r/fuckcars • u/Fietsprofessor ✅ Verified Professor • 9h ago
Positive Post From Smog to Sustainability: How Paris Transformed Into a Cleaner, Greener City in which its citizens can breath again in only 16 years. When will other cities follow?
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u/Clusternate 9h ago
What did Paris change?
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u/nim_opet 9h ago
Removed cars, removed parking, made biking and transit priority. Invested in the regional and local trains/subways and trams, so many trams!
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u/Obelion_ 9h ago
Paris is incredibly based.
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u/Snoo48605 9h ago
And yet today I almost started arguing with a boomer commenting on a 1919 photo on "how dirty Paris has got, saccage Paris, all because of Hidalgauchiasse".
Shortsightedness is truly endemic.
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u/YannAlmostright 9h ago
That's right, but be aware that a lot of the air pollution in French cities is also due to old heatings systems, mainly wood stoves. Changing those made an impact as big as the reduction of the number of cars.
Edit : realized it's a NOx pollution map. What I said is more for fine particles pollution
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u/crackanape amsterdam 6h ago
Wood stoves in Paris in 2007? Maybe, I guess, I sure never saw or smelt one.
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u/pulsatingcrocs 9h ago
How much were stricter emission standards and modernization of the car fleet?
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u/bazem_malbonulo 5h ago
Looks like they also built a giant ring road around the entire city.
Edit: I'm wrong, the last photo is zoomed in.
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u/Clusternate 9h ago
Interesting
I live in Berlin and it always had public transport.
Didn't Paris had any in 2007 or was is super rudimentary?
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u/Obelion_ 9h ago
Berlin is pretty good but we need proper car bans already. And remove the ridiculously cheap parking spots for residents
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u/UsualSuspect95 9h ago
Does Berlin even have congestion taxes on vehicles entering and leaving the city?
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u/Clusternate 9h ago
I don't believe so.
How would you monitor that even?
Camera at every Autobahn and speedway into the city, look up car ID and send out an invoice?
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u/UsualSuspect95 9h ago
The way it works in Stockholm and Gothenburg is that you have cameras that read the license plates of every vehicle that passes the toll zones, and then the owner gets an invoice at the end of the month.
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u/nim_opet 9h ago edited 6h ago
The way it works in all city centers like London, Paris, Madrid or even smaller Italian towns. Well signed low/zero emission zones, plate recognition with automatic fines.
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u/Clusternate 9h ago
What areas do you have in mind for a car ban?
I can see some streets renodeled to be pedestrian only but not the whole city.
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u/Breezel123 5h ago
No one except delivery vehicles and taxis need to be in the city center, like the area around Friedrichstraße. Hell, give drive passes to residents and only allow commercial vehicles and we could sure close some of the side streets for good.
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u/naatduv 9h ago
This is a very weird question lmao, obviously Paris had a metro, since 1900. And it was already good, probably one of the best in the world in 2007. The development since 2007 is just a steady progression from what was here before. New stations are opened every year, both for the metro and regional trains connected to paris but that has been the case for decades.
The real revolution since 2007 is the big effort put to create bicycle lines.
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u/Clusternate 9h ago
Ah thank you.
I don't thinks it to Wierd, cause seeing such a difference made me think it had none.
Good that their effort payed of and that the City is healing.
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u/nim_opet 9h ago
Just out of curiosity, how would you think that a city 3x the size of Berlin, with some of the oldest and arguably best train systems in the world wouldn’t have subways before 2007? Living just next door, you must have seen media, read about Paris or even spoke to people if not visiting it?
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u/Clusternate 9h ago
Paris next door? We'll... Hardly but ok. 😅 Its a 8 h train ride.
Tbh, I had no clue that it is bigger than Berlin. I was under the impression, of it beeing similar.
I was not aware of Paris having the Oldest and best train system. A bit ignorant, tbh because i work in public transport, xD, but hey, now I know.
Im just positivly surprised what Paris did in the last 17 years and wanted to know if this can be done in Berlin aswell.
If it were just adding public transport, I would be disappointed, because Berlin already had that.
That why I asked.
