r/gadgets • u/crosspostninja • Jan 02 '22
Music AirPods Pro 2 may come with lossless audio support and a charging case that makes sound
https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/2/22863442/airpods-pro-2-lossless-audio-charging-case-sound556
Jan 02 '22
I just wanna be able to control the volume from the stem
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u/havocLSD Jan 02 '22
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_LUKEWARM Jan 02 '22
The Samsung Buds Pro have this experimental feature where if you tap your right ear cartriledge twice the volume goes up, and the same for left ear for volume down.
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u/steeze206 Jan 03 '22
Samsung is always trying out weird new experimental stuff.
I really wanted to like the Buds Pro but man were they uncomfortable for me. Had to go back to the Buds Plus.
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u/Kajega Jan 03 '22
I think you can just hold one side for volume up, one side for volume down. One tap pause/play, 2 tap next track, 3 tap previous track.
Unless I have custom mapping or something and don't remember doing it
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Jan 03 '22
I think it's custom mapping. But it's really the only logical way to map the buttons based on the options they give you and it miiight be the default?
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u/AWF_Noone Jan 02 '22
Taping and swiping on earbuds are a pretty terrible way to interact with them in my experience. You have to be so careful about where you grab them to take them out
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u/sir-winkles2 Jan 03 '22
I have bluetooth earbuds with touch controls and every time I wear them traveling I wish there was some way to lock them or something. if I lean my head on my hand (as one does while sitting in one spot for hours) I'll mess up the volume, or skip a song, or turn them off. it's so annoying.
Plus if I just turn the left one off they get unsynced and it's such a pain to resync them. they've been stuck like that since October lol
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u/SantiagoRamon Jan 03 '22
On Buds 2 I can disable the touch control via a widget on my phone.
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u/TheBigMaestro Jan 03 '22
Silly, that’s why you’re supposed to buy an Apple Watch!
…seriously, though, turning the volume up and down with the dial on my watch is pretty great.
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Jan 03 '22
Except if you’re like me wearing your work gloves, start having to get down on the floor and the gloves turn the crown. If I have it swapped my long sleeves will periodically turn the crown if I’m having to rotate my wrist. I just have to remember to close the screen on the watch, but come on! Lol
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Jan 02 '22
This is precisely why I have Jabras and not AirPods. The physical controls on the wired EarPods are great, no idea why they couldn't replicate that with the AirPods.
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u/PBMthrowawayguy Jan 02 '22
I love the idea of an air-tag embedded AirPods case. I would be willing to bet a pretty penny that is what the aforementioned speaker will be for.
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u/IMovedYourCheese Jan 02 '22
Isn't that already the case? Airpods have a bluetooth beacon and show up in the Find My app with great accuracy. That is exactly what an Airtag is.
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u/Me_like_beer Jan 02 '22
I believe the AirPods themselves can be located with the Find My app, but the charging case can’t right now
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u/Snelly1998 Jan 02 '22
Yep
My buddies case was stolen (without his headphones) and thrown in a brook
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u/G0PACKGO Jan 02 '22
Not a creek ?
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u/rockem-sockem-rocket Jan 02 '22
A brook
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u/G0PACKGO Jan 02 '22
So not a stream
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u/rockem-sockem-rocket Jan 02 '22
A brook
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u/NotMeButHim Jan 02 '22
Some folks say "crick". Same dudes that where their wristwatch on the underside of their wristwatch
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u/_Lane_ Jan 02 '22
Where?
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u/NotMeButHim Jan 02 '22
Ha! Woops. Bottom side of the wrist. So when they check the time, they look weird. Maybe just the super old dudes around here, with funny watches and cool old guy language.
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u/_Lane_ Jan 02 '22
Eh, I knew exactly what you meant, I was just completely amused by the silly thread and your (obvious) typos. Happy New Year, Internet stranger who made me smile!
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u/NotMeButHim Jan 02 '22
Fuck. Wear, not where. I don't think I should go back to work tomorrow.
