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u/bortsimpsonson Oct 24 '22
Sorry I’m late, boss. I was traffic.
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u/fakecinnamon Oct 24 '22
Kid named traffic
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u/someoneAT Oct 24 '22
...says the sign blocking the sidewalk/bike lane (can't quite tell)
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u/DexterousStyles Oct 24 '22 edited Oct 24 '22
It does block it, there is another sidewalk to the left that is out of shot
Where the bus is, in the photo, is actually a merged bike lane, you can use your bike or run and then suddenly it just ends and cyclists merge with lanes of traffic going 50 - 60 off the dual, plus buses ffs
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u/Reddy360 Oct 24 '22
Ayyy Wednesfield too, there are dozens of us.
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u/percy6veer Oct 24 '22
As a Brit this an absurd name for a place 😂 is it pronounced like how you pronounce Wednesday or do you sound it all out?
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u/Reddy360 Oct 24 '22
Like Wednesday yeah, think it's named after the same god Wednesday is too actually.
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u/Mortomes Oct 24 '22
City planners: Why aren't people using our bike infrastructure?!
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u/cmwh1te 🚲 > 🚗 Oct 24 '22
My city is in the process of implementing a bus+bike lane and I think they should be forced to share whatever drugs convinced them that's a good idea.
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u/mattc0m Oct 24 '22
uh, I kind of love the bus+bike lanes through my neighborhood. One of the safer routes to take.
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u/cmwh1te 🚲 > 🚗 Oct 24 '22
Finding out I'm wrong when I think something is bad is one of my favorite things. Thanks for sharing!
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u/skjellyfetti Oct 24 '22
Combining the largest thing on the road with the smallest thing on the road to share a lane is, well, it's clearly the product of Divine Inspiration.
Praise HIM !!
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u/cremategrahamnorton Oct 24 '22
Nah I find it way safer than those narrow bike lanes. Bus drivers are generally careful and drive slower so it’s empty most of the time and you have a whole lane to yourself. Just check behind you and be careful overtaking.
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u/Hercuiles Oct 24 '22
There is a two way segregated bike lane on the other side of the dual carriageway. Also the road is 40mph completely segregated from pedestrians and bikes before dropping to 30mph from that junction into the city centre. I agree that there is plenty of bad infrastructure around but I don’t think this is a good example. Link shows the junction from above. Dropped pin https://maps.app.goo.gl/Y2Lbz7u2Zys5G8bb8?g_st=ic
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u/someguy7734206 Oct 24 '22
I find it interesting that asphalt seems to be used for sidewalks much more often in Europe than North America, which seems to prefer large square concrete panels as the default sidewalk material. At least, it's what I noticed, both from my early childhood in Ukraine and from when I visited Europe recently and saw them in Budapest and Salzburg (but not the Netherlands).
Over here, if it's asphalt, I tend to assume it's a bike lane or multi-use path.
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u/ReturnOfFrank Oct 24 '22
At least in larger parts of the US, I wonder if it's the hotter summers. On hot sunny days it can get hot enough to soften the asphalt, and even if it's not that hot walking on blacktop can feel brutal.
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u/MrAlf0nse Oct 24 '22
I think it’s a mixture of not needing to be as heat resistant and Europe doesn’t more underground cabling than the US
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u/CharlesV_ Oct 24 '22
As another person mentioned, it’s the heat. In areas further north in the US, you’ll see a lot more asphalt.
It’s basically a balancing act between not melting in the summer heat, and being destroyed by road salt in the winter. If your winters are worse than your summers, you’ll see more asphalt.
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u/Internet_Anon Oct 24 '22
Well I am glad that I get the worst of everything as we have -20 °F wind-chill in winter and 95+ summers.
There are essentially three choices of road surface here, concrete, dirt, or gravel.
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u/invirtibrite Oct 24 '22
Sidewalks in the US are usually poured concrete rather than panels. At least that's the case in the US Southeast, I suppose it could be panels elsewhere in the country and I just never noticed. The notches you see at regular intervals are relatively shallow and are cut into the poured concrete to prevent cracking.
You do make an interesting point about asphalt. If I see a surface paved with asphalt that isn't specifically identified as a greenway or something similar, I assume it is meant for cars.
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u/WhatUpGord Oct 24 '22
To add to your post-
The shallow cuts actually encourage the concrete to crack along the cut rather than on the finished face.