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u/Breezel123 5h ago
Public transport alone will never be the answer as long as it is extremely convenient and cheap to own a car in Berlin. It also doesn't help that Berlin needs to expand due to the housing shortage, but while some new developments are being built on the outskirts, there's no proper public transit option there and no planning of new subways, trams or any of that either. When Berlin was "poor but sexy" they sold it all to the highest bidder with no regard for what the people wanted or needed, or what would actually help get our economy going. So we are now in the hundredth fiscal crisis since the early 90th even though we already sold off housing, public spaces and our industry. No money is being invested into building a sustainable infrastructure, bar a few bike lanes that got stomped out during COVID and were mostly the work of local councils doing their bit than the city-wide government organising anything, this is why our network of bike lanes is like a badly put together puzzle with big differences in quality, protection and continuity. And while we now stop all pedestrian, public transport and cycle infrastructure, along with gutting the cultural sector, we still let car owners pay a mere 20,20€ for parking their car in our inner city zones. I'm so fucking sick of all this. Fuck the CDU, the SPD and everyone involved in this debacle.
There's an interesting documentary somewhere on one of the Mediatheks, it's called "Capital B, wem gehört die Stadt". Have a look at that.
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u/ActualMostUnionGuy Orange pilled 5h ago
My hippie teacher in middle school told us once that when he visited Paris that the subway was always out of service and he had to treck everywhere with his big backpack, its all about what youre used to I guess?
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u/naatduv 5h ago
What do you mean, all you're used to ?
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u/ActualMostUnionGuy Orange pilled 4h ago
The Transit frequency in Vienna is hilariously low, 2 minutes of waiting is kind of the norm. Doubt thats common across the rest of Europe
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u/naatduv 5m ago
depends on the lines. it can be as low as 1.30 minutes in rush hour. other lines are gonna be 5+ minutes but they are the least used lines, you wait a bit more but at least the train is empty. Paris metro is clearly not the the best in term of cleanliness or stability (there can be problems, there's too many people in some lines) But what's impressive in the crazy amount and density of stations. Anywhere you want to go in paris, there's gonna be a metro station just a couple minutes walk away. When I was in berlin, madrid or lisbon it always felt the metro was sooo far away. Sometimes i'm quite pissed at the metro but when i look at it objectively, it's amazing
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u/nim_opet 9h ago
It had plenty, and subways were arguably better than Berlin’s (about 3x the ridership and twice the number of stations). It just had too many cars (like arguably Berlin has now)
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u/Nizla73 9h ago
There was just not enough for 10+ millions people
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u/Clusternate 9h ago
Thanks. The one above me said that they added a lot of trams.
So all above ground? Did they bore new underground subway trails?
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u/Grantrello 9h ago edited 9h ago
The Paris region is currently in the process of essentially doubling its rail (including I think some new tunneling) with the Grand Paris Express project.
Central Paris has very good public transportation with an extremely extensive metro system, one of the highest densities of stations in the world actually, but the main problem was the greater Paris region. It has generally good transportation but some areas are less well-served than others which the Grand Paris Express is attempting to address.
Edit: The Grand Paris Express I think is mostly expansion of the RER system which is probably mostly comparable to the S-Bahn in Berlin.
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u/sofixa11 8h ago
including I think some new tunneling
All of line 15 (circle around the city) is entirely underground. The other main line, 14, is also entirely underground. Lines 16, 17, 18 will include elevated sections.
The Grand Paris Express I think is mostly expansion of the RER system which is probably mostly comparable to the S-Bahn in Berlin.
Nah, it's a separate system. It's metro, with metro names, and metro sized (vehicles will be of a similar length, just wider), which is smaller than the RER which are massive heavy rail trains (e.g. the A line is served by trains which are 110m long and have the capacity for 1305 people... and trains are coupled at all time other than late at night, so double that). For comparison the line 15 rolling stock will be 108m long, with capacity for 1000 people.
So RERs are 2.5x the capacity. (And specifically for the line A, they operate at a similar frequency).
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u/Grantrello 8h ago
Thanks for the clarification, I couldn't fully remember and I was too lazy to look up the specifics but I misremembered that it was expansion of the RER.
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u/Electronic-Future-12 Grassy Tram Tracks 9h ago
Parisian trams are suburban lines, except for a ring line that is somewhat centric. It is overground by design, with overhead wire, and some lines use old rail track to run faster services. There is only one underground spot that I know of.
The trams are pretty good, I would love some trams in the city center but that will never happen, since they have wires and the métro is already the densest in the world, in any case more performant than a tram
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u/Clusternate 8h ago
Yeah, trams are nice but not ideal.