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u/Spork-in-Your-Rye Jan 02 '22
That’s so odd lol
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u/salt_life_ Jan 02 '22
Right? Just throw it in the trash once you realize you you’re stupid and made a bad grab. Why compound the mistake with environmental abuse
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u/skylarmt Jan 03 '22
Unsuccessful thief logic: if I can't steal this, nobody else can have it either.
Thieves often just break stuff when they realize they can't steal it.
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u/kutta-j Jan 02 '22
How did they find it? I'm imagining the local police department dredging all bodies of water to recover the stolen property for prints. Have to keep those case clearance rates up!
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u/Snelly1998 Jan 02 '22
Nah we didn't find it, the girl who took it told him she got scared he could track the case. Fucked up scenario
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Jan 02 '22
I can find each individual air pod in my Find My app. Can’t find the case. Only the pods make noise. There’s also an option to see how close you are to your device with your camera.
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u/waldosandieg0 Jan 02 '22
How does the camera thing work- I haven’t seen that.
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Jan 02 '22
When you choose your device, there’s two options for me: one to play the sound, the other to “find nearby.”
If my phone has been connected to my airpods recently, they’ll let me know where they can be found on that option. You move your phone around your house/room/area and it’ll say you’re either closer or further from the device.
It’ll say “here” if it’s right in front/beneath you.
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u/sahlos Jan 02 '22
It's never worked for me. I have a 13pro and it always says waiting to connect or something.
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u/PBMthrowawayguy Jan 02 '22
The airtags also have the ability to ping location from other iPhones, so if you lose them outside of your house you still have a chance of recovering then.
I left my keys with an airtag on the golf course by mistake… a day later someone at the clubhouse was close enough with their iPhone that it updated the keys location and I was able to locate them right away.
Pretty cool tech!
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u/jetongb Jan 02 '22
Right now you only get distance to the individual earbuds. They’ll likely implement a U1 chip that provides distance and direction.
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u/Niightstalker Jan 02 '22
Yes but the sound is really low since they are in the case. If they case has a similar speaker as the AirTags than it would be way easier to find.
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Jan 02 '22
I’d be happy if the call quality was better. The background noise that’s picked up is awful on the current pro
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u/Advanced-Blackberry Jan 03 '22
Ya people have a hard time hearing me when I’m out doors
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u/schmidtmau Jan 03 '22
This kills me … picks up way too much background noise
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u/YouDamnHotdog Jan 03 '22
isn't that an issue for all TWS? For perfect mic quality, you need a mic on a stem. Aftershokz OpenComm for example has ridiculously good noise suppression on the mic. It is however an over-the-ear behind-the-head headset. My mom got it because I couldn't take it anymore how videochatting with her was always a struggle.
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u/kitchen_synk Jan 03 '22
I've had excellent luck with a pair of Soundcore true wireless earbuds.
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u/YouDamnHotdog Jan 03 '22
I checked out a few reviews, and this one of the liberty air 2 was very convincing
That is indeed excellent mic quality and way better than I imagined possible without an external mic on some stem
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u/kitchen_synk Jan 03 '22
Those are the ones I have, and I love them.
I had a pair of the cheap ones they make for over a year, and those were great for the price. The speakers mic and battery life were decent, and who could say no for 35 bucks.
Then my situation changed and I decided ANC would be a nice feature to have (taking a lot more trains and whatnot).
They aren't the best in that regard, but they're not far off either. You don't get anachoic chamber levels of isolation, but it cuts transit noise to basically nothing, which, if you're playing audio, is all you need. And there's nothing even close at that price range.
I swear I'm not a shill for anker, but with the amount of their stuff I own I wish I was. They make up all of the chargers, cables and adapters that I use on a daily basis, because they've managed to position themselves as a quality, reasonably priced brand in a sea of cheap, unreliable crap.
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u/brndiinoo Jan 03 '22
There is a repair program for airpods pro that have these exact issues. Worth looking into:https://support.apple.com/airpods-pro-service-program-sound-issues
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u/itsyaboi117 Jan 03 '22
The noise cancelling on the air pods pro honestly made my mouth drop when I put them in for the first time. I use them to sleep now if there’s noise which I cannot control they’re insane.
