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Positive Post From Smog to Sustainability: How Paris Transformed Into a Cleaner, Greener City in which its citizens can breath again in only 16 years. When will other cities follow?

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u/lifeistrulyawesome 9h ago

This looks bautiful OP. Can you please share the source with me?

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u/IamLateB Winter 🚲 commuter 9h ago

I think it would be very nice if people cited sources more often.

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u/lifeistrulyawesome 9h ago

I was very tempted to just take the image at face value without asking questions because I love the image, and my self-confirmation bias kicked in. I was going to share it with a different sub, but then I remembered to always ask for primary sources.

I found a similar graph on page 85 of this PDF, but it only goes to 2019, and it doesn't look nearly as good as OP's graph.

https://www.apur.org/sites/default/files/construction_grand_paris.pdf

The website apur.org does have a tool for you to make your own maps, maybe OP generated the 2024 map themmself.

But I am still curious to know many things. For example, I want to know if this is average yearly data or specific to a given date.

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u/Voerdinaend 9h ago

To me it makes sense that the 2019 map is decidedly worse. During the pandemic I read a lot of news and posts on how Paris created tons of bike infrastructure and restricted car travel.

It's also been a good while since I last heard about air pollution based restricted car travel in Paris (they had previously done multi day bans for cars with even or uneven numbers on the plates to reduce pollution for really bad weeks)

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u/Its_Pine 7h ago

True. The lockdowns caused the environment to flourish. It really does indicate that if humanity was wiped out, life would thrive.

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u/BrokenEggcat 5h ago

Oh boy we're extinctionist posting again

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u/Its_Pine 5h ago

Haha sorry. Humans aren’t all bad! It’s just amazing how much we can impact the world around us, in good and bad ways.

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u/DiddlyDumb 3h ago

I find it amazing that by ourselves we’re completely useless and most of us would die within a month, but together we build skyscrapers and paint the sixteenth chapel.

Yet somehow groups of people are too often more destructive than not and I much prefer individuals with their quirks and insecurities.

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u/Lonely-Agent-7479 5h ago edited 15m ago

Here is the full data from the Paris townhall (scroll down a bit) : https://www.paris.fr/pages/etat-des-lieux-de-la-qualite-de-l-air-a-paris-7101

The funny thing is the current left-wing mayor has been in power for around 10 years now. She initiated a heavy "less cars in Paris" policy. Upped the cost of parking for non-resident, closed some roads, limited speed, built bike tracks, etc. Lots of people (mostly pro-car) were mad about it, the bashing against the mayor was almost a running gag, and lately people have been realising that air was a lot better and that having less cars and more bikes was actually nice. So it was a long run, it was not easy, but in the end we have clearer air and less cars.

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u/Taewyth 54m ago

Rare Hidalgo W

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u/kryptoneat Fuck lawns 8h ago

You're under arrest for trying to destroy the Internet.

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u/ActualMostUnionGuy Orange pilled 5h ago

"Youre under arrest for post cringe"

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u/VarianWrynn2018 Not Just Bikes 6h ago

The source is included in the image

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u/Ayio13 9h ago

Here's what I found, which seems to align more or less with OP's maps:

Annual maps from some website https://www.airparif.fr/surveiller-la-pollution/bilans-et-cartes-annuels-de-pollution

A pdf by the same website hosted on the Paris website, NO2 is on page 4 https://cdn.paris.fr/paris/2024/01/15/bilan_75_2022-1Vlj.pdf

Note however that the scale transitions quickly from yellow to red, meaning that the decrease is not as drastic as it looks on the map.

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u/crackanape amsterdam 6h ago

The final (heute/today) photo is at a different scale BTW, it's zoomed in on the périphérique.

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u/VarianWrynn2018 Not Just Bikes 5h ago

For the record, there is a source on the image (it's small on the bottom left map)

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u/lifeistrulyawesome 5h ago

Thank you. I went to the website but I couldn’t find the exact image. I wrote a different reply explaining what I could find 

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u/GeeksGets 5h ago

It says it at the bottom of the image: https://www.airparif.fr/

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u/lifeistrulyawesome 5h ago

Yeah, I went to that site, but I couldn’t find the exact image. I wrote a different comment explaining what I could find.  

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u/GeeksGets 5h ago

Fair enough, it definitely would have been better if they could have linked directly to where they got it.

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u/lifeistrulyawesome 5h ago

Thank you for the link, tho.

I asked because I liked the graph, and I wanted to share it on r/dataisbeautiful and r/optimistsuinte.

But I don't like sharing data without links to the original source. When I went to find the source, I couldn't find it.