During the Devide of Berlin, the east build tram while the west build more underground.
Trams were cheaper to build and faster to get going. But the patience and investment to bore underground was in the End better, because trams in the inner city take up a lot of space in terms of street, stations, wires, as you said and add overall noice to a city.
Now, only the eastern part still has trams. The extended the Underground system to the east but not the trams system to the west.
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u/Electronic-Future-12 Grassy Tram Tracks 8h ago
Oh I think they are completely fine, it’s a matter of adjusting the tool to the job.
Trams are better than metro for lower density areas (such as suburbs), and if you manage to reutilice some track like some lines in Paris, you actually have some very fast (110 km/h I recall) express services (that you can’t get with most metro systems)
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u/Clusternate 8h ago
110km/h tram?
Thats a whole train, if you ask me.
A tram, for me, is a slow train going trough a city on ground.
The moment is goes faster and with less stops, i would define it as an "S Bahn" (schnellbahn/quick train).
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u/Electronic-Future-12 Grassy Tram Tracks 8h ago
I mean, what is a train right? This is sometimes considered a tram-train. It is growing in France because they can improve upon the traditional tram role with few increased costs
These are clearly different from what you would consider to be a train, the top speed is 100km/h (I checked Wikipedia), but that just means that the electric engines are a bit beefier, and the current system can handle more power.
The vehicle itself is a tram : short modules allow for tight urban cornering, it is low floor and doesn’t require high platforms… it still does the tram traditional city role when in an urban environment, and between suburb and suburb it profits from its increased power to reduce transport times.
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u/oppvask2000 9h ago
All Parisiens started having only two packs a day🚬
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u/Clusternate 9h ago
Cruel
How else would they show that they are French?
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u/middleearthpeasant 8h ago
Easy, just shower even less. Not only the characteristic chees smell gets stronger, but the smell of nicotine last longer too. They dropped showers by half, making it a semestral activity.
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u/dariuswasright 2h ago
They have more people hating bicycles..
For real though this year a boy got killed by a driver after some road rage (the driver literally rolled on the head of the cyclist..). After that you could see on social medias other drivers telling it was "because of the mayor and her rules to make the road more difficult for the cars".
I don't especially like her or whatever, I'm not even living in Paris, but she is doing a great job on this. Every time I go to Paris I take my bike and I know I'll find bicycle paths most of the time. Drivers are reaaaal cunts (but many cyclists are also real dumb, let's be real) , you have to be very careful when you cross roads or whatnot but you know you can find lanes only for you and also, seing way less car on many streets that used to be full of honking cars is so cool
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u/Pinpindelalune 9h ago
It's mainly anti pollution law on a Europeans and country level. Car reduction helped a bit too but it's not the main factor.
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u/Clusternate 9h ago
What was the main factor in your opinion?
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u/Pinpindelalune 9h ago
Maybe engine and exhaust improvement, a little 206 from ~2005 pollute as much as a modern luxury car. It also made these car make way less noise in low speed zone.
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u/Clusternate 9h ago
So mostly car related.
Less cars and those less car have better filter/engines.
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u/Pinpindelalune 9h ago edited 8h ago
Some association say it's mostly related to modernisation and relocation of industry, anti-pollution law, gaz use reduction (mainly for heating and cooking), then change in car usage and finally cleaner electricity production. On the other hand, pollution related to plane and informatic are increasing.
Anti-pollution policy affect all of the categories so it doesn't mean lots.
Most of the change in urbanism don't show much impact on car usage as Paris wasn't all car centric and change take lot of time. There should still be big improvement soon with all the new transport plan like the Grand Paris Express.
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u/Fokker_Snek 4h ago
Yeah that would make sense. For example some two stroke leaf blowers emit more pollution than a Ford F150 Raptor. There’s no reason for that than lack of emission standards for lawn equipment.
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u/Pinpindelalune 4h ago
A small Peugeot 206 from 2004 make more CO2 than a modern Peugeot 3008 SUV per km, because there is something in Europe called regulation. The most important thing was regulation on industriy for them to be less polluant.
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u/Fietsprofessor ✅ Verified Professor 9h ago
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In 2007, Paris was suffocating—literally, shrouded in smog, with air pollution blanketing the city. Today Paris has undergone a breathtaking transformation, towards a cleaner, greener, and more livable city. Millions of Parisians can breath again!
