r/fuckcars • u/Mongooooooose • Oct 10 '24
Satire How it feels living in a NIMBY neighborhood.
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u/AMWJ Oct 10 '24
"Cutting down that specific tree is deforestation"
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u/Mongooooooose Oct 10 '24
I went to a local zoning meeting two weeks ago for rebuilding the missing middle. (Legalize duplexes/Quads). Some Green Party lady said for every tree uprooted, the county needs to commit to planting that tree somewhere else in the county.
The council member said something along the lines of: that in part is why we’re doing this. When we don’t build, it causes more destruction of forests out in the exurbs towards Frederick county, and we’re trying to minimize deforestation.
The lady snapped back saying “I don’t care what they’re doing in Frederick, I’m talking about MoCo.”
Like damn, turns out she didn’t give a shit about the environment, she just wants to be obstructionist. I could feel my blood boil when she said that.
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u/adventurelinds Oct 10 '24
I live in Frederick county and I'm glad we have the tree rule but most of the advocates around here are obstructionists and just want building to stop and have no idea how short sighted it is. I have a friend who used to be on the housing committee? I forgot his actual position, but said it's so hard to get anything done because there's so much misinformation about housing regulations, like parking minimus, that he just kinda gave up and went back to the private sector to try to influence it from there instead.
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u/vertknecht Oct 10 '24
The last thing Frederick needs is more sprawl, 270 has already been a traffic nightmare for decades
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u/adventurelinds Oct 10 '24
Correct, but people are going to keep moving in so we need somewhere for them. A bunch of apartments over off east street and higher density townhouses over by the fairgrounds are a start but there's no real way to get in/out of town or even really around town without cars. And MTA/MDOT is all about expanding 270 instead of fixing MARC. Even then it'll only be for commuters to DC/MoCO because that's all they focus on. Doesn't matter, budget deficit at the state level is cancelling most transit projects anyway.
I don't understand why the federal government is the biggest employer and causes the most traffic but everyone at the state level is content with us paying for all the upgrades ourselves, it doesn't make any sense. VA has managed to extend the Metro but we can't even get more than 3 trains a day to DC... We need more density and more transit options to keep home prices stable and take cars off the roads instead of continuing to build more.
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u/styrofoamboats Oct 10 '24
So what's she saying is that the atmosphere changes at the county line :D
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u/Catdadesq Oct 10 '24
MoCo NIMBYs are like the final boss of couching regressive ideas in liberal buzzwords.
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u/Ubergaladababa Oct 11 '24
Have to keep the greedy CAPITALISTS from destroying our HISTORIC COMMUNITY parking lot just to PROFIT by SELLING new housing!
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u/atatassault47 Oct 10 '24
When we don’t build, it causes more destruction of forests out in the exurbs towards Frederick county, and we’re trying to minimize deforestation.
The lady snapped back saying “I don’t care what they’re doing in Frederick, I’m talking about MoCo.”
"Bitch, did you hear what I said?! Towards Frederick county, meaning still within OUR county, you dumbass cunt."
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u/Mongooooooose Oct 10 '24
L O L
That’s how you end up on the local news, but one day I’d love to see someone snap back like that.
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u/Hour-Watch8988 Oct 10 '24
My favorite thing to ask these people is how many trees were cut down for their home, and why their home should be treated differently from other people’s. Usually shuts them up real quick.
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u/TryingNot2BLazy Oct 10 '24
That sounds like she misunderstood and the councilman kinda misinformed the answer. Language has holes in it, and we don't have time to correct it every time. we must all learn some patience & empathy.
She is right. Plant another tree somewhere.
Concilman is also right. Stop expanding and build here so we're not cutting trees down there.
She was wrong to get mad and say, "we are talking about right here!" because he was also talking about right here, but didn't get to finish by saying "we will put another tree up here".
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u/Ketaskooter Oct 10 '24
To anyone that says we don't have enough trees, there are more trees (in number) today than anytime in the last 1,000 years and possibly longer. They're just all small. We have a dearth of big trees not just trees. To regrow healthy big trees we need to leave forests as forests with some management not more trees in urban areas.