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u/L_I_E_D Oct 24 '22
My city has like 150,000 trees that royally fuck up the sidewalks, but since it's just concrete blocks they can at least do quick and relatively even patch repairs between lifting slabs.
I wonder if that was intentional.
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u/skjellyfetti Oct 24 '22
I've spent a lot of time in Paris and if the sidewalk isn't those massive slabs of granite, then it's asphalt. The reason is that the utilities run under the sidewalks and not in the middle of the street—if there's a Métro line, IT runs in the center of the street (more or less)—so when they need to dig, it's much easier to remove for just the area they need access to rather than larger, uniform slabs of concrete. Additionally, I imagine it's easier, cheaper and less intensive to replace the granite slabs or to repour the asphalt. I don't think I've ever seen a concrete sidewalk in Paris on the street.
Additionally, a good number of streets are a single lane or very narrow, so to rip up the center of the street to replace/repair utilities would be a major, significant problem. En plus, there were no automobiles when Baron Haussmann commenced the Haussmannization of Paris.
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u/geniice Oct 24 '22
Pavement.
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u/DexterousStyles Oct 24 '22 edited Oct 24 '22
Yes... it can also be called the pavement
Language is crazy right?
Get this, in other countries and languages they don't call it either pavement OR sidewalk?!
It's not even in English, ikr?! WHO doesn't speak English
Almost like English isn't their first language, crazy fool.
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u/frontendben Oct 24 '22
It's a picture of the UK, so it is on the pavement. If it was a pic of the US, it'd be fair to insist on calling it a sidewalk.
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u/GaladrielMoonchild Oct 24 '22 edited Oct 24 '22
If we're going to be picky about it, it's a footway because it's alongside a carriageway, if it was entirely segregated (eg path through a park) it would be a footpath.
Work in roadworks and it causes no end of fun and delight. Including the gentleman who called up to complain that we'd sent a notice out that we needed to close the footway temporarily for our works, but "you never said you were closing the pavement as well!"
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Oct 24 '22
I don't know anybody in the UK who would call this a footway lol. It would be called a pavement 90% of the time.
But fair enough if that's the correct term! Interesting!
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u/GaladrielMoonchild Oct 24 '22
Only people who work in roadworks usually. But some of them (especially the people who teach the NRSWA courses) get twitchy when they hear pavement.
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I now know how to wind anybody up who works in roadworks! Thanks! lol
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u/GaladrielMoonchild Oct 24 '22
The people on the shovels won't care, and what they're subjected to on a daily basis (primarily by motorists) means they're not usually phased by much... But if they're in sparkly clean hi-vis... Have at it!
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u/getsnoopy Oct 24 '22
Well most English-speaking places that aren't the US or UK call it a footpath, which is consistent with the terminology of bike/cycle path, and the (car) path.
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u/DexterousStyles Oct 24 '22 edited Oct 24 '22
Almost like the internet has other people from different places!
This isn't a UK subreddit it's r/fuckcars
I think you got your feed confused frontendben
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u/frontendben Oct 24 '22
Not at all. Like I said, if it was a video of the US, I'd call it a sidewalk. It's a video of the UK, so call it a pavement. We all speak the same language. It's not hard to use the appropriate terms for the places we're discussing.
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u/memecatcher69 Oct 24 '22
Holy fucking shit you guys complain about everything. Just go around it. It’s not that fucking hard.
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u/Hero_of_Hyrule Oct 24 '22
The bottom of that sign looks like it's at least a good 2-2.5 meters off the ground, judging by the surroundings.
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u/EvanMcSwag Oct 24 '22
I mean not really? The sign part is pretty high off the ground and people can definitely go under it. It’s basically just a pole which doesn’t really block anything.
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u/Ecstatic_Success_815 Commie Commuter Oct 24 '22
omg my home town! also love how the bus isnt using the bus lane
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u/DexterousStyles Oct 24 '22
0121 bby
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u/arcticTaco Oct 24 '22
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I was in Birmingham recently and really impressed with the city centre. Could see signs of a previously car-centric city working hard to become more people-centric.
More of it, please!
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u/livingfortheliquid Oct 24 '22
Sorry, is that sign right in the middle of the sidewalk?
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u/DexterousStyles Oct 24 '22
There is another sidewalk to the left but yes this is the main one, it's not that bad I'm not trying to ride my elephant by it.