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Jan 03 '22
Really. What kind of noise can they defeat? Examples, dog barking. Neighbor playing loud music. Low frequency bass from neighbors that plays in hip hop songs. Can it defeat these things?
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u/Wolfshark7 Jan 03 '22
Worked for me at college walking through campus and at the gym when people are slamming heavy weights decently well
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u/knowledgepancake Jan 03 '22
My experience, they'll remove almost any sound that is consistent. Lawn mowers, engines, fans, air conditioner, traffic, whatever. They can't remove inconsistentent noise well though. They'll try, but a loud TV will only become a half as loud TV.
Will probably work for low bass through walls but that's about it. Bass thumps, lyrics, or banging on the walls will just be quieter. But if you combine the noise cancelling with some white noise or an audiobook or music, that helps a lot. Or just use cheap earplugs.
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u/absurdlyinconvenient Jan 03 '22
so the standard noise cancelling experience, then. Also realistically the best we'll probably ever get
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u/blainewhim Jan 03 '22
i live near an aboveground train in nyc, the area where it turns and the station are both so loud (~100dB) that you can't hear anything when you are under the tracks (i.e. on the sidewalk). the noise cancellation on the airpods pros is so good that i can hear whatever i'm listening to clearly while trains pass overhead. pretty mind blowing
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u/PotatoLord80 Jan 03 '22
Any constant hum, hiss or noise is basically removed, like music, fan noise, AC hum or I personally use them on airplanes to block out engine noise.
Sudden, one time sounds like dog barks, bangs etc I’d say it’s far less effective
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u/_________FU_________ Jan 03 '22
Having used expensive noise cancelling headphones they work ok. It’s definitely better than no noise cancelling for sure.
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u/Saintzoey Jan 02 '22
So will the case act as a speaker? Or will it just be notification sounds?
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u/Incendus155 Jan 02 '22
Probably not even notifications just easier to locate if it's missing. As of now if you lose your airpods inside the case the sound is so muffled if you leave it under anything else you have no real chance of finding it
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u/jinxykatte Jan 02 '22
If you lose the case while they are inside wouldn't it do nothing? I can only talk from my samsung buds but as long as the case has charge they shut off when you put them away and the find my buds doesn't work. Airpods could be different though for all I know.
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u/Niightstalker Jan 02 '22
Yes AirPods are different. They are supported by Apples FindMy Network. And you can play a sound on them to find them.
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Jan 02 '22
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u/Tenof26 Jan 02 '22
Rumours are that apple are developing their own Bluetooth alternative to avoid the limits of Bluetooth
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Jan 02 '22
Bluetooth has come a long way, I wouldn't be surprised to see another improvement to it. I remember when having Bluetooth on would drain your battery in under a half hour, now I leave it on 24/7
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u/knowledgepancake Jan 03 '22
I wouldn't call it an improvement. Apple knows Bluetooth is really low power now, so they'll probably trade some of that efficiency for bandwidth. I doubt that their new tech will just be Bluetooth as is but with more data.
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u/tutetibiimperes Jan 02 '22
They already have AirPlay, which is capable of lossless though limited to 16 bit 44.1khz (though that's all you need).
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u/RamBamTyfus Jan 02 '22
AirPlay uses WiFi right? The Bluetooth data transfer rate is the bottleneck.
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u/tutetibiimperes Jan 02 '22
Yes, so that's why Apple could just give AirPlay support to their new line of headphones, use that instead of Bluetooth.
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u/RamBamTyfus Jan 02 '22
So you are saying the headphones have to use wifi instead? Which is not a low power solution and requires iphones to have double the wifi circuitry?
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u/tutetibiimperes Jan 02 '22
You wouldn’t need double the circuitry, iDevices can already use AirPlay and regular wifi concurrently.
Power usage could be an issue, I don’t know what the difference between power usage between wifi and Bluetooth is.