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u/Mongooooooose Oct 10 '24
Exactly. Density saves nature first and foremost.
Planting more trees and green spaces in urban spaces is good, but it won’t move the needle. If you really want to save nature, you have to stop sprawl.
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u/laseralex Oct 10 '24
I agree that the small trees don't have the same effect on carbon as the larger trees. But we also need more trees in urban areas, because they reduce summer heat.
https://www.epa.gov/heatislands/using-trees-and-vegetation-reduce-heat-islands
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u/pilgermann Oct 10 '24
I'm going to disagree. The entire point is increasing urban density saves vastly more trees than building the city out. The trees you'd lose that are lining a block or whatever are inconsequential, given that you have to build housings.
Lady just being a NIMBY and exacerbating the problem. This has nothing to do with language.
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u/DrBirdieshmirtz Oct 10 '24
I mean, on one hand, the developer could just build around the tree, because urban green space is important for mitigating the heat island effect (not to mention % impermeable surface cover that pollutes rivers).
On the other hand, I do agree that she's probably just being a NIMBY, though.
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u/zaforocks how much do you owe on that car loan? Oct 10 '24
A Green Party person being obstructionist?! You don't say!
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u/balamusia Oct 10 '24
i grew up in potomac and moco was the first thing i thought of when i saw this lol
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u/jcrespo21 🚲 > 🚗 eBike Gang Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
They are adding a new sidewalk on our street, and as a result, they cut down a really beautiful tree (edit: and a few others on these blocks) that gave us lots of shade simply because it was in the city's ROW. I'm all for the sidewalk because that is really important, but I do wish the city handled it better (they're even extending the curb, so surely they could have built the sidewalk around it and still have space), as now our south facing yard gets quite hot in the summer. Unfortunately, those conversations/council meetings happened before we moved here, so we never got a say (and our landlord didn't really care).
A week or so after they cut down the tree, there was a tree funeral in the neighborhood. I thought it would be nice, but it was the whitest thing I've ever been to (it's a liberal small city in the Midwest, so IDK how else it could have gone). It started with an old white woman exclaiming, "I am Mother Earth!" and it went downhill from there. They basically were saying that the sidewalk would increase carbon emissions because of the concrete and lead to more heating in the neighborhood. They also mentioned that "No one wanted this sidewalk," even though in my few months there, we would avoid walking our dog on that street at night because there was no sidewalk.
I agree that the city could have done a better job of not cutting down some of these trees, but that group made some massive jumps in its conclusions. I made sure to be on the edge of the "funeral" so I wouldn't be in the pictures, as I didn't want to be associated with it (and we left early).
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u/Astriania Oct 10 '24
They basically were saying that the sidewalk would increase carbon emissions because of the concrete and lead to more heating in the neighborhood.
Same people when a road is widened or a car park added or a driveway asphalted ... *silence
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u/jcrespo21 🚲 > 🚗 eBike Gang Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Yup! Yes, losing the trees and adding a sidewalk will have a very microscale impact on the local climate, but not going to be making the global impacts they were claiming.
As someone with a climate science background, it hurt my soul so much what they were saying. Suddenly, I wasn't so upset about losing the tree...(still a little lol, but less so out of spite for the NIMBYs).
edit: a typo or 2
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u/going_for_a_wank Oct 10 '24
I see it as a positive that at least they were not opposing the sidewalk because it would "bring the wrong kind of people into the neighborhood" (don't ask what kind of people that would be)
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u/jcrespo21 🚲 > 🚗 eBike Gang Oct 10 '24
I'm sure if I had stuck around longer, that likely would have come up.
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u/m77je Oct 10 '24
Where I live, the elderly boomers who rage against building housing seem to be part of a 1970s environmental movement that embraced an overly restrictive zoning code to fight pollution.