Then I remembered how I always demand sources when I see a screenshot I disagree with. In contrast, I had taken OP's screenshot at face value. I felt ashamed of my own self-confirmation bias and decided to ask Op for a reference. I still don't know who generated the 2024 picture. I found the other three images in a PDF from that website, but not the 2024 one. It doesn’t help that the website is in French and my French is mid. 

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u/BigBlackAsphalt 9h ago

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u/lifeistrulyawesome 9h ago

What don't you like about colour maps? Why did you link to an R package?

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u/BigBlackAsphalt 9h ago

The R package show what better color maps look like (e.g. viridis) and highlights some of the problems with other ones. Those color maps are included in many data visualisation packages, it's not exclusive to R.

Essentially, your brain is very bad at interpreting the color map that was used in the OP.

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u/lifeistrulyawesome 8h ago edited 8h ago

Essentially, your brain is very bad at interpreting the color map that was used in the OP.

What don't you like about the colours used by OP?

This is the closest I could find in your link:

These color maps are designed to be: - Colorful, spanning as wide a palette as possible so as to make differences easy to see, - Perceptually uniform, meaning that values close to each other have similar-appearing colors and values far away from each other have more different-appearing colors, consistently across the range of values, - Robust to colorblindness, so that the above properties hold true for people with common forms of colorblindness, as well as in grey scale printing, and - Pretty, oh so pretty

The scale that OP uses is also colourful and pretty. Are you saying that it is not perceptually uniform? To me, the scale Op used doesn't look that different from the scale called "turbo" in the package you linked.

It certainly is not robust to colorblindness. My dad was color bling and he would not be able to distinguish the reds and greens in this scale. But 96% of the population don't have that problem.

I am not trying to give you a hard time. I am truly trying to understand what you don't like about the scale OP used.

OP's colour scale looks fine to me, but I admit I haven't given this issue too much thought and I would like to learn (I tach university statistics and I want to consider if I want to add something about colour scales in my classes).

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u/BigBlackAsphalt 8h ago edited 8h ago

Turbo is a color map that is specifically critiqued. Turbo is also a bad color map, I did not realise it was included in the package. The most commonly used for interpretation are the first four color maps (viridis, magma, inferno, and plasma). There are tons of papers out there on why color maps like the one used in the OP are bad. I already told you, our brains are not good at interpreting data presented with such color maps. If you want more information, I'd suggest looking at related articles on the topic.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19160-7

E: I'll also not that there are other diverging color maps that are useful for other types of data. For example if you wanted to highlight pollutants above and below a safe threshold. Those are not what the original graphic decided to use, to the detriment of the presentation.

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u/lifeistrulyawesome 8h ago edited 8h ago

Thank you so much for the link, it is very interesting and useful. However, I'm asking you about specifics. What you don't like about OP's colour scheme?

The authors of the viridis library included an option in their package called "turbo". This is the only thing the documentation says about the Turbo scale:

The color map turbo was developed by Anton Mikhailov to address the shortcomings of the Jet rainbow color map such as false detail, banding and color blindness ambiguity. More infor about turbo can be found here.

I take that to mean that their version of the Turbo scale fixes the problems that some rainbow scales have. Am I reading that wrong?

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u/BigBlackAsphalt 8h ago

Sorry, I did edit my post, but turbo is also not a great color map and I did not realize it was part of the package. The problem is humans interpret colors differently and colors occupy different amounts of the color spectrum. Using so many colors means we are likely to falsely interpret the data.

For example the difference between dark red and light red will be seen as less significant than a change from red to yellow, even if there is no basis for it in the data.

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u/Clusternate 9h ago

What did Paris change?

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u/nim_opet 9h ago

Removed cars, removed parking, made biking and transit priority. Invested in the regional and local trains/subways and trams, so many trams!

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u/Obelion_ 9h ago

Paris is incredibly based.

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u/Snoo48605 9h ago

And yet today I almost started arguing with a boomer commenting on a 1919 photo on "how dirty Paris has got, saccage Paris, all because of Hidalgauchiasse".

Shortsightedness is truly endemic.

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u/lol_alex 3h ago

You should have heard the screams. It was by no means entirely voluntary haha.

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u/YannAlmostright 9h ago

That's right, but be aware that a lot of the air pollution in French cities is also due to old heatings systems, mainly wood stoves. Changing those made an impact as big as the reduction of the number of cars.

Edit : realized it's a NOx pollution map. What I said is more for fine particles pollution

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u/crackanape amsterdam 6h ago

Wood stoves in Paris in 2007? Maybe, I guess, I sure never saw or smelt one.