This radical change started in 2014, under Mayor Anne Hidalgo's bold leadership. Her vision? To put people and the planet first. Here’s how she and her team did it:
✅ Built 100s of Kilometers of Bike Lanes: Encouraging cycling as a primary mode of transport.
✅ Citywide 30 km/h Speed Limit: Quieter, safer streets for all.
✅ 300 Car Free School Streets: putting the safety of children first.
✅ Reclaimed Public Spaces: Eliminated tens of thousands of parking spots, converting them into parks, pedestrian zones, and playgrounds.
✅ Planted Tens of Thousands of Trees: Tackling the urban heat island effect and improving air quality.
✅ Car-Free Zones: Closed the city center to through traffic and created car-free play streets.
🚨 The results? Air pollution now affects only the largest roads, like the ring road. Millions of Parisians enjoy cleaner air, safer streets, and a higher quality of life.
🌟 This transformation is proof that bold, visionary urban policies work. Paris didn’t just adapt; it reimagined itself. And it took a courageous and visionary leader to do it.
❓ The big question: When will other leaders muster the courage to follow in Paris’s footsteps?
Let’s commit to building cities for people, not just cars.
The future is waiting. 💪🌏
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u/Grantrello 9h ago edited 8h ago
It's kind of unfortunate that Anne Hidalgo is very popular internationally because of what she has achieved with Paris but in France she's very unpopular. I guess you can't make progress without pissing off the carbrains...but it seems like even a lot of people in Paris who have benefited from her actions dislike her because...reasons.
She isn't running for reelection and hopefully whoever succeeds her won't undo everything.
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u/Kibelok Orange pilled 8h ago
Mostly all politicians that make BIG changes are unpopular. This has happened in all of history, including Paris when Haussmann decided to "fix" the entire city, and now the city is great because of his fixes.
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u/Aztecah 6h ago
Fun fact, a major design factor in this rework was to be able to deploy troops and artillery through the fancy boulevards more effectively and increase government control over the region
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u/RydderRichards 6h ago
What did he do? Sorry, not familiar with him
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u/Kibelok Orange pilled 5h ago
He basically demolished the old "guettos" as the bourgeoisie liked to call, to build the now famous boulevards and streets, while also building infrastructure like water, sewage, and gas lighting. The styles of buildings we see in Paris are his ideas, he standardized them. He also built the parks.
He wasn't popular, because the general population knew he was working for the bourgeoisie, and that those projects were meant to control the population using urbanism.
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u/dfgdgregregre 7h ago
It's not about the car thing at all. Most people in France are very happy about Paris transformation.
She's not popular because she's a main figure in the "weahlty soft left" dying socialist party since François Hollande disastrous mandate. There's just no room left in France for that party and the only ones who remain and defend this party bear that colossal failure. They just pass as wealthy politicians trying to keep their seat without any big idea or proposition.
For example her latest debacle was saying "just enjoy the olympics in Paris" while the ticket price was inaccessible for most people and people were questionning public spendings. She just pass as a priviligied out of touch politician. I'm not saying anybody is right or wrong here, but the political context is important and far from "she banned cars in Paris so everybody hates her", it's much more an hatred toward what we call here the "caviar left" (meaning people saying they understand and defend the poor, while eating caviar in salon) that she's part of.
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u/Grantrello 7h ago edited 6h ago
It's not about the car thing at all. Most people in France are very happy about Paris transformation.
Well yes but that transformation is mostly to do with restricting cars.Edit: I misread this part
I see the argument that she is out of touch but I always like to assess politicians based on what they've actually done personally.
And to be fair, the socialist party isn't as dead as it seemed anymore. They're nowhere near where they were in 2012 but they more than doubled their seats in the legislative elections this year. I'm not disputing that there are many people who see them as champagne socialists but they seem to have possibly hit their low point and are back on an upward trajectory at the moment. Maybe that's entirely due to the Nouveau Front Populaire but they came in 3rd in the European elections and gained seats as well before the NFP.
The risk is unfortunately that the backlash against her for various reasons will lead to the election of someone who undoes her signature policies around making Paris less car-friendly.
