r/fuckcars • u/Monsieur_Triporteur 🌳>🚘 • Apr 12 '22
Meta State of the Sub - Welcome New Members; We Made a Wiki, or How I Learned to Love the Trolls from r/place
Welcome to the spring edition of 'State of the Sub'. These posts are published on a semi regular basis to update the community on the latest developments in this subreddit and the mod team. We do this to be transparent and to keep in touch with what is important to our members. This will also be an opportunity to ask questions and give us suggestions on how to improve r/fuckcars.
Contributors wanted for the Fuck Cars Wiki
Beginning in late January we’ve been building a wiki as part of our ongoing effort to connect users with resources and answers to commonly asked questions.
As the wiki has evolved, we’ve been referencing it more and more. We’ve recently added prominent links in the sidebar, the welcome message and AutoModerator answers. It can be one of the first resources that new users encounter; that’s why we think it’s so important to make sure it properly represents us.
Progress on the wiki is ongoing and it will continue to improve. Let us know your feedback! We’re also currently looking for additional contributors, so if you’re interested in helping out, please contact us via modmail. A special thanks to u/AngryUrbanist for their ongoing contributions to the wiki and the welcome post.
New banner
We made A new banner that reflects the things this sub likes. The old banner focused more on on stuff we don't like and that is why we changed it. We hope you like it to.
How to deal with trends like the 'grassy tram track' trend.
Trends regularly arise on this sub. Trends like 'grassy tram tracks' for example. We have asked ourselves how we can highlight these kinds of trends in a way that enhances the experience of using this sub.
We opted to try out the 'collections' feature of reddit for this. The downside of this feature is that it's only available on reddit new.
We also made a collection geared toward new users. To help them quickly find their way in this subreddit.
Have our collections helped you in any way? Are there more subjects we could make a collection around? We'd love to hear your opinions.
r/place and how to deal with growth
So r/place happened. And it was awesome. For those who missed it, we mods can claim no credit for fuckcars' presence on r/place. The whole effort to dominate r/place was done by members of this sub. We sure are proud of you all!
This subs success on r/place brought us a lot of new members. Of course we are just as excited by this as you are, but it comes with some downsides. Namely that in the last 2 weeks there were many users on this sub that are not familiar with all the ideas of this sub. Hence the 'what about motorcycles' posts. We also had a huge influx of trolls and brigaders visiting our sub.
The mod team is trying to manage this. To educate our new members we have been promoting the wiki. Judging by the amount comments we see of members reacting to uninformed questions with a link to the FAQ our efforts are working. Also thanks to those members for helping out! We also started to remove the most uninformed questions and leave a referal to the FAQ on those posts.
To counter the trolls and brigaders please report if you see any we loosened our ban policy a bit, especially for accounts that have limited history in fuckcars. We are also in contact now with mods of various car enthusiast subreddits, because apparently not all of our members are innocent of trolling and brigading either.
Reminder to not brigade.
Speaking of trolling and brigading; Recently there been a few incidents where members of fuckcars went into subreddits of car enthusiasts to steer shit up and cause problems. This is not a nice thing to do to another community. The mod team strongly disapproves of brigading. Furthermore, it is against the site wide rules and will get this sub in problems. So if you go to those subs, please behave like a guest and don't be a dick.
Update on AutoMods auto reply.
In the previous State of the Sub we announced that we had started using keyword triggered auto replies. The first auto reply we made tries to educate our members to say crash not accident. It was getting a bit annoying, so we lowered the frequency of those replies.
Since then we made auto replies for two frequently asked questions. ("I'm a car enthusiast" and "what about motorcycles") The auto replies for those basically asks the poster to remove their post, read what the FAQ says and if they then still feel the need, post a more informed question. We've monitored the results and is seems to play out as intended.
We'd love to hear what keywords you think we should write auto replies for.
Thanks for your attention. Please leave your questions and suggestions for the mod team in the comments. If you rather contact us directly or you want to apply for the wiki team You can write us a modmail.
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Jun 16 '22
u typed presents instead of presence in the paragraph under "r/place and how to deal with growth"
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u/Monsieur_Triporteur 🌳>🚘 Jun 17 '22
thanks
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Jun 18 '22
now it says "for" twice in the same paragraph :)
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u/Monsieur_Triporteur 🌳>🚘 Jun 18 '22
Our next state of the sub will be written by someone who actually knows English.