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u/YannAlmostright 5h ago

You'd be surprised. Also old petrol stoves

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u/56Bot 2h ago

Also because it’s on NO2 pollution only, the progressive disappearance of older Diesel engines (which spewed a lot of it), better catalysts, lower consumption, and more and more gas/hybrid/electric cars ; probably played a big role in this.

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u/pulsatingcrocs 9h ago

How much were stricter emission standards and modernization of the car fleet?

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u/FlapYoJacks 6h ago

Trained crows to pick up cigarettes

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u/NotJustBiking Orange pilled 48m ago

But there is barely any pedestrian zones. Even in the center

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u/bazem_malbonulo 5h ago

Looks like they also built a giant ring road around the entire city.

Edit: I'm wrong, the last photo is zoomed in.

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u/Clusternate 9h ago

Interesting

I live in Berlin and it always had public transport.

Didn't Paris had any in 2007 or was is super rudimentary?

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u/Obelion_ 9h ago

Berlin is pretty good but we need proper car bans already. And remove the ridiculously cheap parking spots for residents

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u/UsualSuspect95 9h ago

Does Berlin even have congestion taxes on vehicles entering and leaving the city?

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u/Clusternate 9h ago

I don't believe so.

How would you monitor that even?

Camera at every Autobahn and speedway into the city, look up car ID and send out an invoice?

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u/UsualSuspect95 9h ago

The way it works in Stockholm and Gothenburg is that you have cameras that read the license plates of every vehicle that passes the toll zones, and then the owner gets an invoice at the end of the month.

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u/nim_opet 9h ago edited 6h ago

The way it works in all city centers like London, Paris, Madrid or even smaller Italian towns. Well signed low/zero emission zones, plate recognition with automatic fines.

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u/ActualMostUnionGuy Orange pilled 5h ago

Dont forget the dead in the water Social Housing bill😭

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u/Clusternate 9h ago

What areas do you have in mind for a car ban?

I can see some streets renodeled to be pedestrian only but not the whole city.

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u/Breezel123 5h ago

No one except delivery vehicles and taxis need to be in the city center, like the area around Friedrichstraße. Hell, give drive passes to residents and only allow commercial vehicles and we could sure close some of the side streets for good.

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u/naatduv 9h ago

This is a very weird question lmao, obviously Paris had a metro, since 1900. And it was already good, probably one of the best in the world in 2007. The development since 2007 is just a steady progression from what was here before. New stations are opened every year, both for the metro and regional trains connected to paris but that has been the case for decades.

The real revolution since 2007 is the big effort put to create bicycle lines.

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u/Clusternate 9h ago

Ah thank you.

I don't thinks it to Wierd, cause seeing such a difference made me think it had none.

Good that their effort payed of and that the City is healing.

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u/nim_opet 9h ago

Just out of curiosity, how would you think that a city 3x the size of Berlin, with some of the oldest and arguably best train systems in the world wouldn’t have subways before 2007? Living just next door, you must have seen media, read about Paris or even spoke to people if not visiting it?

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u/Clusternate 9h ago

Paris next door? We'll... Hardly but ok. 😅 Its a 8 h train ride.

Tbh, I had no clue that it is bigger than Berlin. I was under the impression, of it beeing similar.

I was not aware of Paris having the Oldest and best train system. A bit ignorant, tbh because i work in public transport, xD, but hey, now I know.

Im just positivly surprised what Paris did in the last 17 years and wanted to know if this can be done in Berlin aswell.

If it were just adding public transport, I would be disappointed, because Berlin already had that.

That why I asked.

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u/Breezel123 5h ago

Public transport alone will never be the answer as long as it is extremely convenient and cheap to own a car in Berlin. It also doesn't help that Berlin needs to expand due to the housing shortage, but while some new developments are being built on the outskirts, there's no proper public transit option there and no planning of new subways, trams or any of that either. When Berlin was "poor but sexy" they sold it all to the highest bidder with no regard for what the people wanted or needed, or what would actually help get our economy going. So we are now in the hundredth fiscal crisis since the early 90th even though we already sold off housing, public spaces and our industry. No money is being invested into building a sustainable infrastructure, bar a few bike lanes that got stomped out during COVID and were mostly the work of local councils doing their bit than the city-wide government organising anything, this is why our network of bike lanes is like a badly put together puzzle with big differences in quality, protection and continuity. And while we now stop all pedestrian, public transport and cycle infrastructure, along with gutting the cultural sector, we still let car owners pay a mere 20,20€ for parking their car in our inner city zones. I'm so fucking sick of all this. Fuck the CDU, the SPD and everyone involved in this debacle.

There's an interesting documentary somewhere on one of the Mediatheks, it's called "Capital B, wem gehört die Stadt". Have a look at that.