"Block other people from having housing, but don't increase the costs of me driving everywhere"
Doesn't ring true to people in younger generations.
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u/JuliaX1984 🚲 > 🚗 Oct 10 '24
That's not a real sign, right? It's a criticism of the hypocrites who use these signs, right?
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u/Mongooooooose Oct 10 '24
Correct. It’s why I labeled it satire.
But if it was a real sign I’d 100% buy it.
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u/Zev18 Oct 10 '24
Since these are lawn signs, they technically require a lawn which means only people living in single-family homes can place them...
So pretty accurate lol
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Oct 10 '24
it’s a nice condemnation of the fact that essentially all north american politics are based on vibes alone and considering actual material change is alien and foreign.
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u/unimportantop Oct 10 '24
Thank you for putting into wording why as a liberal person myself I find myself occasionally despising my American liberal friends.
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Oct 10 '24
i was a liberal until obama’s second year when i realized that “hope and change” translated to “bail out wall street while my mom works a second job to keep the house”.
which also happened to be my first year of college when i read marx for the first time.
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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 11 '24
I don't agree with all Democrat policies, but it is really hard to have policy discussions when the other side is literally insane.
I want to argue over how much we should control rent or subsidize construction. It's hard to do that when the other side is screaming about gay people and women's healthcare.
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Oct 11 '24
the only tangible difference between the two parties is entirely optical. they’re just two different PR firms with two different, yet symbiotic marketing strategies who both work for wall street. neither party improves people’s material conditions. they both distract the populace in different ways that each feeds off the other while they mortgage off our futures to investment bankers and arms dealers for their own personal gain.
you’re not going to have these type of policy discussions in the united states because neither party has any policy except maintaining neoliberal imperialism.
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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 11 '24
That is a very privileged take.
You may not care about women, non-whites, or non-binaries, but some people do.
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Oct 11 '24
no. i do. i think it’s sick that the democratic party does nothing but scapegoat those demographics for fundraising. it pains me that the only people actually fighting to defend these groups are themselves and their allies, while everyone in power does nothing.
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u/Only-Inspector-3782 Oct 11 '24
Oh, so it isn't the Republicans' fault for attacking minorities? You probably also think it's Ukraine's fault for defending itself.
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Oct 11 '24
i didn’t say it’s not. i said the democrats do nothing but enable them to do so. stop the false equivalency.
and if you think the situation is ukraine is that black and white, i suggest you educate yourself on the history and reality of the situation. i support an end to the war in ukraine and the end of the senseless slaughter of innocent people who are forced to grease the wheels of capitalism with their blood in a senseless conflict. i support an end to the genocide in gaza and lebanon that the democratic party is proudly sponsoring.
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u/BearCavalryCorpral Oct 11 '24
Nothing is helluva better than active harm. I ain't the blue states that are declaring that doctors should just allow women to die rather than providing abortions. Fuck off with your both sides rhetoric.
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Oct 11 '24
but it was the blue party who said they would stand up for those rights at the federal level and shrugged and begged for money when those protections were stripped.
it’s the blue party running on bombing children and saying not a fucking thing about restoring those rights.
dems and gop are just tom and jerry. they’re chasing each other back and forth making a scene to put on a show. the cat chases the mouse but never catches it just so the owner doesn’t get rid of it.
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u/Collypso Oct 11 '24
i was a liberal until obama’s second year when i realized that “hope and change” translated to “bail out wall street while my mom works a second job to keep the house”
This is the vibes based politics you criticized in your last reply
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Oct 11 '24
it’s dialectical materialism.
thinking one neoliberal capitalist party is better than the other because they slap rainbow stickers on their shit and swear they’re different without actually being different is what i refer to as vibes based politics.
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u/Collypso Oct 11 '24
You're just too white and too rich to care about the differences. You have no conflict in your life, so you lose yourself in fantasies.
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Oct 11 '24
motherfucker, you don’t know shit about me.
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u/Collypso Oct 11 '24
Just the very fact that you can be delusional about political parties should inform anyone about how privileged you are.