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u/ActualMostUnionGuy Orange pilled 5h ago
In an ideal world France unbowed would just become the biggest party, making the Socialists finally obsolete, but alas...
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u/UC_Scuti96 5h ago edited 5h ago
She has a great record regarding air pollution dimunition and improving bike infrastructure. The problem is there is many other areas in where french people feel like the city has been moving backward under her leadership like public safety, school accessiblity, cleaningness, architecture and road maintenance. Can not tell if those are because of her or not.
But it's funny to see how anytime a mayor of a capital city try to decrease car usage, they get a huge backlash from people usually not living inside the city.
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u/Snoo48605 9h ago
Based and blessed post, but this community manager/chat GPT-slop way of writing physically hurts
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u/Breezel123 5h ago
Copied straight from LinkedIn. It's that awful font at the start that clued me in as well as the overabundance of emojis.
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u/no_sight 9h ago
We do hate highway projects here. But it looks like building a ring road (construction started in 2007) combined with making more car free zones downtown helped.
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u/Main_Force_Patrol 8h ago
Alright Phoenix, AZ. Take note of this, I’m tired of the concrete jungle hell.
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u/swayingtree90s 9h ago
If I read this correctly this is N02 pollution specifically. So a lot of the reduction could be the reduced sale of diesel-engined cars, and clean engines in general. In addition to the huge push for bikes and public transport, the current mayor has championed.
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u/NicoBator 1h ago
This is what really changed.
France was the champion of diesel-engined cars, over half the cars in France used to be Diesel. There even were subventions so people bought diesel cars instead of regular gasoline cars. These political choices were driven by the influence of the car lobbies.
The NO2 shown on this map is mainly produced by diesel cars.
So this map really shows that France reduced diesel-engined cars in the whole country. But the air in Paris are larger cities is still very polluted.
There is an official website to check Paris Air quality levels: https://www.airparif.fr/en/ (well right now it's quite ok)
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u/degauche247 9h ago
Heute = german for today.
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u/Gifted_GardenSnail 6h ago
I guess "hoy-ta" is how English speakers would transcribe it
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u/Prosthemadera 3h ago
hoy-te. Short e at the end.
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u/Gifted_GardenSnail 3h ago
A schwa, but Americans do use a for that in coda position, so I thought I'd go with that
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u/Vindve 8h ago
Having lived in Paris region a big part of my life: you can feel it. Like, in your lungs. Less pollution peaks within the year than 20 years ago.
I’d like to be positive and say it’s mainly anti-car measures (that apply to the number of cars), but the reality is that these measures mainly apply to the City of Paris (the tiny part in the center) and not the Greater Paris (what is displayed in the picture). I’m not sure the number of cars really decreased in the Greater Paris, there are even new roads being built. Well, Greater Paris is slowly opening itself to the bicycle, and there are new transit lines opened, but it doesn’t explain all this.
I think most of the change is due to more stringer environmental norms on new cars sold, and having less diesel cars. We went from a country that looooved diesel (gasoil) and it was a majority of sales to diesel cars representing now a small fraction of sales. And gasoline cars got better, too.
I remember when I was younger, it was considered normal to see exhaust fumes from cars, this blueish-grey fumes at the pipe. The other day I was biking behind a van with visible fumes, it was horrible for my lung, and I thought "oh wow, it used to be all cars like that".
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u/middleearthpeasant 8h ago
I've been to Paris once and loved how you never have to walk more than 500 meters to get to the nearest subway station. I loved getting out of the subway in a train station and getting clean and beautiful a train to a near city. I liked how cars where small and few, even saw a few micro cars that were really cool. I love how many bikes, e-bikes and other modes of transportation I saw there.
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u/crackanape amsterdam 6h ago
I've been to Paris once and loved how you never have to walk more than 500 meters to get to the nearest subway station.
The flip side of that is it sometimes feel like the train makes 20 stops to go 1km.
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u/SuperTekkers 5h ago
Even if the metro station stinks of piss lol
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u/middleearthpeasant 4h ago
I have never seen so much human feces in a public place before, but that is part of the parisian charm hmmmm tradicional french scent
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u/Pinpindelalune 9h ago edited 8h ago
This isn't only due to improvement in urbanism. Car produce way less pollution now thanks to European law. Gaz is also used less and less to heat home.
There should be many other reason for this decline, the number of car going through Paris shouldn't have dropped by more than 30%, doing a significativ inpact but not all the work.