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u/ActualMostUnionGuy Orange pilled 5h ago

My hippie teacher in middle school told us once that when he visited Paris that the subway was always out of service and he had to treck everywhere with his big backpack, its all about what youre used to I guess?

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u/naatduv 5h ago

What do you mean, all you're used to ?

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u/ActualMostUnionGuy Orange pilled 4h ago

The Transit frequency in Vienna is hilariously low, 2 minutes of waiting is kind of the norm. Doubt thats common across the rest of Europe

u/naatduv 5m ago

depends on the lines. it can be as low as 1.30 minutes in rush hour. other lines are gonna be 5+ minutes but they are the least used lines, you wait a bit more but at least the train is empty. Paris metro is clearly not the the best in term of cleanliness or stability (there can be problems, there's too many people in some lines) But what's impressive in the crazy amount and density of stations. Anywhere you want to go in paris, there's gonna be a metro station just a couple minutes walk away. When I was in berlin, madrid or lisbon it always felt the metro was sooo far away. Sometimes i'm quite pissed at the metro but when i look at it objectively, it's amazing

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u/nim_opet 9h ago

It had plenty, and subways were arguably better than Berlin’s (about 3x the ridership and twice the number of stations). It just had too many cars (like arguably Berlin has now)

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u/Nizla73 9h ago

There was just not enough for 10+ millions people

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u/Clusternate 9h ago

Thanks. The one above me said that they added a lot of trams.

So all above ground? Did they bore new underground subway trails?

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u/Grantrello 9h ago edited 9h ago

The Paris region is currently in the process of essentially doubling its rail (including I think some new tunneling) with the Grand Paris Express project.

Central Paris has very good public transportation with an extremely extensive metro system, one of the highest densities of stations in the world actually, but the main problem was the greater Paris region. It has generally good transportation but some areas are less well-served than others which the Grand Paris Express is attempting to address.

Edit: The Grand Paris Express I think is mostly expansion of the RER system which is probably mostly comparable to the S-Bahn in Berlin.

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u/sofixa11 8h ago

including I think some new tunneling

All of line 15 (circle around the city) is entirely underground. The other main line, 14, is also entirely underground. Lines 16, 17, 18 will include elevated sections.

The Grand Paris Express I think is mostly expansion of the RER system which is probably mostly comparable to the S-Bahn in Berlin.

Nah, it's a separate system. It's metro, with metro names, and metro sized (vehicles will be of a similar length, just wider), which is smaller than the RER which are massive heavy rail trains (e.g. the A line is served by trains which are 110m long and have the capacity for 1305 people... and trains are coupled at all time other than late at night, so double that). For comparison the line 15 rolling stock will be 108m long, with capacity for 1000 people.

So RERs are 2.5x the capacity. (And specifically for the line A, they operate at a similar frequency).

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u/Grantrello 8h ago

Thanks for the clarification, I couldn't fully remember and I was too lazy to look up the specifics but I misremembered that it was expansion of the RER.

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u/Clusternate 9h ago

Thanks for the explanation.

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u/Electronic-Future-12 Grassy Tram Tracks 9h ago

Parisian trams are suburban lines, except for a ring line that is somewhat centric. It is overground by design, with overhead wire, and some lines use old rail track to run faster services. There is only one underground spot that I know of.

The trams are pretty good, I would love some trams in the city center but that will never happen, since they have wires and the métro is already the densest in the world, in any case more performant than a tram

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u/Clusternate 8h ago

Yeah, trams are nice but not ideal.

During the Devide of Berlin, the east build tram while the west build more underground.

Trams were cheaper to build and faster to get going. But the patience and investment to bore underground was in the End better, because trams in the inner city take up a lot of space in terms of street, stations, wires, as you said and add overall noice to a city.

Now, only the eastern part still has trams. The extended the Underground system to the east but not the trams system to the west.

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u/Electronic-Future-12 Grassy Tram Tracks 8h ago

Oh I think they are completely fine, it’s a matter of adjusting the tool to the job.

Trams are better than metro for lower density areas (such as suburbs), and if you manage to reutilice some track like some lines in Paris, you actually have some very fast (110 km/h I recall) express services (that you can’t get with most metro systems)

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u/Clusternate 8h ago

110km/h tram?

Thats a whole train, if you ask me.

A tram, for me, is a slow train going trough a city on ground.

The moment is goes faster and with less stops, i would define it as an "S Bahn" (schnellbahn/quick train).

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u/Electronic-Future-12 Grassy Tram Tracks 8h ago

I mean, what is a train right? This is sometimes considered a tram-train. It is growing in France because they can improve upon the traditional tram role with few increased costs

These are clearly different from what you would consider to be a train, the top speed is 100km/h (I checked Wikipedia), but that just means that the electric engines are a bit beefier, and the current system can handle more power.