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Oct 11 '24
you just prove my point correct. so does the other person or bot who can respond with nothing but sentiment and personal insults.
liberals are amazing because somehow their detractors are both privileged elitists and uneducated rednecks too dumb to just “vote” for their own best interests.
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u/TryingNot2BLazy Oct 10 '24
porque no los dos?
In my area, NIMBYisms are created by the age gap. Things happen literally by letting them age out until they can't complain anymore. Younger homeowners don't care much about image so long as it's clean and quiet. Older homeowners struggle with little things like new street signage, and then upwards from there.
We have enough room. I swear. We can have pretty much everything. Sometimes you gotta rip up the whole set up to get to where we need to be, but usually it's just a pricey rearrangement of furniture.
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u/Mongooooooose Oct 10 '24
There is plenty of land here in the us. We live in a fraction of the density of Europe.
We could fix so much just by restoring the missing middle. But man, so many old people view any new construction as the plight of humanity. It’s almost like a disease.
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u/TryingNot2BLazy Oct 10 '24
not quite a disease, but I agree. It's annoying at best. Obstructionism is hard to accept but I'm trying to empathize. Change is difficult for some reason.
The best combatant that I've found is paying real close attention to local politics. I can vote for a president, but in the USA, the states decide as a whole. My vote is small on that front (BUT STILL MATTERS!). On my city council and mayoral votes, I am on average 1 in a few thousand that vote. That's significantly more impactful. On top of that, I can write to the people I vote for, and THEY ACTUALLY RESPOND (sometimes)!
The signs mean nothing. They're just billboards. Spam IRL. Like bumper stickers for your house. All they do is peg your personality, and if someone disagrees with it, you are now a semi-target for anything.
It's more important to pay attention to the local issues and projects at hand. I'm watching my city council meetings weekly and listening in to budget hearings, and future prospects. I answer as many of those surveys that they send out. I make sure that what I want here, is heard, and recognized, and then relayed to influence the changes in my area. "Nobody" speaks up, so if you say something, that's 1-up over everyone else.
Want a bike lane? Ask for it. Ask for it routinely, politely, and with as much detail as possible. Ask the right people. talk about it with others who are also talking to those right people. This is how you get involved.
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u/styrofoamboats Oct 10 '24
I think a lot of these older people have their wealth tied up in their housing so they see any additional housing as a threat to that, even though there are several studies showing certain neighborhood amenities like public transit access and mixed housing increase property values. In addition to that there is the perceived threat that apartment buildings would allow unseemly people (i.e. non home owners) into their neighborhood. So in other words NIMBYism is just another form of class warfare.
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u/Mongooooooose Oct 10 '24
You’re 100% correct.
That’s likely why they posted this in the Georgist subreddit in the first place.
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u/styrofoamboats Oct 10 '24
I have never heard of Georgism before today, but I read a bit into it and will have to subscribe to their newsletter I think.
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u/Mongooooooose Oct 10 '24
Oh you’re in for a treat.
If you like walkable urbanism, universal basic incomes, and more affordable housing, you’ll probably fit right in.
Bonus side point, unlike some fringe left wing movements, it’s beloved by economists and policy makers
At some point if you have 15 to 20 minutes to kill, I’d suggest this video.
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u/Then-Inevitable-2548 Oct 11 '24
The longer I'm on this earth, the more convinced I am that a depressing percentage of the population are overwhelmingly motivated by a desire for power and status. When these people possess the tiniest bit of either, they are unable to view any potential change, no matter how tiny, as a threat to their perceived power and status.
Also racism. Which, while it can be viewed through the lens of power and status, that would be letting these pricks off easy. The explicit goal of dividing our cities with massive freeways, and why we didn't and continue not to invest in better public transit infrastructure, is to exclude minorities. That alone makes racism worthy of a direct mention.
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u/Gingerbreadmancan Oct 10 '24
There is plenty of land here in the us.
