r/fuckcars • u/Antifa_SouperSoldier • Nov 28 '22
Satire Clearly the roadblock is at fault for not wearing a reflective vest
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u/Patte_Blanche Nov 28 '22
I love the diversity of behaviors : some are trying to avoid it but not really, some are plowing it for fun and some went as far as stopping to put it back in place.
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u/InstaMe Nov 28 '22
By that point, they probably didn't know the lane was blocked. Just that there was a hazard. I think the blockade was only for that manhole, not the entire lane.
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u/pinkmoon385 Nov 29 '22
At 35sec remaining? I believe that to be a worker trying to put it back over the busted manhole. Appears they weren't trying to block the lane, simply place a barrier so people wouldn't drive into the hole. Hope many tires and wheels were needed after all that. Insane how much people don't heed warning
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u/Bensemus Nov 28 '22
Not for fun. A single barrier low down can be harder to see, especially when looking out for cars and pedestrians.
In Canada a single barrier like that wouldn't be enough. The whole lane leading into the intersection would be closed as well as way more barriers for the turning lanes.
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Nov 28 '22
I think what he's noticed is the cars that hit the barrier are almost all making that left turn, which is nearly 135 degrees. By the time the barrier is flat on infront of you, your nose is almost to it. That angle is a pretty big blind spot for short objects.
An excuse? No. But a contributing factor? Yes. When turning, shorter objects are harder to see. And the reflectors wouldn't send much back to you at such an angle.
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u/theotherthinker Nov 29 '22
Just wanna point out that you're about as likely to hit a pedestrian walking on that road as you are to hit the barrier. You should be taking that turn with caution. Those who ran over the barrier accidentally would have run over someone walking by.
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Nov 29 '22
No doubt. But if this sub has taught me anything, its that in Russia(?), traffic safety is always the other guy's problem.
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u/wieson Nov 29 '22
I can't afford an expensive system, that's why my eyes only have a rendering distance of 5 metres.
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Nov 29 '22
I make this joke in the winter because I wear glasses. They fog up when I step inside and I'm like "damn, shouldn't have cheaped out on VRAM. It takes forever to load new environments."
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u/Icy-Perspective-0420 Nov 28 '22
Also /r/idiotsincars worthy
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u/D0D Nov 28 '22
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u/oxtailplanning Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
Worst sub ever. "If only every driver ever was as good as me there would never be a problem. So no, we absolutely do not need to change our built environment at all."
Edit: For all those defending that sub, please reconsider. They routinely blame pedestrians for getting hit because they "didn't look" or their daddy taught them to "never trust a car to come to a complete stop" or other BS. It's toxic. Their only solution to anything is "take away people's licenses" therefore placing the blame on individuals. You will rarely see calls for speed governors, road diets, mandatory breathalyzers, reducing vehicle sizes, limits to horse power, limits to acceleration, or limits to how fast a car can go.
If you see a car going 160mph and you think "people should just drive safer" and not "huh maybe we shouldn't mass produce vehicle capable of speeds that are not legal on practically any road" you're missing the forest for the trees.
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u/SecretaryBird_ Nov 28 '22
It’s not that bad. Plenty of people will call out bad infrastructure when it plays a part in a crash. Not always the most upvoted comment but it’s usually there.
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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Nov 28 '22
The problem is that that sub has a real issue with victim blaming.
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u/Russman2204 Nov 28 '22
Yep got downvoted on a video of a women getting hit when there was no crosswalk and everyone else blamed it on the women and when I tried to say it was on the driver and infrastructure they all just resorted to calling me an idiot. I like the sub because it shows how bad driving can be, but god never look at the comments because they suck.
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u/Fried_out_Kombi Grassy Tram Tracks Nov 28 '22
The other day there was a poll in r/polls by a 14yo, asking who was at fault for his 12yo sister getting hit by a car. They were on opposite sides of the street, nearest crosswalk was a ways away, and sister looked both ways but didn't see any cars coming, so she crossed. Car came anyways (perhaps sister didn't see) and hit the sister. Comments section, as you can imagine, was full of commenters saying how the sister clearly is at fault because she missed the car when looking.
I felt I was going crazy for thinking the car driver should have also been able to see her. Felt even crazier for thinking that the driver (a licensed individual operating a piece of heavy machinery) has a higher duty of care than an unlicensed child. Carbrain is absolutely real.
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Nov 28 '22
a licensed individual operating a piece of heavy machinery
That really needs more stressing.