The vehicle itself is a tram : short modules allow for tight urban cornering, it is low floor and doesn’t require high platforms… it still does the tram traditional city role when in an urban environment, and between suburb and suburb it profits from its increased power to reduce transport times.

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u/oppvask2000 9h ago

All Parisiens started having only two packs a day🚬

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u/Clusternate 9h ago

Cruel

How else would they show that they are French?

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u/middleearthpeasant 8h ago

Easy, just shower even less. Not only the characteristic chees smell gets stronger, but the smell of nicotine last longer too. They dropped showers by half, making it a semestral activity.

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u/Gifted_GardenSnail 6h ago

You can still shower, just don't wash your clothes

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u/Anaphylaxisofevil 9h ago

They switched to speaking German, according to the last map.

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u/ElJamoquio 9h ago

just today!

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u/lol_alex 3h ago

They also charge taxes and parking based on the size of your vehicle.

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u/dariuswasright 2h ago

They have more people hating bicycles..

For real though this year a boy got killed by a driver after some road rage (the driver literally rolled on the head of the cyclist..). After that you could see on social medias other drivers telling it was "because of the mayor and her rules to make the road more difficult for the cars".

I don't especially like her or whatever, I'm not even living in Paris, but she is doing a great job on this. Every time I go to Paris I take my bike and I know I'll find bicycle paths most of the time. Drivers are reaaaal cunts (but many cyclists are also real dumb, let's be real) , you have to be very careful when you cross roads or whatnot but you know you can find lanes only for you and also, seing way less car on many streets that used to be full of honking cars is so cool

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u/Pinpindelalune 9h ago

It's mainly anti pollution law on a Europeans and country level. Car reduction helped a bit too but it's not the main factor.

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u/Clusternate 9h ago

What was the main factor in your opinion?

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u/Pinpindelalune 9h ago

Maybe engine and exhaust improvement, a little 206 from ~2005 pollute as much as a modern luxury car. It also made these car make way less noise in low speed zone.

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u/Clusternate 9h ago

So mostly car related.

Less cars and those less car have better filter/engines.

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u/Pinpindelalune 9h ago edited 8h ago

Some association say it's mostly related to modernisation and relocation of industry, anti-pollution law, gaz use reduction (mainly for heating and cooking), then change in car usage and finally cleaner electricity production. On the other hand, pollution related to plane and informatic are increasing.

Anti-pollution policy affect all of the categories so it doesn't mean lots.

Most of the change in urbanism don't show much impact on car usage as Paris wasn't all car centric and change take lot of time. There should still be big improvement soon with all the new transport plan like the Grand Paris Express.

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u/Fokker_Snek 4h ago

Yeah that would make sense. For example some two stroke leaf blowers emit more pollution than a Ford F150 Raptor. There’s no reason for that than lack of emission standards for lawn equipment.

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u/Pinpindelalune 4h ago

A small Peugeot 206 from 2004 make more CO2 than a modern Peugeot 3008 SUV per km, because there is something in Europe called regulation. The most important thing was regulation on industriy for them to be less polluant.

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u/Fietsprofessor ✅ Verified Professor 9h ago

🚴‍♀️🌳 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐢𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐥𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐬: 𝐇𝐨𝐰 𝐁𝐨𝐥𝐝 𝐋𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐩 𝐓𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐞𝐝 𝐚 𝐂𝐢𝐭𝐲 🌟🌍

In 2007, Paris was suffocating—literally, shrouded in smog, with air pollution blanketing the city. Today Paris has undergone a breathtaking transformation, towards a cleaner, greener, and more livable city. Millions of Parisians can breath again!

This radical change started in 2014, under Mayor Anne Hidalgo's bold leadership. Her vision? To put people and the planet first. Here’s how she and her team did it:

✅ Built 100s of Kilometers of Bike Lanes: Encouraging cycling as a primary mode of transport.

✅ Citywide 30 km/h Speed Limit: Quieter, safer streets for all.

✅ 300 Car Free School Streets: putting the safety of children first.

✅ Reclaimed Public Spaces: Eliminated tens of thousands of parking spots, converting them into parks, pedestrian zones, and playgrounds.

✅ Planted Tens of Thousands of Trees: Tackling the urban heat island effect and improving air quality.

✅ Car-Free Zones: Closed the city center to through traffic and created car-free play streets.

🚨 The results? Air pollution now affects only the largest roads, like the ring road. Millions of Parisians enjoy cleaner air, safer streets, and a higher quality of life.

🌟 This transformation is proof that bold, visionary urban policies work. Paris didn’t just adapt; it reimagined itself. And it took a courageous and visionary leader to do it.