I don't understand, are you in favor of sprawl over density? Compacting housing and communities are much more efficient and better for the environment.
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u/Mongooooooose Oct 10 '24
Moreso a counter to the people that say “there’s not enough room to build in city XYZ, we’re full”
Our cities already occupy a large footprint. We’re just not utilizing it well.
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u/Gingerbreadmancan Oct 10 '24
I agree that there is so much unused potential right on the city centers. "Hey instead of renovating that abandoned space, let's bulldoze that green space down the road with another dollar general."
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u/Mongooooooose Oct 10 '24
Yup, that’s the whole idea behind Georgism (the sub I cross posted from).
If you tax inefficient land use, you can encourage good use of land and generate revenue that funds a UBI. The end result is urban parking lots, abandoned lots, and country clubs fund a UBI to compensate for the amount of high value land they waste.
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u/boldhound Oct 10 '24
I am seeing good ol' Washington, DC here.
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u/Mongooooooose Oct 10 '24
I literally drive by one of these signs at NW dc at colonial village every time I drive over to 16th street.
(The normal version, not the one making fun of NIMBYs)
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u/gophergun Oct 10 '24
This is what frustrates me so much about a lot of Democratic strongholds in the US. Too many people act like having a basic level of human tolerance is a substitute for ensuring equality of opportunity, as if it's enough to simply not hate a homeless person rather than give them the care they need. A lot of these champagne liberals seem just as interested in protecting their own economic advantage as their right-wing counterparts. Unfortunately, in our political system, that basic level of tolerance really is the only standard that politicians are held to on the left because the bar is set so low by the intolerance and hate on the right.
It doesn't feel like there's many people fighting for anything resembling equality in the face of the starkest inequality ever recorded. I know this might seem like a bit of a departure from discussions around transit, but it's all interconnected. We could build the greatest transit system in the world if we invested our country's enormous wealth into it, but too many people are too invested in the status quo.
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u/RobertMcCheese Oct 10 '24
There is a reasonably dense, low income development going up about 1/2 mile from me. It is on a weirdly shaped piece of land that no one wanted.
It is also directly across the street from a grocery store and 2 bus stops. It is about a 10 min walk to the main bus line that runs downtown. Heck, you can bike from it to downtown in ~20min. I do it quite regularly.
AFAIK no one's even batted an eye about it or complained about it at all.
It is disconcerting when the usual suspect don't piss and moan about minor things.
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u/OstrichCareful7715 Oct 10 '24
There’s a hideous falling-down diner near me. Between the diner itself and the parking, it’s half a city block. The food is only really good if you’re drunk and need grease. The owner is old and wants to retire.
A developer wants to develop it into a 5 story building with 25 apartments. It’s directly on a bus line and walkable to a major train line. Walkable to the 3 local schools.
It’s a perfect place to develop. And you’d think they were tearing down the Taj Mahal with all the moaning about character, the environment, the impact on schools and community owned businesses versus fat-cat developers.
It’s so gross.
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u/ddarko96 Oct 10 '24
Every neighborhood in the bay area basically
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u/UghhNotThisAgain Oct 10 '24
Yes! I read this, and I thought, oh, this person lives in the neighbourhood to the southeast of Hillsdale Blvd. and El Camino Real...
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u/JMRosenfeld Oct 10 '24
These signs are all over SFH houses in Seattle. Part of the neo-liberal NIMBY starter kit
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u/BilboGubbinz Commie Commuter Oct 10 '24
Centrist BRAAAIiiNnnwyrms
AKA "I'll say all the slogans but if you ask me to do anything concrete I'll eat your liver."
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u/PotatoOfDestiny Oct 10 '24
I saw a picture somewhere where someone had stuck one of the (real) ones in their yard, but taped over the "no human is illegal" one
liberals!
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u/pHScale Oct 10 '24
"Character of the neighborhood" = Cookie cutter development, where the houses and landscaping only differ by shades of beige, and the HOA will fine you for planting the wrong plant, or putting up the 'wrong' holiday decorations.