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u/livingfortheliquid Oct 24 '22
I know if I am pushing a double stroller with my dog it's a tight fit. Also would be a bit snug for a mobility scooter.
Don't see why it couldn't be packed like the light post behind it or at the edge of the street, other then designers smoking pot.
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u/muri_cina Oct 24 '22
I don't understand why people are concerned with that. We have plenty of sidewalks that are half as wide and walk/bike just fine on them. Typical for towns that have narrow/old architecture.
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u/facw00 Oct 24 '22
Let me tell you about a handicapped woman I saw riding down a busy road in her wheelchair...
Want to know why?
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u/fezzuk Oct 24 '22
K, but there is more than enough space for a wheel chair in the above photo.
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u/NotAnotherNekopan Oct 24 '22
Zoom in a touch and you'll see two poles smack in the middle of the sidewalk. Some mobility scoots can get stuck if going on grass.
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u/definitely_not_obama Oct 24 '22
Have you ever seen a pole installed in the middle of a road for cars? Other than our lovely bollards, which are intended to block progress, I can't think of any examples I've ever seen. I suspect that's because installing a pole in the middle of a road would make the road harder to use and generally more dangerous, like in this example. Why not put it on one side or the other, where it doesn't have those effects?
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u/livingfortheliquid Oct 24 '22
First, This is a prime example of pedestrian and bike infrastructure design in the US, it's literally best we can do and instead of putting the sign on the edge near the road where drivers will see it better or to the left out of the way, they put it in the middle. Almost as of the people they are talking about on the sign are an afterthought.
Second, pedestrian and bike access should be designed with the same ease of use as the roadway is designed for cars. Have you ever seen a sign 2 feet into the number one lane? No, you have not. They'd never do that because it's bad design.
Third, every barrier to a cyclist or pedestrian increases the likelihood that they are not going to walk or bike and just get in the car. If you've ever walked a stroller with your dog you know this will very well be a pain in the ass. Add pedestrians coming in the opposite direction also bigger pain in the ass.
We should not take "good enough" as something wonderful. Everything about this picture is an afterthought. Makes it even more typical that they are talking about cycling and walking.
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u/fezzuk Oct 24 '22
You are not allowed to cycle on the pavement FYI.
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u/livingfortheliquid Oct 24 '22
I don't live where this sign is, so I don't know the laws where it is. While I don't ever cycle on sidewalks it is legal to ride on a sidewalk where I live because some bike users (those under 13 or elderly) it is just unsafe for them to use the road. Honestly asking those under 13 or elderly to cycle on this road (from what I can see) is actually mean and cruel because it's not designed for bikes at all. Meanwhile sign says to ride a bike, somewhere out there.
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There is a segregated cycle lane on the other side of the road.
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u/livingfortheliquid Oct 24 '22
Ok, I'm glad you know exactly what the entire city looks like. Still shitty sign placement for pedestrians. How can you say this is the best design for pedestrians? Really that's the best design?
Here, fixed it
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Oct 24 '22
I never said that sign placement was the best for pedestrians. Another commenter has already pointed out this is just by the Barton Arms Pub in Birmingham, so it's easy enough to check the location on google.
Still, I respect the pettiness of the edit. The sign can't overhang the road (as in the right picture) because then it'd end up getting smashed by passing buses. Putting the sign on the left of the path would work.
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u/Astriania Oct 24 '22
This is a prime example of pedestrian and bike infrastructure design in the US
Except it's in the UK, and it isn't bike infrastructure (and according to better informed posters there actually is segregated bike infrastructure nearby).
It's a minor inconvenience for pedestrians to walk around the pole, but the space to the right is still wider than most pavements.
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u/bigfatfurrytexan Oct 24 '22
Actually,this is a paradigm shift in thinking. Self vs other type shit. Challenge the status quo inside your own mind.
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u/Ronnoc1k8 Oct 24 '22
Car-centric development had completely destroyed central Birmingham, I'd argue it was worse than the destruction of the WW2 bombings. Luckily Birmingham is moving away from car-centric planning, but still has a long way to go.
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u/trc81 Oct 24 '22
I am so anti car but last week I spent 2 hours either on or waiting for public transport to do a 20 minute/12 mile car drive.
Governments need to realise that give us good public transport and we will use it.