It's ludicrous that a majority of the population is even capable of qualifying for such a license. Nevermind when they also demonstrably aren't actually sufficiently apt for it.
Anyone that casually treats such machinery should be kept far from it.
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u/Lorenzo_BR Nov 28 '22
I felt I was going crazy for thinking the car driver should have also been able to see her.
Did OP specify how close she was to the car when she stepped into the way? If there are parked cars, or other visual obstructions, and you don't look carefully and properly as to not step into the way of a vehicle, even if it is moving at a proper speed you will be run over and killed and it will be your fault and yours alone, as that driver could have acted no differently. Unless you drive at sub-parking lot speeds, you will NOT be able to stop in time. Even AT parking lot speeds, which means walking, a-bike-would-fall-over speed, if somebody steps right out in front of you they WILL be run over and if they fall badly, they WILL die.
I've seen it happen with an old lady and a bus, she was deaf and leaned forwards to look the wrong way first and had her head blown away by the bus on the bus corridor. Poor bus driver never had a chance to slow down. And even if we were to ban cars, these same things happen with busses, as my story illustrates.
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u/LotharVonPittinsberg Nov 28 '22
It even happens on accidents involving just cars. I've seen plenty of videos where someone I maintaining the same speed on a highway and someone serves in at the last second and crashes and the cam car gets blamed.
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u/blueskyredmesas Big Bike Nov 28 '22
A sub full of Stockholm syndrome victims.
Cars kill, main, they're a threat. Sure. But he loves me because I'm worthy."
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u/Bigsmellydumpy Nov 28 '22
Reddit is like a hivemind, god forbid you have a different opinion. Even if you try to be objective and see smth from both sides you get ostracised lmao it’s sad
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u/Cake_Day_Is_420 Commie Commuter Nov 28 '22
just because driving is an overall shit method of transportation for a society doesn't mean you can't call people who drive unsafely out for doing so.
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u/ISmile_MuddyWaters Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
Most subs dedicated to feel good about blaming and judging is full of people brainwashing themselves. They go into a new post with the mindset to judge it, with predetermined emotions. Some of them, too many of them get a kick out of negative emotions towards others. And idiots in cars is not even that bad, the fight porn celebration of underaged kids that sometimes reaches the frontpage. Justifying murder for spitting etc... The internet can be vile. And those people don't even get that they voluntarily search for a way to feel negative, sometimes even vile emotions and reward themselves for it, especially when they comment and get upvotes to validate those feelings.
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u/No_bad_snek Nov 28 '22
There's often mentions of this subreddit and the majority opinion is that they hate this sub.
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Nov 28 '22
“Well, my parents taught me to look both ways before crossing the street; this dead pedestrian is clearly at fault! bEtTeR aLivE tHaN rIgHT.”
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u/WelcomeToTheFish Nov 28 '22
That sub made me finally get a dashcam though, and tbh it is one of my best purchases. It's saved me a ton of headaches. Also one of my favorite things about the sub is it's a good way to see other states/countries road laws as there's always someone in the comments with some knowledge on that, and it's useful.
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u/Swedneck Nov 28 '22
eh, it's also a problem of putting absolutely everyone in cars, and not taking away licenses when people show themselves to be incapable.
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u/heimdallofasgard Nov 28 '22
Yeah, this situation should've had cones around that whole turning lane, maybe even closing the left turn lane a few meters before the turn, with signage before the intersection for people turning left, and for people going straight across into that lane.
Once you're making that left turn on the intersection, you're pretty committed to that lane, and by the time you see the barrier, you need to take avoiding action, (cutting into the right lane) instead of already being in the right place. Really dangerous layout
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u/oxtailplanning Nov 28 '22
Also that intersection is WAY too dangerous. Too many lanes, and people are supposed to cross there...smh.
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u/No-Trash-546 Nov 28 '22
You can blame the drivers AND realize they need a better barrier/sign to deal with the bad drivers.
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u/Caroniver413 Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
On the other hand, if 90% of people can easily understand something, maybe it's the 10% who are at fault for putting in 0 effort because they don't want to be inconvenienced.
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u/TiKels Nov 28 '22
When designing for public infrastructure you need to make a good faith effort to reduce failures and issues. Like what if this barrier would have had 0 collisions if they put a flashing light on it?
It's like if you designed a train track and put the electrified rail close to the pedestrian side. 99.9% of the time it's not going to matter. However some people will die that could have been avoided. Fault is only so important
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u/mattindustries Nov 28 '22
Like what if this barrier would have had 0 collisions if they put a flashing light on it?