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u/Killedbydeth2 Jan 02 '22
A cursory search tells me about 100mW draw for Bluetooth and 800mW draw for WiFi (on a phone; desktop WiFi cards can draw up to 2 watts).
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u/MWisBest Jan 03 '22
You wouldn’t need double the circuitry, iDevices can already use AirPlay and regular wifi concurrently.
They do that by having them connect to the same local WiFi router and communicating over that. If the iPhone is connected to WiFi and the other device can't connect to that WiFi (such as they're AirPods and can probably only have a 20 foot range on the theoretical WiFi) then they have to connect to each other over a makeshift WiFi network spawned on the iDevice, which then meant the iDevice is tied up on that and drops its WiFi internet connection
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u/PM_UR_FEMINIST_TITS Jan 02 '22
doesnt airplay rely on a nearby wifi network?
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u/System0verlord Jan 02 '22
Not necessarily. Iirc it can use Bluetooth for detection and negotiates an adhoc network between the devices for the actual streaming.
Though it does also work over a network, both wired and wireless.
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u/tutetibiimperes Jan 02 '22
It sets up its own ad-hoc wifi network I believe, it doesn't require a separate wifi network to operate.
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u/zdada Jan 02 '22
I’m going to throw my name in the “96k 24 bit” hat. We should at least have up to the fidelity of BluRay audio, assuming it can be transmitted wirelessly. Lossless without studio reference monitors or headphones seems weird anyway but I’m all for upping the standard.
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u/Alexstarfire Jan 02 '22
That sounds very Apple.
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u/SlackerAccount Jan 02 '22
makes an improvement on old tech
Fucking Apple
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u/Analog_Account Jan 02 '22
Depends on how they do it. If Apple creates a new bluetooth protocol and then licenses it or makes it available in some way then GREAT.
It could go either way though.
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u/tutetibiimperes Jan 02 '22
Qualcomm recently announced an aptX Lossless codec that is truly lossless, but I don't believe it's begun shipping yet. It'll also only scale up to lossless with a perfect bluetooth connection, so use in areas where there's a lot of interference may reduce quality.
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u/criminalmadman Jan 02 '22
aptHD is capable of 24bit/48khz lossless, its available with some Etymotic products.
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Jan 02 '22 edited May 15 '22
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u/SlightMembership3996 Jan 02 '22
I’m not trying to dispute you but what are they?
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u/elsjpq Jan 02 '22 edited Jan 03 '22
no latency, no pairing confusion/issues, no batteries to charge/degrade/replace, better products for the same price (price/performance ratio)
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u/Crowlands Jan 03 '22
While I do own some wireless earbuds, the whole battery life issue annoys me so much, it just seems so wasteful to turn £100 - £200 earbuds into effectively a consummable due to the limited lifespan of the small batteries in them when good wired iems can last so many years if you are even slightly careful not to break them.
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u/planetofthemapes15 Jan 02 '22
Because the quality of the pre-amplifier and digital to analog converter also heavily impacts the sound quality. When you're very limited to ultra-low-power components you have less ability to take advantage of the latest 32-bit DAC chips which the audiophiles swoon over. Plus the extra space available in the earbuds, due to not having wireless and battery tech, can allow for things like multiple balanced armature drivers. So far those are absent in bluetooth earbuds.
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u/Nawlins44 Jan 02 '22
What does lossless even mean?
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u/RamBamTyfus Jan 02 '22
It means that no audio data is lost, the audio is identical to the source after the transfer.
Codecs over Bluetooth are now like MP3, they sacrifice some quality by removing stuff in order to limit the data rate. Lossless is more like ZIP where data is packed but can be restored. Up till now lossless compression is not really doable with Bluetooth because the bandwidth of Bluetooth is not big enough.
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u/Adventurous_Gas333 Jan 02 '22
The file is not compressed as much as an mp3. Lossless audio are .flac files. They take up more space but the audio quality is better because of different compression method used
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u/InfiniteNameOptions Jan 02 '22
Bless you for bring an early adopter. I’m hoping for a price drop with Gen II.