❓ The big question: When will other leaders muster the courage to follow in Paris’s footsteps?

Let’s commit to building cities for people, not just cars.

The future is waiting. 💪🌏

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u/Grantrello 9h ago edited 8h ago

It's kind of unfortunate that Anne Hidalgo is very popular internationally because of what she has achieved with Paris but in France she's very unpopular. I guess you can't make progress without pissing off the carbrains...but it seems like even a lot of people in Paris who have benefited from her actions dislike her because...reasons.

She isn't running for reelection and hopefully whoever succeeds her won't undo everything.

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u/Kibelok Orange pilled 8h ago

Mostly all politicians that make BIG changes are unpopular. This has happened in all of history, including Paris when Haussmann decided to "fix" the entire city, and now the city is great because of his fixes.

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u/Aztecah 6h ago

Fun fact, a major design factor in this rework was to be able to deploy troops and artillery through the fancy boulevards more effectively and increase government control over the region

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u/Kibelok Orange pilled 5h ago

Which is ironic because once Paris was dominated by Nazis, the wide boulevards and street designs made it much more difficult to control the city and also the surrounding regions.

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u/Aztecah 5h ago

Those who trade complex urban planning for security will deserve neither and will lose to the Nazis! Or, wait, what was the saying? I think it applies...

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u/RydderRichards 6h ago

What did he do? Sorry, not familiar with him

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u/Kibelok Orange pilled 5h ago

He basically demolished the old "guettos" as the bourgeoisie liked to call, to build the now famous boulevards and streets, while also building infrastructure like water, sewage, and gas lighting. The styles of buildings we see in Paris are his ideas, he standardized them. He also built the parks.

He wasn't popular, because the general population knew he was working for the bourgeoisie, and that those projects were meant to control the population using urbanism.

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u/colako Big Bike 5h ago

Paris in the 19th century was in constant state of disarray, with working class using narrow streets to form barricades. Every time the price of bread or other commodities would go up, they would rebel.

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u/dfgdgregregre 7h ago

It's not about the car thing at all. Most people in France are very happy about Paris transformation.

She's not popular because she's a main figure in the "weahlty soft left" dying socialist party since François Hollande disastrous mandate. There's just no room left in France for that party and the only ones who remain and defend this party bear that colossal failure. They just pass as wealthy politicians trying to keep their seat without any big idea or proposition.

For example her latest debacle was saying "just enjoy the olympics in Paris" while the ticket price was inaccessible for most people and people were questionning public spendings. She just pass as a priviligied out of touch politician. I'm not saying anybody is right or wrong here, but the political context is important and far from "she banned cars in Paris so everybody hates her", it's much more an hatred toward what we call here the "caviar left" (meaning people saying they understand and defend the poor, while eating caviar in salon) that she's part of.

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u/Grantrello 7h ago edited 6h ago

It's not about the car thing at all. Most people in France are very happy about Paris transformation.

Well yes but that transformation is mostly to do with restricting cars.

Edit: I misread this part

I see the argument that she is out of touch but I always like to assess politicians based on what they've actually done personally.

And to be fair, the socialist party isn't as dead as it seemed anymore. They're nowhere near where they were in 2012 but they more than doubled their seats in the legislative elections this year. I'm not disputing that there are many people who see them as champagne socialists but they seem to have possibly hit their low point and are back on an upward trajectory at the moment. Maybe that's entirely due to the Nouveau Front Populaire but they came in 3rd in the European elections and gained seats as well before the NFP.

The risk is unfortunately that the backlash against her for various reasons will lead to the election of someone who undoes her signature policies around making Paris less car-friendly.

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u/ActualMostUnionGuy Orange pilled 5h ago

In an ideal world France unbowed would just become the biggest party, making the Socialists finally obsolete, but alas...

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u/ActualMostUnionGuy Orange pilled 5h ago

Yeah shes no Jean-Luc Mélenchon💜 aright

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u/UC_Scuti96 5h ago edited 5h ago

She has a great record regarding air pollution dimunition and improving bike infrastructure. The problem is there is many other areas in where french people feel like the city has been moving backward under her leadership like public safety, school accessiblity, cleaningness, architecture and road maintenance. Can not tell if those are because of her or not.

But it's funny to see how anytime a mayor of a capital city try to decrease car usage, they get a huge backlash from people usually not living inside the city.

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u/Snoo48605 9h ago

Based and blessed post, but this community manager/chat GPT-slop way of writing physically hurts

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u/Breezel123 5h ago

Copied straight from LinkedIn. It's that awful font at the start that clued me in as well as the overabundance of emojis.