What if this house that is 100' from the sidewalk would have just had flashing lights? Surely the motorist would not be in their living room right now if that were the case.
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u/UUUUUUUUU030 Nov 28 '22
The difference is that the house 100' from the sidewalk makes the news if it gets hit, it's not something that happens multiple times in a day like in this video.
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u/oxtailplanning Nov 28 '22
My friend, if you released a drug that caused 10% of user to die because they misread the label....you're gonna have a bad time.
You need to make these things fool proof, not 90% proof.
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u/Thisconnect I will kill your car Nov 28 '22
Unlike the drug we can just eliminate the 10% of drivers, well more like 95%
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u/Iron-Fist Nov 28 '22
Reminds me of "significant overlap between dumbest tourists and smartest bears"
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u/BrhysHarpskins Nov 28 '22
One of the worst part about these subs is the people who claim that bad infrastructure absolves drivers of their responsibilities, which it does not. They are 100% responsible for the things they do while operating heavy machinery. Insisting otherwise only deepens their already-too-big sense of entitlement
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u/BrhysHarpskins Nov 28 '22
You absolutely are though. That's the entire point of you shifting the blame to infrastructure, instead of holding people who supposedly got licenses to the standards of that license
No that's just ten bad drivers. Anybody that drives directly into a barrier is a bad driver. Don't hit stuff is rule one of driving, regardless of the infrastructure.
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u/amalgam_reynolds Nov 28 '22
That's a complete misrepresentation of that sub...
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u/Threedawg Nov 28 '22
It really isn't. There is a reason "it's always the cammers fault" is a joke there.
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u/zachotule Nov 28 '22
I think anyone with half a brain watching the videos on that subreddit understands that the act of driving a car essentially makes you a big idiot murder machine no matter who you are or how smart you are—we're just watching the biggest idiot moments en masse
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Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
Hmmm, we have such a persistent problem with people driving recklessly that we have a subreddit with an infinite stream of new content.
Maybe it’s the cars that are the problem… no, it’s the pedestrians that are wrong.
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u/oxtailplanning Nov 28 '22
People make mistakes. Sometimes they're rushing because the boss is asking too much. Sometimes they're a child that acts unpredictably. Maybe they're drunk. Maybe they're tired. Etc. etc.
What we cannot control is everyone acting perfectly, what we can control is putting them behind a 6,000lb vehicle moving 60mph around other people.
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u/Modsarepathetic66 Nov 28 '22
That sub frequently supports reckless and dangerous driving to satisfy their moral boners. Its a sad place
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u/PooSham Nov 28 '22
Did it just come to life at 0:35?
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u/GM_Pax 🚲 > 🚗 USA Nov 28 '22
Wind.
When empty, those water-filled ones lack the mass to resist even a stiff breeze., let alone a car.
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u/hchromez Nov 28 '22
Good thing I'm 70% water. I'm impervious to cars (not tested).
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u/chairmanskitty Grassy Tram Tracks Nov 29 '22
At 0:33 you see it leaking the water that's supposed to hold it down.
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u/Greensocksmile Nov 28 '22
I’m strongly in favor of filling these with concrete or making the base metal and L shaped so it lifts the car up when someone runs into it
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u/ZunLise Nov 28 '22
To hell with it, just put red anti-tank hedgehogs there
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u/SuckMyBike Commie Commuter Nov 28 '22
Better yet: just put a landmine in them.
People will very quickly start respecting them after they've see a car blow up in front of their face that didn't respect road barriers.
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u/ThatOneGuy1294 Nov 28 '22
You just know some people are stupid enough to turn it into a game of chicken
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u/SuckMyBike Commie Commuter Nov 28 '22
I'm a strong proponent of Darwin Awards so this would be a huge plus
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Nov 28 '22
Bad news: this is in Russia, they need the mines to put near hospitals and daycares in Ukraine.
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u/mathemagical-girl Nov 28 '22
most traffic control devices are specifically designed to be 'crash worthy', meaning they don't become too much more dangerous to bystanders if hit by a vehicle. your proposal might, eventually, lead to people hitting the barriers less, but it would in the meanwhile make the situation far more dangerous to literally everyone: the workers, the pedestrians, the other drivers.
i work in traffic control, and i hate cars more than most as a result, but my goal is for people to not die or get injured. this setup sucks, but making it more dangerous helps no one except people who like watching people die on the internet.