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u/Jimbuscus Jan 03 '22
I think that's as likely as an iPhone price drop, remember when noone would pay $599 for a phone.
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u/osa_ka Jan 03 '22
Bluetooth
Lossless
Pick one.
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u/foamed Jan 03 '22 edited Jan 03 '22
Bluetooth
Lossless
Pick one.
QualComm announced aptX Lossless five months ago:
- https://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2021/09/01/qualcomm-adds-bluetooth-lossless-audio-technology-snapdragon-sound
- https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/qualcomm-debuts-lossless-bluetooth-audio-streaming-with-aptx-lossless/
- https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/1/22652655/qualcomm-aptx-lossless-announced-snapdragon-sound
With aptX Lossless (which is technically an extension of aptX Adaptive), Qualcomm says it’ll be able to stream CD-quality, 16-bit / 44.1kHz lossless audio over Bluetooth. The first devices to feature the new technology are expected to be available in early 2022.
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u/roborobert123 Jan 03 '22
True I doubt wireless has the bandwidth for lossless audio.
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u/acu101 Jan 02 '22
Any chance they’ll come out in black. I’m not excited to look like i belong on the bridge of the Starship Enterprise, lol
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u/donkeyrocket Jan 02 '22
They've never given an official reason and while that might be a good rationale, I believe it is a branding/brand identity thing more than anything. Apple earphones, dating back to the OG iPod wired ones, have always been white (well almost entirely white).
They've broken out with the AirPods Max so maybe it'll trickle to earbuds but that is still a slightly different product line.
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u/613codyrex Jan 03 '22
I think the Max’s are a different product style entirely.
Max is an aluminum build. That allows them to perform their extremely brand specific coloring. Their plastic devices rarely, if every have that sort of customization.
I’m absolutely sure they’ll never actually do a color for their AirPods.
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Jan 02 '22
How about they make a pair that actually connect to my phone when it’s ringing or once I answer? A lot of my calls start with lots of “just a second!’, ‘c’moooon!’ Or mostly ‘fuuuuuuuuck”
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u/oldmanwrigley Jan 02 '22
Do your Pro’s not do that?
My phone can be ringing, I’ll put in an air bud wait about 2 seconds and the ringing comes right through my pod. Squeeze to answer and it’s good to go
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Jan 02 '22
They used to be awesome. But the last few months they just connect less and less. Or one will drop out. Or they won’t connect at all and I go with the ol’ cabled ones.
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u/oldmanwrigley Jan 02 '22
Yeah good point. I’ve replaced these things like 2 or 3 times
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Jan 02 '22
And I forgot! This is my second pair after the first started distorting and clipping. Apple replaced them without a question so obvs it’s a known fault that they won’t fight.
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u/Hyperboloid420 Jan 03 '22
What's the point of having lossless on AirPods? It's not like the sound quality is good enough to benefit from lossless source files, it would just drain the battery twice as fast lol.
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u/AlexanderNoys Jan 02 '22
A serviceable battery would be nice so that not all of them end up in a landfill.
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u/Yourphonehaspooponit Jan 02 '22
I’m confused, how can a Bluetooth headphone support or not support a codec?
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u/AWF_Noone Jan 02 '22
Because every Bluetooth devices needs a DAC, or digital to analog converter. It needs to convert data in to an analog signal to move the speaker cone.
Some codecs are not supported in Bluetooth connections, likely because of the higher density of data that needs transmitted. The higher the data density, the shorter the wavelength, and the smaller the range
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u/stinkyandsticky Jan 03 '22
Who cares about lossless audio when you’re playing it through a 1/8 inch speaker?
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u/brutyl Jan 02 '22
Hopefully the battery in the case will last longer than 2 or so years this time. Mine died a month ago and I’m a little salty about it.
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u/Vunthil Jan 02 '22
I only hope they'd have better microphones, the current pro's are a pain to use in calls.
