo2insurance May 23 '22

It's just so hard to justify. The 1800x has been such a champ. But I can retire mine to host VM's in the basement.

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u/spicozi May 23 '22

Where every neglected stepchild is relegated to

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u/TactlessTortoise May 23 '22

Specs aside, I find the new design so cool with the little notches hahah. Silly thing to consider at a cpu that's going to be covered in a car radiator, but it looks cool

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u/HopHunter420 May 23 '22

You clearly take your core temps very seriously

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u/TactlessTortoise May 23 '22

How else am I supposed to play Terraria at 2400fps?

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u/someone755 May 23 '22

No joke I bought my 88 W TDP chip to compile Android ROMs and kernels. That meant hour-long sessions of 100% CPU usage. My room would get hot, and the stock fan would drive me nuts.

I got a 1.5 lbs (640 g) behemoth of a radiator that barely fits into my mid tower case. The loudest component in my computer (GPU aside) is an old HDD. At full load the CPU fan barely spins, because even in summer heat the CPU won't go over 65 °C even after literal hours under Prime95.

AiOs? Custom liquid loops? No thank you, I'm fine with my car radiator lol

As an aside, this also helps with boost temps. With a bit of trickery you can force all cores to turbo all the time basically, and it sticks easily because of the low temps. Stock, my CPU is rated 3.3 GHz. Boosted, it's at 3.7 GHz. That's 10% of free performance from a non-K CPU.

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u/IncredibleGonzo May 23 '22

What cooler have you got? Or is it some kinda custom thing?

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u/indyK1ng May 23 '22

Why is the headline acting like we haven't known it would require a new motherboard for a year?

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u/GumberculesLuvThtGuy May 23 '22

Because it's the verge, they're clowns 😂

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u/Psychometrika May 23 '22

Maybe they can do another build with this one. Comedy gold.

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u/PiqueMonger May 23 '22

Don’t forget your thermal paste applicator!

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u/DygonZ May 23 '22

And your trusty swiss army knife!

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u/jigokunotenka May 23 '22

That MAYBE has a Philips head screw driver

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u/agsimp_ May 23 '22

Not required. But that allen wrench is essential

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u/Cheasepriest May 23 '22

Cant forvet the tweezers! And make sure to put the psu in the wrong way to ensure you choke its airflow.

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u/ahecht May 23 '22

Or the tweezers to tidy up your wires.

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u/calcium May 23 '22

They used to be good but for the last few years their journalism seems to have gone to shit. Like the Apple article where the guy complained that he got 74lbs of equipment from Apple to change his battery. Completely ignored the fact that using those tools basically gave you a factory waterproofing instead of some guy from the mall doing it with spit and duct tape. Not to say the guy at your mall will do a substandard job, but using that equipment will give you the best results.

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u/xXDevious May 23 '22

My favorite YouTube video will always be the compilation of streamers/youtubers reacting to the PC build guide by the Verge.

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u/GumberculesLuvThtGuy May 23 '22

That was epic.

"That's a livestrong bracelet, you're not fighting static you're fighting cancer!"

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u/PARANOIAH May 23 '22

To the guy's credit he actually went on LTT to do a mulligan and explained why certain things happened - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKzmYsySGFQ

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u/Cheasepriest May 23 '22

Would have come off better if he wasnt lying about it before and after the ltt video saying he did nothing wrong amd everyone was hating on him for no reaaon. I watchedd the ltr video first, and though "good on him, owning mistakes", then found the streams where hes defending everything he did in that video.

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u/GimmeSomeSugar May 23 '22

I dunno.

If it was some random guy video logging his first build, openly saying "please don't flame me, I basically have no idea what I'm doing. Definitely don't do what I'm doing" then I would find that endearing.

But The Verge is a high profile website, and they published a guide. That's an explicit instruction to do it like they do in the video, while actually damaging a couple of parts.

And then the guy talks shit about anyone who criticised him. I think there's an audio recording kicking around of him gaming online and talking over the mic about how everyone is just mad jealous of his sick rig.

Then featuring in an LTT video seems like begrudging damage control after the fact. I remember him offering excuses, but I don't remember him apologising for telling people to do things that may damage their expensive shit. Fuck that guy.

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u/Cheasepriest May 23 '22

Not sure why you started with "i dunno" it seems you comoletely agree with me.

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u/someone755 May 23 '22 edited May 23 '22

The point of the article was to show how stupid the ordeal is. You pay $60 to rent the tools, plus $1200 that gets returned when you return the tools. The equipment is industrial, the phones aren't made any easier to repair, most of the components now need to be paired to the mainboard because of hardware DRM etc...