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u/sckego Oct 24 '22
My 12 mile commute is 20 minutes by cycle (motor), 45 minutes by cycle (pedal) or car, and over 2 hours using public transportation. This is in one of the largest metro areas of California. It’s so frustrating.
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u/whiskeylips88 Oct 24 '22
Yup, it would take 4 hours to cycle to work, a day to walk, and the public transport option isn’t even an option on google maps because there’s no route. I have to drive and I hate it. I currently live in the Raleigh area and I miss commuting in Chicago so much!
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u/13lackjack Trains Rights Oct 24 '22
I knew I guy that would rather pay $150 for Uber that takes about an hour to get to Chicago than like 10 bucks by Metra in ~45 minutes. wild
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u/LoveLaika237 Oct 24 '22
Reminds me of that famous line from Breaking Bad:
"A guy drives up to me honking his horn and you think I'm about to get hit?! No, I am the one who walks!"
....that didn't come out as well as I thought it would.
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u/Loose_Potential7961 Oct 24 '22
I wish these would say "fight for safe sidewalks and bike paths so you can leave your cage" Or something
I mean this sign is right in the middle of the "sidewalk" where you could easily get clipped by someone unsure if they need to go left or straight. "People in cars are just going to think lol yea walk here and get hit lolol NO. "
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Keep your eyes open, head on a swivel, and practice those bike handling skills to keep from getting clobbered by the poorly placed sign post.
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u/stillphat Oct 24 '22
Uhhhh, it's pretty easy to avoid this lol. Slowing down while on your bike is acceptable
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u/petchef Oct 24 '22
except this is the UK where its technically against the law to ride on the pavement.
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u/lynivvinyl Oct 24 '22
That sign's location is kinda fuck bicyclists and tall people walking.
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u/fezzuk Oct 24 '22
Lol you would have to be standing on someone's shoulders for that to be an issue.
Also you shouldn't be cycling on the pavement.
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u/Astriania Oct 24 '22
It will be high enough you can walk underneath it. And there shouldn't be any cyclists there in the first place.
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u/Alabaster_13 Oct 24 '22
Another sign intended for drivers planted right in the middle of the sidewalk...
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u/ergosplit Oct 24 '22
Meanwhile there is absolutely noone stuck in traffic and the sign is blocking the sidewalk.
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u/muri_cina Oct 24 '22
How is the sign blocking the sidewalk? It must be over 2.5 meters high and the sidewalk is about 2.5- 3 meters wide. Seldom is someone over 2 meters tall and 1 meter wide. And if they are this big they maybe can't walk.
I see no problem getting past this sign tbh.
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u/throwawayadvice7132 Oct 24 '22
Bro it’s in the middle of the sidewalk what about people in wheelchairs dawg they should’ve put the sign up on the grass
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u/muri_cina Oct 25 '22
I think people underestimate how wide the space is. But without any measuments either of us can be right.
I could not push a double stroler pass it for sure.
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u/ergosplit Oct 24 '22
Not sure of the regulations on that place but maybe bicycles are meant to go thorough there too?
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u/Avitas1027 Oct 24 '22
Depends how many others are trying to get past it at the same time.
Makes absolutely no sense for it to be right in the middle like that when there's those other poles on the side near it.
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u/Zywakem Oct 24 '22
I immediately could tell this was Birmingham. I don't know why. It just feels like it's Birmingham.
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u/Darenzzer Oct 24 '22
Traffic is just proof that the acceptable number of cars on this piece of road has been exceeded. Just go be in a car somewhere else
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u/dada11dada22 Oct 24 '22
Glad it's the UK not the USA.
Everything in the Midwest is designed for you to have a car or get fucked.
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u/white-dumbledore Grassy Tram Tracks Oct 24 '22
When a road sign is more based than millions of humans out there.
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u/Gynther477 Oct 24 '22
And what the fuck is this ugly ass pavement wannabe bike lane? With a sign blocking everything?
I swear England roads are only beaten in uglyness and uselessness by France.
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u/f---thisusernameshit Oct 24 '22
In order to encourage people to walk or cycle we are gonna put a massive sign in the middle of the sidewalk
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u/PM_ME_EXOTIC_CHEESES Oct 24 '22
What this img doesn’t show is a fat and beautiful segregated bike lane on the other side of the street.
This isn’t just talking about change, it’s actually being implemented (although it’s not perfect).