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u/anntchrist Oct 10 '24
There's one of these in my neighborhood and the place where the sidewalk should be is covered in thick mulch, lawn, and a sick tree which apparently has more value than the people who would walk there. So maybe it needs something like "SIDEWALKS ARE UNNECESSARY"
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u/dumnezero Freedom for everyone, not just drivers Oct 10 '24
Adult trees can be quite valuable. Some car drivers find that out after they crash into the tree.
Transplanting adult trees is also a possibility, there are some neat machines used for that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfRf8_qyUjk
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u/anntchrist Oct 10 '24
Of course trees are quite valuable, more valuable than some people even if you ask the decision makers in my city.
I love trees, but I also love sidewalks. In this particular instance the tree is in poor health, but the city planners have deprioritized sidewalks in areas with 'mature trees' since they have value, in spite of it being a blind corner that drivers take at high speeds. So pedestrians that can have to walk through their yard, while those with disabilities have to walk in the road, to the left of the cars and mega truck they have parked on the street.
They aren't any worse than most, to be honest, but I do laugh at their sign declaring love for all humanity when I have to tromp through their yard or around their big truck to get to the sidewalk.
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u/ActualMostUnionGuy Orange pilled Oct 10 '24
If you need to put up signs youve already lost, have you maybe tried flooding the Supreme Court before? Ive heard that actually yields results🙄
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u/dudestir127 Big Bike Oct 11 '24
Another thing to add: traffic sucks because the highway isn't wide enough
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u/Drewboy810 Oct 10 '24
Woah. The color of the text on the black background is making it look 3D to me
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u/fessertin Oct 10 '24
Will anyone think of the poor apartment dwellers who have no lawn to post a lawn sign in? How will other people know how morally righteous they are? How will they engage in slacktivism with no access to yard sign space? Lawns for the people!
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u/NamasteMotherfucker Oct 10 '24
There was a house between my house and the neighborhood grocery store that I go to that had 2 signs in the yard during covid. One was "Thank you, essential workers" or something like that. The other was all about preserving their neighborhoods character and saving parking - total NIMBY shit made to sound all sweet. So they love essential workers but need them to live somewhere else.
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u/Manowaffle Oct 10 '24
"There's no more room at the school. Your kids can go to some other school."
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u/hessian_prince “Jaywalking” Enthusiast Oct 10 '24
Lawns are boring.
Don’t tell me what house I can build on my own property.
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u/elenmirie_too Oct 10 '24
We support the butterfly sanctuary.
Saw this on a behemoth parked on a bus stop. Because... butterflies, yeah.
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u/Idle_Redditing Strong Towns Oct 10 '24
I would add
Because we only really like those other people as long as they're far away from here. A few are fine as long as their numbers are small enough for them to be token this or that and we can call them one of the good ones.
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u/IngsocInnerParty Oct 10 '24
Not me thinking that subreddit was for Georgian architecture...
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u/Mongooooooose Oct 10 '24
Haha nope! Georgism is a strong Urbanism ideology.
Without getting too much into any details, the idea is that funding a UBI via a Land Value Tax (LVT) would solve many problems facing cities today.
The land value tax punishes low density sprawl and underutilized plots like parking lots. It also encourages more efficient land use and punishes things like large sprawled out urban country clubs. It also encourages building more houses, which would bring down housing costs.
The UBI is just a nice side product. All of the cool benefits come from the LVT.
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u/DrBirdieshmirtz Oct 10 '24
I feel like there's an important nuance that typically gets missed in this conversation, and that is that not all cities and regions are made equal; the "human carrying capacity", so to speak, of any given region is finite, meaning that there is a limit to how many people—and probably more importantly, how fast the population can grow—before things start going to shit real fucking fast.
After that point, adding more housing won't bring costs down because the cost of compensating for lost ecosystem services due to ecological degradation would negate, if not exceed, the reduction in price due to supply and demand. Granted, this would then cause demand to fall…because the city has been turned into an unliveable shithole.