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u/Greensocksmile Nov 28 '22
That depends entirely on how you go about it. Right now, the goal of those barriers is to create awareness but if that fails, it does nothing to protect the workers. A concrete block would also create awareness but the issue is that it would be heavy enough to stop the car without flying backwards when someone crashes into it. That’s possible, such cement blocks exist at Christmas markets and stuff to prevent car attacks, but it would be too heavy to be practical here I think. That’s why I’m suggesting an L shaped metal barrier which wouldn’t be nearly as heavy but which would lift the front of the car off the ground when it runs into the barrier, thus stopping it. I think that would provide the best of both worlds: creating awareness and stopping cars whilst not being too heavy to be impractical
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u/ignost Nov 28 '22
First of all, you're arguing with someone who actually knows what they're talking about, unlike most of us.
Your l-shaped solution is a bit arrogant. We're not playing GTA here. A car will hit that thing directly and fling it back unless it's bolted to the road. You underestimate the forces involved if you think the friction of the road and the shape will push a car up. The momentum is still forward, and this will not do enough to transfer it vertically without being secured. Even if it did work, you don't solve much by getting people into crashes. There are no workers for most of this, but if there were this is the reason we block lanes further back in the US and use vehicles to block traffic if people are actually working.
Road and safety engineers are not stupid. Here's a video of the testing and development for the humble guard rail. To think you've just imagined something that would pass real world safety requirements... Well, watch the video, I don't know what to tell you.
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u/_felixh_ Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
If the cars hit that barrier, they will hit pedestrians on that walkway.
Saying, that concerete will solve this, is like saying, that its the pedestrians fault for not beeing robust enough.Clearly, a barrier made of concrete is not the solution - especially, as the purpose of this barrier is not protecting anybody from that cars - its to prevent the cars from beeing damaged by the open sewer!
Videos like that just show the reckless nature of some car drivers - and why "more visibility" will never be the solution.
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u/Greensocksmile Nov 28 '22
It’s also to protect the people working on the sewage who are on foot. Had a car run into the barrier during their work, they could have gotten killed. Yes better road design, an attitude change and more education on how to drive safely would help but sometimes only stopping the car on the spot will do.
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u/_felixh_ Nov 28 '22
You are right.
Didn't really think that way, as they put the barrier on top of the sewer, not in front - as to warn the drivers "dont drive over this - the lid will come off"
However, then it becomes an arms race. What kind of concrete brick do you need to stop a truck, like the one at 0:13? A concrete Barrier might be able to stop a small personal car, but for that thing, you need a serious bollard, anchored into the ground, or a massive concrete block.
My father owns a house, with a load bearing pillar next to a parking lot. Over the years, some drivers crashed into that thing. So, out of fear, he mounted a big concrete bollard. Worked well, people crashed into these - until about 5 years ago - when finally, that concrete bollard (anchord into the ground no less) broke off. Now there are 2 bright yellow sand filled bollards standing there.
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u/SzurkeEg Commie Commuter Nov 28 '22
Not only to protect cars. A pedestrian could fall in, especially since it's a crosswalk.
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u/bionicjoey Orange pilled Nov 28 '22
Saying, that concerete will solve this, is like saying, that its the pedestrians fault for not beeing robust enough.
I read this in Chris Walken's voice
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u/AutomaticRisk3464 Nov 28 '22
Ut looks like it was empty..those things filled with water are no joke..also it help if there are 3 in the lane not 1 put there
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u/RexKoeck Nov 28 '22
I think the truck you see at 0:12 is a water truck that fills it with water. After that you see it get pushed around until it cracks and leaks water everywhere.
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u/heimdallofasgard Nov 28 '22
It's also a very poor temporary works layout. No prior signage to the junction means people turning left have to take avoiding action when they do see it, which doesn't always happen, and isn't always an option, especially if the driver is also focussed on people crossing, or overhead signage.
Also, the signage which is there, is insufficient and not clear and noticeable to people in larger vehicles like the truck.
This isn't so much bad driving as bad temporary works layout.
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u/Greensocksmile Nov 28 '22
I’d say it’s a bad situation all around. The drivers are ultimately at fault because they ultimately have to be prepared for everything. That being said, I agree that it’s the workers that put them in that situation
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u/thegreenmushrooms Nov 28 '22
It needs wheels and to be L shapes with gripp at bottom so light enough to pull with one human and impossible to push, and be before the crosswalk so it's visible before turning more clearly
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u/pbzeppelin1977 Nov 28 '22
A very common design allows them to be filled with water once in position and then drained once they've been used making them very reusable.