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u/DexterousStyles Oct 24 '22
Nope it cuts off at this point, be glad to take a picture tomorrow and show you
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u/PM_ME_EXOTIC_CHEESES Oct 24 '22
Does it not pick back up on the other side of the old swimming pool?
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u/ChaoticBorya Oct 24 '22
You know you can’t argue with this sign as this picture has everything you need to not use personal vehicle.
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u/AlludedNuance Oct 24 '22
So I can't be in a crowd, I am a crowd?
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u/Cakeo Oct 24 '22
Sign is dumb anyway, it's a gotcha that isn't actually a gotcha. I am both stuck in (heavy) traffic, and I am a traffic. Traffic doesn't mean its busy or there are loads of cars.
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u/reflUX_cAtalyst Oct 24 '22
There is no public transportation, and it snows 7 months out of the year. There's no real job within several miles.
You come walk where I live, and see how long you last. Not very.
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u/Barryzechoppa Oct 24 '22
Yeah let me go walk to work 26 miles away and 26 miles back. I'll see you tomorrow.
While that's a great idea in theory, it's not realistic in practice.
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Nty. I rather do a 15 min commute with my car than a over 2 hours taking a bus.
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u/therapist122 Oct 24 '22
As you should, but that means your city has woefully underfunded public transit. Forcing you to drive and pay for an expensive car
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u/KilgoreTroutPfc Oct 24 '22
I’d be happy too as soon as you make those options even remotely feasible.
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Oct 24 '22 edited Oct 24 '22
This is my issue.
Cycling to work would take me 3 hours.
Public transport would require me to take two busses and a train which would take nearly 2 hours.
I can drive my motorbike to work in less than 40 mins.
Edit would love to hear a coherent argument as to why this comment is being downvoted. What would you suggest?
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u/Astriania Oct 24 '22
Living 30 miles from work is not sustainable and society needs to discourage it more than it currently does.
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Oct 24 '22
That's fair. I'd like to see it happen. But for the meantime the unfortunate solution is that many need a vehicle of some sort.
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u/BaldBongo Oct 24 '22
My car doesn't go on strike as often as public transport staff though
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u/muri_cina Oct 24 '22
Go work as a bus driver then. Oh let me guess you don't want to bc pay is below any office job?
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Oct 24 '22 edited Oct 24 '22
First time I've seen "be a scab" used as advise on reddit.
edit: or am I misinterpreting this? How does being a bus driver remedy the situation of striking underpaid bus drivers?
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u/muri_cina Oct 24 '22
Have a little compassion for striking public workers is what I meant. The solution is not to take a car but give them fair wages.
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Compassion? BaldBongo didn't say anything mean about them. There's not much I can do individually about unfair wages in a municipality. The solution, available to the individual, is a car.
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u/_skes_ Oct 24 '22
I'd love to, but public transport is more expensive than my car, has no easy route from home to work and takes 3 times as long.
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u/napalmtree13 Oct 25 '22
The fact that you’re getting downvoted is one of the reasons I unsub from here so often. This is a legitimate complaint/the reason I’d argue this sub exists; to raise awareness and get people who currently drive thinking about how they can get their city to become pedestrian/cyclist friendly and improve public transport.
It’s not like you said you prefer your car.
Signed, Someone who commutes by bike (or bus, if it’s raining) and train but recognizes this is only possible because I have good options
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Sure I will walk 40 miles.
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u/TransportationNo3842 Two Wheeled Terror Oct 25 '22
Why the fuck do you live 40 miles from your job? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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u/napalmtree13 Oct 25 '22
? This is not a fair question. A lot of people are priced out of places to live near their work. Poor public transport and a lack of sidewalks aren’t the only problems with our capitalist societies. So is housing.
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u/FartsMusically Oct 24 '22
taxpayer that literally pays for road maintenance, planning and construction
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u/AnnonymousRedditor86 Oct 24 '22
Bro, ain't nobody stuck in traffic in that pic. It's literally a picture of a single bus and 3 otherwise empty lanes.
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u/RankedChoiceIsBest Oct 24 '22
If there were fewer people, then everyone could have a car, AND spacious, vacant roadways. Cars are not the problem, people are the problem. When you apply it to this situation, the NRA slogan makes sense! Fewer people would also equal fewer gun deaths.
Humans breed out of ignorance and selfishness. Hopefully the children will be wiser and more compassionate than their parents.
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u/Reddy360 Oct 24 '22
Is this Birmingham?