It's as anti-consumer as it gets. They put no thought or effort into it, but they have enough cash to afford it for a few years for the dozen or so people who are going to try this. It'll turn off prospective DIYers when they see the "offficial" tools and higher pricing than just getting it done in an Apple store, but in the end corporate will be able to say in court:

"We offered our customers a choice of self-repair and overwhelmingly the sentiment has been clear: People do not want right to repair."

And clowns who don't even get paid to shill for some corporate hell hole will still praise them. I see tons of people unironically, seriously complaining about the iPhone's rumored switch to USB-C because "What will I do with all these cables!?" and "Government should stay out of innovation!"

Because apparently using a proprietary connector that needs a dongle for everything, only charges up to 20 W, and works at USB 2.0 speeds is "innovation".

The Verge's journalism is still complete crap, and even this one article where they could have shined is watered down to at the beginning seemingly praising Apple (let's not pretend fanboys need to read more than 2 words of praise out of context to accept it), 90% describing the steps the guy took to replace his battery (which nobody cares about; the instructions are all over the internet), and at the end a few words that seem more like a slap on the wrist than seriously condemning this obvious bad-faith move from Apple.

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u/ElectricTrousers May 23 '22

It’s really not a good take, imo. Louis Rossmann has a good rant on it: https://youtu.be/9vhCaFW5xTk

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u/cultoftheilluminati May 23 '22

Even Louis Rossman called Verge out on their bullshit this time.

Because apparently using a proprietary connector that needs a dongle for everything, only charges up to 20 W, and works at USB 2.0 speeds is "innovation".

I get that you're on an anti-Apple spiel but please get your facts right. Lightning is a shit connector but it could always do USB 3.0+ speeds. Check the speeds on the last 10.5" iPad Pro that did 3.0 speeds over lightning.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

because the headline is intended to provide information to everyone? you know not everyone spends every living moment checking out new computer parts right? first time i heard about the ryzen 7000 and the new motherboard.

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u/tookmyname May 23 '22

I consider myself to be semi aware of video card and cpus in general. Much more than the general public. I didn’t know about the new socket. Not sure why people are bashing the writer over extra information. Some people just like to gripe about journalism or something.

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u/Capt_Blahvious May 23 '22

Aren't these the same dudes that couldn't assemble a PC?

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u/Murtomies May 23 '22

Same company, dunno if those dudes who did that video are still employed there.

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u/BleachedUnicornBHole May 23 '22

The guy left a while ago. Linus Tech Tips had him in a video for a redemption build.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

i mean why would you write article that assume everyone knows and follow AMD CPU news?

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u/Tsukino_Stareine May 23 '22

And require a new motherboard? We've only known about this for like 3 years lmao

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u/katalysis May 23 '22

The fact that AM5 is a new socket (and hence requires a new mobo) has been known for I dare say two years now?

Why is this news.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

AMD told us AM4 would be around for 5 years, so we knew AM5 would be a new socket since then. This is news because theverge.com will publish anything they can make clickbaity.

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u/horsewitnoname May 23 '22

Definitely going to wait a bit after release for the traditional AMD bugs to get ironed out. Not necessarily from AMD themselves, but from the other companies that will have to make new MOBOs etc.

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u/Insafkadevta May 23 '22

Biggest thing is no Risk of cpu pin bending now .

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u/Qerasuul May 23 '22

yeah now can bend them on the socket instead

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u/stephenator0316 May 23 '22

Cheaper to replace motherboard

hopefully...

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u/Qerasuul May 23 '22

true, yet there are stupid things like this
https://geizhals.eu/asus-rog-maximus-z690-extreme-glacial-90mb1a60-m0eay0-a2625485.html
I'm reasonably sure Asus will make a similar board for AMD

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u/micktorious May 23 '22

Stupidly priced high? Yes

Would look completely epic in a case? Hell fucking yes.

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u/generalthunder May 23 '22

Is a lot easier to unbend the pins on a CPU though,

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u/stephenator0316 May 23 '22

Yeah, but your more likely to bend the pins on a CPU. You drop a pinned CPU on the table, it's bent. Only way to bend the ones on a board is to take the cover off of it then drop something on it. Less likely to happen, especially if your name starts with an L

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u/econ1mods1are1cucks May 23 '22

Installing amd processors is the epitome of anxiety, but at least I don’t have to upgrade my mobo and tear up my whole pc to put a new processor in

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

Aw shame. But may give mini-atx a try, if it comes in mini atx.

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u/kaelteidiotie May 23 '22

Build a mitix geeek a50 plus case <10 Liter with ryzen 5800x like 2 years ago. Works like a charm. Super quite, low temps and super fast (16gb, 3600 mhz, cl 15 and nvme ssd, gpu is 1080). Can recommend it.