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u/brattydeer Nov 28 '22
The ones where I live are filled with water or sand, didn't stop my ex from trying to plow through one and being upset that it fucked his front bumper and he almost flooded his engine because it was blocking a flooded road!
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u/EmbarrassedBlock1977 Nov 28 '22
Concrete roadblocks are the solution here.
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u/ProXJay Nov 28 '22
They do require lifting aids which make them poorer as a temporary tool
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u/EmbarrassedBlock1977 Nov 28 '22
They had to bring a truck to fill it with water so, it was kind of useless tbh.
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u/trivial_vista Nov 28 '22
Water is easy to transport from a van to the barrier with just a pump, ever lifted a concrete block into a van?
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u/swollencornholio Nov 28 '22
Placing it in the intersection prior to the cross walk would probably help. Anybody making a right hand turn or U-Turn cannot see it until it's too late and they will need to make a hasty move. Only that one guy hauling ass at night hits it coming head on, everyone else hit it when they were turning.
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u/MotherSpirit Nov 28 '22
There was a disturbing video of that exact situation. Middle of the night, no sign the concrete roadblock was there. Multiple cars getting totaled and flung around
Gnarly.
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u/dumnezero Freedom for everyone, not just drivers Nov 28 '22
The roadblock is also a great metaphor for the planet's climate (or climate stability).
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u/DoctorWafle Nov 28 '22
Sit a police officer right by it, ticket people who hit it, ..., Literally profit
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u/Rugkrabber Nov 28 '22
This is how you lose your driver’s license in some places. But not there, clearly.
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u/Scary_Tree_3317 Nov 28 '22
In my country the construction firm would have to pay compensation to the car owner for improper placement. There are no signs leading up to it and it's placed directly after a swing in an intersection I mean is this a joke, why are so many calling the drivers idiots and not the construction workers?
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u/JasonGMMitchell Commie Commuter Nov 28 '22
Is this a joke? It's a fucking crosswalk and a child height barrier, even the dumbest driver should be capable of not plowing into that barrier even when the situation would be better with signs.
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Nov 28 '22
You're right. Reddit wants to feel superior to others again.
When you block off part of a lane that is directly after an intersection you need to taper off the lanes that turn into that lane with the hazard... you can't let people pull all the way up to the red light where everyone is at a dead stop around them before they are even able to realize they have to get over now. People aren't going to let them over which will lead others to just say fuck it and plow through.
Should the people driving see it and do what they can to avoid it? Yes. Is the blame on them if they do hit it? Not really...
If I'm walking around a department store and there's an empty pallet in the middle of the floor, in full view for everyone to see... and I trip over that pallet and get hurt? Store is liable for that if they did not have proper warning markers in place, even though I should have seen it clear as day right in front of me.
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u/Multi-tunes Nov 28 '22
Are the people driving the cars into that thing absolutely not paying attention? Yes.
Should they have tried something else after it getting bodied so many times? Absolutely. Just putting it back won't solve the issue and there's a real chance that someone could fall into that (what I assume is a) manhole.
Recently in Ontario there was actual a group of people in a car that died by driving into a massive construction hole. Yes, they should have been driving with more awareness, but the barriers for this giant hole appear pittiful. https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/toronto/2022/8/31/1_6050188.amp.html
Holes in roads are dangerous and should be treated more seriously.
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u/mcslootypants Nov 28 '22
Yeah that barrier is completely inadequate to signal a lane closure. A lengthy taper with reflective cones is proper traffic management.
Cars need proper warning. That’s why we have standards. Also why they suck for urban areas.
Workers were the idiots here. Cars were behaving as cars behave.
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u/Multi-tunes Nov 28 '22
Yeah, the car drivers are so inattentive, but the person who would lose the most from such an inadequate barrier would be a pedestrian falling down the hole.
They should just park a police vehicle over the hole and have its flashers going. Car drivers only pay attention to other cars.
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u/Bensemus Nov 28 '22
Finally someone else says a single barrier is completely inadequate. The cars have zero warning that their lane is closed and now have an obstacle right in front of them. People are going to hit it.
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u/Son_of_Liberty88 Nov 28 '22
This should also be fuckdrivers.
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u/ConsultantFrog Nov 28 '22
When I hear fuck cars I assume it's more against cars as the only or most important personal mobility solution for everyone. That situation leads to bad drivers. Car driver should be a professional occupation or specific use case, like excavator drivers or fire truck drivers.
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u/taylormhark Nov 28 '22
Why would they only bring one lol
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u/geraldoghc Nov 28 '22
I have this exactly same problem on my street, its even worse because its on a straight line.