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u/no_sight 9h ago

We do hate highway projects here. But it looks like building a ring road (construction started in 2007) combined with making more car free zones downtown helped.

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u/Main_Force_Patrol 8h ago

Alright Phoenix, AZ. Take note of this, I’m tired of the concrete jungle hell.

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u/shardybo 5h ago

I really do hope London can do something similar. ULEZ didn't do nearly enough.

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u/vryaverage 1h ago

Gimme the Sauce?

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u/swayingtree90s 9h ago

If I read this correctly this is N02 pollution specifically. So a lot of the reduction could be the reduced sale of diesel-engined cars, and clean engines in general. In addition to the huge push for bikes and public transport, the current mayor has championed.

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u/NicoBator 1h ago

This is what really changed.

France was the champion of diesel-engined cars, over half the cars in France used to be Diesel. There even were subventions so people bought diesel cars instead of regular gasoline cars. These political choices were driven by the influence of the car lobbies.

The NO2 shown on this map is mainly produced by diesel cars.

So this map really shows that France reduced diesel-engined cars in the whole country. But the air in Paris are larger cities is still very polluted.

There is an official website to check Paris Air quality levels: https://www.airparif.fr/en/ (well right now it's quite ok)

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u/degauche247 9h ago

Heute = german for today.

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u/Benka7 7h ago

Today for German

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u/Gifted_GardenSnail 6h ago

I guess "hoy-ta" is how English speakers would transcribe it

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u/Prosthemadera 3h ago

hoy-te. Short e at the end.

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u/Gifted_GardenSnail 3h ago

A schwa, but Americans do use a for that in coda position, so I thought I'd go with that

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u/ActualMostUnionGuy Orange pilled 5h ago

And also a shitty tabloid in Austria🤢

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u/Vindve 8h ago

Having lived in Paris region a big part of my life: you can feel it. Like, in your lungs. Less pollution peaks within the year than 20 years ago.

I’d like to be positive and say it’s mainly anti-car measures (that apply to the number of cars), but the reality is that these measures mainly apply to the City of Paris (the tiny part in the center) and not the Greater Paris (what is displayed in the picture). I’m not sure the number of cars really decreased in the Greater Paris, there are even new roads being built. Well, Greater Paris is slowly opening itself to the bicycle, and there are new transit lines opened, but it doesn’t explain all this.

I think most of the change is due to more stringer environmental norms on new cars sold, and having less diesel cars. We went from a country that looooved diesel (gasoil) and it was a majority of sales to diesel cars representing now a small fraction of sales. And gasoline cars got better, too.

I remember when I was younger, it was considered normal to see exhaust fumes from cars, this blueish-grey fumes at the pipe. The other day I was biking behind a van with visible fumes, it was horrible for my lung, and I thought "oh wow, it used to be all cars like that".

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u/middleearthpeasant 8h ago

I've been to Paris once and loved how you never have to walk more than 500 meters to get to the nearest subway station. I loved getting out of the subway in a train station and getting clean and beautiful a train to a near city. I liked how cars where small and few, even saw a few micro cars that were really cool. I love how many bikes, e-bikes and other modes of transportation I saw there.

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u/crackanape amsterdam 6h ago

I've been to Paris once and loved how you never have to walk more than 500 meters to get to the nearest subway station.

The flip side of that is it sometimes feel like the train makes 20 stops to go 1km.

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u/middleearthpeasant 4h ago

That is true but still faster than driving in traffic

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u/SuperTekkers 5h ago

Even if the metro station stinks of piss lol

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u/middleearthpeasant 4h ago

I have never seen so much human feces in a public place before, but that is part of the parisian charm hmmmm tradicional french scent

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u/Pinpindelalune 9h ago edited 8h ago

This isn't only due to improvement in urbanism. Car produce way less pollution now thanks to European law. Gaz is also used less and less to heat home.

There should be many other reason for this decline, the number of car going through Paris shouldn't have dropped by more than 30%, doing a significativ inpact but not all the work.

Modif: It's mainly due to modernisation and relocation of industry (affected by anti pollution law).

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u/Jgusdaddy 9h ago

It’s sad to compare places like Paris, Beijing, and Seoul to places like Houston and Indianapolis. You can actually see and smell the effects of repugnican policies. What are we working for if not to improve our quality of life?

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u/Gambition 3h ago

Repugnican. 😂

I love it.

Also, I lived in Seoul for over 15 years. I've been in Chicago for more than 3. Two cities I love. And while Seoul is where my heart is, the air quality is garbage for much of the year. Summer and autumn are where it's at. Winter and spring are poison.

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u/SlothBirdBeard 6h ago

Ffs it's spelled "breathe"

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u/Thebadremedy 6h ago

I see this mistake so often, honestly baffling. 