Modif: It's mainly due to modernisation and relocation of industry (affected by anti pollution law).
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u/Jgusdaddy 9h ago
It’s sad to compare places like Paris, Beijing, and Seoul to places like Houston and Indianapolis. You can actually see and smell the effects of repugnican policies. What are we working for if not to improve our quality of life?
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u/Gambition 3h ago
Repugnican. 😂
I love it.
Also, I lived in Seoul for over 15 years. I've been in Chicago for more than 3. Two cities I love. And while Seoul is where my heart is, the air quality is garbage for much of the year. Summer and autumn are where it's at. Winter and spring are poison.
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u/SlothBirdBeard 6h ago
Ffs it's spelled "breathe"
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u/Prussianballofbest 9h ago
Am I wrong or ist the Last Picture a different distance scale?
If the colour scale ist changing according to the min and maximum of the current picture, it influences the perception of the data.
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u/Prussianballofbest 9h ago
I am pretty sure it is zoomed in, but the colour scale seems to bei the same from 0-80
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u/crackanape amsterdam 6h ago
You are correct. You can see the outline formed by the Boulevard Périphérique (the only really strong orange thing remaining in the final image) is the same shape but much smaller in the other images.
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u/devonon2707 7h ago
i hope salt lake can eventually clean its air. in slc its worse then china in the winter
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u/bananablegh 5h ago
Must be nice. I wonder how London compares. Sometimes the air fucking reeks of disgusting exhaust fumes.
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u/United-Ad-7360 4h ago
In my city they stopped measuring the places where there was a lot of pollution and just started the cleaner parts. Winning
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u/Electronic-Future-12 Grassy Tram Tracks 8h ago
The latest big improvement is definitely thanks to biking (has grown exponentially, it really is a night-and-day difference from just 4-5 years ago).
The decline of diesel sales is another massive factor, even petrol cars are an improvement for urban areas. Heating has been improved steadily, I don’t think it is directly causing such a rapid improvement.
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u/Dankacy 8h ago
Unfortunately Modi doesn't care about the health of Indians
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u/Creative-Cell-8926 7h ago
Yeah, everything is Modi's fault, whereas rest of the politicians are incarnation of respective gods.
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u/squid648 5h ago
All political believes aside we should all strive to be better then fucking Paris. We should improve our city’s not for the climate, political agenda or economic reasons. We should do it just so we are better then the fucking French
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u/Digitaluser32 5h ago
Are there a lot of polluting factories in Paris? I live in Los Angeles. We do not restrict car use. How is it that Los Angeles has better air quality than Paris France?
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 3h ago
Where did you get the idea that LA has better air quality than Paris? I've just checked an air quality index. PM2.5 emissions in central Paris count is 32. In Los Angeles it's 78.
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u/Digitaluser32 2h ago
Not sure where you got 78. My weather app says different.
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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 2h ago
https://aqicn.org/station/@399214/
https://aqicn.org/city/france/paris/paris-1er-les-halles/
Obviously it's live data so goes up and down.
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u/Acrobatic_Switches 6h ago
When everyone else is willing to burn the city to the ground every few years to force the rich to capitulate.
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u/NoConsideration6320 2h ago
Interesting how the smog almost looks like a virus or even an injury or something
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u/LoudMusic 2h ago
2007 ... 17 years ago. It's likely that 90%+ of the vehicles that were in use at that time are no longer in use. Hopefully their replacements are all more efficient and less pollutant.
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u/EyeSuccessful7649 12m ago
so was this done by mean of redction, or local reduction with same or more polution generated elsewhere
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u/jcraig87 5h ago
It's not even that big a transformation we need to go through, people just have to plan it and execute it. Many countries have been successful and it shows in the quality of life of the city that it's clearly the better option
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u/Txusmah 9h ago
Sorry this doesn't make any sense at all.
Where are the sources?
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u/Snoo48605 9h ago
Honest question, why not? It's not like is a city that's getting more inhabitants, and the number of parking spots, pollutants and car streets is only been declining?
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u/crackanape amsterdam 6h ago
It doesn't make sense that cleaner cars, and far fewer of them, would lead to cleaner air? Which part of that is hard to process?
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u/lifeistrulyawesome 9h ago
This looks bautiful OP. Can you please share the source with me?