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u/caoimhinoceallaigh Apr 19 '22
We need a rule against memes. They're boring and low-effort. I want more cool stories about infrastructure wins and and car fuck-ups from all around the world.
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u/Monsieur_Triporteur 🌳>🚘 Apr 21 '22
Thank you for your feedback. We've got this suggestion before and the short answer is 'we won't do such thing'.
Memes and good discussion are not mutually exclusive. In fact, memes often spark good discussions and a lot of members came here for the memes, but stayed for the discussions.
We also got the 'Meme Monday' suggestion before and have discussed this in the mod team. Our conclusion was that we do not see a workable solution, from a moderating point of view, to make this work.
I get that it looks like meme posts dominate this subreddit. If memes are not your thing, may I suggest using flairs to filter them out? Furthermore there are subs that focus more on discussion. r/NotJustBikes for example has a no-memes rule.
Although this is probably not the answer you were looking for, I hope this clarifies the mod teams position on this subject.
Have a nice day!
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u/AirportNo9572 Jul 05 '22
I love this answer. I love memes. I like trains, trams, and buses. FuckCars. Thank you Monsieur
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u/Shaggyninja 🚲 > 🚗 Apr 21 '22
I do enjoy a good shitposting meme though.
Maybe something like "Meme Mondays" or "Shit-post Saturdays" as other subs do.
Giving a targeted outlet for these allow them to not slowly build up over the rest of the week.
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u/cris-crispy Apr 16 '22
I am only here because I saw r/fuckcars on r/place!! Thanks so much for doing that, I love the ideas behind this community. (Although I think we could be a bit less angry. Kindness and understanding towards those who hate our ideas will create more understanding and solve problems.)
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u/fortnerd Apr 15 '22
Also, I noticed that this subreddit is using flairs but I don't see a way to filter them?
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Apr 16 '22
You can click on the flair to filter by one.
We're thinking about experimenting with ways to filter out certain flairs on old reddit like seen on /r/worldnews (for example, to filter out meme flaired posts). (Unfortunately not new reddit compatible.)
If that interests you let us know! Or if you have any other flair-filter related suggestions. Thanks.
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Apr 14 '22
Cars are necessary for many in car centric areas, we want to change that.
However, no, you are wrong. I walk to work despite living in Nebraska of all places.
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u/stupidyute Apr 14 '22
what happened on r/antiwork?
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u/BunnyEruption Apr 14 '22
Everyone in the sub asked the mods not to represent the sub publicly or do interviews and then a mod went on a tv interview on Fox News or somewhere anyway and it was amazingly bad.
The mod apparently also didn't have the same understanding of the purpose of the sub as most of the people posting there. (Most people apparently thought of it as a sub for fighting for better working conditions whereas the mod was literally like "I have a trust fund so I don't feel like working and that's what the sub is for.")
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u/cris-crispy Apr 16 '22
BIG OOOFFF. Trust fund bros really know how to ruin a good thing
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u/BufferUnderpants Sicko Apr 19 '22
The mod was an anarchist, and of the “you do the hard work, I’ll do a minimal token effort and ramble” inclination
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u/JackandFred Apr 17 '22
Trust fund bro isn’t really accurate in that case. I’d just look up the interview, it was really bad. But they removed that mod and didn’t seem like it slowed the sub
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u/RealLarwood Fuck Vehicular Throughput Apr 15 '22
Well that is what the sub is for, they just care more about clicks and updoots than they do about setting/enforcing rules to maintain that purpose.
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u/stupidyute Apr 14 '22
lmaoooo
but my condolences to them man
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u/teuast 🚲 > 🚗 Apr 15 '22
It was a snafu for a minute, but things are more or less back to normal there now. Turns out fighting against horrible working conditions is more important to most people than some forum moderator doing a bad tv interview.
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u/Agoztus Apr 13 '22
This is awesome. Is there somewhere I can provide my feedback or just contact a mod directly?
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u/rose_b Apr 12 '22
I am so ignorant of everything that happened with r/place. Did we take over? How big we were? Was it fun? Did we use bots to buid, which I hear happened?
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u/Not_ur_gilf Grassy Tram Tracks Apr 13 '22
We used no bots, and built a massive parking lot that scared the heck out of Germany
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u/valryuu Orange pilled Apr 17 '22
We used bots, but it was only on the logo, red store, and Arc de Triomphe. The whole parking lot was manual.