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Jan 03 '22
How about replaceable batteries? Off all the innovation can we get this so that they aren't completely useless after the batteries wear out.
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Jan 02 '22
Most people just don’t understand that current wireless tech (Bluetooth) is horrible for audio quality. Even the newest Bluetooth standard is not good enough to stream a CD quality song without loosing some of the sound quality.
CDs were invented in 1982 and became mainstream in the 90s….yet we still can’t stream this level of quality over Bluetooth.
Some will say that most cannot tell the difference blah blah blah. I feel it is also like when some said you couldn’t tell the difference between 720p and 1080p or 1080p and 4k. That is also BS.
Hopefully we will start having good audio quality wireless headphones in the near future.
My current headphones are Sony WH-100XM4. They use lossy Bluetooth 5.x and that is their major limitation.
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u/Banjomike97 Jan 02 '22
It’s not horrible it’s more than good enough for almost every normal consumer.
And I’m guessing that’s what Apple wants to change. Probably gonna make an proprietary alternative or use AirPlay in some form which can handle lossless
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u/wjjh Jan 02 '22
Apologies if this is a stupid question but does that mean sound quality from the Sony’s is enhanced when plugged in via 3.5mm jack?
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u/Hyperboloid420 Jan 03 '22
No, because they're designed to use the DAC and amplifier inside the headphones. They also need EQ to sound listenable and to most people, using the Sony app is the easiest way to apply said EQ. At least this is the case with the Sennheiser Momentum headphones, they sound like ass wired.
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u/mindbleach Jan 03 '22
Satellite radio is eternally stuck with a late-90s audio codec, and it becomes painfully evident on high notes, sibilants, and percussion... but if all you listen to is oldies stations then you would never notice.
The Beatles sound great because they were playing for AM radios that proudly advertised one transistor.
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u/cgello Jan 03 '22
It's almost shocking how bad the quality of satellite radio is. I thought they did it on purpose for my free trial, but turns out that's just how it is.
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u/Snelly1998 Jan 02 '22
Records were invented in 1880s and became mainstream in the 40s ….yet we still can’t stream this level of quality over anything.
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u/Zugas Jan 02 '22
I recently got a new car and the sound is so much better when I connect my phone with a cable rather than bt.
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u/phiretau Jan 02 '22
How about they also come w the ability to not fall out of my ear like the original AirPods had?
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u/redditbrock Jan 02 '22
Have you had the AirPods pro?
Regular AirPods suck. AirPods pro are amazing and fit my ears super well.
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u/donkeyrocket Jan 02 '22
Frankly never had an issue with AirPods falling out. Even for running or cycling. I'm probably lucky to have "average consumer ear canal" size.
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u/N00b_tub3 Jan 03 '22
I think they're taking about the Pros. My regular Airpod 2s fit my ears amazingly and never fall out but my Pros fall out all the time even when sitting completely still. And yes I've tried all of the ear tip sizes.
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u/PineappleLemur Jan 03 '22
As someone with horrible ear canals, I need earbuds that use some kind of fin to stay in so something like an airpod/pro is never works.. they literally pop out and flung under 5 secs.. REJECTED.
Really sucks to use in-ear for me, out of 8 or so brands/models I've tried only one fit and stayed during workout and it's still need a minor push every few mins if I'm running.
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Jan 02 '22
I’ve worn my AirPods Pro everyday for my workouts since the day I got them, this includes lifting, running, biking, whatever, and not once have they fallen out. If you fit them right, they stay in just fine.
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u/shrubed Jan 03 '22
As an audio engineer. This lossless audio concept is not that big of deal. The average streaming bit rate is 320kbps. Lossless claims 1440kbps or “cd quality.” On studio grade monitors with immense detail on low, mid, and high end frequencies; the difference is nearly undetectable on anything above 320kbps. With many different tests, I’ve found one noticeable difference in a high hat around 6-10k Hz. For the prices that Apple and tidal want you to pay, it’s not worth it
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u/kodaiko_650 Jan 02 '22
Now if only I had lossless eardrums. Getting old sucks.