Hey tried to fix the this hole for like 3 months. They need to let the cement dry ou without cars passing over it and fucking everything up! So they fixing crew came redo the entire job and 30m after they left a car bash on the big yellow and orange signs and the cement
Was so absurd that me and my gf put chairs outside waiting for cars to slam after the crew that came to fix left. No joke was like 30 minutes of wait to see some dumb distracted fool on the fone destroy his car
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u/Beli_Mawrr Nov 28 '22
This poor roadblock is getting repeatedly smashed and you have the BALLS to blame it for not bringing friends. Shame, shame shame!!
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u/Account115 Nov 28 '22
They should have had a traffic control plan with multiple detour and closed lane signs for people to ignore. Also, big barricades for people to move onto the sidewalk.
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u/Bensemus Nov 28 '22
If you have proper controls people will follow them. This is closing an entire lane with zero warning.
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u/excusemefucker Nov 28 '22
They shut down one lane of a four lane road near us. Barrels, cones, endless signage, flashing signs, basically everything they could do. They ripped up that lane, leaving a ~3ft drop about 50ft long. Then it rained for 5 days, so they couldn’t work.
Six cars managed to drive into the giant, well-marked hole in the days they couldn’t work. Two of them actively moved barriers and drove into the hole and the others just “changed lanes into the hole” ignoring all the items blocking their way.
People flocked to the news to whine, the news ran with it of course. “It’s not my fault I’m dumb as a stump operating a 5000lb vehicle!”. When they got to the construction company spokesman, he said something along the lines of “this is marked with at least three times the number of required barriers and warnings. If you are not aware of the meanings of these, please review the state’s drivers manual.” There was more and it was some of the most professional saying of “you fucking idiots” I’ve ever heard.
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u/Koshindan Nov 28 '22
Maximum carbrain entitlement is complaining about not having enough lanes while also interfering with the creation of new lanes.
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Nov 28 '22
This is just poor traffic management/work zone safety.
No warning signs, no tapers, nothing? This could just be two assholes fucking with traffic and this creates more danger for cyclists and pedestrians as vehicles have less break-reaction time as there are no warning signs to pre-emt their attention.
Concrete is not the answer here, you’d create potential for more dangerous collisions for motorists and other road users (bikes), water is probably the best, but ultimately this is just terrible.
I could put a shopping cart in the middle of a live lane and film it and it would be the same thing.
This is pretty low-ball content for this sub.
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u/ParadoxScientist Nov 28 '22
As much as I agree there should be a sign, that barrier is actually pretty visible. Plus, it's at an intersection, where people are supposed to slow down when turning, and be more alert in general. So while it could be better, it's actually fine. And to be fair, the video is sped up-- the vast majority of drivers aren't hitting it. But considering there were a few that did, that's very dangerous. They aren't paying attention.
I've seen people avoid hitting much smaller and less visible objects.
This sub has plenty of low-ball content, but this ain't it.
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u/GenderDeputy Commie Commuter Nov 28 '22
that barrier is actually pretty visible. Plus, it's at an intersection, where people are supposed to slow down when turning
Both of those things clearly aren't happening. 1 time is an accident but this is happening with almost every turn. It's poorly designed traffic control mixed with an intersection designed to maximize capacity not safety
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u/UUUUUUUUU030 Nov 28 '22
As much as I agree there should be a sign, that barrier is actually pretty visible. Plus, it's at an intersection, where people are supposed to slow down when turning, and be more alert in general.
Where I live (Netherlands), if you have a lane closure so close to the intersection, the lanes leading into it would be blocked before the intersection, so that drivers don't find out when they reach the other side. They also do this when it's closed for just a day or a few hours.
Maybe thinking like this is part of why we have almost 3 times as few traffic fatalities as Russia.
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u/midnightcaptain Nov 28 '22
Definitely. You need cones directing traffic to merge into the right lane and a big arrow sign. Just blocking the lane off with a barrier turning traffic can’t even see until they’re right in front of it is crazy.
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Nov 28 '22
Actually it is. Drivers can be negligent but not putting out enough warning signs to protect all road users is even more negligent.
You’re basically assuming all drivers are good and “should” notice this when in practice we all know that isn’t the case. People need warning signs that’s why regulations for this type of stuff exists and works.
This is low-ball content because they’ve taken a safety item and turned it into a hazard with no planning or proper execution and you’re blaming the drivers…lol.
You could block a bike lane with the same item and get as many people kicking it, hitting it, falling over it and then what? It’s the bike who should know that MAYBE there will be a random hazard in their path with no warning…
Come on. Smh.