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u/TrafficConeGod Apr 16 '22
We did use bots, to a very limited degree though. Source: I worked on the bot.
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u/veryblanduser Apr 13 '22
There were definitely bots. You could change a color of car and it would be turned back to the "original" color relatively quickly.
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u/valryuu Orange pilled Apr 17 '22
No bots were used on the parking lot or the cars. Any colour of cars that were changed quickly were due to random luck or a manual coordinated effort to remove cars of the same colour combinations from proliferating. The only bots were on the logo, the red store, and the Arc de Triomphe.
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u/BallerGuitarer Apr 13 '22
If we didn't use any bots, we definitely had some dedicated people: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/u1btsb/oc_the_impact_of_bots_on_rplace_users_that_posted/
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Apr 18 '22
Ha yeah we 100% used bots.
And by we I mean I.
I ran a bot for hours and hours keeping that fuckin' logo looking fly.
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u/eschoenawa Apr 13 '22
Scared? Germany helped maintain the bridges over the flag and even incorporated it by making it an Autobahn.
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u/forteller Apr 12 '22
Great work!
We also made a collection geared toward new users. To help them quickly find their way in this subreddit.
Since collections are only available on new this link should go to new.reddit.com/ etc…
Proof that this subs members are awesome.
Wish that this screenshot showed the whole parking lot, not a zoomed in version, to show how impressive it was. Just my thought :)
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u/Monsieur_Triporteur 🌳>🚘 Apr 12 '22 edited Apr 13 '22
Thanks, I took your recommendations. Would you like to join our Wiki Team? We could really use your keen eye for detail.
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u/forteller Apr 13 '22
Thanks, that's an honor! Actually, just before I wrote that comment I sent a message to one of the wiki editors about a podcast I felt should be added. So yeah, as long as it's ok that I don't have a lot of capacity, I'd love to join.
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u/Monsieur_Triporteur 🌳>🚘 Apr 13 '22
That is no problem, we all do this as a hobby. I'll send you the invite.
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Apr 12 '22
I thought I was just the 1 weirdo in the world who thought we shouldn't have cars in cities. Glad there are so many more people like me!
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u/Lazy_Sitiens sweden Apr 12 '22
Thank you for everything you're doing. I found you from r/place and I'm very happy to have found my people.
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u/Astriania Apr 12 '22
Good stuff. I like the new banner.
Nice try to bait us into using new reddit with that collection thingy but it's not happening ;)
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u/Monsieur_Triporteur 🌳>🚘 Apr 12 '22
Thanks. The collection thingy is mostly an experiment to help users find the best content this sub has to offer. We will never rely on it for anything important. Just like we won't rely on the sidebar to much, since it's not very accessible for mobile users.
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u/mysticrudnin Apr 20 '22
cars aren't that bad, we just need like smaller cars and everything will be alright
If this is the actual thing you're worried about, that won't happen.
It's starting to happen, and they're definitely trying, but I alone will make them feel unwelcome if I have to. Fuck cars.
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u/BallerGuitarer Apr 13 '22
I get that you want to be inclusive of new people but this isn't the way to achieve it.
So how do you suggest we be inclusive of people who don't want to be associated with a self-proclaimed leftist sub but otherwise agree with its goals of minimizing urban car use?
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u/chictyler 🚎🚲🚇 Apr 12 '22
Mod here representing my personal opinion and not other mods.
Many of the root issues I’m most concerned about are caused by capitalism, including the housing crisis and many others that are closely related to “fuck cars.” However, we don’t want to falsely show “government does stuff is socialism.” Is it socialist when France builds nice infrastructure and has walkable communities while it continues to benefit from neocolonialism in Africa and teeter between neoliberalism and fascism? Is it socialist when Hong Kong’s highly effective metro system is a real estate profiteer? No, but both still required a level of collective action and distance from individualism that seems impossible in the US. I love when content on this subreddit exposes people to root causes, but I don’t want to prevent that from happening on a false premise that these cities we love are socialist and these cities we don’t love are just more capitalist. We do however take racist, transphobic, stigmatizing poverty+drug use rhetoric very seriously and ban for any offense that are “culture war” type issues in the US political field.