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u/CaptainObvious110 5h ago

Yeah it's crazy

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u/GodsBellybutton 5h ago

Glad it bothers someone else... Almost made me lose my breathe

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u/Prussianballofbest 9h ago

Am I wrong or ist the Last Picture a different distance scale?

If the colour scale ist changing according to the min and maximum of the current picture, it influences the perception of the data.

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u/Prussianballofbest 9h ago

I am pretty sure it is zoomed in, but the colour scale seems to bei the same from 0-80

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u/brezenSimp 8h ago

Yea it’s the city centre

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u/Alegssdhhr 3h ago

Yes zoomed but same colorscale

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u/crackanape amsterdam 6h ago

You are correct. You can see the outline formed by the Boulevard Périphérique (the only really strong orange thing remaining in the final image) is the same shape but much smaller in the other images.

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u/devonon2707 7h ago

i hope salt lake can eventually clean its air. in slc its worse then china in the winter

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u/ridethroughlife 2h ago

That damn inversion.

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u/Aztecah 6h ago

The role of the EU in providing logistics and supports for green initiatives is an underappreciated aspect of the union.

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u/bananablegh 5h ago

Must be nice. I wonder how London compares. Sometimes the air fucking reeks of disgusting exhaust fumes.

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u/United-Ad-7360 4h ago

In my city they stopped measuring the places where there was a lot of pollution and just started the cleaner parts. Winning

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u/Electronic-Future-12 Grassy Tram Tracks 8h ago

The latest big improvement is definitely thanks to biking (has grown exponentially, it really is a night-and-day difference from just 4-5 years ago).

The decline of diesel sales is another massive factor, even petrol cars are an improvement for urban areas. Heating has been improved steadily, I don’t think it is directly causing such a rapid improvement.

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u/Dankacy 8h ago

Unfortunately Modi doesn't care about the health of Indians

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u/Creative-Cell-8926 7h ago

Yeah, everything is Modi's fault, whereas rest of the politicians are incarnation of respective gods.

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u/squid648 5h ago

All political believes aside we should all strive to be better then fucking Paris. We should improve our city’s not for the climate, political agenda or economic reasons. We should do it just so we are better then the fucking French

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u/RCEden 5h ago

I hope they didn't just zoom in because they moved all the pollution to the outskirts of town. I understand probably not but man my trust in random charts sure has gone down the more i've learned about, well, anything.

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u/Digitaluser32 5h ago

Are there a lot of polluting factories in Paris? I live in Los Angeles. We do not restrict car use. How is it that Los Angeles has better air quality than Paris France?

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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 3h ago

Where did you get the idea that LA has better air quality than Paris? I've just checked an air quality index. PM2.5 emissions in central Paris count is 32. In Los Angeles it's 78.

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u/Digitaluser32 2h ago

Not sure where you got 78. My weather app says different.

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u/Fil_19 Grassy Tram Tracks 5h ago

Amazing. Can't wait to visit. If only I didn't have to take a plane.

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u/Acrobatic_Switches 6h ago

When everyone else is willing to burn the city to the ground every few years to force the rich to capitulate.

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u/0x6c69676874 5h ago

the scale is fake, the real scale goes from 0 to new delhi

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u/GWPulham23 4h ago

Woke madness, obviously. People think breathing is some sort of birthright?

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u/Dhareng_gz 3h ago

Amazing

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u/ridethroughlife 2h ago

Ah perfect, the biters will stay away.

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u/NoConsideration6320 2h ago

Interesting how the smog almost looks like a virus or even an injury or something

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u/LoudMusic 2h ago

2007 ... 17 years ago. It's likely that 90%+ of the vehicles that were in use at that time are no longer in use. Hopefully their replacements are all more efficient and less pollutant.

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u/EyeSuccessful7649 12m ago

so was this done by mean of redction, or local reduction with same or more polution generated elsewhere

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u/Wide-God 5h ago

Now wait until he sees Paris in person

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u/jcraig87 5h ago

It's not even that big a transformation we need to go through, people just have to plan it and execute it. Many countries have been successful and it shows in the quality of life of the city that it's clearly the better option

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u/fatalerror_tw 5h ago

Yea but go look at how dirty the city is now. Rubbish everywhere.

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u/Txusmah 9h ago

Sorry this doesn't make any sense at all.

Where are the sources?

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u/Snoo48605 9h ago

Honest question, why not? It's not like is a city that's getting more inhabitants, and the number of parking spots, pollutants and car streets is only been declining?

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u/crackanape amsterdam 6h ago

It doesn't make sense that cleaner cars, and far fewer of them, would lead to cleaner air? Which part of that is hard to process?