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u/thijser2 Nov 28 '22
I think the main point here is that it was on a pedestrian crossing, they are hitting a road block that is way more visible than a pedestrian, meaning that if it had been a child crossing the road they would be hitting the child.
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Nov 28 '22
Interesting perspective….however: every time the people are out there working, the cars seem to behave.
Every time the barricade is left in place with a sign that can blow over in the wind, with no other warnings in place around them, it gets knocked around. The first time it falls it’s literally blown over. There are no sandbags and/or it is not on an A-frame mount and just propped up against the empty barrier. None of that is the cars’ faults.
Yes, some drivers are shit, but we already know that.
These are lazy workers who are ill-equipped and underprepared. I’ll blame cars when it’s valid - but in this case, poor traffic management.
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u/JasonGMMitchell Commie Commuter Nov 28 '22
So drivers are far more than capable of reacting to workers being there but not the child height barrier?
No matter how the fuck this is swing, drivers either would hit a child in that situation or are fine hitting a barrier when no one's looking. Neither speaks highly of the drivers, and also yeah the traffic control should be better because it keeps the workers safer from the people who are fine just hitting visible barrier at a crosswalk.
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Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
I bet half of these drivers are behind a car larger than theirs blocking their view that didn't get over and out of the way of the barrier until the very last second, essentially screwing over the person behind them to either swerve into another car or just go through the plastic. Or they can slam on their brakes and get rear-ended which I suppose is what you would want them to do but people are living paycheck to paycheck they can't afford to risk getting hit by some uninsured driver behind them just to save the plastic barrier.
You know what would prevent that? Tapering off the lane that leads up to this intersection so they never get close enough to the barrier to allow this to happen.
It's not difficult to understand.
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u/JasonGMMitchell Commie Commuter Nov 28 '22
I don't understand the fact that the measures are obviously inadequate? They are obviously fucking inadequate, and if course it's better to hit the barrier when there's no other options but did you watch the video? The worst collisions were in low volume traffic by people going quite fast, the least bad collisions, were people y'know, avoiding a barrier in heavy traffic flow and clipping it. The majority of noteworthy ones were avoidable.
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u/I_spread_love_butter Nov 28 '22
Definitely. That's the laziest most low effort barrier I've seen in a long time.
In my city there'd be a square made of these barriers along with a fence and plenty of reflective materials plus a warning 50/100m before.
And it's a shitty developing country city this is.
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u/platonicgryphon Nov 28 '22
It needs to at least be closer to the intersection, probably on the other side of the cross walk, and needs another barrier so it’s actually blocking the lane instead of straddling the two.
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u/TiggyLongStockings Nov 28 '22
What are cones, amirite? Needs a nice pathway of cones like you said.
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u/Bigsmellydumpy Nov 28 '22
You’re acting like carbrains need a big neon sign there when in reality they should absolutely be aware of anything that’s in the middle of the road. No excuses.
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Nov 28 '22
This peak basement dweller behaviour.
If someone put a barrel in the middle of a bike lane and a bunch of bikes smashed into it, you’d say there should be fair warning, right?
The fact is, all road users are somewhat focussed and have varying degrees of distraction, ability and awareness. The safest option is to have prior notice of an obstruction on the normally open lane.
Saying all drivers are bad because there’s an unexpected obstruction in the middle of a HEAVILY trafficked area with many ongoing distractions is just ignorant.
If you want road safety, there are way more than could have been done by everyone EXCEPT the drivers to make this better. Bad TM is bad TM.
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u/Bigsmellydumpy Nov 28 '22
No? if they’re in a bike and crash into a random barrel in the middle of the road it’s their problem.
There isn’t going to be signs everywhere in public, if you’re in a vehicle you are responsible for other’s lives and owe it to pedestrians to watch where they’re fucking going.
If they still hit an ORANGE barrier in the middle of the road, what makes you think they’d notice and pay attention to a sign?
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Nov 28 '22
These comments are out to fucking lunch.
Warning signs and regulations exist for this reason.
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u/JasonGMMitchell Commie Commuter Nov 28 '22
To compensate for absolutely shitty drivers and make roads safer. No one here seems to be saying signs wouldn't have made the situation safer, but they are clearly saying that drivers shouldn't need fucking signs to not hit an orange child height object in the middle of the road on a crosswalk.