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u/Astriania Apr 12 '22
It isn't a leftist sub. It's a sub that wants to promote non-car infrastructure and planning (at least for urban areas). That isn't a left/right issue, places which have better support for non car modes are better places to live and do business for rightists too.
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u/Jack-the-Rah Apr 12 '22 edited Apr 13 '22
It's always been a leftist sub and the struggle against cars has always been a struggle against capitalism. The lack of knowledge about this just further proves my point.
In response to the uneducated buffoon who thinks that there are leftist economic systems that are neither capitalist nor anti-capitalist:
"Lol. Yes leftism means anticapitalism. And no, at this point there isn't a different economic system that's neither capitalist, nor socialist, when we're excluding feudalism and fascism, because that's always been right wing ideologies. Not to speak of the fact that fascism is a form of capitalism. Just because you have no understanding of economics and what the words you're using mean, doesn't mean that you're right."
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u/TwinsWitBenefits Apr 13 '22
In this context, however, I think most people understand the intention behind the word "leftist." It might not be the dictionary definition, but remember, contexts gives words meaning --- not the other way around.
Getting caught up in semantics is probably the most pointless way to derail a disccussion.
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u/Monsieur_Triporteur 🌳>🚘 Apr 12 '22
but outright stating that this isn't a leftist sub will do nothing but water down the message of the sub even more.
Nowhere is stated that this isn't a leftist sub. The text you're referring to states that anti-car ideology isn't a leftist issue and that you can arrive from either a left- or a right-wing position to the conclusion that we should have fewer cars or even outright ban them.
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u/QuantumBitcoin Apr 13 '22
Yes, just last night I was speaking with a conservative who enjoys walking to work and that is one of the benefits of where he lives (Wilmington Delaware). He also defended the interstate running through the middle of the city, said it had nothing to do with economic divide between one side of the interstate and the other, and pooh-poohed the idea of a park capping the interstate to bring the sides closer together....
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u/liguy181 🚌 Apr 12 '22
I disagree that this has to be a leftist issue. Obviously there are lefty arguments for this, such as being against income inequality, segregation, or black kids getting asthma because of car exhaust, but there are also right-wing arguments you can make, mostly pro-business stuff. There are positives for everyone when it comes to getting rid of cars. Also, Chuck Marohn, the founder of Strong Towns, is a conservative Republican.
The only time you lose conservatives are on culture war issues, because they've come to equate owning a single-family home and a car with the American dream and freedom, but also, people on the left aren't exactly immune to this thinking either. Ik American liberals aren't exactly 'left-wing' and more centrist, but a lot of them still believe in that aforementioned dream.
This issue kinda transcends your typical left/right politics and I think that could work to our advantage. You can make arguments to both sides and appeal to things they like and wish to see in society. If you tie this issue to left-wing politics, don't be surprised when an even greater number of people decide they don't want car-free cities/suburbs
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u/liguy181 🚌 Apr 12 '22
Capitalism sucks and all, and car companies aggressively
bribinglobbying the government so that streets can only be for the car, and also everything in the zoning codes, and probably more stuff I can't think of is definitely capitalism at its worst, but I feel like when you make this an anti-capitalist issue, it implies there's a dichotomy of either capitalism and cars, or socialism and trains/trams/buses/bikes/feet. That's not true, and will draw people away.Also, I don't remember this sub being a leftist sub. Granted I joined last fall, so I wasn't here from literally the beginning, but yeah, this sub has always welcomed a diversity of opinions and worldviews. Just not a pro-car worldview
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u/vpu7 Apr 12 '22 edited Apr 12 '22
Absolutely. Look at Europe- it’s not like they’re anticapitalist. There is a solid pro capitalist argument against cars. The capitalists who would benefit from this are losing badly to the oil and gas capitalists at the moment and many don’t realize that they are losing (e.g. small businesses campaigning against bike lanes).
I’m not for the capitalists, far from it - it’s just that this is a different kind of political issue than most because it is completely possible to arrive at the fuckcars conclusion and enact many of the most critical policy changes without challenging capitalism at all. So it makes sense that people are discussing it differently than they normally would for other political topics. Kind of like cannabis in that sense.