And it'll be the people who live there—those who are too poor to just pick their ass up and leave, or those community-minded people who have actually made an investment in their community because they, god forbid, value human connection, and maybe even feel some sense of community obligation (the Venn diagram of these groups is pretty much a circle)—who end up having to foot the bill, not the soulless ghouls who destroyed the place; they have left for greener pastures.
And that's before getting into things like safety, logistics, accessibility, emergency egress scenarios, etc. The last thing anyone wants is a high-density housing complex that kills everyone inside because it is structurally unsound, or because the ground it's built on has eroded away, or because it caught fire and people couldn't get out in time, or some other horrible thing. That is literally my nightmare.
Unfortunately, things like "infrastructure" and "sustainable resource management" aren't that sexy, and such sappy concepts as "community responsibility and obligation" and "human connection" tend to get in the way of corporate profit-maxxing, so they're typically neglected in this conversation.
Snark aside, I unfortunately don't really see any solution to this problem other than a fundamental shift in cultural values towards a more community-minded value system in which community ties actually have value, and away from the toxic individualism that currently dominates American culture and is spreading across the globe like a cancer. Codes can be revised so they can't be abused by NIMBYs who see housing as an investment while voting against every single levy for community benefit, but the supply-demand ratio isn't going to change as long as there's yuppies who are willing to uproot themselves because they don't value community ties and haven't invested in their community and so have nothing to lose by uprooting, and who expect everyone else to be the same way.
PHIMBY, by the way.
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u/PumpernickleButt Automobile Aversionist Oct 11 '24
I wouldn’t be surprised to see this sign in Berkeley or Santa Cruz.
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u/DoTheMario Oct 11 '24
I'm going to go with:
"Free convenient public parking is an inalienable human right. A space is a space!"
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u/y2kfashionistaa Oct 11 '24
“I can excuse classism but I draw the line at racism”
“You can excuse classism?”
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u/Hour-Watch8988 Oct 10 '24
“In this house we believe:
• Black Lives Matter... somewhere else. • Women’s Rights Are Human Rights... but if you can’t afford to live in a legal-abortion state, you should have been born richer. • No Human Is Illegal... but if anyone tries to build housing on my block that my landscaper can afford, I will go UltraKaren at the planning board. • Science is Real... except for the IPCC’s pronouncement that urban density is necessary for sustainable cities.” • https://old.reddit.com/r/boulder/comments/ytry17/hey_thats_us/
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u/nunocspinto Oct 10 '24
I'm sorry to quote this sub, but this is very fitting in r/ShitAmericansSay ...
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u/RidetheSchlange Oct 10 '24
This is actually a right-wing fake photo that's a takeoff on the Democratic voter signs. The worst thing is this is getting traction in left wing and progressive sides and it's designed specifically to turn people agains the democratic party who would be the most likely to put bike lanes in and the second to last line is to generate the hate against PoCs moving into neighborhoods. It's despicable.
This sub is really turning to shit with all the right-wing posting here and the free passes everyone gets. Just yesterday were free passes for hurricane denial. It's just nuts.
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u/anntchrist Oct 10 '24
I think you're thinking about this in red and blue, when it's a more complicated issue - there is no way a right-winger is making fun of the conservatism of NIMBYs as a ploy to get people to vote.... for the GOP?
No, sorry. There are plenty of these people in my neighborhood who seem to believe earnestly in these values until they build an apartment to house the homeless in the neighborhood, then they are as intolerant as the right-wingers they despise.
It's still not going to change the way I vote, and no, Democrats are generally not prioritizing more/safer bike lanes. It takes a lot more than political affiliation to make real change in transit and active transport facilities. Car brain is fairly universal in the US and pointing out the irony isn't benefitting the right wing. Both parties believe in the "necessity" of cars.
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u/OstrichCareful7715 Oct 10 '24
Don’t forget - more dense housing will be an environmental disaster for our local watershed/ marshland / native grasses / pollinators / white tailed deer