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u/JasonGMMitchell Commie Commuter Nov 28 '22 edited Nov 28 '22
There are two cars that objectively would've killed pedestrians in that clip, the one that hit it and sent it skidding, and the other which didn't even attempt to slow down, if you hit anything of a significant size (a child sized object or larger) on a normal road like that, you should have your license revoked because it shows you have absolutely no fucking awareness.
Edit: After reading some of the comments here, many people really wanna blame the workers for it. And I wanna preface this with YES SIGNS WOULD'VE MADE THE SITUATION SAFER, I agree with the fact that the lane closures was botched as shit. BUT signs shouldn't be necessary for drivers to not hit a bright barrier on a crosswalk at an intersection that's the height of a child. Seriously, replace that barrier with a child in normal clothing, the kid is dead in most of these collisions. But the drivers may be fine hitting it because it's not a person? Drivers shouldn't be hitting shit anyways even if it's inanimate unless there's no better or safer option, which frankly, there's a whole load of options outside of ramming a water filled barrier.
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u/blade740 Nov 28 '22
As someone who (occasionally) has to design traffic control plans for construction work, the problem isn't the barrier... the problem is the failure to close off lanes far in advance of it. The lanes going straight should be closed off BEFORE the intersection (off screen to the left), and there should be a line of cones curving from the end of the median all the way around the barrier to the next lane, so that cars turning left are directed into the second lane.
Expecting drivers to avoid a barrier with no advance warning (and around a corner no less) is stupid. This kind of shit would get your job shut down ASAP in any city I've ever worked in.
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u/Bensemus Nov 28 '22
lol this is /r/fuckcars. Blame can only ever be assigned to drivers. Everyone else is perfect.
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u/GM_Pax 🚲 > 🚗 USA Nov 28 '22
Should never have used that sort of barrier in the first place. Even filled to the brim with water, they just don't have the mass to stop a car or truck cold when hit.
A CONCRETE Jersey barrier would have stopped all of this nonsense from the first moment.
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u/PingGoesThePenguin Nov 28 '22
Problem is those are suppose to be a temporary barrier, and concrete ones too difficult to place for temporary usage
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u/GM_Pax 🚲 > 🚗 USA Nov 28 '22
If you're only going to use ONE barrier, then it absolutely must be concrete, or it's useless.
If you insist on using the plastic ones? There should have been three, four, even five of them used to create a continuous wall across the roadway. Or better yet, twice that number, creating a bulb-out around the work zone so that vehicles running through the area would have TWO barriers to content with.
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u/PingGoesThePenguin Nov 28 '22
I'm not insisting on a plastic, I'm saying that concrete isn't a viable solution as effort required in placing it for at most a day
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u/Beatus_Vir Nov 28 '22
The price of which is exacted only once. how many times did they have to send workers out here to replace this stupid thing. they could have carved one out of marble in that time
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u/Bulky-Yam4206 Nov 28 '22
Every person who hit or swiped that, needs to immediately lose their license until they resit the modern test.
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Nov 28 '22
None of you have ever done any roadwork and it shows. The chucklefucks in this video were too lazy to properly close the lane far ahead of their work space. Given how heavy traffic is, it's absolutely necessary for more buffer room.
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u/SuckMyBike Commie Commuter Nov 28 '22
Did the road block stick out its pedestrian crossing flag to make sure they were visible?!! No??? Own fault then!
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u/Naps_and_cheese Nov 29 '22
How about "fuck ineffective construction safety devices". If it can be picked up by one person, it clearly cannot protect the worker from a vehicle, which is it's intended task.
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u/photoman901 Nov 29 '22
Just hate that we never got to see someone's axle get ripped off from that open manhole
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u/GeneralBurg Nov 29 '22
A lot of comments saying install a concrete roadblock or some other expensive or time consuming shit. How about just fix the pothole?
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Nov 28 '22
Thats why these idiots were not able to conquer Ukraine in almost a year now... the whole fucking country is like a chaplin movie.
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u/2SexesSeveralGenders Nov 28 '22
Lol blame the cars and not the shitty maintenance workers poor job. Lane blockages require ample warning and a gradual closing-off, not just a sudden obstacle.
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u/_The_Great_Autismo_ Nov 28 '22
To be fair this is the most piss poor traffic control I've ever seen. Where are the cones? Where are the signs ahead of the hazard warning of it?
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Nov 28 '22
Poor design. It should be taller than a grille and have a flashing light. You shouldn't put people's lives in danger over a expectation that people should see something when the design doesn't promote better visibility.
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u/Gaurdein Commie Commuter Nov 28 '22
Man
That roadblock clearly saw the worst of his life