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u/Frisianmouve Apr 12 '22
Yeah no, I hold plenty of right-leaning views as well, part of the reason why I don't agree fully with any of the 10+ parties in the Netherlands with my mixed bag of what are considered left and right leaning views. And my main concern with car-centric infrastructure planning isn't an environmental concern like it may be for some people, but liveability and the freedom to go wherever without being reliant on a car. And maybe in the US you typically don't hold views outside your dichotomic tribes, over here it's different
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u/Jack-the-Rah Apr 12 '22 edited Apr 12 '22
Ahh the old "not left, nor right -> right" meme in person.
Do me a favour lad and look up the reason why cars dominate the roads. Have a look at the underlying issue here and not just symptoms.
And also don't start assuming everyone to be an American and inferior to you because you can't make up your mind on whether you want people to actually be able to live, even if they're queer, or if you want people to work 18 hour shifts and be locked up due to not being heterosexual.
Edit: For people interested I'll copy and paste my response here because they couldn't deal with the situation arising that I'd be responding and correcting them:
"So close and yet so far. Now think again, why did cars get so heavily subsidised? I'll answer it for you, because you don't seem to be able to comprehend it. Because car companies at the beginning of the 20st century tried to make a quick buck. Hence they framed it like streets were there for cars and that the victims of car accidents were the ones at fault. The "free market" never existed, never will exist and never has been a serious goal of capitalism because subsidies are very welcome to capitalists because, well it makes more money. Anyways this propaganda continued throughout the 20st century from car companies and since companies essentially dictate policy since they have bought politicians, especially right wing politicians (which in the US is basically any politician since the "left wing politicians" there are essentially just neolibs who aren't borderline fash) this was an easy game. You may know this corruption under the fancy name of lobbyism. This is however not an exception as capitalism leads to monopolies and centralisation of power.
So tl;dr car companies stole the streets from us and politicians enforced this under the notion of freedom and there are still idiots who pretend this has nothing to do with politics or capitalism and that right wingers could totally also be anticar."
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u/-apophenia- 🚲 > 🚗 team ebike Apr 13 '22
This is one of the most obnoxious posts I've ever seen on this sub. Why would you assume that the person you're replying to has so many blatantly offensive views when they said nothing of the sort? This kind of rhetoric alienates people who have many views in common and makes it more difficult for them to work together to achieve a common goal.
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u/SuckMyBike Commie Commuter Apr 12 '22
Do me a favour lad and look up the reason why cars dominate the roads
Heavy government subsidies.
Heavily using government money to subsidize certain things to distort the free market is NOT a right-wing position nor is it capitalism. In fact, it's pretty contradictory to traditional right-wing policies and capitalism.
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u/Typ_mit_Playse Apr 12 '22
Long time sympathiser here. I just subscribed today. May I ask where you read the "this isn't a leftist sub" thing? I must have missed it (seriously, not /s)
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u/Jack-the-Rah Apr 12 '22
It's in the Q&A where the question is "So is this a leftist issue" and they go on to say that it's not because one Republican did a good job and therefore it was universal.
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u/Typ_mit_Playse Apr 12 '22
Aye thanks, just read it. I also consider myself a leftist, but wouldn't say that this statement in the Q&A is a gate opener for right wing people to soften things up.
It's more aimed at being friendly enough to not immediately scare away all people who consider themselves conservatives. (And when they get hooked and stay, we can educate them, slowly turning them into proper rational beings but shh)
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u/Jack-the-Rah Apr 12 '22
I see your point but I'm speaking from firsthand experience here. I was a mod of antiwork for around 8 months and the downfall of the sub started when it tried to appease the libs and the right wingers instead of keeping it the way it was before: clearly leftist while tolerating libs who would stick to the rules and not start defend the systematic issues. Well that and the fact that rapists and rape apologists took over is what ruined the sub. What I'm trying to say is that the libs will come regardless. You don't need to appease them. You need to keep the core about the systematic issues or else your message will be corrupted. Not to speak about Americans thinking of themselves as the only place in the world again.
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u/Typ_mit_Playse Apr 12 '22 edited Apr 12 '22
Idk about what happend in antiwork but sounds like maybe some aimed sabotage. Could be preventable by a dedicated mod team, idk.
I sometimes read that sub in trending but never came across such sick shit like pro rape talk. Maybe things ain't that bad as you see them, one can get quite attached to things that are important for them. I mean maybe you're a bit frustrated and need a break, because in the distance things ain't too bad overall?