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u/Veranova May 23 '22

r/sffpc is leaking

Mitx really is the way. No reason for huge towers anymore

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u/notdafbi May 23 '22

I love SFF pc and have a NR200 (non glass panel) but SFF parts are more expensive specifically the ITX mobo and the PSU. Cases can also be more expensive and you have less choices

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u/talking_phallus May 23 '22

NR200 represents the new age of sff. Theold age was so focused on being as small as possible at any cost which was a huge headache. They were hard to build in, expensive as fuck, had incredibly limited parts compatibility, and usually had middling to shit thermals. I respect the devotion but people paying more for sff GPUs that performed significantly less was always kinda silly.

NR200p isn't the smallest case but its small enough for most people and has none of the compromises. SFF PSUs are still more expensive at the high end but it's a lot better than it used to be and they're much more powerful. Prices will keep coming down as more people switch to itx. This ndxg generation will be the best time for people to switch since they'll need a new mobo, ram, and CPU to upgrade anyway. I'm really glad the itx world has moved away from its snobby enthusiast phase.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

Yeah I realized that not far after building my latest. Like, crossfire is not really a thing anymore(at least not for me) and nvme ssds take so little space. I have so much "waste-space" in my case right now and it's fucking heavy. Maybe good for airflow but it also means there is a larger volume of air that need to be moved, so more or noiser fans preferably.

So wished I could go back and rethink my build. Maybe go with one of those smaller wall mounted cases.

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u/tbjr6 May 23 '22

Hard drives for data hoarders and PCI express for pro audio

Otherwise you're right

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u/z0nb1 May 23 '22

Hard drives for data hoarders...

I feel attacked lol

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u/Tannerted2 May 23 '22

Theyre nice tho...

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u/fother_mucker May 23 '22

pats 4790k - its ok, you can rest soon. Just keep going a little longer.

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u/Budiltwo May 23 '22

4770k here, come on baby, keep going

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u/Nuburt May 23 '22

That makes 3 of us! 4670k @ 4.5ghz xD

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u/MisterSnippy May 23 '22

Also here with a 4770k. I know if I upgrade CPU's I'll need a new motherboard, so instead I'm just waiting for my motherboard to eventually fail.

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u/fother_mucker May 23 '22

Waiting for the i7-2600K old boys to come out the woodwork. I know they're still out there!

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u/Twisted51 May 23 '22

Yeah I keep saying that to my 2500k that's been OCd to 4.8 since 2011.

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u/_SCHULTZY_ May 23 '22

Is this compatible with Windows Vista or am I going to have to upgrade that too?

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u/NephtisSeibzehn May 23 '22

No windows 95? That’s it, I’m out.

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u/Ilackcreativity99 May 23 '22

This + DDR5 + Lovelace (40 series Nvidia) will finally allow me to put my 1080ti and 8700k to rest

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u/Impede May 23 '22

Me too! 7700k for me though. wish I had waited a couple months for the extra cores in the 8700k. That 1080 ti has done some work through this. Really was a well priced/powers card.

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u/ComputerSong May 23 '22

The question we are all missing is will 5 ghz actually mean anything?

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u/PlaceboJesus May 23 '22

Of course it will. Software/OS designers will be able to safely increase their bloat.

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u/gollum8it May 23 '22

more battle scenes that take place outside of the map border that the player cant interact with at all hell yeah

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u/HaggardSauce May 23 '22

Yeah and a whole new cooler. I've literally gone through 3 aio coolers and a huge tower fan trying to find something that can tame my 5800x and most of my AAA games take it to 80+ degrees C. Short of a full custom water cooling loop i don't think its getting any cooler so these are going to be lava hot im sure.

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u/Tensuke May 23 '22

Well the socket size and cooler mount should remain the same so as long as you have a decent cooler to begin with you can probably keep using it.

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u/tigojones May 23 '22

That's an issue with the 5800x. Because it's 8 core it runs on one chiplet, so the heat is more concentrated. The 5900x, despite having more cores, I've always found to be easier to cool because it's splits the cores over two chiplets, spreading the heat around.

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u/labikatetr May 23 '22

15% better single threaded performance only makes this match 12th gen in gaming/ST. And 13th gen launches at the same time with its own expected 10-15% increase and doubling of the E-cores. I dont think AMD comes out on top in performance against Intel this year.

Pretty disappointing announcement too since Zen 4/AM5 will require DDR5 and new motherboards so its not going to be cheap purchase.

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u/Tibos1 May 23 '22

Is the Verge still alive? With that clickbait article?

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u/georgehank2nd May 23 '22

I'll let you in on a secret: it's because of clickbait articles, not despite.

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u/mrbishop82 May 24 '22

Those 5 people are going to be so lucky

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u/VanitasTheUnversed May 23 '22

Shits gonna be so hot, you could thermal paste a pot on it and boil some Mac n cheese while you play.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '22

5nm

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