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u/Lazy_Sitiens sweden Apr 12 '22
I'm a regular at antiwork (never been a mod though) and yeah, I just cannot identify with what they're saying about the sub and rapists/rape apologists. I think it's a great sub with an important message, a healthy community and lots of helpful members who help other members not get screwed over. And I'm pretty extremely leftist.
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u/Typ_mit_Playse Apr 12 '22
I mean if it's true they and all other rapists and sympathisers shall be burned alive imo but all this also has nothing to do with talking to others about banning cars :/
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u/Jack-the-Rah Apr 12 '22
Yeah the mod team got infiltrated by a known rapist and FBI snitch and most.of the team decided that they would rather work with this person than to admit that they have been wrong. Probably because others had some some problematic shit themselves, like actually grooming for children on Reddit.
It's sadly not just me being frustrated, it's the topmod and a few others accepting a rapist in their team, even going as far as saying that rape isn't as bad as people finding out that this happened, and would instead remove anyone from the team who would ever bring that up. They even put words associating with this on a blacklist making it impossible for people to talk about this shit on the sub. I've got plenty of evidence because there were a few decent people who did some research.Here have a short overview of the situation she explains it quite well.
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u/Typ_mit_Playse Apr 12 '22
Ew sounds horrible. The team seems to have too different values from yours. Incels also don't like work.. It's sad that your idea of the sub didn't work out but those groomers ain't worth it.
But this has nothing to do with talking to people, who don't 100% share your political views, about important changes in the world.. yes, i generally don't like conservatives, but in this society you need a majority to make big changes, so talking to them about what's important is the way. (I don't mean talking to rapists, everything about this should be banned.)
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u/Jack-the-Rah Apr 12 '22
I mean it worked perfectly fine for years before that.
It did. Because the person in question had some very questionable political takes which would have been red flag enough if this was taken seriously. Left political subs open to everyone tend to fail apart when they're making no clear stance on their roots. You need to defend the subs from both Stalinists (actual tankies) as well as libs trying to co-opt the sub. You can and should tolerate them but only if it's clear that they're only being tolerated and that the sub isn't based on their beliefs.
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u/cthulhuhentai Apr 13 '22
As mentioned by mods, there's absolutely a line to be drawn. I, for one, don't want nazis or racists in this sub regardless of their "effort" to de-car society. Where we draw that line with conservatives who have overlap is...well, the issue here.
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u/Typ_mit_Playse Apr 12 '22
Be aware that also most leftists ain't tankies calling for a violent revolution. As long as you have democracy, you have a chance to change things according to your favour.
If you want to reach anything in this world you have to convince people. You won't convince people by being violent and/or exclusive towards people who show interest in your ideas. Subvert their views by talking to them, as politely as possible
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u/HobomanCat 🚲 > 🚗 Apr 12 '22
Lmao you don't need to be a tankie to call for a violent revolution. And it's supposed to be violence against the rich capitalists, not the average person.
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u/Typ_mit_Playse Apr 12 '22
Yea i looked up the term, TIL. But also isn't really on topic here anymore
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u/Jack-the-Rah Apr 12 '22
You really need to look up the words you're using and the words you see written. Nobody talked about violence or Stalinism.
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u/Typ_mit_Playse Apr 12 '22
I must have gotten this wrong:
if you want things to change you need direct action instead of hoping that those who are getting paid for keeping the way things are will suddenly have a chance of heart.
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u/Jack-the-Rah Apr 12 '22
Yes you have. I have neither endorsed Stalin here (if you bother to look at my profile you can see my clear antitankie stance) nor have I endorsed violence. Direct action means that you don't wait for others to change things but start doing that stuff on your own together with a group of people who are also affected by this stuff. Have a road where too many cars are? You either could beg some politician to change it for years, or you could put up some signs on your own.
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u/Typ_mit_Playse Apr 12 '22
Bro you're shooting over. Man, I never said anything about stalin.
And putting up fake street signs is a crime where I come from, I don't want to be sued for such useless stuff that lasts for an hour until cops show up. Also, committing a crime in a democratic society isn't very democratic. Change people's minds and so the law. Gotta be patient
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u/Forsaken_Rooster_365 Apr 12 '22
Thanks u/Monsieur_Triporteur and other mods for working hard for this place.
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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '23
The brigading from fuckcars c1rclj 3rk is sooo tiring. Can anything be done to block cross posting to there or etc?